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I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
hospital.

He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.

He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.

I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
to give it some flavor.

I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
if it requires something else.

He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).

Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.

He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.

He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
day.


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> wrote in message
...
>I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> hospital.
>
> He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>
> He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>
> So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>
> In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>
> Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.
>
> I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
> to give it some flavor.
>
> I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
> have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> if it requires something else.
>
> He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).
>
> Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
> very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
> good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.
>
> He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
> (so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
> answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
> and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.
>
> He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
> time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
> entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
> really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
> day.
>
>



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> wrote in message
...
>I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> hospital.
>
> He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>
> He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>
> So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>
> In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>
> Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.
>
> I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
> to give it some flavor.
>
> I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
> have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> if it requires something else.
>
> He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).
>
> Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
> very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
> good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.
>
> He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
> (so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
> answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
> and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.
>
> He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
> time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
> entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
> really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
> day.


Oops! I think I sent a blank post!

What about some sort of egg sandwich? Either egg salad, perhaps made
without the onion or celery, or a scrambled egg on bread?


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On May 19, 2:02*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
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>
> ...
>
>
>
> >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> > nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> > vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> > guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> > He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> > hospital.

>
> > He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> > motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> > by daily for dinner and *tomorrow's lunch.

>
> > He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> > boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> > retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> > of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> > consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> > swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

>
> > So, I am trying to come *up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> > he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> > dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

>
> > In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> > a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> > him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> > non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

>
> > Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> > replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> > chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> > I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> > has 4 teeth. *I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.

>
> > I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> > intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> > make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
> > to give it some flavor.

>
> > I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> > complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> > just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
> > have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> > if it requires something else.

>
> > He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> > cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> > chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> > relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> > enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> > not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> > Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).

>
> > Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> > sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> > hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
> > very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
> > good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.

>
> > He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking *him
> > (so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
> > answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
> > and what his ideal daily *salt intake will be.

>
> > He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
> > time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
> > entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
> > really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
> > day.

>
> Oops! *I think I sent a blank post!
>
> What about some sort of egg sandwich? *Either egg salad, perhaps made
> without the onion or celery, or a scrambled egg on bread?


Thanks. I'll check the egg salad at work. It probably has too much
salt, so I would need to make some. But I can ask him if he is
interested. He could buy the raw eggs, and I could make the salad at
home.

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> wrote
> Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions.


Do you have any roasted meats? Sliced roast beef, chicken, turkey, or pork
loin would make an excellent sandwich with no added salt.



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On May 19, 2:51*am, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> > wrote
>
> > Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> > sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> > hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions.

>
> Do you have any roasted meats? *Sliced roast beef, chicken, turkey, or pork
> loin would make an excellent sandwich with no added salt.


We sell whole chickens (they do have some seasoning on the outside),
turkey breast, and a pork loin that is heavily sauced.

In the past, he has never been interested as he can't eat a whole one
in one day, and he has a tiny cube fridge. But I may be able to
convince him now. We have the whole chicken on sale on friday. And I
don't mind keeping part of it in the fridge and reheating it for him.
I have the rest of his package of butter in the employee fridge, and
some juice in my locker. He can't carry a lot at once, so when he buys
a multipack of juice, I keep the rest in my locker, and he can take
them one at a time.

I could also chop up the rest of the chicken and make something else
with it. We just need to get creative, and hopefully, he will accept
me helping some from home since it can't all be purchased at the
store already ready to eat.

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On May 19, 3:15*am, Janet > wrote:
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> >,
> says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 19, 2:02*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > > wrote in message

>
> > ....

>
> > > >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> > > > nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> > > > vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> > > > guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> > > > He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> > > > hospital.

>
> > > > He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> > > > motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> > > > by daily for dinner and *tomorrow's lunch.

>
> > > > He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> > > > boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> > > > retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> > > > of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> > > > consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> > > > swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

>
> > > > So, I am trying to come *up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> > > > he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> > > > dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

>
> > > > In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> > > > a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> > > > him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> > > > non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

>
> > > > Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> > > > replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> > > > chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> > > > I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> > > > has 4 teeth. *I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.

>
> > > > I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> > > > intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> > > > make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
> > > > to give it some flavor.

>
> > > > I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> > > > complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> > > > just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
> > > > have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> > > > if it requires something else.

>
> > > > He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> > > > cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> > > > chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> > > > relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> > > > enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> > > > not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> > > > Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).

>
> > > > Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves

>
> *Do you sell jars of babyfood or pkts of babyrice or cereals? They are
> usually saltfree and can be eaten by people with no teeth. He can also
> keep a stash safely in the motel room in case he doesn't feel well enough
> to go out *to eat.
>


He can still eat most things that can be done in smaller bites. He can
eat a sandwich with sliced turkey meat. He has trouble with roast
beef, but I just chop it up so that it comes apart easily. He can eat
meatloaf sandwiches although now they will be off limits. He can eat
smaller pieces of chicken. I have suggested a knife for larger pieces,
but he refuses. He is eccentric and stubborn

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On May 19, 1:22*am, "
> wrote:
> He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>
> So, I am trying to come *up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>


I know that monosodium glutamate sounds like it is very high in
sodium, but it's not.
Salt is about 2/5 sodium by weight, and MSG is about 1/7 sodium.
Plus, it takes very little to liven up a lowered salt meal.

--Bryan
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On May 19, 5:40*am, "
> wrote:
>. But I may be able to
> convince him now. We have the whole chicken on sale on friday. And I
> don't mind keeping part of it in the fridge and reheating it for him.
> I have the rest of his package of butter in the employee fridge, and
> some juice in my locker. He can't carry a lot at once, so when he buys
> a multipack of juice, I keep the rest in my locker, and he can take
> them one at a time.
>

You are very nice to do that, and your employer is nice for letting
you.

--Bryan
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On 19/05/2011 4:22 PM, wrote:
> I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> hospital.


Well, in recent times, all my friends who ended up in our local hospital
seemed to emerge only in a box. I can well understand his reluctance to
enter such a place. I'm hoping it was all due to my friend's inability
to look after their health than anything related to the care given by
the hospital.
>
> He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.


Are there available alternative living arrangements whereby he could at
least cook some basic meals? The only "easy" way he can maintain a
healthy low salt diet without imposing on others is to cook his own
meals from known fresh ingredients. Am I being presumptuous in assuming
that he can cook, even a little?

His meals need not be complex. Some staple meat with, for example, 3
different steamed vegetables plus some fruit to round out the meal.
Steaming is preferable to boiling as more of the vitamins in the food
are preserved. As well, more of the flavour is retained.
Basic stews are also good. Any meats can be stewed a little extra until
they are well softened requiring little if any chewing. Enough stew can
be made in one session to cater to a number of meals especially if some
steamed vegetables or steamed rice is added to the meal. Variety is the
key here. The stew may be the staple but the vegetables can be varied as
desired.

This is how I live when my wife goes overseas to Vietnam, as she did a
few weeks back. I don't have the patience for cooking complex meals,
especially as there's often only myself dining in.

>
> He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>
> So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.


