"Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/26/2011 1:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> What? You don't believe that I am fat? Why in the world would I lie
>> about
>> that? Does this look thin?
>>
>> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...bove/jtday.jpg
>>
>> Granted that photo is at least a year old. My hair is shorter and my
>> glasses are now purple. But my weight has not changed. In fact I've
>> mostly
>> been this same weight since before I got married some 16 years ago. I
>> did
>> gain a little towards the end of my pregnancy and then oddly a little
>> more
>> after that, but I also had a thyroid problem.
>>
>> I have seen many a dietician. I am following the diet I was given. I
>> should be losing about a pound a week. I am not. But I am not gaining.
>
> My best advice, is to look at your diet and see what could be causing the
> problem. Most people can lose weight by removing sugar and flour from
> their diet. Exercise is good for you, but a personal trainer told me,
> that 85% of my weight loss would come from diet alone. Exercise is good
> for your heart and lungs, your arteries, your muscles and flexibility. It
> also improves the mind. I believe exercise is the key to having a healthy
> body, but to lose weight, you must start with your diet. I wish you the
> best of luck.

I'm diabetic. Precious little sugar in my diet and not much flour either.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:37:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm a fat person
>> >
>> > I don't belive you.
>>
>> What? You don't believe that I am fat? Why in the world would I lie
>> about
>> that? Does this look thin?
>>
>> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...bove/jtday.jpg
>>
>> Granted that photo is at least a year old. My hair is shorter and my
>> glasses are now purple. But my weight has not changed. In fact I've
>> mostly
>> been this same weight since before I got married some 16 years ago. I
>> did
>> gain a little towards the end of my pregnancy and then oddly a little
>> more
>> after that, but I also had a thyroid problem.
>>
>> I have seen many a dietician. I am following the diet I was given. I
>> should be losing about a pound a week. I am not. But I am not gaining.
>
> Looks to be about, what, 250 lbs.? At least it's not a deadly weight.
> :-) And you are pretty.

Nope. Not nearly that heavy. Because of the gastroparesis all of my weight
it carried in my stomach. My legs are quite thin. Arms normal size.
>
> Do you do any exercise? That's my main downfall and I'm also
> hypothyroid. I don't do enough cardio. When I go back to night shift
> (likely within a month) I plan to habitually start walking again in the
> mornings when it's cool. My border collie should enjoy that. I'll take
> one of the three dogs with me and take turns with them.

Very little. I'm disabled and the exercise I was doing was raising my blood
sugar so the Dr. told me to stop doing it. I walk at large stores with the
aid of a cart to maintain my balance. That's about all I can do.
>
> Just plain walking is really good for you if it's steady and for
> distance and time.

I can't walk very far or very fast. Neuropathy in my feet and legs. Also
Fibromyalgia and Venous Insufficiency. If I have the shopping cart I can
make it all the way around the store. Without it I have severe trouble
walking very far at all. Have to sit down and rest. My legs get too weak.
>
> Play with your diet within your comfort zone and find out what works for
> you. Some dieticians are full of shit. Study sports nutrition
> (especially body building nutrition with a focus on pre-competition
> diets) then go from there.

My diet is very limited due to medical problems. There is no playing with
it. I can eat what I can eat and I can't eat some things at all.
>
> Good luck! :-) It's a total bitch having a thyroid issue. Seems to
> short circuit most diets that'd work for "normal" people.

No thyroid problem any more. I eliminated that with diet.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:29:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.

Actually, it isn't. Any body movement that burns calories is exercise.
Unless you are confined to a bed and unable to move any part of your
body, you can exercise. Perhaps I can help you learn how to exercise
in your present condition. What's the nature of your disability?

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:48:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Omelet" > wrote in message
>news
>> In article >,
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:37:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I'm a fat person
>>> >
>>> > I don't belive you.
>>>
>>> What? You don't believe that I am fat? Why in the world would I lie
>>> about
>>> that? Does this look thin?
>>>
>>> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...bove/jtday.jpg
>>>
>>> Granted that photo is at least a year old. My hair is shorter and my
>>> glasses are now purple. But my weight has not changed. In fact I've
>>> mostly
>>> been this same weight since before I got married some 16 years ago. I
>>> did
>>> gain a little towards the end of my pregnancy and then oddly a little
>>> more
>>> after that, but I also had a thyroid problem.
>>>
>>> I have seen many a dietician. I am following the diet I was given. I
>>> should be losing about a pound a week. I am not. But I am not gaining.
>>
>> Looks to be about, what, 250 lbs.? At least it's not a deadly weight.
>> :-) And you are pretty.
>
>Nope. Not nearly that heavy. Because of the gastroparesis all of my weight
>it carried in my stomach. My legs are quite thin. Arms normal size.
>>
>> Do you do any exercise? That's my main downfall and I'm also
>> hypothyroid. I don't do enough cardio. When I go back to night shift
>> (likely within a month) I plan to habitually start walking again in the
>> mornings when it's cool. My border collie should enjoy that. I'll take
>> one of the three dogs with me and take turns with them.
>
>Very little. I'm disabled and the exercise I was doing was raising my blood
>sugar so the Dr. told me to stop doing it. I walk at large stores with the
>aid of a cart to maintain my balance. That's about all I can do.
>>
>> Just plain walking is really good for you if it's steady and for
>> distance and time.
>
>I can't walk very far or very fast. Neuropathy in my feet and legs. Also
>Fibromyalgia and Venous Insufficiency. If I have the shopping cart I can
>make it all the way around the store. Without it I have severe trouble
>walking very far at all. Have to sit down and rest. My legs get too weak.
>>
>> Play with your diet within your comfort zone and find out what works for
>> you. Some dieticians are full of shit. Study sports nutrition
>> (especially body building nutrition with a focus on pre-competition
>> diets) then go from there.
>
>My diet is very limited due to medical problems. There is no playing with
>it. I can eat what I can eat and I can't eat some things at all.
>>
>> Good luck! :-) It's a total bitch having a thyroid issue. Seems to
>> short circuit most diets that'd work for "normal" people.
>
>No thyroid problem any more. I eliminated that with diet.

