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I discovered I can buy LemiShine at Target now that it's a superstore.
Shortly after I purchased my first package of LS, a light bulb went
off in my head: if vinegar makes my hair shine and people use it as a
cleaning agent, why wouldn't it work on dishes like LemiShine does? I
tried it and voilà, it works! I have no idea how much I add because I
don't have two receptacles for detergent, so I just splash it in - but
it's not more than a tablespoon or two.

PS: My city water is relatively mineral free, so if you decide to try
it you may need to use more.

HTH

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sf wrote:
>
> I discovered I can buy LemiShine at Target now that it's a superstore.
> Shortly after I purchased my first package of LS, a light bulb went
> off in my head: if vinegar makes my hair shine and people use it as a
> cleaning agent, why wouldn't it work on dishes like LemiShine does? I
> tried it and voilà, it works! I have no idea how much I add because I
> don't have two receptacles for detergent, so I just splash it in - but
> it's not more than a tablespoon or two.
>
> PS: My city water is relatively mineral free, so if you decide to try
> it you may need to use more.

Sounds like your basic acid wash. If you're using it in conjunction with
a regular dishwasher detergent it may be canceling out some of the
effect since dishwasher detergent is normally quite basic (ph).

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sf wrote:
> I discovered I can buy LemiShine at Target now that it's a superstore.
> Shortly after I purchased my first package of LS, a light bulb went
> off in my head: if vinegar makes my hair shine and people use it as a
> cleaning agent, why wouldn't it work on dishes like LemiShine does? I
> tried it and voilà, it works! I have no idea how much I add because I
> don't have two receptacles for detergent, so I just splash it in - but
> it's not more than a tablespoon or two.
>
> PS: My city water is relatively mineral free, so if you decide to try
> it you may need to use more.
>
> HTH
>

Similarly, I have decided to add some citric acid to my dispenser,
because that is essentially what LemiShine is. I have hard water,
and that takes care of the spots--or has thus far. Unfortunately,
it does NOT take care of the internal issue. I am just using my
dishwasher when I create a lot of dirty dishes.

--
Jean B.

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Sqwertz wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>> I discovered I can buy LemiShine at Target now that it's a superstore.
>>> Shortly after I purchased my first package of LS, a light bulb went
>>> off in my head: if vinegar makes my hair shine and people use it as a
>>> cleaning agent, why wouldn't it work on dishes like LemiShine does? I
>>> tried it and voilà, it works! I have no idea how much I add because I
>>> don't have two receptacles for detergent, so I just splash it in - but
>>> it's not more than a tablespoon or two.
>>>
>>> PS: My city water is relatively mineral free, so if you decide to try
>>> it you may need to use more.
>
> Gee, it's the same thing that's been said here a hundred times in
> threads she even participated in. And then she "discovers" it as if
> it was her own bright idea.
>
> Citric acid works better, but acetic acid will also work just fine.
>
> -sw

Should have read on...

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Jean B.

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"Jean B." wrote in message ...

>
> HTH
>

Similarly, I have decided to add some citric acid to my dispenser,
because that is essentially what LemiShine is. I have hard water,
and that takes care of the spots--or has thus far. Unfortunately,
it does NOT take care of the internal issue. I am just using my
dishwasher when I create a lot of dirty dishes.

--
Jean B.



The last time this was discussed here someone said the dishwashing detergent
makers were working on the problem. I was wondering if it was safe to quit
buying lemishine?

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On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 08:03:35 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > I discovered I can buy LemiShine at Target now that it's a superstore.
> > Shortly after I purchased my first package of LS, a light bulb went
> > off in my head: if vinegar makes my hair shine and people use it as a
> > cleaning agent, why wouldn't it work on dishes like LemiShine does? I
> > tried it and voilà, it works! I have no idea how much I add because I
> > don't have two receptacles for detergent, so I just splash it in - but
> > it's not more than a tablespoon or two.
> >
> > PS: My city water is relatively mineral free, so if you decide to try
> > it you may need to use more.
>
> Sounds like your basic acid wash.

That's the point. LemiShine is lemon-like, lemon is acid.

> If you're using it in conjunction with
> a regular dishwasher detergent it may be canceling out some of the
> effect since dishwasher detergent is normally quite basic (ph).

Glasses don't have that milky look they get without it.

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On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:11:38 -0500, "Phyllis Stone"
> wrote:

> I was wondering if it was safe to quit buying lemishine?

No it's not. I was finally fed up enough only recently to start using
it.


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sf wrote:
>
> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 08:03:35 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > I discovered I can buy LemiShine at Target now that it's a superstore.
> > > Shortly after I purchased my first package of LS, a light bulb went
> > > off in my head: if vinegar makes my hair shine and people use it as a
> > > cleaning agent, why wouldn't it work on dishes like LemiShine does? I
> > > tried it and voilà, it works! I have no idea how much I add because I
> > > don't have two receptacles for detergent, so I just splash it in - but
> > > it's not more than a tablespoon or two.
> > >
> > > PS: My city water is relatively mineral free, so if you decide to try
> > > it you may need to use more.
> >
> > Sounds like your basic acid wash.
>
> That's the point. LemiShine is lemon-like, lemon is acid.
>
> > If you're using it in conjunction with
> > a regular dishwasher detergent it may be canceling out some of the
> > effect since dishwasher detergent is normally quite basic (ph).
>
> Glasses don't have that milky look they get without it.