That's a killer diet. I'm surprised he's reached 70.
>
> In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>
> Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.
>
> I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
> to give it some flavor.


There are three low salt sauces in the online recipe book to which I
posted the URL yesterday. Here again is the URL

http://www.worldactiononsalt.com/awa...20cookbook.pdf

You might find other items in the low salt cookbook that you will be
able to prepare with a minimum of fuss.
>
> I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
> have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> if it requires something else.
>
> He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).
>
> Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
> very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
> good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.


Salad sandwiches with mushrooms or the like to substitute for the meat
might be one way of dealing with the sandwich meat issue.
>
> He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
> (so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
> answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
> and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.


His ideal salt intake will be a lot lower than you realise and, without
imposing on others, it will be a practical impossibility under his
current living arrangements. You would be doing him a real favour if you
can get him into a situation where he can do some simple food
preparation for himself. His motel lifestyle is not conducive to that.
>
> He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
> time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
> entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
> really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
> day.


Try this website for a start.

http://www.saltmatters.org/site/

Processed food that is low in salt is hard to find. She Peter
Chamberlains website for clues on that difficulty in Australia.

http://users.tpg.com.au/pschamb/mls.html


You might want to join in an email discussion group dedicated to the low
salt issue.

http://www.saltmatters.org/site/inde...ail-chat-group

There is a book available that might help you as it provides a lot of
information in identifying the salt in foods as well as many low salt
recipes. I had a copy but I lent it to my doctor and haven't managed to
get it back yet. That was a few years ago. I think it's gone for good! ;-)
Amazon has a few copies available;

http://www.amazon.com/Salt-Matters-T...f=pd_rhf_p_t_2

Krypsis




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" wrote:

>I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
>nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
>vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
>guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
>He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
>hospital.
>
>He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
>motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
>by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>
>He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
>boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
>retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
>of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
>consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
>swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>
>So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
>he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
>dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>
>In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
>a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
>him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
>non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>
>Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
>replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
>chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
>I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
>has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.
>
>I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
>intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
>make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
>to give it some flavor.
>
>I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
>complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
>just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
>have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
>if it requires something else.
>
>He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
>cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
>chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
>relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
>enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
>not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
>Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).
>
>Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
>sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
>hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
>very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
>good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.
>
>He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
>(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
>answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
>and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.
>
>He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
>time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
>entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
>really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
>day.


He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. You
need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his dietician,
his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you can't be
dispensing medical advice to customers. You can lose your job, be
sued... your employer can be sued. You'd best not serve anyone
"special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he dies due
to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be criminally
charged, and should be.
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On May 18, 11:22*pm, "
> wrote:
> I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> hospital.
>
> He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> by daily for dinner and *tomorrow's lunch.
>
> He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>


Does he have a microwave at work? Then he could heat his lunch.

According to lowsaltfoods.com, there are several low sodium canned and
frozen products available in grocery stores. Anything involving ground
beef is easily gummable. Motels have ice machines, so perhaps he could
surreptitiously fill up a small cooler that would let a frozen entree
slowly thaw overnight in time for lunch.

I, too, was dismayed to find out that deli roast beef and chicken had
as much sodium as ham.

The water pills should keep his legs at their normal taper. But I
suspect he has congestive heart failure.
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On May 19, 2:42*am, "
> wrote:
> On May 19, 2:02*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > wrote in message

>
> ....

>
> > >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> > > nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> > > vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> > > guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> > > He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> > > hospital.

>
> > > He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> > > motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> > > by daily for dinner and *tomorrow's lunch.

>
> > > He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> > > boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> > > retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> > > of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> > > consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> > > swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

>
> > > So, I am trying to come *up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> > > he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> > > dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

>
> > > In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> > > a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> > > him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> > > non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

>
> > > Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> > > replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> > > chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> > > I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> > > has 4 teeth. *I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.

>
> > > I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> > > intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> > > make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
> > > to give it some flavor.

>
> > > I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> > > complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> > > just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
> > > have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> > > if it requires something else.

>
> > > He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> > > cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> > > chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> > > relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> > > enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> > > not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> > > Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).

>
> > > Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> > > sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> > > hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
> > > very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
> > > good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.

>
> > > He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking *him
> > > (so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
> > > answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
> > > and what his ideal daily *salt intake will be.

>
> > > He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
> > > time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
> > > entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
> > > really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
> > > day.

>
> > Oops! *I think I sent a blank post!

>
> > What about some sort of egg sandwich? *Either egg salad, perhaps made
> > without the onion or celery, or a scrambled egg on bread?

>
> Thanks. I'll check the egg salad at work. It probably has too much
> salt, so I would need to make some. But I can ask him if he is
> interested. He could buy the raw eggs, and I could make the salad at
> home.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Tuna salad?
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On May 19, 4:36*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On May 19, 5:40*am, "<fries...@zoocrewphoto. com> wrote:
> >. But I may be able to
> > convince him now. We have the whole chicken on sale on friday. And I
> > don't mind keeping part of it in the fridge and reheating it for him.
> > I have the rest of his package of butter in the employee fridge, and
> > some juice in my locker. He can't carry a lot at once, so when he buys
> > a multipack of juice, I keep the rest in my locker, and he can take
> > them one at a time.

>
> You are very nice to do that, and your employer is nice for letting
> you.
>


He's a really nice guy, and he comes in almost every day. All the long
time employees know him well. I just make sure I keep t he receipts so
anything i have in my locker or the fridge are legal. And my boss
doesn't mind that we spend a little extra time with his order.

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On May 19, 5:19*am, Krypsis > wrote:

> Are there available alternative living arrangements whereby he could at
> least cook some basic meals? The only "easy" way he can maintain a
> healthy low salt diet without imposing on others is to cook his own
> meals from known fresh ingredients. Am I being presumptuous in assuming
> that he can cook, even a little?


Yes, but he won't accept them yet. We actually have a rental house
next door and the rooms are less than he is paying now. But he would
have to walk past two bad streets to get here. They aren't as bad as
they used to be. The drug dealers aren't on the corner anymore.
Anyway, he won't consider it even though he would have more space, a
full kitchen, etc.

> Basic stews are also good. Any meats can be stewed a little extra until
> they are well softened requiring little if any chewing. Enough stew can
> be made in one session to cater to a number of meals especially if some
> steamed vegetables or steamed rice is added to the meal. Variety is the
> key here. The stew may be the staple but the vegetables can be varied as
> desired.
>


I will ask him if he will let me make him stew. I'm sure the canned
stuff is high in salt, but I will check just in case. I can cook
anything in a crock pot and get it really soft for him. And I can
freeze servings to help with variety.

>
> That's a killer diet. I'm surprised he's reached 70.
>
>


He walks every day and is very active, so that is what has kept him
going.

>
> http://www.worldactiononsalt.com/awa...wareness_week_...
>
> You might find other items in the low salt cookbook that you will be
> able to prepare with a minimum of fuss.
>
>

I think he would like the curry, but it looked complicated. I will
look it over some more.