Exercise raised your blood sugar? Exercise is great for lowering
glucose because glucose is a rapidly metabolized form of energy, and
when you exercise your body needs energy quickly. More often than not
exercise will lower glucose, but there are certain circumstances under
which blood glucose (BG) can actually increase from exercise. Blood
glucose can rise most commonly if your BG is too high when you start
exercising or if you exercise very strenuously. Both of these rises
are caused by the same reason, a deficit in necessary insulin to fund
the activity. Both can be compensated for. BG Too High: BG being too
high always means that there is not enough insulin available to bring
the BG down to where it should be. Whether T1 or T2, insufficient
effective insulin can cause highs and exacerbate highs during
exercise. When you exercise muscles need energy and the quickest form
of energy is glucose. Muscles will increase their sensitivity
temporarily during exercise so that the same amount of insulin can
bring more glucose into muscle cells so that they can work. However,
if there is insufficient insulin the muscles will not be able to
receive enough glucose from the blood, even if there is more than
enough glucose in the blood. As a result, the muscles send a signal
that they need more energy, which the body responds to by releasing
more glucose. However, since there is still not enough insulin, BG
rises and the muscles continue to send the signal for more energy.
This is why if your BG is high before exercising, exercise can drive
your BG up rather than down, the reason is that there is not enough
insulin. Exercise Strenuously: The same reasons as above are the
reasons why very strenuous exercise causes an increase rather than a
decrease in BG. During strenuous exercise the muscles send a signal
for more energy, which the body responds to by releasing more glucose.
Without sufficient insulin, very hard exercise and sometimes even
novel exercise will cause a rise in BG. At rest, the body uses about
60% of its energy as fat and 40% as glucose. The harder you work, the
less fat is used and the more glucose is used until you reach a state
of anaerobic activity (weight lifting, fast sprinting) which uses 100%
glucose. It is counterintuitive, but the harder you exercise the more
insulin your body needs to deal with the increased amount of glucose
being released for energy. Often by exercising at a less strenuous
pace, can cause BG to decrease with exercise again. If your doctor
didn't suggest a less strenuous exercise for you to help control your
blood sugar, then you need to find a better doctor. If you've ignored
your doctors advice and stopped doing any exercise at all, then you
get what you deserve when you die earlier than necessary. Some people
are happy to just go ahead and die instead of working to live. If
you're one of those, then have a happy death. If you want to live,
then start doing what you can to improve your life.

"James Post" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:29:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.
>
> Actually, it isn't. Any body movement that burns calories is exercise.
> Unless you are confined to a bed and unable to move any part of your
> body, you can exercise. Perhaps I can help you learn how to exercise
> in your present condition. What's the nature of your disability?

As I said in my other post, Fibromyalgia, Venous Insufficiency and
Neuropathy from diabetes. That's nerve damage. Also psoriatic arthritis.

Any kind of foot and leg exercise is out of the question. I used to use leg
weights but that puts pressure on the bad veins and causes me trouble.
Using the dumbbells caused my blood sugar to sky rocket so my Dr. told me to
stop doing that. Yoga and Pilates cause my muscles to cramp as does
calisthenics. Even rocking in a rocking chair caused my muscles to cramp.
The rheumatologist said I don't have muscles. I have iron. They get that
hard and tight.

