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On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:27:52 -0600 in rec.food.cooking, Sqwertz
> wrote,
>Maybe you did it that way, but my doctors don't. More than once a
>doctor has asked me what kind of insurance I have when he's about to
>prescribe something.
>
>Why would they do that if it was only a matter of the most appropriate
>drug for the situation?


The situation includes such factors as "Is the drug so expensive
that the patient won't get the prescription filled when he finds
out?" Doctors have noticed that that is detrimental to the
effectiveness of treatment.



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On 2/26/2011 4:34 PM, Hoges in WA wrote:
> On 27/02/2011 1:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:
>> On 2/26/2011 6:11 AM, Hoges in WA wrote:
>>> Would someone be kind enough to tell me what the following cost in
>>> the US
>>> 1. Diabex 500
>>> 2. Coplavix 75/100
>>> 3. Caduet 5/80
>>>
>>> Also, do you need a scrip to buy them in the US or can you get them over
>>> the counter?
>>>
>>> I've tried googling but get heaps of commentary but no hard data.
>>>
>>> Obviously, as in all these cases, I'm asking for a friend.
>>>
>>> Ah, who cares. it's tubby old me that needs to know.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to work out if it's worth bringing the maximum 6 months'
>>> supply with me or not.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Hoges in WA (as in Western Australia, not Washington. But soon to be
>>> Hoges in Fla. as in Florida)

>> You will need a scrip, probably from a US doctor in order to buy any
>> of them. I have some doubts that Diabex is available, most available
>> is straight metformin. If I were only going to be here six months I
>> would bring the supply with me in a sealed container and be sure you
>> have a copy of the script with you to get through customs.
>>
>> I took metformin for years but have been on Lantus and Novolog for
>> about ten years now with much better control of my blood glucose.
>>
>> George in Loosyanna

> I'm only must into the "red zone" for type 2 so the doc and I are still
> at odds about taking anything. Trouble is, he keeps making exercise a
> condition of backing off?
> Hoges


I have a 75 year old friend who takes nothing for his Type 2, he is
skinny as a rail, eats very little and hates to take meds. He's been
doing this for at least 20 years but still fears he will have to take
meds soon. Exercise helps to burn off the sugars in your body and keeps
your need for insulin down. I don't exercise much because strokes have
affected one leg and one arm, sort of slows me down a lot.
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On 2/26/2011 4:49 PM, Hoges in WA wrote:
> On 27/02/2011 5:05 AM, Kent wrote:
>> "Hoges in > wrote in message
>> pond.com...
>>> Would someone be kind enough to tell me what the following cost in
>>> the US
>>> 1. Diabex 500
>>> 2. Coplavix 75/100
>>> 3. Caduet 5/80
>>>
>>> Also, do you need a scrip to buy them in the US or can you get them over
>>> the counter?
>>>
>>> I've tried googling but get heaps of commentary but no hard data.
>>>
>>> Obviously, as in all these cases, I'm asking for a friend.
>>>
>>> Ah, who cares. it's tubby old me that needs to know.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to work out if it's worth bringing the maximum 6 months'
>>> supply
>>> with me or not.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Hoges in WA (as in Western Australia, not Washington. But soon to be
>>> Hoges in Fla. as in Florida)
>>>
>>>

>> All Perscription and some OTC drugs cost substantially more in the US
>> than
>> anywhere in the world, frequently by a factor of three to one. Make sure
>> what you're bringing will pass US Customs. Rarely they may not allow
>> something and that would be a horror for you.
>>
>> Have a great trip. I've never met an Aussie that wasn't a friend almost
>> immediately.
>>
>> Kent

> Thanks. So much to organise. We've got our house mostly cleaned out and
> rented from 12th March. Got the US Visas (gave us 5-year ones). Got most
> of the packing done.
> Haven't booked the airline yet - punting on it being cheaper closer to
> the day. Then it's LA for a camper van and over the bottom to Miami.
> Hoges in WA


You taking Interstate 10 to Florida? You will go right by where I live,
stop by and I'll make some coffee. My email isn't munged. I worked with
Ozzies in Saudi, most were nice people.
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On 2/26/2011 5:51 PM, Omelet wrote:
> In . bigpond.com>,
> Hoges in > wrote:
>
>> Would someone be kind enough to tell me what the following cost in the US
>> 1. Diabex 500
>> 2. Coplavix 75/100
>> 3. Caduet 5/80
>>
>> Also, do you need a scrip to buy them in the US or can you get them over
>> the counter?
>>
>> I've tried googling but get heaps of commentary but no hard data.
>>
>> Obviously, as in all these cases, I'm asking for a friend.
>>
>> Ah, who cares. it's tubby old me that needs to know.
>>
>> I'm trying to work out if it's worth bringing the maximum 6 months'
>> supply with me or not.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Hoges in WA (as in Western Australia, not Washington. But soon to be
>> Hoges in Fla. as in Florida)

>
> I've heard that Mexico is cheaper for most Rx's than the US, and so is
> Canada.


