On 24/02/2011 9:57 AM, Nancy2 wrote:

> Seeing the video of her on the stretcher coming out of her house, I'd
> say she was certainly pretty much normal-sized....no huge obesity
> showing.
>
> She had a large pizza every day - I bet she ate some of it for lunch,
> and some of it for dinner.
>

The woman ate pizza everyday and she fell down and could not get up?
Should we be surprised?

In article . com>,
says...
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > On 24/02/2011 6:18 AM, ViLco wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Unluckily, when McDonald's first came to my town we were in the end of the
> > > 90's and all was as you found it few years ago, so no
> > > McDonald's-good-old-days for us, just what you see now.
> > > Did I write unluckily? Heh, maybe it's been the opposite...
> >
> > MacDonalds was late arriving in our town, It is probably one of the
> > least profitable outlets in the franchise. Given my unappreciative view
> > of MacDonald's view, I am always surprised to see so many people at
> > them. Not this one. I can't help but notice that there is rarely anyone
> > there.
>
> I don't think the McDonald's brand will ever go away, but I think they
> are doing fairly well with their other non McD branded brands (list not
> handy).

McDonalds made their fortune through great planning. The thing I
remember most traveling around the country (yes, I was a traveling
hippie) was placement. No matter where you went, the McDonalds always
had the best corner, with the best access compared to any other chain.
This was pretty much universal as they usually hit the town first. Funny
how things go though. The one down the street (one I grew up with) had
the great access for decades but now with the stimulus bill and
everybody scattering to spend it before it got taken back, the town
wasted a bunch of money on islands, lights, and bushes in the middle of
the road directing traffic right by the place, already you can see the
customer base dwindling with the Burger king, KFC, Tacobell, with much
less annoying entrances and exits/accessability within a few hundred
yards. Oh and a gas station already closed as all of the traffic is now
directed to the one across the street... It's all about placement.
People are too lazy to make the u-turn and left across traffic to get to
these places now. Either way, I often wonder if this one is gonna' make
it.

On 2011-02-23, ImStillMags > wrote:

> It's a good skewering of the fast food giant.

More like a lazy shot at a stationary target. Pillorying McD's is
like denouncing crime. Does this yo-yo write about anything of
current social value?

nb

In article . com>,
says...
>
> Cheryl wrote:
> >
> > On 2/23/2011 9:01 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > > There's an old joke that goes "call an ambulance, call the police, and
> > > order a pizza--see which comes first". Looks like this time the pizza
> > > was there before the call.
> > >
> > > Well done Dominos--give that lady a raise.
> > >
> >
> > My own mom has a balance problem and bad knees and now that's she's
> > alone (dad died a year and a half ago) us kids bought her a home
> > security system and I insisted on one of those pendants that you push
> > that calls 911 if you're in trouble. We got her in the habit of keeping
> > her cell phone in her pocket but a button to push without having to talk
> > is better. We had a talk recently about it and I'm glad we did. She
> > thought the pendant would work everywhere, but it's wirelessly connected
> > to the home security system, so now she knows it won't work from a
> > certain distance from home.
>
> Most current cell phones have a one button programmable 911 type
> function, usually just holding the send button down for more than 3
> seconds. Since all current cell phones also have position reporting,
> even without saying anything, an emergency response can be dispatched.

I got a virgin mobile phone for my dad. He had to press one button then
he could just say one of our names to call us, or "help" would initiate
a 911 call with voice activation.

ImStillMags wrote:
> "A more accurate description than “100% natural whole-grain oats,”
> “plump raisins,” “sweet cranberries” and “crisp fresh apples” would be
> “oats, sugar, sweetened dried fruit, cream and 11 weird ingredients
> you would never keep in your kitchen.”
>
> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...meal-wrong/?hp
>
> He goes on in the article to talk about why take a perfectly easy,
> natural thing to cook and make it unhealthy by adding stuff most
> people wouldn't eat if they knew what it was.
>
> It's a good skewering of the fast food giant.
>
> ....
>
> The last paragraph is a doozy.
>
> "Here’s the thing: McDonald’s wants to get people in the store. Once a
> day, once a week, once a month, the more the better, of course, but
> routinely. And if you buy oatmeal, they’re o.k. with that. But they
> know that, once inside, you’ll probably opt for a sausage biscuit
> anyway.
>
> And you won’t be much worse off. "

Good blog, IMHO.

