i wanted corn dog but didn't want to deep fry, so i used a box of jiffy
cornbread, had no eggs, so substituted a 1/4 cup of applesauce (actually
used an apple compote made with rum), Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.

On Mar 27, 2:24*pm, "Michael (piedmont)" > wrote:
> i wanted corn dog but didn't want to deep fry, so i used a box of jiffy
> cornbread, had no eggs, so substituted a 1/4 cup of applesauce (actually
> used an apple compote made with rum), Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
> a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.

Here's some 'hype' on Kosher slaughtering.
http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...aughtering.htm

Here's some 'reality': http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm

We always stunned our pigs with a .22 to the forehead before cutting
it's throat. It never felt a thing. I mean go ahead and eat halal or
kosher. I won't. It's a barbaric practice.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:24:17 -0400, "Michael (piedmont)"
> wrote:

>i wanted corn dog but didn't want to deep fry, so i used a box of jiffy
>cornbread, had no eggs, so substituted a 1/4 cup of applesauce (actually
>used an apple compote made with rum), Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
>a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.

Inventive if nothing else.

koko
--
Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

www.kokoscornerblog.com

Natural Watkins Spices
www.apinchofspices.com

On 3/27/2011 8:49 AM, Portland wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2:24 pm, "Michael > wrote:
>> i wanted corn dog but didn't want to deep fry, so i used a box of jiffy
>> cornbread, had no eggs, so substituted a 1/4 cup of applesauce (actually
>> used an apple compote made with rum), Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
>> a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.
>
> Here's some 'hype' on Kosher slaughtering.
> http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...aughtering.htm
>
> Here's some 'reality': http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm
>
> We always stunned our pigs with a .22 to the forehead before cutting
> it's throat. It never felt a thing. I mean go ahead and eat halal or
> kosher. I won't. It's a barbaric practice.

My neighbor used to raise pigs and he seems to have a genuine affection
for the animal. He neither stunned the pig or cut their throat to
slaughter them. He would kneel alongside them and hold them close to him
to make sure they're calm and then quickly jab them with a sharp knife
in the neck artery. According to him, they never felt a thing and simply
bled to death. He said that the pigs were pretty smart and you had to
conceal the knife and anyway, panic spoils the meat - at least that's
what he thought.

"dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio
Portland wrote:
>> On Mar 27, 2:24 pm, "Michael (piedmont wrote:

Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
>>> a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.
>>
>> Here's some 'hype' on Kosher slaughtering.
>> http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...aughtering.htm
>>
>> Here's some 'reality': http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm
>>
>> We always stunned our pigs with a .22 to the forehead before cutting
>> it's throat. It never felt a thing. I mean go ahead and eat halal or
>> kosher. I won't. It's a barbaric practice.
>
> My neighbor used to raise pigs and he seems to have a genuine affection
> for the animal. He neither stunned the pig or cut their throat to
> slaughter them. He would kneel alongside them and hold them close to him
> to make sure they're calm and then quickly jab them with a sharp knife in
> the neck artery. According to him, they never felt a thing and simply bled
> to death. He said that the pigs were pretty smart and you had to conceal
> the knife and anyway, panic spoils the meat - at least that's what he
> thought.

But no Kosher food has pork in it, so what the heck are you all going on
about?

On 3/27/2011 11:40 PM, Giusi wrote:
> > ha scritto nel messaggio
> Portland wrote:
>>> On Mar 27, 2:24 pm, "Michael (piedmont wrote:
>
> Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
>>>> a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.
>>>
>>> Here's some 'hype' on Kosher slaughtering.
>>> http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...aughtering.htm
>>>
>>> Here's some 'reality': http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm
>>>
>>> We always stunned our pigs with a .22 to the forehead before cutting
>>> it's throat. It never felt a thing. I mean go ahead and eat halal or
>>> kosher. I won't. It's a barbaric practice.
>>
>> My neighbor used to raise pigs and he seems to have a genuine affection
>> for the animal. He neither stunned the pig or cut their throat to
>> slaughter them. He would kneel alongside them and hold them close to him
>> to make sure they're calm and then quickly jab them with a sharp knife in
>> the neck artery. According to him, they never felt a thing and simply bled
>> to death. He said that the pigs were pretty smart and you had to conceal
>> the knife and anyway, panic spoils the meat - at least that's what he
>> thought.
>
> But no Kosher food has pork in it, so what the heck are you all going on
> about?