>
> His ideal salt intake will be a lot lower than you realise and, without
> imposing on others, it will be a practical impossibility under his
> current living arrangements. You would be doing him a real favour if you
> can get him into a situation where he can do some simple food
> preparation for himself. His motel lifestyle is not conducive to that.
>
>


Yes, I'm sure that right now, his goal needs to be just about zero.
I'm pretty sure the meal I made him yesterday was zero, as the cooks
didn't anything other than water to the stirfry. And it had steamed
rice and unsalted butter.

I will offer the room next door again, but he is very stubborn.


>
> http://www.saltmatters.org/site/
>

Thanks!



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On May 19, 7:01*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> " wrote:
> >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> >nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> >vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> >guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> >He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> >hospital.

>
> >He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> >motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> >by daily for dinner and *tomorrow's lunch.

>
> >He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> >boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> >retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> >of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> >consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> >swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

>
> >So, I am trying to come *up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> >he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> >dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

>
> >In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> >a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> >him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> >non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

>
> >Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> >replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> >chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> >I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> >has 4 teeth. *I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.

>
> >I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> >intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> >make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
> >to give it some flavor.

>
> >I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> >complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> >just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
> >have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> >if it requires something else.

>
> >He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> >cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> >chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> >relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> >enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> >not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> >Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).

>
> >Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> >sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> >hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
> >very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
> >good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.

>
> >He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking *him
> >(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
> >answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
> >and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.

>
> >He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
> >time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
> >entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
> >really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
> >day.

>
> He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. *You
> need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his dietician,
> his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you can't be
> dispensing medical advice to customers. *You can lose your job, be
> sued... your employer can be sued. *You'd best not serve anyone
> "special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he dies due
> to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be criminally
> charged, and should be.


So I should keep making him sandwiches with highly salted meat even
though he is asking me for low salt food?

How is that medical advice?

Do I **** you off more than most people?



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On May 19, 7:59*am, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> On May 18, 11:22*pm, "
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> > nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> > vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> > guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> > He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> > hospital.

>
> > He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> > motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> > by daily for dinner and *tomorrow's lunch.

>
> > He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> > boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> > retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> > of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> > consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> > swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

>
> Does he have a microwave at work? Then he could heat his lunch.
>
> According to lowsaltfoods.com, there are several low sodium canned and
> frozen products available in grocery stores. Anything involving ground
> beef is easily gummable. Motels have ice machines, so perhaps he could
> surreptitiously fill up a small cooler that would let a frozen entree
> slowly thaw overnight in time for lunch.
>
> I, too, was dismayed to find out that deli roast beef and chicken had
> as much sodium as ham.
>
> The water pills should keep his legs at their normal taper. But I
> suspect he has congestive heart failure.


I do too. Hopefully, he will be in today with updated results. I know
this is very bad.

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On 2011-05-19, cshenk > wrote:
>
> You can ignore Sheldon here.


You can ingnore this entire thread, which is such total unadulterated
bullshit, I'm shocked even shelly fell for it. Trying to find low
salt food in a deli is like trying to find Mexican food in a Taco
Bell.

nb
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On Thu, 19 May 2011 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On May 19, 7:01*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> " wrote:
>> >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
>> >nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
>> >vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
>> >guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
>> >He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
>> >hospital.

>>
>> >He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
>> >motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
>> >by daily for dinner and *tomorrow's lunch.

>>
>> >He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
>> >boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
>> >retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
>> >of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
>> >consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
>> >swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

>>
>> >So, I am trying to come *up with some alternatives that he can eat as
>> >he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
>> >dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

>>
>> >In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
>> >a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
>> >him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
>> >non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

>>
>> >Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
>> >replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
>> >chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
>> >I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
>> >has 4 teeth. *I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.

>>
>> >I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
>> >intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
>> >make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
>> >to give it some flavor.

>>
>> >I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
>> >complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
>> >just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
>> >have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
>> >if it requires something else.

>>
>> >He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
>> >cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
>> >chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
>> >relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
>> >enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
>> >not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
>> >Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).

>>
>> >Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
>> >sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
>> >hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
>> >very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
>> >good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.

>>
>> >He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking *him
>> >(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
>> >answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
>> >and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.

>>
>> >He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
>> >time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
>> >entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
>> >really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
>> >day.

>>
>> He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. *You
>> need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his dietician,
>> his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you can't be
>> dispensing medical advice to customers. *You can lose your job, be
>> sued... your employer can be sued. *You'd best not serve anyone
>> "special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he dies due
>> to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be criminally
>> charged, and should be.

>
>So I should keep making him sandwiches with highly salted meat even
>though he is asking me for low salt food?


Serve whatever he asks for from the regular menu, like any otherf
customer. Anyone who should be curtailing their salt shouldn't be
eating from any deli, but what any customer eats is none of your
business. And you don't know what he eats elsewhere, for all you know
his pantry is chock full of chips n' dips, pepperoni, cheese up the
kazoos. Deli food is by far the most unhealthful crap there is. Were
you truly caring you'd send him over to the produce and fresh meat
departments... but instead you lure him to eat deli crap. You can go
to his abode and cook for him as a friend and/or invite him to your
abode for dinner... but it's highly unethical to involve your
professional life on the job with his medical needs, in other words
don't shit where you eat, even a cat knows that.
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>I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
>nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
>vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
>guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
>He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
>hospital.


snip

I have no experience to offer advice in this situation, but I do want
to heartily commend and thank you for your kindness towards others.

Boron
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> On 2011-05-19, cshenk > wrote:
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>> You can ignore Sheldon here.

>
> You can ingnore this entire thread, which is such total unadulterated
> bullshit, I'm shocked even shelly fell for it. Trying to find low
> salt food in a deli is like trying to find Mexican food in a Taco
> Bell.


Okay... Please tell me how to get the masticated raw baby carrots off of my
computer screen?

Thanks.


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> On Thu, 19 May 2011 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>>On May 19, 7:01 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>>> " wrote:
>>> >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
>>> >nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
>>> >vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
>>> >guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
>>> >He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
>>> >hospital.
>>>
>>> >He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
>>> >motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
>>> >by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>>>
>>> >He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
>>> >boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
>>> >retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
>>> >of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
>>> >consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
>>> >swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>>>
>>> >So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
>>> >he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
>>> >dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>>>
>>> >In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
>>> >a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
>>> >him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
>>> >non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>>>
>>> >Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
>>> >replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
>>> >chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
>>> >I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
>>> >has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.
>>>
>>> >I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
>>> >intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
>>> >make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
>>> >to give it some flavor.
>>>
>>> >I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
>>> >complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
>>> >just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
>>> >have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
>>> >if it requires something else.
>>>
>>> >He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
>>> >cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
>>> >chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
>>> >relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
>>> >enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
>>> >not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
>>> >Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).
>>>
>>> >Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
>>> >sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
>>> >hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
>>> >very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
>>> >good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.
>>>
>>> >He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
>>> >(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
>>> >answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
>>> >and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.
>>>
>>> >He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
>>> >time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
>>> >entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
>>> >really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
>>> >day.
>>>
>>> He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. You
>>> need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his dietician,
>>> his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you can't be
>>> dispensing medical advice to customers. You can lose your job, be
>>> sued... your employer can be sued. You'd best not serve anyone
>>> "special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he dies due
>>> to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be criminally
>>> charged, and should be.