I've been traveling a lot by car lately, which means highway rest stops,
but so far, I'm doing pretty well in the avoiding-fast-food department.
My main purchase is coffee from Starbucks - a medium-sized cup of their
milder Pike blend, which I ask for in a large-sized cup, and to which I
add a lot of half-and-half. My general opinion of their coffee is that
it would make fine paint stripper.

I had one Burger King item - a cheeseburger, which cost me $1.38
including what tax Pennsylvania charges.

And I had one candy bar - a four-pack of Mounds. I remain convinced,
for myself at least, that if you're going to eat sweets, you ought to go
whole hog and have what you want. The clerk told me that they were one
for $2, or two for $2.50, so I bought _two_ four-packs of Mounds and
brought the other one home and had it a couple of days ago.

It was interesting to note that, for reasons I assume are primarily due
to salt, after being away from Friday afternoon to Monday night, when I
weighed myself Tuesday morning, I had gained 5 lbs. Today is Friday and
my weight is back to normal - I didn't do anything other than just eat
as I normally do at home, and the weight just went away at the rate of a
pound or two a day. Well, interesting to me, anyway. I sometimes have
ear problems - ringing, dizziness, etc. - and all that water retention
definitely makes it worse - today's the first day I feel normal again.

-S-

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:02:49 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> Most current cell phones have a one button programmable 911 type
> function, usually just holding the send button down for more than 3
> seconds. Since all current cell phones also have position reporting,
> even without saying anything, an emergency response can be dispatched.

I need to go to my local Verizon kiosk and find out about this feature
on my phone.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:09:04 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> Kudos to that woman who insisted on stopping by. She told her
> manager You can take me off the clock if you want to, but I have
> to check. She has a big heart.

Good for her!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 24/02/2011 9:57 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> > Seeing the video of her on the stretcher coming out of her house, I'd
> > say she was certainly pretty much normal-sized....no huge obesity
> > showing.
> >
> > She had a large pizza every day - I bet she ate some of it for lunch,
> > and some of it for dinner.
> >
>
> The woman ate pizza everyday and she fell down and could not get up?
> Should we be surprised?

If that was the only food she ate, lunch and dinner basically, and she
didn't order the grease lovers special, it's not unhealthy. Pizza =
bread with some combination of vegetables, fruits, meats and dairy.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:08:57 -0500 in rec.food.cooking, Dave Smith
> wrote,
>On 24/02/2011 9:57 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
>> Seeing the video of her on the stretcher coming out of her house, I'd
>> say she was certainly pretty much normal-sized....no huge obesity
>> showing.
>>
>> She had a large pizza every day - I bet she ate some of it for lunch,
>> and some of it for dinner.
>>
>
>The woman ate pizza everyday and she fell down and could not get up?
>Should we be surprised?

I'm sure everybody will be very sympathetic when you get old and
feeble too... NOT. Has nothing to do with pizza.

"I_am_Tosk" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> I_am_Tosk wrote:
>>
>> > The last time I did McDonalds was about three years ago when I walked
>> > in
>> > go get a burger, fries, and shake for the three of us, and it came to
>> > 26
>> > dollars!
>>
>> Those numbers just don't compute? How many burgers were you ordering for
>> each person???
>
> Well, If I remember correctly it was three "meals" (big mac, quarter
> pounder, etc..), Supersized, with Shakes instead of soda, and probably
> three extra regular sized cheesburgers.

Sorry but refer to your quote above. You DID say "three extra regular sized
cheesburgers". I still have no idea what you meant by that. Extra regular?
Or did you order three extra cheeseburgers?

I haven't eaten at McDonald's in years. My mother wanted a milkshake there
once and I was astonished at the price!