Slaughtering a pig in an intimate, peaceful, way has nothing to do with
kosher food. What the heck does kosher food have to do with Jiffy
cornbread and hot dogs and apple compote? What the heck are you going on
about? :-)

"dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio

What the heck does kosher food have to do with Jiffy > cornbread and hot
dogs and apple compote? What the heck are you going on
> about? :-)
§§§§§§§§§§

He made a point of using Hebrew National Kosher dogs, that's what. I hope
my pets don't ever read this account of how to kill your friends. I would
have to be afraid, very afraid.

On 3/28/2011 12:04 AM, Giusi wrote:
> > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> What the heck does kosher food have to do with Jiffy> cornbread and hot
> dogs and apple compote? What the heck are you going on
>> about? :-)
> §§§§§§§§§§
>
> He made a point of using Hebrew National Kosher dogs, that's what. I hope
> my pets don't ever read this account of how to kill your friends. I would
> have to be afraid, very afraid.

My guess is that your pets don't much care if a pig get killed. Mostly
they're afraid of loud noises and strangers and not really into abstract
notions like killing your friends. OTOH, if they're into reading posts
on the Usenet, they very well could be aware of their own mortality.
Please tell them that I was just kidding if this is the case.

The reality is that having your owner hold you while you slip into
unconsciousness is probably a lot better way to go than having a bolt in
the brain and your throat cut. That's just my opinion. Hopefully, you're
a vegetarian and not a carnivore.

On Mar 28, 1:31*am, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:49:52 -0700 (PDT), Portland wrote:
> > Here's some 'hype' on Kosher slaughtering.
> >http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...aughtering.htm
>
> > Here's some 'reality': *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm
>
> Save your misplaced rants. *He only mentioned a brand of hot dogs. I'm
> sure he eats them because they taste good, not for religious reasons.
> Maybe it's the slow, agonizing death that makes them taste good.
>
> > We always stunned our pigs with a .22 to the forehead before cutting
> > it's throat. *It never felt a thing. *I mean go ahead and eat halal or
> > kosher. *I won't. *It's a barbaric practice.
>
> In the first place, a bullet to the forehead usually spells D-E-A-T-H
> to the brain. *Which makes the heart stop. *Which pumps the blood out
> of the pig. *If the brain is dead then the ig isn't going to bleed to
> death - it;s already dead.

Our bullets never killed our pigs. We always got blood to make blood
sausage. We used a mushroom round. Maybe that helped.

>
> Second, and most importantly of all: Kosher hot dogs are made out of
> BEEF, never pork. *Cattle are stunned with a bolt to the brain before
> bloodletting, so the heart still pumps blood out the cow efficiently
> and "humanely". *the bolt isn't all always foolproof, but it's cheaper
> than heroin.
>
> Next time you have a kosher slaughter rants, don't use pigs as an
> example.
>

Look who's ranting ranter. And I'll use whatever animal I please.
Now go and stick your head into the sand. You might learn something.

On Mar 28, 5:20*am, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 3/27/2011 8:49 AM, Portland wrote:
>
> > On Mar 27, 2:24 pm, "Michael > *wrote:
> >> i wanted corn dog but didn't want to deep fry, so i used a box of jiffy
> >> cornbread, had no eggs, so substituted a 1/4 cup of applesauce (actually
> >> used an apple compote made with rum), Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
> >> a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.
>
> > Here's some 'hype' on Kosher slaughtering.
> >http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...aughtering.htm
>
> > Here's some 'reality': *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm
>
> > We always stunned our pigs with a .22 to the forehead before cutting
> > it's throat. *It never felt a thing. *I mean go ahead and eat halal or
> > kosher. *I won't. *It's a barbaric practice.
>
> My neighbor used to raise pigs and he seems to have a genuine affection
> for the animal. He neither stunned the pig or cut their throat to
> slaughter them. He would kneel alongside them and hold them close to him
> to make sure they're calm and then quickly jab them with a sharp knife
> in the neck artery. According to him, they never felt a thing and simply
> bled to death. He said that the pigs were pretty smart and you had to
> conceal the knife and anyway, panic spoils the meat - at least that's
> what he thought.