>>
>>So I should keep making him sandwiches with highly salted meat even
>>though he is asking me for low salt food?

>
> Serve whatever he asks for from the regular menu, like any otherf
> customer. Anyone who should be curtailing their salt shouldn't be
> eating from any deli, but what any customer eats is none of your
> business. And you don't know what he eats elsewhere, for all you know
> his pantry is chock full of chips n' dips, pepperoni, cheese up the
> kazoos. Deli food is by far the most unhealthful crap there is. Were
> you truly caring you'd send him over to the produce and fresh meat
> departments... but instead you lure him to eat deli crap. You can go
> to his abode and cook for him as a friend and/or invite him to your
> abode for dinner... but it's highly unethical to involve your
> professional life on the job with his medical needs, in other words
> don't shit where you eat, even a cat knows that.


She said he lives in a motel and has no microwave. Not sure if he has a
fridge or not. And he has only 4 teeth.


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On Thu, 19 May 2011 18:53:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 19 May 2011 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On May 19, 7:01 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>>>> " wrote:
>>>> >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
>>>> >nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
>>>> >vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
>>>> >guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
>>>> >He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
>>>> >hospital.
>>>>
>>>> >He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
>>>> >motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
>>>> >by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>>>>
>>>> >He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
>>>> >boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
>>>> >retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
>>>> >of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
>>>> >consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
>>>> >swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>>>>
>>>> >So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
>>>> >he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
>>>> >dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>>>>
>>>> >In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
>>>> >a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
>>>> >him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
>>>> >non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>>>>
>>>> >Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
>>>> >replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
>>>> >chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
>>>> >I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
>>>> >has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.
>>>>
>>>> >I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
>>>> >intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
>>>> >make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
>>>> >to give it some flavor.
>>>>
>>>> >I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
>>>> >complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
>>>> >just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
>>>> >have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
>>>> >if it requires something else.
>>>>
>>>> >He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
>>>> >cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
>>>> >chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
>>>> >relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
>>>> >enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
>>>> >not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
>>>> >Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).
>>>>
>>>> >Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
>>>> >sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
>>>> >hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
>>>> >very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
>>>> >good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.
>>>>
>>>> >He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
>>>> >(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
>>>> >answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
>>>> >and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.
>>>>
>>>> >He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
>>>> >time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
>>>> >entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
>>>> >really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
>>>> >day.
>>>>
>>>> He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. You
>>>> need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his dietician,
>>>> his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you can't be
>>>> dispensing medical advice to customers. You can lose your job, be
>>>> sued... your employer can be sued. You'd best not serve anyone
>>>> "special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he dies due
>>>> to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be criminally
>>>> charged, and should be.
>>>
>>>So I should keep making him sandwiches with highly salted meat even
>>>though he is asking me for low salt food?

>>
>> Serve whatever he asks for from the regular menu, like any otherf
>> customer. Anyone who should be curtailing their salt shouldn't be
>> eating from any deli, but what any customer eats is none of your
>> business. And you don't know what he eats elsewhere, for all you know
>> his pantry is chock full of chips n' dips, pepperoni, cheese up the
>> kazoos. Deli food is by far the most unhealthful crap there is. Were
>> you truly caring you'd send him over to the produce and fresh meat
>> departments... but instead you lure him to eat deli crap. You can go
>> to his abode and cook for him as a friend and/or invite him to your
>> abode for dinner... but it's highly unethical to involve your
>> professional life on the job with his medical needs, in other words
>> don't shit where you eat, even a cat knows that.

>
>She said he lives in a motel and has no microwave. Not sure if he has a
>fridge or not. And he has only 4 teeth.


Then that's an imaginary friend... too much time watching the Muppets.
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"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 19 May 2011 18:53:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2011 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 19, 7:01 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>>>>> " wrote:
>>>>> >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
>>>>> >nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
>>>>> >vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super
>>>>> >nice
>>>>> >guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
>>>>> >He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
>>>>> >hospital.
>>>>>
>>>>> >He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
>>>>> >motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he
>>>>> >comes
>>>>> >by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>>>>>
>>>>> >He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
>>>>> >boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
>>>>> >retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
>>>>> >of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
>>>>> >consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
>>>>> >swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>>>>>
>>>>> >So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
>>>>> >he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
>>>>> >dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>>>>>
>>>>> >In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as
>>>>> >adding
>>>>> >a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
>>>>> >him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
>>>>> >non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>>>>>
>>>>> >Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
>>>>> >replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
>>>>> >chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
>>>>> >I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
>>>>> >has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> >I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
>>>>> >intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
>>>>> >make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain
>>>>> >entree
>>>>> >to give it some flavor.
>>>>>
>>>>> >I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
>>>>> >complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
>>>>> >just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients
>>>>> >we
>>>>> >have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
>>>>> >if it requires something else.
>>>>>
>>>>> >He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
>>>>> >cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
>>>>> >chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
>>>>> >relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
>>>>> >enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
>>>>> >not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
>>>>> >Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).
>>>>>
>>>>> >Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
>>>>> >sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
>>>>> >hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
>>>>> >very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
>>>>> >good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> >He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
>>>>> >(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
>>>>> >answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet
>>>>> >restrictions
>>>>> >and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.
>>>>>
>>>>> >He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a
>>>>> >long
>>>>> >time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
>>>>> >entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
>>>>> >really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
>>>>> >day.
>>>>>
>>>>> He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. You
>>>>> need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his dietician,
>>>>> his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you can't be
>>>>> dispensing medical advice to customers. You can lose your job, be
>>>>> sued... your employer can be sued. You'd best not serve anyone
>>>>> "special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he dies due
>>>>> to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be criminally
>>>>> charged, and should be.
>>>>
>>>>So I should keep making him sandwiches with highly salted meat even
>>>>though he is asking me for low salt food?
>>>
>>> Serve whatever he asks for from the regular menu, like any otherf
>>> customer. Anyone who should be curtailing their salt shouldn't be
>>> eating from any deli, but what any customer eats is none of your
>>> business. And you don't know what he eats elsewhere, for all you know
>>> his pantry is chock full of chips n' dips, pepperoni, cheese up the
>>> kazoos. Deli food is by far the most unhealthful crap there is. Were
>>> you truly caring you'd send him over to the produce and fresh meat
>>> departments... but instead you lure him to eat deli crap. You can go
>>> to his abode and cook for him as a friend and/or invite him to your
>>> abode for dinner... but it's highly unethical to involve your
>>> professional life on the job with his medical needs, in other words
>>> don't shit where you eat, even a cat knows that.

>>
>>She said he lives in a motel and has no microwave. Not sure if he has a
>>fridge or not. And he has only 4 teeth.

>
> Then that's an imaginary friend... too much time watching the Muppets.


She didn't say he was a friend.