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "I_am_Tosk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> I_am_Tosk wrote:
> >>
> >> > The last time I did McDonalds was about three years ago when I walked
> >> > in
> >> > go get a burger, fries, and shake for the three of us, and it came to
> >> > 26
> >> > dollars!
> >>
> >> Those numbers just don't compute? How many burgers were you ordering for
> >> each person???
> >
> > Well, If I remember correctly it was three "meals" (big mac, quarter
> > pounder, etc..), Supersized, with Shakes instead of soda, and probably
> > three extra regular sized cheesburgers.
>
> Sorry but refer to your quote above. You DID say "three extra regular sized
> cheesburgers". I still have no idea what you meant by that. Extra regular?
> Or did you order three extra cheeseburgers?
>
> I haven't eaten at McDonald's in years. My mother wanted a milkshake there
> once and I was astonished at the price!
>
> Jill

"Three extra (extra as in addition to the contents of the combo meals)
regular sized (as opposed to quarter pounder sized) cheeseburgers
(burger patty topped with a slice of cheese and sandwiched in a bun)".

His statement was entirely clear to virtually everyone here.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "I_am_Tosk" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> I_am_Tosk wrote:
>>>
>>> > The last time I did McDonalds was about three years ago when I
>>> walked > in
>>> > go get a burger, fries, and shake for the three of us, and it came
>>> to > 26
>>> > dollars!
>>>
>>> Those numbers just don't compute? How many burgers were you ordering for
>>> each person???
>>
>> Well, If I remember correctly it was three "meals" (big mac, quarter
>> pounder, etc..), Supersized, with Shakes instead of soda, and probably
>> three extra regular sized cheesburgers.
>
> Sorry but refer to your quote above. You DID say "three extra regular
> sized cheesburgers". I still have no idea what you meant by that.
> Extra regular? Or did you order three extra cheeseburgers?
>
> I haven't eaten at McDonald's in years. My mother wanted a milkshake
> there once and I was astonished at the price!
>
> Jill


The ice cream cones there are still a good deal, last time I checked.
I can drive across the country just stopping at McD about every 500
miles for ice cream and a black coffee.

The coffee there is always drinkable. If you buy coffee at a truck
stop or gas station in the afternoon, no telling what you'll get.

Bob

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:38:23 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> His statement was entirely clear to virtually everyone here.

RFC is well known for misunderstandings.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

ImStillMags wrote:
> "A more accurate description than “100% natural whole-grain oats,”
> “plump raisins,” “sweet cranberries” and “crisp fresh apples” would be
> “oats, sugar, sweetened dried fruit, cream and 11 weird ingredients
> you would never keep in your kitchen.”
>
> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...meal-wrong/?hp
>
> He goes on in the article to talk about why take a perfectly easy,
> natural thing to cook and make it unhealthy by adding stuff most
> people wouldn't eat if they knew what it was.
>
> It's a good skewering of the fast food giant.
>
> ....
>
> The last paragraph is a doozy.
>
> "Here’s the thing: McDonald’s wants to get people in the store. Once a
> day, once a week, once a month, the more the better, of course, but
> routinely. And if you buy oatmeal, they’re o.k. with that. But they
> know that, once inside, you’ll probably opt for a sausage biscuit
> anyway.
>
> And you won’t be much worse off. "
>
>
Ooooo. I am liking and respecting Bittman more with each post.
Thanks for the link.

--
Jean B.

In article >,
says...
>
> "I_am_Tosk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> I_am_Tosk wrote:
> >>
> >> > The last time I did McDonalds was about three years ago when I walked
> >> > in
> >> > go get a burger, fries, and shake for the three of us, and it came to
> >> > 26
> >> > dollars!
> >>
> >> Those numbers just don't compute? How many burgers were you ordering for
> >> each person???
> >
> > Well, If I remember correctly it was three "meals" (big mac, quarter
> > pounder, etc..), Supersized, with Shakes instead of soda, and probably
> > three extra regular sized cheesburgers.
>
> Sorry but refer to your quote above. You DID say "three extra regular sized
> cheesburgers". I still have no idea what you meant by that. Extra regular?
> Or did you order three extra cheeseburgers?
>
> I haven't eaten at McDonald's in years. My mother wanted a milkshake there
> once and I was astonished at the price!
>
> Jill

Sorry, I explained quite clearly yesterday, directly to your post. Guess
you are going to have to go back and read the thread... It's right
there...