Just about anywhere in the world is cheaper than the US Om. The
manufacturers are protected by patents and laws. When I lived outside
the US all my medical costs were about half what they are here and I
paid cash up front. In some cases here I can pay cash for medical care
and get a 50% discount immediately because the medical people don't have
to deal with the insurance companies and/or the gubmint.


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In article >,
says...
>
> On 2/26/2011 4:49 PM, Hoges in WA wrote:
> > On 27/02/2011 5:05 AM, Kent wrote:
> >> "Hoges in > wrote in message
> >> pond.com...
> >>> Would someone be kind enough to tell me what the following cost in
> >>> the US
> >>> 1. Diabex 500
> >>> 2. Coplavix 75/100
> >>> 3. Caduet 5/80
> >>>
> >>> Also, do you need a scrip to buy them in the US or can you get them over
> >>> the counter?
> >>>
> >>> I've tried googling but get heaps of commentary but no hard data.
> >>>
> >>> Obviously, as in all these cases, I'm asking for a friend.
> >>>
> >>> Ah, who cares. it's tubby old me that needs to know.
> >>>
> >>> I'm trying to work out if it's worth bringing the maximum 6 months'
> >>> supply
> >>> with me or not.
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> Hoges in WA (as in Western Australia, not Washington. But soon to be
> >>> Hoges in Fla. as in Florida)
> >>>
> >>>
> >> All Perscription and some OTC drugs cost substantially more in the US
> >> than
> >> anywhere in the world, frequently by a factor of three to one. Make sure
> >> what you're bringing will pass US Customs. Rarely they may not allow
> >> something and that would be a horror for you.
> >>
> >> Have a great trip. I've never met an Aussie that wasn't a friend almost
> >> immediately.
> >>
> >> Kent

> > Thanks. So much to organise. We've got our house mostly cleaned out and
> > rented from 12th March. Got the US Visas (gave us 5-year ones). Got most
> > of the packing done.
> > Haven't booked the airline yet - punting on it being cheaper closer to
> > the day. Then it's LA for a camper van and over the bottom to Miami.
> > Hoges in WA

>
> You taking Interstate 10 to Florida? You will go right by where I live,
> stop by and I'll make some coffee. My email isn't munged. I worked with
> Ozzies in Saudi, most were nice people.


We have (actually a friends we can use anytime) a little vacation place
on the intersect of 10 and 75.. Nice area...
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"J. Clarke" wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:31:51 -0800, "Kent" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A pharmacy cannot
> > > accept a prescription unless it was written by someone licensed that that
> > > state.

> >
> > I didn't know that!

>
> Neither do the state legislatures in the states where I checked the
> statutes.
>
> Maine: Out of state prescriptions specifically allowed provide the
> pharmacist calls the prescribing physician.
>
> Arkansas: No specific statements concerning where the practitioner must
> be licensed.
>
> California: Schedule III, IV, and V controlled substance out of state
> prescriptions are explicitly allowed, Schedule II the rules are too
> complicated for me to be willing to wade through for an Internet post.
>
> New York: Out of state prescription explicitly allowed.
>
> I can find no reliable information that _any_ state has such a
> prohibition in force.
>
> In most states though pharmacists have broad discretion and most require
> that the prescription contain specific information--if it's not all
> there then the pharmacist won't fill the prescription and many get
> sticky about Schedule II.
>
> > > However, it appears that the feds and some states have changed that,
> > > I'm sure, because of the internet.

>
> > Whew.


When my overseas relatives used to come visit us in the US, they were
able to get a *small* supply of their Rx meds if they ran out. They
always had the original packaging and a copy of the original Rx.
Basically enough of the meds to get them home again. Can't comment on
the legality but the pharmacists were generally helpful.
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:58:14 -0700, Arri London >
wrote:

>
>
>"J. Clarke" wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:31:51 -0800, "Kent" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > A pharmacy cannot
>> > > accept a prescription unless it was written by someone licensed that that
>> > > state.
>> >
>> > I didn't know that!