When I worked at K Mart we had a guy named Jack who was somewhat in the same
boat. I don't know the particulars of where he lived but he seemed to have
no friends other than the other few regulars we had who always seemed to
live in the cafeteria. They came when the store opened and left usually
shortly before it closed. If there was some sort of big news like a
shoplifter or some crazy person running amuck then they might stay to see
what was going on. They ate breakfast, lunch and dinner there.

One day Jack was diagnosed with diabetes. He brought in the diet plan he'd
been given and a log book to write all of his food down in. He seemed not
to have a clue what to eat or how to record the foods. Up until then he had
eaten a lot of fried chicken and other fried foods. He was overweight and
smoked. Never quit smoking.

The cafeteria manager and the others who worked in the cafeteria took pity
on him, making him the types of meals he should be eating and recording what
he ate in his log book. This only went on for a few weeks. Then he never
came back.

Another regular said his health had gone downhill rapidly. He was in the
hospital and had some toes amputated. Then a leg. And then he was gone. I
really don't know any more particulars than that.

Sometimes you just have to take pity on people like that. They seem to have
no friends or family and they aren't really causing anyone any harm.
Because Jack was always in there, he seemed to know all the current gossip
and he always knew which employee went where and even where some of the
customers went. And he did buy things from us. So we were told to put up
with him and help him when we could.


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On 5/19/2011 7:09 PM, cshenk wrote:

> For samwiches, you'd be shocked at what you can do with little babyfood
> jars (no salt added is the norm) of various meats. Chopped up salad
> bar things added to it probably works in your situation? Mince as
> needed then mix to a sort of 'pate' then add lettuce and make a samwich
> with black pepper and perhaps some MS Dash. Most spice_mixes_ have
> high sodium but pure ones do not. MS Dash is a sodium 'free' version
> of a mix.


We were on the same track about baby food. I'm not sure I'd like it but
it's possible it can make a tasty healthy gravy for an open faced
sandwich with the turkey cut up small, and add the necessary veggie
components he needs. And it might taste good.
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On May 19, 4:30*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
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>
>
>
> > Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > > He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard.
> > > > His boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs
> > > > were retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took
> > > > several vials of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt
> > > > since his diet has consisted of processed food every day for
> > > > every meal. His legs are swollen, and the lung issue is a bad
> > > > sign.
> > > > So, I am trying to come *up with some alternatives that he can
> > > > eat as he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of
> > > > sandwiches, corn dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
> > > He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. *You
> > > need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his
> > > dietician, his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you
> > > can't be dispensing medical advice to customers. *You can lose your
> > > job, be sued... your employer can be sued. *You'd best not serve
> > > anyone "special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he
> > > dies due to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be
> > > criminally charged, and should be.

> > So I should keep making him sandwiches with highly salted meat even
> > though he is asking me for low salt food?

>
> > How is that medical advice?

>
> > Do I **** you off more than most people?

>
> You can ignore Sheldon here. *You are only taking the medical advice of
> his Doctor and attempting to assist a good patron with following it.
> You haven't dispensed any medical advice. *The patron is purchasing the
> food he wants and you are fixing it. *If he asks for a little advice
> and you read a label for him, that is not medical advice.
>
> Nor is is adverse or otherwise bad to check the sodium levels on the
> deli meats for him and assist in selecting items that fit his needs.
> This is called 'customer service' and is why all of us patronize some
> deli's over others.


Exactly, Mostly, what I have done is checked labels, and I had the
cooked put together an entree without the seasonings so that it would
not have salt. I did find out today that it was too crunchy for him.
Normally, gets something out of the case that has sat there awhile, so
it is softer. I will have them make it earlier tomorrow and let it sit
in the hot case for awhile.

Today, we checked the little fruit cups which are mostly low in salt.
He picked apple sauce today. And we checked peanut butter. We found a
couple that were lower.



>
> I'd be a bit leery of cooking at home for him, but investigating
> recipes then asking your manager if your store can try one as a
> possible addition is an added benefit to not just him, but the store
> sales that your manager will appreciate. *He/she may well agree to a
> 'trial of the day' to see if customers like the item.
>

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On May 19, 5:35*pm, notbob > wrote:
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>
>
>
> > You can ignore Sheldon here. *

>
> You can ingnore this entire thread, which is such total unadulterated
> bullshit, I'm shocked even shelly fell for it. *Trying to find low
> salt food in a deli is like trying to find Mexican food in a Taco
> Bell. *
>


I'm not trying to find already prepapred food in a deli with low salt.
I work inthe deli department of a grocery store. He's a customer who
comes in every day to get his dinner and lunch for the next day. I'm
trying to find ways to get him something that will meet his new diet.
I know it is tough. That is why I am asking. The guy has no way to
cook unless he moves, and that is not likely to happen. He's very set
in his ways.

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On May 19, 5:36*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2011 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT), "
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On May 19, 7:01*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >> " wrote:
> >> >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> >> >nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> >> >vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> >> >guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> >> >He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> >> >hospital.

>
> >> >He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> >> >motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> >> >by daily for dinner and *tomorrow's lunch.

>
> >> >He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> >> >boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> >> >retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> >> >of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> >> >consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> >> >swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

>
> >> >So, I am trying to come *up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> >> >he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> >> >dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

>
> >> >In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> >> >a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> >> >him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> >> >non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

>
> >> >Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> >> >replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> >> >chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> >> >I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> >> >has 4 teeth. *I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.

>
> >> >I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> >> >intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> >> >make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
> >> >to give it some flavor.

>
> >> >I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> >> >complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> >> >just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
> >> >have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> >> >if it requires something else.

>
> >> >He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> >> >cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> >> >chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> >> >relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> >> >enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> >> >not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> >> >Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).

>
> >> >Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> >> >sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> >> >hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
> >> >very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
> >> >good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.

>
> >> >He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking *him
> >> >(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
> >> >answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
> >> >and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.

>
> >> >He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
> >> >time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
> >> >entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
> >> >really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
> >> >day.

>
> >> He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. *You
> >> need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his dietician,
> >> his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you can't be
> >> dispensing medical advice to customers. *You can lose your job, be
> >> sued... your employer can be sued. *You'd best not serve anyone
> >> "special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he dies due
> >> to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be criminally
> >> charged, and should be.

>
> >So I should keep making him sandwiches with highly salted meat even
> >though he is asking me for low salt food?

>
> Serve whatever he asks for from the regular menu, like any otherf
> customer. *Anyone who should be curtailing their salt shouldn't be
> eating from any deli, but what any customer eats is none of your
> business. *And you don't know what he eats elsewhere, for all you know
> his pantry is chock full of chips n' dips, pepperoni, cheese up the
> kazoos. *Deli food is by far the most unhealthful crap there is. Were
> you truly caring you'd send him over to the produce and fresh meat
> departments... but instead you lure him to eat deli crap. *You can go
> to his abode and cook for him as a friend and/or invite him to your
> abode for dinner... but it's highly unethical to involve your
> professional life on the job with his medical needs, in other words
> don't shit where you eat, even a cat knows that.


Don't be such a jerk. I already explained that he lives in a motel
room, and has for the past 15 years. He is not allowed to have a
microwave or hotplate in there, so he has NO way to cook. Raw meat
won't do him any good. He can eat some fruit if it is cut up small,
but veggies are going to be too crunchy if not cooked.