I've often thought about that. I don't like the thought of cutting
the animal's throat while it is conscious. But a quick stab sounds
OK. But you need to really home in on that artery.

On Mar 28, 5:40*am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> *Portland wrote:
> >> On Mar 27, 2:24 pm, "Michael (piedmont *wrote:
>
> Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
>
>
>
> >>> a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.
>
> >> Here's some 'hype' on Kosher slaughtering.
> >>http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...aughtering.htm
>
> >> Here's some 'reality': *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm
>
> >> We always stunned our pigs with a .22 to the forehead before cutting
> >> it's throat. *It never felt a thing. *I mean go ahead and eat halal or
> >> kosher. *I won't. *It's a barbaric practice.
>
> > My neighbor used to raise pigs and he seems to have a genuine affection
> > for the animal. He neither stunned the pig or cut their throat to
> > slaughter them. He would kneel alongside them and hold them close to him
> > to make sure they're calm and then quickly jab them with a sharp knife in
> > the neck artery. According to him, they never felt a thing and simply bled
> > to death. He said that the pigs were pretty smart and you had to conceal
> > the knife and anyway, panic spoils the meat - at least that's what he
> > thought.
>
> But no Kosher food has pork in it, so what the heck are you all going on
> about?

I think it's an idea that can be transferred from pork to cattle.

Portland > wrote:

>On Mar 28, 1:31*am, Sqwertz > wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:49:52 -0700 (PDT), Portland wrote:
>> > Here's some 'hype' on Kosher slaughtering.
>> >http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...aughtering.htm
>>
>> > Here's some 'reality': *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm
>>
>> Save your misplaced rants. *He only mentioned a brand of hot dogs. I'm
>> sure he eats them because they taste good, not for religious reasons.
>> Maybe it's the slow, agonizing death that makes them taste good.
>>
>> > We always stunned our pigs with a .22 to the forehead before cutting
>> > it's throat. *It never felt a thing. *I mean go ahead and eat halal or
>> > kosher. *I won't. *It's a barbaric practice.
>>
>> In the first place, a bullet to the forehead usually spells D-E-A-T-H
>> to the brain. *Which makes the heart stop. *Which pumps the blood out
>> of the pig. *If the brain is dead then the ig isn't going to bleed to
>> death - it;s already dead.
>
>Our bullets never killed our pigs. We always got blood to make blood
>sausage. We used a mushroom round. Maybe that helped.

I'll bet you never penetrated the skull. Pigs have *very* tough
noggins. Forehead and between the eyes, you need FMJ bullets.
Behind the ear will dispatch them. If you're bleeding them, them a
forehead shot will put them down for about 2 minutes-- slit & hang as
quickly as possible.

A neighbor used to just shoot, then slit, and let them walk around
rutting until they laid down. They never appeared to notice a thing,
rutting around right up the end.

Jim

pig farmer is absoulutely correct, adrenal hormones when excess make the
meat less desirable. Lee
"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/27/2011 8:49 AM, Portland wrote:
>> On Mar 27, 2:24 pm, "Michael > wrote:
>>> i wanted corn dog but didn't want to deep fry, so i used a box of jiffy
>>> cornbread, had no eggs, so substituted a 1/4 cup of applesauce (actually
>>> used an apple compote made with rum), Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
>>> a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.
>>
>> Here's some 'hype' on Kosher slaughtering.
>> http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...aughtering.htm
>>
>> Here's some 'reality': http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2977086.stm
>>
>> We always stunned our pigs with a .22 to the forehead before cutting
>> it's throat. It never felt a thing. I mean go ahead and eat halal or
>> kosher. I won't. It's a barbaric practice.
>
> My neighbor used to raise pigs and he seems to have a genuine affection
> for the animal. He neither stunned the pig or cut their throat to
> slaughter them. He would kneel alongside them and hold them close to him
> to make sure they're calm and then quickly jab them with a sharp knife in
> the neck artery. According to him, they never felt a thing and simply bled
> to death. He said that the pigs were pretty smart and you had to conceal
> the knife and anyway, panic spoils the meat - at least that's what he
> thought.