>>
>> Neither do the state legislatures in the states where I checked the
>> statutes.
>>
>> Maine: Out of state prescriptions specifically allowed provide the
>> pharmacist calls the prescribing physician.
>>
>> Arkansas: No specific statements concerning where the practitioner must
>> be licensed.
>>
>> California: Schedule III, IV, and V controlled substance out of state
>> prescriptions are explicitly allowed, Schedule II the rules are too
>> complicated for me to be willing to wade through for an Internet post.
>>
>> New York: Out of state prescription explicitly allowed.
>>
>> I can find no reliable information that _any_ state has such a
>> prohibition in force.
>>
>> In most states though pharmacists have broad discretion and most require
>> that the prescription contain specific information--if it's not all
>> there then the pharmacist won't fill the prescription and many get
>> sticky about Schedule II.
>>
>> > > However, it appears that the feds and some states have changed that,
>> > > I'm sure, because of the internet.

>>
>> > Whew.

>
>When my overseas relatives used to come visit us in the US, they were
>able to get a *small* supply of their Rx meds if they ran out. They
>always had the original packaging and a copy of the original Rx.
>Basically enough of the meds to get them home again. Can't comment on
>the legality but the pharmacists were generally helpful.


When I lived in Belize the pharmacist there didn't require a script,
folks just asked for what they wanted and it was handed over with no
writing on it whatsoever. The pharmacist would prescribe too, just
say what was bothering you. Some folks went to the pharmacist, some
went to the medicine women. Doctors there weren't too good... when I
was suffering with horrid pain I was sent for an x-ray, the oldest
antique x-ray machiune I ever saw, all made of wood, probably an
original Roentgen. When the Dr looked at the film he pointed out what
he said was a gall stone. When I brought the film back to the the US
and showed it to my regular doctor he informed me that was not a gall
stone, it was the end view of a blood vessel.
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Brooklyn1 wrote:

> When I lived in Belize the pharmacist there didn't require a script,
> folks just asked for what they wanted and it was handed over with no
> writing on it whatsoever. The pharmacist would prescribe too, just
> say what was bothering you. Some folks went to the pharmacist, some
> went to the medicine women. Doctors there weren't too good... when I
> was suffering with horrid pain I was sent for an x-ray, the oldest
> antique x-ray machiune I ever saw, all made of wood, probably an
> original Roentgen. When the Dr looked at the film he pointed out what
> he said was a gall stone. When I brought the film back to the the US
> and showed it to my regular doctor he informed me that was not a gall
> stone, it was the end view of a blood vessel.


I can vouch for that as I was in Belize earlier this month and stopped
in the pharmacy. They really entice and catered to vactioners though and
I didn't see any locals there. I was pretty amazed at what could be
purchased over the counter. The pharmacist was an American from New
Orleans, not that that matters, I guess?

Speaking of xrays- I lived right down the road from the building where
Roentgen invented/discovered xrays in Wurzburg, Germany. There was a big
designation on the building about it. What a coincidence that you
mentioned it.
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On Feb 26, 3:08*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>
> news >
>
>
> > On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:11:12 +0800, Hoges in WA wrote:

>
> >> Would someone be kind enough to tell me what the following cost in the US
> >> 1. *Diabex 500
> >> 2. Coplavix 75/100
> >> 3. Caduet 5/80

>
> >> Also, do you need a scrip to buy them in the US or can you get them over
> >> the counter?

>
> >> I've tried googling but get heaps of commentary but no hard data.

>
> >> Obviously, as in all these cases, I'm asking for a friend.

>
> >> Ah, who cares. *it's tubby old me that needs to know.

>
> >> I'm trying to work out if it's worth bringing the maximum 6 months'
> >> supply with me or not.

>
> > There is no guarantee that a doctor in the U.S. will write you the
> > same scripts you have in Australia. *It all depends on which drugs
> > he's "promoting" at the time you see him (and any medical insurance
> > you have). *Some drugs are probably not even available in the U.S. and
> > vice verso.

>
> > So bring your own drugs.

>
> > -sw

>
> That's going a little far Sqwertz. Physicians don't promote drugs. They
> prescribe what works with the least side effect.


Oh, really. You go into a doctor's office and the pens, clock, tissue
boxes, notepads, and EVERYTHING has, say, "Lunesta" on them. You're
there for, an instance, insomnia. What do you think you will be
prescribed that day?