I cannot cook at his place since there is nothing to cook with. If he
adds anything like that, they will raise his rent. Yes, the people who
own the place are jerks. I have invited him in the past for Christmas
dinner. He has refused. He won't walk up the main street as it passes
two streets with thugs. And he has to be downright desperate to get
into a car. He is not a normal guy. He has some paranoia issues.



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On May 19, 9:18*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 19 May 2011 18:53:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:

>
> >>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Thu, 19 May 2011 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT), "
> >>> > wrote:

>
> >>>>On May 19, 7:01 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >>>>> " wrote:
> >>>>> >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> >>>>> >nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> >>>>> >vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super
> >>>>> >nice
> >>>>> >guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> >>>>> >He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> >>>>> >hospital.

>
> >>>>> >He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> >>>>> >motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he
> >>>>> >comes
> >>>>> >by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.

>
> >>>>> >He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> >>>>> >boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> >>>>> >retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> >>>>> >of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> >>>>> >consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> >>>>> >swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

>
> >>>>> >So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> >>>>> >he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> >>>>> >dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

>
> >>>>> >In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as
> >>>>> >adding
> >>>>> >a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> >>>>> >him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> >>>>> >non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

>
> >>>>> >Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> >>>>> >replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> >>>>> >chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> >>>>> >I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> >>>>> >has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.

>
> >>>>> >I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> >>>>> >intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> >>>>> >make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain
> >>>>> >entree
> >>>>> >to give it some flavor.

>
> >>>>> >I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> >>>>> >complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> >>>>> >just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients
> >>>>> >we
> >>>>> >have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> >>>>> >if it requires something else.

>
> >>>>> >He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> >>>>> >cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> >>>>> >chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> >>>>> >relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> >>>>> >enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> >>>>> >not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> >>>>> >Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).

>
> >>>>> >Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> >>>>> >sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> >>>>> >hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
> >>>>> >very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
> >>>>> >good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.

>
> >>>>> >He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
> >>>>> >(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
> >>>>> >answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet
> >>>>> >restrictions
> >>>>> >and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.

>
> >>>>> >He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a
> >>>>> >long
> >>>>> >time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
> >>>>> >entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
> >>>>> >really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
> >>>>> >day.

>
> >>>>> He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. You
> >>>>> need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his dietician,
> >>>>> his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you can't be
> >>>>> dispensing medical advice to customers. You can lose your job, be
> >>>>> sued... your employer can be sued. You'd best not serve anyone
> >>>>> "special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he dies due
> >>>>> to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be criminally
> >>>>> charged, and should be.

>
> >>>>So I should keep making him sandwiches with highly salted meat even
> >>>>though he is asking me for low salt food?

>
> >>> Serve whatever he asks for from the regular menu, like any otherf
> >>> customer. *Anyone who should be curtailing their salt shouldn't be
> >>> eating from any deli, but what any customer eats is none of your
> >>> business. *And you don't know what he eats elsewhere, for all you know
> >>> his pantry is chock full of chips n' dips, pepperoni, cheese up the
> >>> kazoos. *Deli food is by far the most unhealthful crap there is. Were
> >>> you truly caring you'd send him over to the produce and fresh meat
> >>> departments... but instead you lure him to eat deli crap. *You can go
> >>> to his abode and cook for him as a friend and/or invite him to your
> >>> abode for dinner... but it's highly unethical to involve your
> >>> professional life on the job with his medical needs, in other words
> >>> don't shit where you eat, even a cat knows that.

>
> >>She said he lives in a motel and has no microwave. *Not sure if he has a
> >>fridge or not. *And he has only 4 teeth.

>
> > Then that's an imaginary friend... too much time watching the Muppets.

>
> She didn't say he was a friend.
>
> When I worked at K Mart we had a guy named Jack who was somewhat in the same
> boat. *I don't know the particulars of where he lived but he seemed to have
> no friends other than the other few regulars we had who always seemed to
> live in the cafeteria. *They came when the store opened and left usually
> shortly before it closed. *If there was some sort of big news like a
> shoplifter or some crazy person running amuck then they might stay to see
> what was going on. *They ate breakfast, lunch and dinner there.



Bill is a lot like that. He's a really nice guy who makes friends
wherever he goes. But he has no contact with family. He says he was
married 5 times, but I don't know if that is true. He also claims he
was shot by one of them and stabbed by another one, and that seems too
much to believe. He believes he has been thrown away, so he is
reluctant to put himself in the position of being thrown away again.
This is why he won't consider renting a room. He believes he could get
kicked out later.

He has a pattern every day where he gets off the bus, stops by the
store and visits with us. Then over to the Laundromat, Bartell's, a
local drug store chain, and then Pete's towing place, before he goes
to his room. Sometimes, he picks up pop or candy for the lady at the
laundromat or ice cream for her kids.

A lot of people know him from the bus as they stop and chat with him
all the time. He knows a lot of people, and they like him. He just
doesn't have many close friends. And no family. I've known him for 15
years, and he has only mentioned once that he has kids, and two times
that he was in Viet Nam.


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> wrote in message
...
> I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> hospital.
>
> He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>

(snippage)

> So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>

Those things are not exactly heart healthy or low-salt. If the motel won't
allow him to use a microwave, doesn't have a stove top or allow a hot plate,
I have absolutely NO idea what to suggest. I'm sure he's a very nice guy
but this situation sounds impossible for you to maintain for very long.
Especially not since he seems to need medication but won't go to the VA
hospital.

> In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>

Are you planning to cook for him on a regular basis? You can't adjust
Chinese takeout to be low-salt... it is what it is. Ditto corndogs, unless
you plan to buy the sticks and hotdogs and make the batter with low or no
salt yourself. Deep fried foods probably aren't a good idea either.

I wish I could offer recipe suggestions but it sounds like he needs more
than just no- or low-salt meals. I do admire your trying to take care of
him. Best of luck.

Jill

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"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
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> " wrote:
>
>>I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
>>nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
>>vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
>>guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
>>He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
>>hospital.
>>
>>He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
>>motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
>>by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>>
>>He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
>>boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
>>retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
>>of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
>>consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
>>swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>>
>>So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
>>he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
>>dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>>
>>In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
>>a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
>>him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
>>non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>>
>>Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
>>replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
>>chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
>>I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
>>has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.
>>
>>I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
>>intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
>>make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
>>to give it some flavor.
>>
>>I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
>>complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
>>just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
>>have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
>>if it requires something else.
>>
>>He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
>>cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
>>chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
>>relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
>>enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
>>not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
>>Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).
>>
>>Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
>>sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
>>hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
>>very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
>>good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.
>>
>>He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
>>(so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
>>answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
>>and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.
>>
>>He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
>>time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
>>entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
>>really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
>>day.

>
> He obviously has medical issues that you haven't a clue about. You
> need to mind your own business, you're not his doctor, his dietician,
> his mother, or his priest... you're a deli clerk, you can't be
> dispensing medical advice to customers. You can lose your job, be
> sued... your employer can be sued. You'd best not serve anyone
> "special diets", if there's some adverse reaction and/or he dies due
> to your practicing medicine as a deli clerk you can be criminally
> charged, and should be.