kosher or not, growing animals to eat means you must dispatch them humanely,
and keep in mind, if they weren't grown for food they wouldn't have been
here in the first place. Lee
"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "dsi1" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> What the heck does kosher food have to do with Jiffy > cornbread and hot
> dogs and apple compote? What the heck are you going on
>> about? :-)
> §§§§§§§§§§
>
> He made a point of using Hebrew National Kosher dogs, that's what. I hope
> my pets don't ever read this account of how to kill your friends. I would
> have to be afraid, very afraid.
>

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:23:40 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick
> wrote:

>On Mar 27, 1:24*pm, "Michael (piedmont)" > wrote:
>> i wanted corn dog but didn't want to deep fry, so i used a box of jiffy
>> cornbread, had no eggs, so substituted a 1/4 cup of applesauce (actually
>> used an apple compote made with rum), Hebrew brand dogs preboiled, laid
>> a quarter of each dog into one cup of dough, be done in 10 minutes.
>
>Hope you have something else on stand-by.

I does sound like drunken hillbilly food. State fair corn dogs are
cheap and can be done in the oven.

Lou

On 3/28/2011 4:14 AM, Portland wrote:
>
> I've often thought about that. I don't like the thought of cutting
> the animal's throat while it is conscious. But a quick stab sounds
> OK. But you need to really home in on that artery.

I don't know a thing about killing animals but you're probably cutting
the main artery to the brain while you're cutting the throat. The artery
cut is probably what renders the animal unconscious and kills. I'm not
sure what cutting the throat does.

Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
>
> Some people like kosher hot dogs because of the flavor. We do.

At one point I benchmarked a bunch of brands of hot dog. All of the
kosher brands and a couple of non-kosher brands were all tied at the
top. A lot of other brands weren't as good.

To me it's easy. I get the kosher brands because it's a simple way to
get the better tasting brands.

On 3/28/2011 1:19 PM, Portland wrote:

> I think that much human communication is non-verbal, or somewhat
> verbal. For example, tone of voice means a lot. I rely on reading
> people's body language more than I rely on what comes out of their
> mouths. My survival depends on it.

You're right about this. We can create powerful imagery out of words -
essentially, create reality out of thin air. The flip side of this is
that a lot of times our intent is to deceive and hide the truth.

I can certainly appreciate a guy that's able to see the fronts that
humans put up. Congrats.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:36:18 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 3/28/2011 1:19 PM, Portland wrote:
>
>> I think that much human communication is non-verbal, or somewhat
>> verbal. For example, tone of voice means a lot. I rely on reading
>> people's body language more than I rely on what comes out of their
>> mouths. My survival depends on it.
>
>You're right about this. We can create powerful imagery out of words -
>essentially, create reality out of thin air. The flip side of this is
>that a lot of times our intent is to deceive and hide the truth.
>
>I can certainly appreciate a guy that's able to see the fronts that
>humans put up. Congrats.

Isn't that a fact? I call it listening to my inner voice. Whenever I'm
uneasy around someone, I put myself on guard near them. It's always,
and I mean ALWAYS turned out right. They turned out to have a hidden
agenda that was detrimental to my well-being.

The few times in my life that I ignored my inner voice, it cost me in
trouble later. Then I said "Damnit, I should have listened to myself!"

Quite often, our minds *see* something our eyes don't. Then our mind
tries to warn us.

Landon > wrote:

>Quite often, our minds *see* something our eyes don't. Then our mind
>tries to warn us.

This only happens for certain Jungian personality types.



Steve

On 3/28/2011 3:15 PM, Landon wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:36:18 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 3/28/2011 1:19 PM, Portland wrote:
>>
>>> I think that much human communication is non-verbal, or somewhat
>>> verbal. For example, tone of voice means a lot. I rely on reading
>>> people's body language more than I rely on what comes out of their
>>> mouths. My survival depends on it.
>>
>> You're right about this. We can create powerful imagery out of words -
>> essentially, create reality out of thin air. The flip side of this is
>> that a lot of times our intent is to deceive and hide the truth.
>>
>> I can certainly appreciate a guy that's able to see the fronts that
>> humans put up. Congrats.
>
> Isn't that a fact? I call it listening to my inner voice. Whenever I'm
> uneasy around someone, I put myself on guard near them. It's always,
> and I mean ALWAYS turned out right. They turned out to have a hidden
> agenda that was detrimental to my well-being.