Also, check out when you're there for your appointment and the pharma
rep is there. Yeah, right.

Doctors are salesmen, the same as the salesmen that sell cars and
large appliances.



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On Feb 26, 7:27*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:08:02 -0800, Kent wrote:
> > "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >news

>
> >> There is no guarantee that a doctor in the U.S. will write you the
> >> same scripts you have in Australia. *It all depends on which drugs
> >> he's "promoting" at the time you see him (and any medical insurance
> >> you have). *Some drugs are probably not even available in the U.S. and
> >> vice verso.

>
> >> So bring your own drugs.

>
> > That's going a little far Sqwertz. Physicians don't promote drugs. They
> > prescribe what works with the least side effect.

>
> Maybe you did it that way, but my doctors don't. *More than once a
> doctor has asked me what kind of insurance I have when he's about to
> prescribe something.
>
> Why would they do that if it was only a matter of the most appropriate
> drug for the situation?


Yes, that has happened to me, and also my husband more than once.
"What kind of insurance do you have?" Then the reply, and out comes
the script pad! They're salesmen, pushers.
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> On Feb 26, 3:08 pm, "Kent" > wrote:
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message


>>> There is no guarantee that a doctor in the U.S. will write you the
>>> same scripts you have in Australia. It all depends on which drugs
>>> he's "promoting" at the time you see him (and any medical insurance
>>> you have).


>> That's going a little far Sqwertz. Physicians don't promote drugs.
>> They prescribe what works with the least side effect.

>
> Oh, really. You go into a doctor's office and the pens, clock, tissue
> boxes, notepads, and EVERYTHING has, say, "Lunesta" on them. You're
> there for, an instance, insomnia. What do you think you will be
> prescribed that day?
>
> Also, check out when you're there for your appointment and the pharma
> rep is there. Yeah, right.
>
> Doctors are salesmen, the same as the salesmen that sell cars and
> large appliances.


When my former sil was in pre-med, she was a very idealistic young
woman. And charismatic, I guess that's how she got a bunch of her
classmates to refuse all the textbooks/supplies/whatever from drug
companies. My fil wasn't all that thrilled since that meant he had to
pay for them. Heh. It starts that soon, the drug companies schmoozing
the doctors.

nancy

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Nancy Young wrote:

> When my former sil was in pre-med, she was a very idealistic young
> woman. And charismatic, I guess that's how she got a bunch of her
> classmates to refuse all the textbooks/supplies/whatever from drug
> companies. My fil wasn't all that thrilled since that meant he had to
> pay for them. Heh. It starts that soon, the drug companies schmoozing
> the doctors.
>
> nancy
>


Not to worry. The drug companies have a new agreement and have since
stopped with the *gimmes* as of last year.
My pen supply is dwindling, LOL.
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In article >,
says...
>
> projectile vomit chick wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 3:08 pm, "Kent" > wrote:
> >> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message

>
> >>> There is no guarantee that a doctor in the U.S. will write you the
> >>> same scripts you have in Australia. It all depends on which drugs
> >>> he's "promoting" at the time you see him (and any medical insurance
> >>> you have).

>
> >> That's going a little far Sqwertz. Physicians don't promote drugs.
> >> They prescribe what works with the least side effect.

> >
> > Oh, really. You go into a doctor's office and the pens, clock, tissue
> > boxes, notepads, and EVERYTHING has, say, "Lunesta" on them. You're
> > there for, an instance, insomnia. What do you think you will be
> > prescribed that day?
> >
> > Also, check out when you're there for your appointment and the pharma
> > rep is there. Yeah, right.
> >
> > Doctors are salesmen, the same as the salesmen that sell cars and
> > large appliances.

>
> When my former sil was in pre-med, she was a very idealistic young
> woman. And charismatic, I guess that's how she got a bunch of her
> classmates to refuse all the textbooks/supplies/whatever from drug
> companies. My fil wasn't all that thrilled since that meant he had to
> pay for them. Heh. It starts that soon, the drug companies schmoozing
> the doctors.


Do all the drug companies do it? If so then how does it influence
physicians to choose one product over another? Is the physician paid in
proportion to the number of prescriptions he writes for a given
medication? How does the pharmaceutical company know?