"James Post" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:48:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Omelet" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> In article >,
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:37:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I'm a fat person
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't belive you.
>>>>
>>>> What? You don't believe that I am fat? Why in the world would I lie
>>>> about
>>>> that? Does this look thin?
>>>>
>>>> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...bove/jtday.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Granted that photo is at least a year old. My hair is shorter and my
>>>> glasses are now purple. But my weight has not changed. In fact I've
>>>> mostly
>>>> been this same weight since before I got married some 16 years ago. I
>>>> did
>>>> gain a little towards the end of my pregnancy and then oddly a little
>>>> more
>>>> after that, but I also had a thyroid problem.
>>>>
>>>> I have seen many a dietician. I am following the diet I was given. I
>>>> should be losing about a pound a week. I am not. But I am not
>>>> gaining.
>>>
>>> Looks to be about, what, 250 lbs.? At least it's not a deadly weight.
>>> :-) And you are pretty.
>>
>>Nope. Not nearly that heavy. Because of the gastroparesis all of my
>>weight
>>it carried in my stomach. My legs are quite thin. Arms normal size.
>>>
>>> Do you do any exercise? That's my main downfall and I'm also
>>> hypothyroid. I don't do enough cardio. When I go back to night shift
>>> (likely within a month) I plan to habitually start walking again in the
>>> mornings when it's cool. My border collie should enjoy that. I'll take
>>> one of the three dogs with me and take turns with them.
>>
>>Very little. I'm disabled and the exercise I was doing was raising my
>>blood
>>sugar so the Dr. told me to stop doing it. I walk at large stores with
>>the
>>aid of a cart to maintain my balance. That's about all I can do.
>>>
>>> Just plain walking is really good for you if it's steady and for
>>> distance and time.
>>
>>I can't walk very far or very fast. Neuropathy in my feet and legs. Also
>>Fibromyalgia and Venous Insufficiency. If I have the shopping cart I can
>>make it all the way around the store. Without it I have severe trouble
>>walking very far at all. Have to sit down and rest. My legs get too
>>weak.
>>>
>>> Play with your diet within your comfort zone and find out what works for
>>> you. Some dieticians are full of shit. Study sports nutrition
>>> (especially body building nutrition with a focus on pre-competition
>>> diets) then go from there.
>>
>>My diet is very limited due to medical problems. There is no playing with
>>it. I can eat what I can eat and I can't eat some things at all.
>>>
>>> Good luck! :-) It's a total bitch having a thyroid issue. Seems to
>>> short circuit most diets that'd work for "normal" people.
>>
>>No thyroid problem any more. I eliminated that with diet.
>
> Exercise raised your blood sugar? Exercise is great for lowering
> glucose because glucose is a rapidly metabolized form of energy, and
> when you exercise your body needs energy quickly. More often than not
> exercise will lower glucose, but there are certain circumstances under
> which blood glucose (BG) can actually increase from exercise. Blood
> glucose can rise most commonly if your BG is too high when you start
> exercising or if you exercise very strenuously. Both of these rises
> are caused by the same reason, a deficit in necessary insulin to fund
> the activity. Both can be compensated for. BG Too High: BG being too
> high always means that there is not enough insulin available to bring
> the BG down to where it should be. Whether T1 or T2, insufficient
> effective insulin can cause highs and exacerbate highs during
> exercise. When you exercise muscles need energy and the quickest form
> of energy is glucose. Muscles will increase their sensitivity
> temporarily during exercise so that the same amount of insulin can
> bring more glucose into muscle cells so that they can work. However,
> if there is insufficient insulin the muscles will not be able to
> receive enough glucose from the blood, even if there is more than
> enough glucose in the blood. As a result, the muscles send a signal
> that they need more energy, which the body responds to by releasing
> more glucose. However, since there is still not enough insulin, BG
> rises and the muscles continue to send the signal for more energy.
> This is why if your BG is high before exercising, exercise can drive
> your BG up rather than down, the reason is that there is not enough
> insulin. Exercise Strenuously: The same reasons as above are the
> reasons why very strenuous exercise causes an increase rather than a
> decrease in BG. During strenuous exercise the muscles send a signal
> for more energy, which the body responds to by releasing more glucose.
> Without sufficient insulin, very hard exercise and sometimes even
> novel exercise will cause a rise in BG. At rest, the body uses about
> 60% of its energy as fat and 40% as glucose. The harder you work, the
> less fat is used and the more glucose is used until you reach a state
> of anaerobic activity (weight lifting, fast sprinting) which uses 100%
> glucose. It is counterintuitive, but the harder you exercise the more
> insulin your body needs to deal with the increased amount of glucose
> being released for energy. Often by exercising at a less strenuous
> pace, can cause BG to decrease with exercise again. If your doctor
> didn't suggest a less strenuous exercise for you to help control your
> blood sugar, then you need to find a better doctor. If you've ignored
> your doctors advice and stopped doing any exercise at all, then you
> get what you deserve when you die earlier than necessary. Some people
> are happy to just go ahead and die instead of working to live. If
> you're one of those, then have a happy death. If you want to live,
> then start doing what you can to improve your life.

It's a well known fact that exercise usually raises BG and then if you have
a normal system (which I do not) can lower it. I have gastroparesis. So
when my BG goes up, it stays up. My Endo. is highly respected and is the
best one in this area.

As for the insulin, my body produces waaaaay too much of it. I have been
tested. But I have extreme insulin resistance. Therefore I have to shoot
large amounts of three kinds plus I take meds.

You don't know what you're talking about. I don't want your exercise
advice.

"Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.

Relatively more difficult, that's true. But it isn't impossible. There's
always some form of exercise possible to anyone who isn't a quadroplegic. I
have days when I can do this or that, other days that I can't. I can never
support myself on one arm, but usually can do walking, biking, whereas my
sister can do only recumbant biking. Seek and you will find.

Giusi wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>> Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.
>
> Relatively more difficult, that's true. But it isn't impossible. There's
> always some form of exercise possible to anyone who isn't a quadroplegic. I
> have days when I can do this or that, other days that I can't. I can never
> support myself on one arm, but usually can do walking, biking, whereas my
> sister can do only recumbant biking. Seek and you will find.

oh but Guisi, ya gotta *wanna*, y'know?
I think it"s far easier for Julie Bove to find excuses to avoid it.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Giusi" > wrote:
>
>> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>
>> > Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.
>>
>> Relatively more difficult, that's true. But it isn't impossible.
>> There's
>> always some form of exercise possible to anyone who isn't a quadroplegic.
>> I
>> have days when I can do this or that, other days that I can't. I can
>> never
>> support myself on one arm, but usually can do walking, biking, whereas my
>> sister can do only recumbant biking. Seek and you will find.
>
> Water Aerobics?