You can't be charged with feeding a hungry person. I don't think she's
doing this on behalf of her employer, either, although her employer condones
it. Nor is it criminal to try to give him food or recipes. She's not
"practicing medicine", she's asking for low- and no-salt recipes. Granted,
her reasons are skewed because she likes this guy and wants to help.. But
she's not his mother nor should she be trying to feed him regularly like a
dog. The man definitely has problems she is not qualified to address. But
if he refuses to go back to the VA (ha) for treatment, who are we to judge?
Would you rather he wound up living under a bridge abutment along I-4- the
under a subway tunnel in NYC? At least she's trying to help.

I do, however, think it's being done the wrong way. Get the right person in
the VA (takes lots of phone calls) and you can eventually reach someone who
cares. They aren't going to carry this man off in chains... it's not Olivia
DeHavilland in 'The Snake Pit'. They'll find housingmedication, food
services. There are a lot of options. And I'm a major cynic about the VA.

Jill

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On May 20, 11:59*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...> I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> > nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> > vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> > guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> > He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> > hospital.

>
> > He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> > motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> > by daily for dinner and *tomorrow's lunch.

>
> (snippage)
>
> > So, I am trying to come *up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> > he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> > dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

>
> Those things are not exactly heart healthy or low-salt. *If the motel won't
> allow him to use a microwave, doesn't have a stove top or allow a hot plate,
> I have absolutely NO idea what to suggest. *I'm sure he's a very nice guy
> but this situation sounds impossible for you to maintain for very long.
> Especially not since he seems to need medication but won't go to the VA
> hospital.
>
> > In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> > a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> > him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> > non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

>
> Are you planning to cook for him on a regular basis? *You can't adjust
> Chinese takeout to be low-salt... it is what it is. *Ditto corndogs, unless
> you plan to buy the sticks and hotdogs and make the batter with low or no
> salt yourself. *Deep fried foods probably aren't a good idea either.
>
> I wish I could offer recipe suggestions but it sounds like he needs more
> than just no- or low-salt meals. *I do admire your trying to take care of
> him. *Best of luck.
>
> Jill


Wow, that was helpful!


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some random thoughts
-find whatever meat in the deli is lowest in salt... put it in a shallow
dish and heat the water to boiling in the nuker... let it sit until you can
handle it, then change water and repeat. put a sand. worth in the water...
this will make it a bit less flavorful but will remove some of the salt. if
your deli is at least as good as walmart, which i assume tit is, they
generally have reduced salt and fat cheese choices.
-since you have chinese cookes, see if they can use some cornstarch and low
salt broth to make a salt, adding spicey or sweet doesn't seem to be an
issue so they might have some flavor ideas.
-if the rice is plain you could use the low salt broth, rice and the boiled
deli turkey with a few veggies for a lower salt soup.

I know there is more its just not coming to me,

Lee
> wrote in message
...
>I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super nice
> guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security, etc.
> He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> hospital.
>
> He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he comes
> by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>
> He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard. His
> boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several vials
> of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet has
> consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.
>
> So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches, corn
> dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>
> In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as adding
> a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not heat
> non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>
> Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller as
> I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he only
> has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.
>
> I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain entree
> to give it some flavor.
>
> I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients we
> have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> if it requires something else.
>
> He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be too
> chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).
>
> Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions. He's not
> very picky about food, other than the ability to chew it, so that's
> good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is fine.
>
> He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking him
> (so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down the
> answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet restrictions
> and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.
>
> He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a long
> time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
> entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
> really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he misses a
> day.
>
>



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is he allowed a coffee mkaker? if so, he can heat some noodles/pasta in the
coffee pot, ramen comes to mind but even the noodles are a bit dicey
considering his issues, but a can of low salt broth or low salt tomato
sauce, over some orzo noodles will cook in a coffee maker with a decent
warmer... don't run broth thro maker just turn on warmer, pour in orzo, run
hot water over can in sink, after tem minutes put in broth and set on
burner... stirr occasionally and it will cook, time depends on noodles,
which is why orzo is often used when i travel.

Lee
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On May 19, 3:15 am, Janet > wrote:
> In article <e2bdaaf6-f45e-431b-a3fc-
> >,
> says...
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>
>
>
>
> > On May 19, 2:02 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > > wrote in message

>
> > ...

>
> > > >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a really
> > > > nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet Nam
> > > > vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a super
> > > > nice
> > > > guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security,
> > > > etc.
> > > > He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go to the
> > > > hospital.

>
> > > > He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day. The
> > > > motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so he
> > > > comes
> > > > by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.

>
> > > > He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard.
> > > > His
> > > > boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs were
> > > > retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took several
> > > > vials
> > > > of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt since his diet
> > > > has
> > > > consisted of processed food every day for every meal. His legs are
> > > > swollen, and the lung issue is a bad sign.

>
> > > > So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can eat as
> > > > he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches,
> > > > corn
> > > > dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.

>
> > > > In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as
> > > > adding
> > > > a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up for
> > > > him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do not
> > > > heat
> > > > non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.

>
> > > > Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
> > > > replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
> > > > chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it smaller
> > > > as
> > > > I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller pieces as he
> > > > only
> > > > has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better than nothing.

>
> > > > I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low salt
> > > > intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would love to
> > > > make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a plain
> > > > entree
> > > > to give it some flavor.

>
> > > > I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
> > > > complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can make
> > > > just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses ingredients
> > > > we
> > > > have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and added
> > > > if it requires something else.

>
> > > > He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we can
> > > > cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork would be
> > > > too
> > > > chewy. I could do something with ground beef at home. He is a bit
> > > > relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i think this is serious
> > > > enough that he would accept me cooking it if he paid for it. He does
> > > > not accept handouts. He protests every year about me giving him a
> > > > Christmas dinner (but he does accept it ).

>
> > > > Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves

>
> Do you sell jars of babyfood or pkts of babyrice or cereals? They are
> usually saltfree and can be eaten by people with no teeth. He can also
> keep a stash safely in the motel room in case he doesn't feel well enough
> to go out to eat.
>


He can still eat most things that can be done in smaller bites. He can
eat a sandwich with sliced turkey meat. He has trouble with roast
beef, but I just chop it up so that it comes apart easily. He can eat
meatloaf sandwiches although now they will be off limits. He can eat
smaller pieces of chicken. I have suggested a knife for larger pieces,
but he refuses. He is eccentric and stubborn


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celery and most commercial mayo/salad dressings have loads of salt. not
sure but i think the tuna can depending on brand have a lot.
"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> merryb > wrote:
>
>> On May 19, 2:42 am, "
>> > wrote:
>>> On May 19, 2:02 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> >m..