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:57:41 -0500, Goomba >
wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> When I lived in Belize the pharmacist there didn't require a script,
>> folks just asked for what they wanted and it was handed over with no
>> writing on it whatsoever. The pharmacist would prescribe too, just
>> say what was bothering you. Some folks went to the pharmacist, some
>> went to the medicine women. Doctors there weren't too good... when I
>> was suffering with horrid pain I was sent for an x-ray, the oldest
>> antique x-ray machine I ever saw, all made of wood, probably an
>> original Roentgen. When the Dr looked at the film he pointed out what
>> he said was a gall stone. When I brought the film back to the the US
>> and showed it to my regular doctor he informed me that was not a gall
>> stone, it was the end view of a blood vessel.

>
>I can vouch for that as I was in Belize earlier this month and stopped
>in the pharmacy. They really entice and catered to vactioners though and
>I didn't see any locals there. I was pretty amazed at what could be
>purchased over the counter. The pharmacist was an American from New
>Orleans, not that that matters, I guess?
>
>Speaking of xrays- I lived right down the road from the building where
>Roentgen invented/discovered xrays in Wurzburg, Germany. There was a big
>designation on the building about it. What a coincidence that you
>mentioned it.


While I lived in California I went to school for x-ray technologist
under the GI Bill... once I got my license and actually began working
as a tech it was at UCLA Medical Center, Pediatrics... by the third
new born spina bifida I knew I couldn't handle it... I moved on to
x-ray machine installation/maintenence with Siemens. I learned all
about old Wilhelm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_R%C3%B6ntgen

A couple of days ago when folks were discussing TP roll size I
remembered the Rose's TP factory in Belize so I looked it up, what a
surprise... the Land I bought there back then belonged to that family.
They've moved on from that tiny factory. This is precisely the type of
employer that the Obama Putz wants to tax out of business:
http://www.rosessouthwest.com/about.cfm


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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:57:08 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>
>> Not to worry. The drug companies have a new agreement and have since
>> stopped with the *gimmes* as of last year.
>> My pen supply is dwindling, LOL.

>
> Do you have any of those wind-up spermies that wiggle and move
> forward? Damns kids broke mine.
>
> -sw


dang.. no I don't. But it sounds like something I wish I'd had!
Nowadays the pharm reps can provide dinner and educational programs but
nothing along the line of pens, tote bags or other often useful gimmes.
I have a couple of favorite long levels I use at work provided by one
company. They are useful! My other favorite gimme is a pair of
fluorescent green Crocs from GE.
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In article >,
Goomba > wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:57:08 -0500, Goomba wrote:
> >
> >> Not to worry. The drug companies have a new agreement and have since
> >> stopped with the *gimmes* as of last year.
> >> My pen supply is dwindling, LOL.

> >
> > Do you have any of those wind-up spermies that wiggle and move
> > forward? Damns kids broke mine.
> >
> > -sw

>
> dang.. no I don't. But it sounds like something I wish I'd had!
> Nowadays the pharm reps can provide dinner and educational programs but
> nothing along the line of pens, tote bags or other often useful gimmes.


Those might be seen as evidence that you're on the take. "-)

> I have a couple of favorite long levels I use at work provided by one
> company. They are useful! My other favorite gimme is a pair of
> fluorescent green Crocs from GE.




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On 2/28/2011 1:40 PM, Goomba wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:57:08 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>>
>>> Not to worry. The drug companies have a new agreement and have since
>>> stopped with the *gimmes* as of last year.
>>> My pen supply is dwindling, LOL.

>>
>> Do you have any of those wind-up spermies that wiggle and move
>> forward? Damns kids broke mine.
>>
>> -sw

>
> dang.. no I don't. But it sounds like something I wish I'd had!
> Nowadays the pharm reps can provide dinner and educational programs but
> nothing along the line of pens, tote bags or other often useful gimmes.
> I have a couple of favorite long levels I use at work provided by one
> company. They are useful! My other favorite gimme is a pair of
> fluorescent green Crocs from GE.


A number of doctors in our area have banned them bringing food in at
all, used to be some pharm rep hauling grub into the office every day
around noon. I still see plenty of pens, note pads, exam couch covers
with logos, etc. around here.

Our son is the purchasing manager at a large hospital in Houston, TX. He
says a decent drug rep can make a quarter million a year selling in the
area. He buys many millions of dollars worth of drugs each year and
steadfastly refuses any perks from the reps, says quickest way for a
purchasing manager to get a bad rep.

Most of the reps I see coming into the doctors offices here are
attractive young women or men, don't see many old, ugly folks doing that
job I guess. Either that or they made their fortunes before they got old
and ugly. <G>

I do appreciate the free drug samples they give my doctors, particularly
if they're ones I use on a daily basis.
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