Nope. Once I take the medical stockings off that I wear, I *am* pretty much
totally crippled. And I can't wear them into a pool. They would get
shredded.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:31:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"James Post" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:29:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.
>>
>> Actually, it isn't. Any body movement that burns calories is exercise.
>> Unless you are confined to a bed and unable to move any part of your
>> body, you can exercise. Perhaps I can help you learn how to exercise
>> in your present condition. What's the nature of your disability?
>
>As I said in my other post, Fibromyalgia, Venous Insufficiency and
>Neuropathy from diabetes. That's nerve damage. Also psoriatic arthritis.
>
>Any kind of foot and leg exercise is out of the question. I used to use leg
>weights but that puts pressure on the bad veins and causes me trouble.
>Using the dumbbells caused my blood sugar to sky rocket so my Dr. told me to
>stop doing that. Yoga and Pilates cause my muscles to cramp as does
>calisthenics. Even rocking in a rocking chair caused my muscles to cramp.
>The rheumatologist said I don't have muscles. I have iron. They get that
>hard and tight.

There are no right answers when it comes to hypochondria. Enjoy your
sickness. Enjoy complaining about being sick. Enjoy being sick. Enjoy
being what you think is special. Lastly, enjoy what little life you
have left, because people like you die way before you have to as a
result of your messing your own health up. You're pathetic.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:19:12 +0200, "Giusi" >
wrote:

>
>"Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>> Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.
>
>Relatively more difficult, that's true. But it isn't impossible. There's
>always some form of exercise possible to anyone who isn't a quadroplegic. I
>have days when I can do this or that, other days that I can't. I can never
>support myself on one arm, but usually can do walking, biking, whereas my
>sister can do only recumbant biking. Seek and you will find.

Julie Bove doesn't want to do anything but revel in her supposed
illnesses. She wants the attention that comes with being a
hypochondriac. She wants to moan and bitch about anything and
everything in her life. Ignore her whining. She wants nothing to do
with anything that will help her. She wants to be sickly. It gets her
so much attention.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 04:37:29 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>Water Aerobics?

The more attention you give her, the more chances she has to complain
and deny any type of help. She wants no help. She wants to moan and
bitch and complain and be sick. Let her. Ignore her. Regardless of
what help you offer, she'll say that for some reason, she can't do
that. If there is no real reason, she'll make up one. Hypochondriacs
are practiced liars. Most of her day is spent thinking about her
supposed sicknesses and ways to make them stay with her so she can
continue getting all this attention. If she did anything to actually
help get better, it would end her special attention. That's the last
thing she really wants. Let her cry on you some more. That's what she
really wants to do.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 04:37:29 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> "Giusi" > wrote:
>
>> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>
>> > Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.
>>
>> Relatively more difficult, that's true. But it isn't impossible. There's
>> always some form of exercise possible to anyone who isn't a quadroplegic. I
>> have days when I can do this or that, other days that I can't. I can never
>> support myself on one arm, but usually can do walking, biking, whereas my
>> sister can do only recumbant biking. Seek and you will find.
>
>Water Aerobics?

'Zactly!!! Everyone can participate in low impact water aerobics...
and there is no better exercise than swimming, nothing else even comes
close. No matter how much pain one claims they have (everyone
experiences pain differently), everyone can benefit from various forms
of hydrotherapy. In fact one can recieve some benefit of exercise
while sleeping, sleeping on a water bed will strengthen ones core
muscles.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 02:53:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Omelet" > wrote in message
>news
>> In article >,
>> "Giusi" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>
>>> > Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.
>>>
>>> Relatively more difficult, that's true. But it isn't impossible.
>>> There's
>>> always some form of exercise possible to anyone who isn't a quadroplegic.
>>> I
>>> have days when I can do this or that, other days that I can't. I can
>>> never
>>> support myself on one arm, but usually can do walking, biking, whereas my
>>> sister can do only recumbant biking. Seek and you will find.
>>
>> Water Aerobics?
>
>Nope. Once I take the medical stockings off that I wear, I *am* pretty much
>totally crippled. And I can't wear them into a pool. They would get
>shredded.

Full of asinine excuses, ain't ya... there's no reason to wear support
hose in water, the water itself will give adequate support and also
the best theraputic massage, and there are waterproof garments
available at any dive shop. With low impact water aerobics ones feet
never touch bottom and for those who require it, and most do, they
wear flotation devices. I seriously doubt there is anything
physically wrong with you, your problem is 100% mental. Face facts,
Julie, you're a certifiable nut case... there is nothing the matter
with you that a good hard daily poke won't fix... I'm positive your
disposition would benefit greatly from a well placed water jet... and
with daily dedication in a spa before the week is out you should be
able to place your feet behind your ears.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:27:28 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 02:53:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Omelet" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> In article >,
>>> "Giusi" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>>
>>>> > Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.
>>>>
>>>> Relatively more difficult, that's true. But it isn't impossible.
>>>> There's
>>>> always some form of exercise possible to anyone who isn't a quadroplegic.
>>>> I
>>>> have days when I can do this or that, other days that I can't. I can
>>>> never
>>>> support myself on one arm, but usually can do walking, biking, whereas my
>>>> sister can do only recumbant biking. Seek and you will find.
>>>
>>> Water Aerobics?
>>
>>Nope. Once I take the medical stockings off that I wear, I *am* pretty much
>>totally crippled. And I can't wear them into a pool. They would get
>>shredded.
>
>Full of asinine excuses, ain't ya... there's no reason to wear support
>hose in water, the water itself will give adequate support and also
>the best theraputic massage, and there are waterproof garments
>available at any dive shop. With low impact water aerobics ones feet
>never touch bottom and for those who require it, and most do, they
>wear flotation devices. I seriously doubt there is anything
>physically wrong with you, your problem is 100% mental. Face facts,
>Julie, you're a certifiable nut case... there is nothing the matter
>with you that a good hard daily poke won't fix... I'm positive your
>disposition would benefit greatly from a well placed water jet... and
>with daily dedication in a spa before the week is out you should be
>able to place your feet behind your ears.