In article >,
says...
>
> On 23-Feb-2011, I_am_Tosk > wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The communication problem is probably rooted in difficulty understanding
> > > how
> > > three people could consume that much food. Big-ass-burgers, plus
> > > super-sized fries and shakes seems like way too much food for any normal
> > > person; however, that PLUS and additional "regular" cheeseburger just
> > > sounds
> > > gluttonous. Appaarently, that amount food seems normal to you.
> >
> > Apparently you can't read.
>
> Please explain where I went wrong in reading what you wrote:
>
> "I_am_Tosk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> I_am_Tosk wrote:
> >>
> >> > The last time I did McDonalds was about three years ago when I walked
> >> > in
> >> > go get a burger, fries, and shake for the three of us,
>
> unnecessary verbage removed
>
> > Well, If I remember correctly it was three "meals" (big mac, quarter
> > pounder, etc..), Supersized, with Shakes instead of soda, and probably
> > three extra regular sized cheesburgers.
>
> My reading of your words, spread over a couple of posts, indicates:
> - there were three of you
> - you bought three-big-ass meals (big mac, quarter pounder, etc..)
> - Super-sized the fries and drinks
> - the drinks were shakes
> - that still wasn't enough food (only 1750 calories per person, using the
> most conservative calorie counts for the foods indicated, not including
> condiments)
> - you add an additional cheeseburger for each person (another 300 calories)
> or, worse, multiple cheeseburgers to one persons meal
>
> Your purchase was over 2000 calories per person; the average daily calorie
> intake recommended (by the CDC) for the typical woman is 2000 calories,
> 2500 for men.
>
> Where did my reading of your writing fail?

Is there a possibility that you are in the DC area? If you are, my
daughter teaches a great class called "English as a second language" at
American U

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:53:31 -0600, zxcvbob >
> wrote:

>> The ice cream cones there are still a good deal, last time I checked.
>> I can drive across the country just stopping at McD about every 500
>> miles for ice cream and a black coffee.
>>
>> The coffee there is always drinkable. If you buy coffee at a truck
>> stop or gas station in the afternoon, no telling what you'll get.
>>
>> Bob
>
> I don't think McDs sells ice cream, they have soft serve. When I used
> to travel x-country I chose truck stops whenever possible; twice the
> meal for half the price... coffee always fresh and bottomless cup. Oh,
> and truck stops served, and waitresses had Big Mams. hehe


You're right, it's actually soft serve ice milk. But it tastes good,
and it's lower in calories than real ice cream, and it's better soft
serve than Dairy Queen has.

The truck stops where I stop always seem to be set up more like a
convenience store. The coffee is in a self-serve urn, and it might be
fresh or it might not. Pay your dollar and take your chance I guess.

-Bob

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:25:17 -0600, zxcvbob >
wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:53:31 -0600, zxcvbob >
>> wrote:
>
>>> The ice cream cones there are still a good deal, last time I checked.
>>> I can drive across the country just stopping at McD about every 500
>>> miles for ice cream and a black coffee.
>>>
>>> The coffee there is always drinkable. If you buy coffee at a truck
>>> stop or gas station in the afternoon, no telling what you'll get.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> I don't think McDs sells ice cream, they have soft serve. When I used
>> to travel x-country I chose truck stops whenever possible; twice the
>> meal for half the price... coffee always fresh and bottomless cup. Oh,
>> and truck stops served, and waitresses had Big Mams. hehe
>
>
>You're right, it's actually soft serve ice milk. But it tastes good,
>and it's lower in calories than real ice cream, and it's better soft
>serve than Dairy Queen has.
>
>The truck stops where I stop always seem to be set up more like a
>convenience store. The coffee is in a self-serve urn, and it might be
>fresh or it might not. Pay your dollar and take your chance I guess.