The "milky" look is called "etching" and is caused by the strong basic
(ph) dishwasher detergent dissolving some of the glass, typically when
the water source is also basic (ph). It is not at all related to
spotting which is deposits of the disolved minerals in the water where
the water droplets evaporate. Adding an acid with neutralize some of the
dishwasher detergent to prevent etching, but it will also negate some of
the detergent action.

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On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:10:50 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>sf wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 08:03:35 -0500, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > sf wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I discovered I can buy LemiShine at Target now that it's a superstore.
>> > > Shortly after I purchased my first package of LS, a light bulb went
>> > > off in my head: if vinegar makes my hair shine and people use it as a
>> > > cleaning agent, why wouldn't it work on dishes like LemiShine does? I
>> > > tried it and voilà, it works! I have no idea how much I add because I
>> > > don't have two receptacles for detergent, so I just splash it in - but
>> > > it's not more than a tablespoon or two.
>> > >
>> > > PS: My city water is relatively mineral free, so if you decide to try
>> > > it you may need to use more.
>> >
>> > Sounds like your basic acid wash.
>>
>> That's the point. LemiShine is lemon-like, lemon is acid.
>>
>> > If you're using it in conjunction with
>> > a regular dishwasher detergent it may be canceling out some of the
>> > effect since dishwasher detergent is normally quite basic (ph).
>>
>> Glasses don't have that milky look they get without it.
>
>The "milky" look is called "etching" and is caused by the strong basic
>(ph) dishwasher detergent dissolving some of the glass, typically when
>the water source is also basic (ph). It is not at all related to
>spotting which is deposits of the disolved minerals in the water where
>the water droplets evaporate. Adding an acid with neutralize some of the
>dishwasher detergent to prevent etching, but it will also negate some of
>the detergent action.

With etching the only solution is not to place ones good glassware in
a dishwasher.

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On Jul 1, 11:19*am, sf > wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:11:38 -0500, "Phyllis Stone"
>
> > wrote:
> > I was wondering if it was safe to quit buying lemishine?
>
> No it's not. *I was finally fed up enough only recently to start using
> it.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

I use Cascade Complete. Works great for me.

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On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:29:46 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> On Jul 1, 11:19*am, sf > wrote:
> > On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:11:38 -0500, "Phyllis Stone"
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > I was wondering if it was safe to quit buying lemishine?
> >
> > No it's not. *I was finally fed up enough only recently to start using
> > it.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
>
> I use Cascade Complete. Works great for me.

I looked at some Cascade that had been recommended here, but it was
only available in those premeasured tablets and I refuse to use
anything that comes that way.

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sf wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:29:46 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
>> On Jul 1, 11:19 am, sf > wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:11:38 -0500, "Phyllis Stone"
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>> I was wondering if it was safe to quit buying lemishine?
>>> No it's not. I was finally fed up enough only recently to start using
>>> it.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
>> I use Cascade Complete. Works great for me.
>
> I looked at some Cascade that had been recommended here, but it was
> only available in those premeasured tablets and I refuse to use
> anything that comes that way.
>
Speaking o' such... I have read that the tablets in the
supposedly dissolvable packaging is quite problematic. I used to
think that gels would be best, because there is nothing to
dissolve, but I gather loose powder is the best. I use Finish and
add the citric acid. I don't know that the citric acid would be
necessary everywhere, but the water at the new house is hard.

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On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 10:31:31 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

> I gather loose powder is the best.

I haven't done any reading, but I can see them not dissolving
completely in my mind's eye. My main objection to them is that
they're a way for the manufacturer to sell more product because you're
forced to use it faster since you can't control the amount.

> I use Finish and
> add the citric acid. I don't know that the citric acid would be
> necessary everywhere, but the water at the new house is hard.

How much citric acid do you add to a load of dishes? I've never seen
it in bulk, but I will be on the lookout now that someone has
mentioned that's a possibility. Maybe once the bulk bin grocers clue
in that people are using citric acid in their dishwashers as a
detergent supplement, it will be found more commonly.

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"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
> On Jul 1, 11:19 am, sf > wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 11:11:38 -0500, "Phyllis Stone"
>>
>> > wrote:
>> > I was wondering if it was safe to quit buying lemishine?
>>
>> No it's not. I was finally fed up enough only recently to start using
>> it.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
>
> I use Cascade Complete. Works great for me.

That's what I have right now and I'm getting a white film on the plastics
even with a rinse agent.

Ms P

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sf wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jul 2011 10:31:31 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> I gather loose powder is the best.
>
> I haven't done any reading, but I can see them not dissolving
> completely in my mind's eye. My main objection to them is that
> they're a way for the manufacturer to sell more product because you're
> forced to use it faster since you can't control the amount.
>
>> I use Finish and
>> add the citric acid. I don't know that the citric acid would be
>> necessary everywhere, but the water at the new house is hard.
>
> How much citric acid do you add to a load of dishes? I've never seen
> it in bulk, but I will be on the lookout now that someone has
> mentioned that's a possibility. Maybe once the bulk bin grocers clue
> in that people are using citric acid in their dishwashers as a
> detergent supplement, it will be found more commonly.
>
I get mine at an Indian grocery store, merely because I noticed
bags of it there. I don't measure it. Maybe a tablespoon or so.

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