I see there is at least one other person who is tired of her bullshit.
It makes no difference what is offered, no help can be accepted
because she wouldn't be so very sick then and get all this wonderful
attention!

On 27/06/2011 9:27 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>> Nope. Once I take the medical stockings off that I wear, I *am* pretty much
>> totally crippled. And I can't wear them into a pool. They would get
>> shredded.
>
> Full of asinine excuses, ain't ya... 0


It's a curious phenomenon isn't it. No matter what the problem and what
suggestions are made, she has a thousand excuses why it won't work.

On 6/27/2011 7:58 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> 'Zactly!!! Everyone can participate in low impact water aerobics...
> and there is no better exercise than swimming, nothing else even comes
> close. No matter how much pain one claims they have (everyone
> experiences pain differently), everyone can benefit from various forms
> of hydrotherapy. In fact one can recieve some benefit of exercise
> while sleeping, sleeping on a water bed will strengthen ones core
> muscles.

In addition to swimming, weight lifting is valuable for diabetics, it
also helps you lose weight. The more muscle mass you have, the more
calories you will burn, even at rest. You can lift weights even when
you are seated. For disabled people a gym along with a personal trainer
would be a huge benefit.

Becca

"Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/27/2011 7:58 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> 'Zactly!!! Everyone can participate in low impact water aerobics...
>> and there is no better exercise than swimming, nothing else even comes
>> close. No matter how much pain one claims they have (everyone
>> experiences pain differently), everyone can benefit from various forms
>> of hydrotherapy. In fact one can recieve some benefit of exercise
>> while sleeping, sleeping on a water bed will strengthen ones core
>> muscles.
>
> In addition to swimming, weight lifting is valuable for diabetics, it also
> helps you lose weight. The more muscle mass you have, the more calories
> you will burn, even at rest. You can lift weights even when you are
> seated. For disabled people a gym along with a personal trainer would be a
> huge benefit.

I lifted weights for many years. Didn't help me lose weight and raised my
blood sugar just as I said before.

On 2011-06-27, Ema Nymton > wrote:

> also helps you lose weight. The more muscle mass you have, the more
> calories you will burn, even at rest. You can lift weights even when
> you are seated.

While I basically agree with you, body building and weight lifting are
not the same. Weight lifting will keep the muscles you have in good
tone, but it's body building that adds muscle mass and it requires a
different approach and diet.

nb

On 25 Jun 2011 23:50:39 GMT in rec.food.cooking, notbob
> wrote,
>None of this is new. Not even Atkins. Calaries Don't Count, book
>pushing a diet advocating counting carbs, not calories, came out over
>50 yrs ago.

William Banting published a famous book on low-carb dieting in 1863.

On 2011-06-28, David Harmon > wrote:

> William Banting published a famous book on low-carb dieting in 1863.

Sure. I remember it on my supermarket magazine shelf.

nb

notbob > wrote in
:

> On 2011-06-28, David Harmon > wrote:
>
>> William Banting published a famous book on low-carb dieting
>> in 1863.
>
> Sure. I remember it on my supermarket magazine shelf.
>
> nb

It was at the Denver DRY GOODS Company here in the 1860's. :-)

Ema Nymton wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> 'Zactly!!! Everyone can participate in low impact water aerobics...
>> and there is no better exercise than swimming, nothing else even comes
>> close. No matter how much pain one claims they have (everyone
>> experiences pain differently), everyone can benefit from various forms
>> of hydrotherapy. In fact one can recieve some benefit of exercise
>> while sleeping, sleeping on a water bed will strengthen ones core
>> muscles.
>
>In addition to swimming, weight lifting is valuable for diabetics, it
>also helps you lose weight. The more muscle mass you have, the more
>calories you will burn, even at rest. You can lift weights even when
>you are seated. For disabled people a gym along with a personal trainer
>would be a huge benefit.
>
>Becca

Yes, lifting weights is very beneficial. And you couldn't resist, you
do realize that it's taking every fiber of my being to refrain from
refering to hefting particular weights... easy for you.

Sheldon
Certified Personal Trainer

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:17:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
...
>> On 6/27/2011 7:58 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> 'Zactly!!! Everyone can participate in low impact water aerobics...
>>> and there is no better exercise than swimming, nothing else even comes
>>> close. No matter how much pain one claims they have (everyone
>>> experiences pain differently), everyone can benefit from various forms
>>> of hydrotherapy. In fact one can recieve some benefit of exercise
>>> while sleeping, sleeping on a water bed will strengthen ones core
>>> muscles.
>>
>> In addition to swimming, weight lifting is valuable for diabetics, it also
>> helps you lose weight. The more muscle mass you have, the more calories
>> you will burn, even at rest. You can lift weights even when you are
>> seated. For disabled people a gym along with a personal trainer would be a
>> huge benefit.
>
>I lifted weights for many years. Didn't help me lose weight and raised my
>blood sugar just as I said before.