The power of language is strong and it tends to override the facial and
body cues of the deceitful. I have heard that there are people with
certain types of brain damage called "aphasia" that renders them unable
to speak. Some of them have the uncanny ability to spot persons that are
lying - a very useful skill, paid for at a very heavy price.

Your inner voice may be hundreds of thousands of years of human
evolution speaking dimly to you. It would be great to bring that voice
more to the forefront. I think we're just beginning to recognize this
hidden ability from our past - maybe one day, we'll be able to train
ourselves to do just that.

>
> The few times in my life that I ignored my inner voice, it cost me in
> trouble later. Then I said "Damnit, I should have listened to myself!"
>
> Quite often, our minds *see* something our eyes don't. Then our mind
> tries to warn us.

On Mar 29, 2:32*am, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Portland wrote:
> > Look who's ranting ranter. *And I'll use whatever animal I please.
>
> That's fine. *I'm just warning you not to go into the Kosher Hot Dog
> business with those pigs of yours. *If your hired Rabbi doesn't catch
> it, you'll be confronted with some serious lawsuits from devout Jews
> and Muslims.
>
> Ignorance of the law is not a defense. *And claiming "Religious
> Freedom" won't work.
>

I blame society.

> -sw

On Mar 29, 2:40*am, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:14:07 -0700 (PDT), Portland wrote:
> > I've often thought about that. *I don't like the thought of cutting
> > the animal's throat while it is conscious. *But a quick stab sounds
> > OK. *But you need to really home in on that artery.
>
> So now you're saying it's OK after that rant of yours? *You are easy
> persuaded. *Got any money I can borrow?
>

No. There's a difference between slicing open a throat, or just
jabbing the artery.

> -sw

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:35:50 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:07:12 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
>> A neighbor used to just shoot, then slit, and let them walk around
>> rutting until they laid down. They never appeared to notice a thing,
>> rutting around right up the end.
>
>The pig farmer I knew used a rife and it dispatched the pig. Perhaps
>it's the difference between .22 short and .22 long.
>
>I don't understand why in your example the pig wasn't at least stunned
>by the round if he/she was still walking around.

They were stunned-- for a couple minutes. Then got up like nothing
had happened & went about their business.

Jim

On Mar 29, 2:39*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Portland wrote:
> > On Mar 29, 2:40*am, Sqwertz > wrote:
> >> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:14:07 -0700 (PDT), Portland wrote:
> >>> I've often thought about that. *I don't like the thought of cutting
> >>> the animal's throat while it is conscious. *But a quick stab sounds
> >>> OK. *But you need to really home in on that artery.
>
> >> So now you're saying it's OK after that rant of yours? *You are easy
> >> persuaded. *Got any money I can borrow?
>
> > No. *There's a difference between slicing open a throat, or just
> > jabbing the artery.
>
> Where was slicing the throat open mentioned? *Halal butchers do not do
> that.
>

I thought Kosher slaughtering meant that the throat was sliced open.
If I'm wrong, then once again I blame society.

> -sw

Sqwertz wrote:
> In the first place, a bullet to the forehead usually spells D-E-A-T-H
> to the brain. Which makes the heart stop. Which pumps the blood out
> of the pig. If the brain is dead then the ig isn't going to bleed to
> death - it;s already dead.
>
> Second, and most importantly of all: Kosher hot dogs are made out of
> BEEF, never pork. Cattle are stunned with a bolt to the brain before
> bloodletting, so the heart still pumps blood out the cow efficiently
> and "humanely". the bolt isn't all always foolproof, but it's cheaper
> than heroin.


You wanna explain how using a bolt gun is *any* different than a .22
between the eyes?

(We stunned our pigs with a .22, flipped them over, and stuck a
butcher knife in their aorta. Heart was still beating)

-Bob

zxcvbob > wrote:

>You wanna explain how using a bolt gun is *any* different than a .22
>between the eyes?

Is it a larger caliber?


S.

He neither stunned the pig or cut their throat to
slaughter them. He would kneel alongside them and hold them close to him
to make sure they're calm and then quickly jab them with a sharp knife
in the neck artery. According to him, they never felt a thing and simply
bled to death. He said that the pigs were pretty smart and you had to
conceal the knife and anyway, panic spoils the meatHe would kneel alongside them and hold them close to him
to make sure they're calm and then quickly jab them with a sharp knife in
the neck artery. According to him,