>> .
>>>
>>> > >I work in a deli department at a grocery store, and we have a
>>> > >really
>>> > > nice guy who has been coming in for about 15 years. He is a Viet
>>> > > Nam vet, in his 70s, very eccentric, and a bit paranoid. He's a
>>> > > super nic

>> e
>>> > > guy who avoids hospitals and cars, won't accept social security,
>>> > > etc. He has had two heart attacks in the past and refused to go
>>> > > to the hospital.
>>>
>>> > > He lives in a nearby motel and buses to work downtown every day.
>>> > > The motel won't allow him to have a microwave, hot plate, etc, so
>>> > > he come

>> s
>>> > > by daily for dinner and tomorrow's lunch.
>>>
>>> > > He's been feeling sick lately, very exhausted and breathing hard.
>>> > > His boss finally insisted and hauled him to the doctor. His lungs
>>> > > were retaining fluid. He has a water pill now, and they took
>>> > > several vials of blood. He was told he needs to cut out the salt
>>> > > since his diet has consisted of processed food every day for
>>> > > every meal. His legs are swollen, and the lung issue is a bad
>>> > > sign.
>>>
>>> > > So, I am trying to come up with some alternatives that he can
>>> > > eat

>> as
>>> > > he adjusts his daily diet. He normally eats a lot of sandwiches,
>>> > > corn dogs, chicken strips, and chinese food.
>>>
>>> > > In the past, we have done some adjustments to his food, such as
>>> > > addin

>> g
>>> > > a can of veggies to some rice and an entree, and heating it up
>>> > > for him. Or adding rice to soup. Stuff like that. We normally do
>>> > > not heat non-deli food, but we make an exception for him.
>>>
>>> > > Today, I fixed him some rice, with unsalted butter stirred in to
>>> > > replace the gravy. And I had the cooks stir fry some veggies and
>>> > > chicken without any sauce or seasonings. I also chopped it
>>> > > smaller as I normally pick through the entrees for the smaller
>>> > > pieces as he only has 4 teeth. I'm sure it was boring but better
>>> > > than nothing.
>>>
>>> > > I am hoping for some suggestions that would keep him at a low
>>> > > salt intake, especially while he gets this under control. I would
>>> > > love to make a nice sauce that I could take and add to rice and a
>>> > > plain entre

>> e
>>> > > to give it some flavor.
>>>
>>> > > I can make something at home and heat it there if it is more
>>> > > complicated that stuff we make at work. The chinese cooks can
>>> > > make just about any entree I ask for as long as it only uses
>>> > > ingredients w

>> e
>>> > > have already. Something like a sauce could be made at home and
>>> > > added if it requires something else.
>>>
>>> > > He has a problem chewing due to the teeth, so the only meat we
>>> > > can cook for him is chicken, cut up small. Our beef and pork
>>> > > would be too chewy. I could do something with ground beef at
>>> > > home. He is a bit relunctant to accept food as a gift, but i
>>> > > think this is serious enough that he would accept me cooking it
>>> > > if he paid for it. He does not accept handouts. He protests every
>>> > > year about me giving him a Christmas dinner (but he does accept
>>> > > it ).
>>>
>>> > > Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
>>> > > sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can
>>> > > make hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions.
>>> > > He's not very picky about food, other than the ability to chew
>>> > > it, so that's good. He likes most fruits and veggies. Spicy is
>>> > > fine.
>>>
>>> > > He goes back to the doctor again today and a coworker is taking
>>> > > hi

>> m
>>> > > (so that she can help him ask the right questions and write down
>>> > > the answers). So hopefully, I will have a better idea of diet
>>> > > restriction

>> s
>>> > > and what his ideal daily salt intake will be.
>>>
>>> > > He is a really super guy, so I am hoping to keep him around for a
>>> > > lon

>> g
>>> > > time to come. He can cheer me up on a bad day, and he is always
>>> > > entertaining. He goes to Reno every year for Thanksgiving, and I
>>> > > really miss his daily visits. These days, I worry anytime he
>>> > > misses a day.
>>>
>>> > Oops! I think I sent a blank post!
>>>
>>> > What about some sort of egg sandwich? Either egg salad, perhaps
>>> > made without the onion or celery, or a scrambled egg on bread?
>>>
>>> Thanks. I'll check the egg salad at work. It probably has too much
>>> salt, so I would need to make some. But I can ask him if he is
>>> interested. He could buy the raw eggs, and I could make the salad at
>>> home.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -

>>
>> Tuna salad?

>
>
> Better than tuna salad!...
>
> "Green Death" tuna salad!
>
>
> Ingredients:
>
> 1 12 oz. can (340g) Solid white tuna (albacore)
> 1 medium avocado
> 3 tablespoons mayo
> 1 tablespoon minced celery
> 1 teaspoon minced jalapeno pepper (optional)
> 1/4 teaspoon white or black fresh cracked pepper
> Toasted bread
> Slice of cheese, if desired.
>
>
> Directions:
>
> 1. Open and drain water from can of tuna. With tuna in the can, use a
> knife to cut tuna into fine pieces (cross-cut in varying directions.)
>
> 2. Pit and small dice an avocado into mixing bowl. Mash with a fork.
>
> 3. Add fine diced tuna, celery, pepper and optional diced jalapeno to
> bowl and mix.
>
> 4. Add mayo (ir Miracle Whip), mixing well to achieve desired gloppiness.
>
> 5. Toast your favorite bread, cover with a piece of cheese and spread on
> a decent amount of "green death" to your liking.
>
> 6. Enjoy!
>
> Survived by...
>
> Andy



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something else just occurrred not sure if it will help you or not but
asparagus is a natural dirertic, sp as is lemon juice and watermelon, if you
can serve these he might get help getting rid of the water... the bowl of
chopped fruit in produce should keep overnight and the asparagus, if stir
fried is also good cold, Lee
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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>
> > wrote
>> Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
>> sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
>> hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions.

>
> Do you have any roasted meats? Sliced roast beef, chicken, turkey, or
> pork loin would make an excellent sandwich with no added salt.



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i like the idea of at least deboning the chicken, if you did that and
chopped it for him i bet it would fit in the frig... also, ask him if he
will buy a dozen eggs and you boil them... they will keep for a week at room
temp if that isn't hidiously high, might help the evening snacking.

Lee
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On May 19, 2:51 am, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> > wrote
>
> > Sandwich meats are out since they are so high in salt. He loves
> > sandwiches though, so a good alternative would be awesome. I can make
> > hot and cold sandwiches, so I am open to any suggestions.

>
> Do you have any roasted meats? Sliced roast beef, chicken, turkey, or pork
> loin would make an excellent sandwich with no added salt.


We sell whole chickens (they do have some seasoning on the outside),
turkey breast, and a pork loin that is heavily sauced.

In the past, he has never been interested as he can't eat a whole one
in one day, and he has a tiny cube fridge. But I may be able to
convince him now. We have the whole chicken on sale on friday. And I
don't mind keeping part of it in the fridge and reheating it for him.
I have the rest of his package of butter in the employee fridge, and
some juice in my locker. He can't carry a lot at once, so when he buys
a multipack of juice, I keep the rest in my locker, and he can take
them one at a time.

I could also chop up the rest of the chicken and make something else
with it. We just need to get creative, and hopefully, he will accept
me helping some from home since it can't all be purchased at the
store already ready to eat.


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