Depends on the weights... lifting certain weights raises my blood
pressure, increases my pulse and gets my blood pumping. hehe

On 2011-06-28, Omelet > wrote:

> I'll say. :-) But it does take weight lifting to "body build"...
>
> Just sayin'!

True dat! If you did power lifting, you know what I mean. Power
lifting and body building require ever increasing weights. Jes plain
ol' weight lifting does not. Don't get me wrong.... they're all GOOD!

nb

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:08:14 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>There are people that enjoy having the world feel sorry for them and all
>their handicaps. They get off on it as it makes them feel special.
>
>I have my share of handicaps, but I'm working my ass off to overcome
>them.
>
>It's called "self-respect".
>
>Granted, I have the help of two very talented Chiro's trained in soft
>tissue therapy and the means to fund their assistance. I also (mostly)
>do what they tell me.
>
>They know I follow their advice by the progress I make.
>
>Try getting clipped by a large pickup truck (as a pedestrian) then have
>said injuries exacerbated by a few fall injuries, AND having endocrine
>problems on top of that!
>
>I choose not to make excuses. I choose to NOT be disabled when it's
>time for me to retire! I have better plans. <g>
>
>If she wants to wallow in self-pity, be our guest. But I don't feel
>sorry for her because she won't TRY! I have yet to see her not come up
>with an excuse for every single last thing anyone here suggests. I
>don't know why she asks for help she has no intent of trying...

Good for you! Physical Therapy is almost always painful. Pushing to
the limits of endurance is what makes a body respond by increasing
muscle mass and tone. If someone doesn't push, and goes only until it
becomes uncomfortable, no gain is realized. Julie Bove doesn't want to
be better. I've also watched her posts and realize that she has an
excuse for every single suggestion that would help her. She's
wallowing in self pity and loving every second of it. It sounds like
she's turning her daughter into a carbon copy of herself. Like the
exercise; she acts as if she is unaware that she could limit her
exercise to only the point at which it makes her BG rise. It's easy to
calculate and physical therapists do it every day. If all a person can
do is lift one pound one time a day, then just lift one pound one time
a day until you gain enough improvement to lift one pound twice a day
without increasing BG. I can just see her going ****ing crazy, pumping
her weights until she was exhausted and then whining about how it
raised her BG, so she wouldn't have to do it any more. (This will show
them!) I think she's lying about her Doctor. No Doctor worth a shit
would let a patient do absolutely no exercise at all unless they knew
it was pointless to argue with a patient who is a hypochondriac. When
confronted with a person with no will to live, most doctors will just
let them die if that is what the patient wants. They'll spend their
time working with someone who wants to improve. Julie Bove isn't one.
She's making her way to an early death and I'll bet her Doctor is well
aware of it. Julie Bove is what is commonly known as a "Yabut". It
makes no difference what is suggested to resolve any problem she has,
she will have a "Yeah, but" to tell you why she can't or won't do it.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > In article >,
>> > "Giusi" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> >>
>> >> > Rather hard to exercise when you're disabled.
>> >>
>> >> Relatively more difficult, that's true. But it isn't impossible.
>> >> There's
>> >> always some form of exercise possible to anyone who isn't a
>> >> quadroplegic.
>> >> I
>> >> have days when I can do this or that, other days that I can't. I can
>> >> never
>> >> support myself on one arm, but usually can do walking, biking, whereas
>> >> my
>> >> sister can do only recumbant biking. Seek and you will find.
>> >
>> > Water Aerobics?
>>
>> Nope. Once I take the medical stockings off that I wear, I *am* pretty
>> much
>> totally crippled. And I can't wear them into a pool. They would get
>> shredded.
>
> Um, pray tell, how and why would medical pressure socks get shredded in
> a pool? Are there sharks?
>
> Water aerobics is the lowest "impact" exercise known to man.
> You are just making more excuses! If you don't want to do it, just say
> so. No need to make crap up.
>
> FYI, I wear my pressure socks into the shower to wash them. They don't
> get shredded. Keep your toenails clipped!

A shower is not a pool. You do realize that a pool's bottom is rough.
Right? I have sustained many injuries from the bottom of a pool when I used
to swim.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 6/27/2011 7:58 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >> 'Zactly!!! Everyone can participate in low impact water aerobics...
>> >> and there is no better exercise than swimming, nothing else even comes
>> >> close. No matter how much pain one claims they have (everyone
>> >> experiences pain differently), everyone can benefit from various forms
>> >> of hydrotherapy. In fact one can recieve some benefit of exercise
>> >> while sleeping, sleeping on a water bed will strengthen ones core
>> >> muscles.
>> >
>> > In addition to swimming, weight lifting is valuable for diabetics, it
>> > also
>> > helps you lose weight. The more muscle mass you have, the more
>> > calories
>> > you will burn, even at rest. You can lift weights even when you are
>> > seated. For disabled people a gym along with a personal trainer would
>> > be a
>> > huge benefit.
>>
>> I lifted weights for many years. Didn't help me lose weight and raised
>> my
>> blood sugar just as I said before.
>
> That is such a crock... What did you EAT prior to or after your workout?
> Donuts? For how long did it "raise your glucose" levels? They vary and
> spike, then go lower. Unless they sustain a high level, a brief peak
> is harmless.
>
> You are hurting yourself far more by being inactive...

How could I eat donuts? Egg allergy! Diabetes! Hell no! And I didn't ask
anyone for advice. Did I? No.

My BG does not spike and then go low. I have gastroparesis. I am getting
SICK of people telling me what to do when THEY don't have the same medical
conditions I have. My BG goes high and stays high. Such is the nature of
gastroparesis.

Omelet wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> I lifted weights for many years. Didn't help me lose weight and raised my
>> blood sugar just as I said before.
>
> That is such a crock...

The part about losing weight isn't neccessarily. I've done weight
lifting for 6+ months in a row and ended up with nice strong muscles
under my nearly unchanged fat. The calories consumed doing weights is
enough to prevent weight gain (or to stop further weight gain) but it's
always easy to eat enough to prevent weight loss.

> What did you EAT prior to or after your workout? Donuts?

Exactly. Exercise raising blood sugar? Say what?

David Harmon wrote:
>
> William Banting published a famous book on low-carb dieting in 1863.

Ther was a scan of it on-line at one point. Might still be in google.
I read it. Short and simple. Without a maintenance phase I'd call it a
fad diet but I'm sure it would work because it reads like any other low
carb plan. Low carb works for a lot of people. Not for everyone but
nothing works for everyone except the use of force.

On 2011-06-28, Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> The part about losing weight isn't neccessarily. I've done weight
> lifting for 6+ months in a row and ended up with nice strong muscles
> under my nearly unchanged fat.

YOu musta been doing something wrong.

I've been endomorphic ..."portly" to you clueless... all my life.
When I started exercising, seriously, I lost fat. Note I said fat,
not weight. Weight is meaningless, as muscle weighs approx 3X more
than fat. OTOH, I didn't just lift weights. I also balanced it with
regular aerobic exercise, 20-30 mins at least 3-4 times per week.

Back to actual weight. I didn't lose an ounce!! OTOH, in as little
as 6 weeks, my clothes fit looser and my belt had to be taken up a
couple notches. Even more surprising, I began eating like a horse, at
least 50% more than my former food intake. Another side benefit, my
posture improved. My former tired walking slouch become painful if I
didn't consciously stand more upright and erect. Later, it became
natural.

Another point. As I said before, lifting weights and body building
are two different things. Lifting weights is lifting the same weight,
the same way, constantly, for six months. All that will get you is
one very happy healthy muscle, and is not a bad thing. But, to
increase muscle mass so it will burn more energy is a whole new
ballgame. It requires a whole series of alternating exercises to the
same muscle and requires a high protein diet. Eating cornbread and
doing 20 lb barbell curls fer 6 mos will not lose any fat.

The only reason I quit afte 4 mos is cuz I reinjured an old shoulder
problem. That was years ago and I'm again in pitiful shape. I'm
starting in, once more. I'll be more careful, this time.

Anyone who seriously wants to lose weight through weight training, I
suggest reading any and everything they can find on the Weider weight
training principles. I gar-own-tee! they really work. Heres a
thumbnail:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/37...ight-training/

nb

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:34:36 +0000 (UTC) in rec.food.cooking, Doug
Freyburger > wrote,
>David Harmon wrote:
>>
>> William Banting published a famous book on low-carb dieting in 1863.
>
>Ther was a scan of it on-line at one point.

http://www.proteinpower.com/banting/index.php

On 2011-06-29, Omelet > wrote:

> "Julie Bove" > wrote:

>> Right? I have sustained many injuries from the bottom of a pool when I used
>> to swim.

> That was a very poor try dear!

Aren't you a nurse, Om? Would you say this woman has Münchausen
syndrome? Near as I can tell, there's not a single instance of
ANYTHING this woman does not suffer an adverse reaction from other
than, apparently, sniveling and typing.

nb

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> James Post > wrote:
>
>> Good for you! Physical Therapy is almost always painful. Pushing to
>> the limits of endurance is what makes a body respond by increasing
>> muscle mass and tone.
>
> And flexibility and endurance. I was just assigned some new exercises
> today for core strength that took my shoulder injuries/pain into
> consideration.
>
> They are delightfully tiring. :-)
>
>> If someone doesn't push, and goes only until it
>> becomes uncomfortable, no gain is realized. Julie Bove doesn't want to
>> be better. I've also watched her posts and realize that she has an
>> excuse for every single suggestion that would help her. She's
>> wallowing in self pity and loving every second of it. It sounds like
>> she's turning her daughter into a carbon copy of herself. Like the
>> exercise; she acts as if she is unaware that she could limit her
>> exercise to only the point at which it makes her BG rise. It's easy to
>> calculate and physical therapists do it every day.

They do? How would they know what anyone's BG is? Do they make diabetics
test while they exercise?

> She could also wear water shoes to protect her pressure socks from
> "getting shredded". It takes real talent to injure yourself in a
> swimming pool!

Water shoes don't fit me. My feet are not only wide now but overly thick.
Not sure which of my medical conditions caused this. I just know they were
not like this until I got pregnant. AFAIK, Landsend is the only place that
sells water shoes in wide. But they still don't fit me.

I don't think it takes real talent to injure yourself in a swimming pool. I
did some sort of dive and hit the water too fast, scraping my knuckles on
the bottom of the pool. That's how I know it is textured and not in a good
way!
>
>> If all a person can
>> do is lift one pound one time a day, then just lift one pound one time
>> a day until you gain enough improvement to lift one pound twice a day
>> without increasing BG. I can just see her going ****ing crazy, pumping
>> her weights until she was exhausted and then whining about how it
>> raised her BG, so she wouldn't have to do it any more. (This will show
>> them!) I think she's lying about her Doctor. No Doctor worth a shit
>> would let a patient do absolutely no exercise at all unless they knew
>> it was pointless to argue with a patient who is a hypochondriac. When
>> confronted with a person with no will to live, most doctors will just
>> let them die if that is what the patient wants. They'll spend their
>> time working with someone who wants to improve. Julie Bove isn't one.
>> She's making her way to an early death and I'll bet her Doctor is well
>> aware of it. Julie Bove is what is commonly known as a "Yabut". It
>> makes no difference what is suggested to resolve any problem she has,
>> she will have a "Yeah, but" to tell you why she can't or won't do it.

What a bunch of nonsense! I used to use weights all the time. NEVER used
one pound ones. Not even to start. I used to be very active. I was a
dancer and was going to go back to teaching tap when I got pregnant. At the
time I was working at a golf course.

You don't share the same medical problems that I do. You're not a Dr. So
your nasty comments about me are meaningless. I also didn't bring a problem
here nor ask anyone to resolve anything.

SF posted that she didn't believe I was fat. Why she would do that is
beyond me. So I put up a pic so she could see that I was!
>
> It's why Dr. B. is giving me much of his time. They usually cut
> treatments off after a set time but altho' progress is slow on a 3 year
> old injury, he is willing to take the time it needs. You just have to
> find the right doc. If all I ever offered was excuses, he'd have given
> up on me long ago.
>
> A good Dr.'s job satisfaction comes from seeing the people they try to
> help get better. :-)

Okay...

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> >
>> > FYI, I wear my pressure socks into the shower to wash them. They don't
>> > get shredded. Keep your toenails clipped!
>>
>> A shower is not a pool. You do realize that a pool's bottom is rough.
>> Right? I have sustained many injuries from the bottom of a pool when I
>> used
>> to swim.
>
> I have yet to swim in a pool with a "rough" bottom...
> That was a very poor try dear!
>
> The river? Yes. The local Lap Pool? No.

Then explain how my knuckles were scraped and bleeding when I hit the bottom
of the YMCA pool in Lynnwood?

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2011-06-29, Omelet > wrote:
>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>>> Right? I have sustained many injuries from the bottom of a pool when I
>>> used
>>> to swim.
>
>> That was a very poor try dear!
>
> Aren't you a nurse, Om? Would you say this woman has Münchausen
> syndrome? Near as I can tell, there's not a single instance of
> ANYTHING this woman does not suffer an adverse reaction from other
> than, apparently, sniveling and typing.

WTF? I am getting sick of the rude people here! I certainly do not have
that.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> I have gastroparesis.
>
> I looked up Gastroparesis. It's treatable.
> You are just using it as an excuse.

Oh really? And how is it treatable? I take meds for it and am on a special
diet. There's no other treatment that I know of. Not in this country
anyway. Emycin is sometimes prescribed but that in and of itself makes me
throw up. So I can't take it. Other countries have meds that are not
approved here. And some people have had a pacemaker implanted but with very
mixed results.

So you tell me. What is the treatment?

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:08:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>What a bunch of nonsense!

Your poor Doctor.

So die sooner than you have to. Frankly Julie, I don't give a damn.

You've got an excuse for everything.

"James Post" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:08:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>What a bunch of nonsense!
>
> Your poor Doctor.
>
> So die sooner than you have to. Frankly Julie, I don't give a damn.
>
> You've got an excuse for everything.

I don't care if you give a damn or not! I don't think I asked you! Nope.
I know I didn't.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
>> In article >,
>> James Post > wrote:
>>
>>> Good for you! Physical Therapy is almost always painful. Pushing to
>>> the limits of endurance is what makes a body respond by increasing
>>> muscle mass and tone.
>>
>> And flexibility and endurance. I was just assigned some new exercises
>> today for core strength that took my shoulder injuries/pain into
>> consideration.
>>
>> They are delightfully tiring. :-)
>>
>>> If someone doesn't push, and goes only until it
>>> becomes uncomfortable, no gain is realized. Julie Bove doesn't want to
>>> be better. I've also watched her posts and realize that she has an
>>> excuse for every single suggestion that would help her. She's
>>> wallowing in self pity and loving every second of it. It sounds like
>>> she's turning her daughter into a carbon copy of herself. Like the
>>> exercise; she acts as if she is unaware that she could limit her
>>> exercise to only the point at which it makes her BG rise. It's easy to
>>> calculate and physical therapists do it every day.
>
> They do? How would they know what anyone's BG is? Do they make diabetics
> test while they exercise?
>
>> She could also wear water shoes to protect her pressure socks from
>> "getting shredded". It takes real talent to injure yourself in a
>> swimming pool!
>
> Water shoes don't fit me. My feet are not only wide now but overly thick.
> Not sure which of my medical conditions caused this. I just know they
> were not like this until I got pregnant. AFAIK, Landsend is the only
> place that sells water shoes in wide. But they still don't fit me.
>

Have you tried men's water shoes? Or simply a bigger size??

Jinx