What you're describing is a convenience store. Truck stops on the
Interstate are huge affairs, often with in excess of a hundred long
haul tractor trailer rigs parked, they have a fairly large grocery
store where one can buy most anything, full bath facilities (some have
full spas with swimming pools), can even rent a nice motel room, and
there's an over sized diner/restaurant where one can order most
anything to eat, good food/low prices. I've patronized truck stops in
most every state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_stop
This is the Super Walmart of Truck Stops, I've been to its grand
opening and several times thru 1980, must have grown aplenty since
then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_80

In article >,
says...
>
> On 24-Feb-2011, I_am_Tosk > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On 23-Feb-2011, I_am_Tosk > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The communication problem is probably rooted in difficulty
> > > > > understanding
> > > > > how
> > > > > three people could consume that much food. Big-ass-burgers, plus
> > > > > super-sized fries and shakes seems like way too much food for any
> > > > > normal
> > > > > person; however, that PLUS and additional "regular" cheeseburger
> > > > > just
> > > > > sounds
> > > > > gluttonous. Appaarently, that amount food seems normal to you.
> > > >
> > > > Apparently you can't read.
> > >
> > > Please explain where I went wrong in reading what you wrote:
> > >
> > > "I_am_Tosk" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > In article >,
> > > > says...
> > > >>
> > > >> I_am_Tosk wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > The last time I did McDonalds was about three years ago when I
> > > >> > walked
> > > >> > in
> > > >> > go get a burger, fries, and shake for the three of us,
> > >
> > > unnecessary verbage removed
> > >
> > > > Well, If I remember correctly it was three "meals" (big mac, quarter
> > > > pounder, etc..), Supersized, with Shakes instead of soda, and probably
> > > > three extra regular sized cheesburgers.
> > >
> > > My reading of your words, spread over a couple of posts, indicates:
> > > - there were three of you
> > > - you bought three-big-ass meals (big mac, quarter pounder, etc..)
> > > - Super-sized the fries and drinks
> > > - the drinks were shakes
> > > - that still wasn't enough food (only 1750 calories per person, using
> > > the
> > > most conservative calorie counts for the foods indicated, not including
> > > condiments)
> > > - you add an additional cheeseburger for each person (another 300
> > > calories)
> > > or, worse, multiple cheeseburgers to one persons meal
> > >
> > > Your purchase was over 2000 calories per person; the average daily
> > > calorie
> > > intake recommended (by the CDC) for the typical woman is 2000 calories,
> > > 2500 for men.
> > >
> > > Where did my reading of your writing fail?
> >
> > Is there a possibility that you are in the DC area? If you are, my
> > daughter teaches a great class called "English as a second language" at
> > American U
>
> Nice try a-hole; but, your gluttony is spelled out clearly, in your own
> words.

Yeah, Gluttony.. Right. I clearly spelled out in this thread what I
meant, and that the food was not all eaten in one sitting? I also
clearly noted I had not been back to a Md's in over three years! The
offer still stands to get you into a simple comprehension course if you
are interested.

As to your insinuation, my full time job is coaching a prospective
professional athlete and I spend more time on diet and in the gym in a
week than you probably have in a lifetime...

So slim.. When you can spend an hour of cardio for warmup, then 4-6 a
day of training at age 53 like I do, come and talk to me

On Feb 24, 3:21*pm, Andy > wrote:
> ImStillMags > wrote:
> > "A more accurate description than “100% natural whole-grain oats,”
> > “plump raisins,” “sweet cranberries” and “crisp fresh apples” would be
> > “oats, sugar, sweetened dried fruit, cream and 11 weird ingredients
> > you would never keep in your kitchen.”
>
> >http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...-make-oatmeal-
> wro
> > ng/?hp
>
> > He goes on in the article to talk about why take a perfectly easy,
> > natural thing to cook and make it unhealthy by adding stuff most
> > people wouldn't eat if they knew what it was.
>
> > It's a good skewering of the fast food giant.
>
> > ....
>
> > The last paragraph is a doozy.
>
> > "Here’s the thing: McDonald’s wants to get people in the store. Once a
> > day, once a week, once a month, the more the better, of course, but
> > routinely. And if you buy oatmeal, they’re o.k. with that. But they
> > know that, once inside, you’ll probably opt for a sausage biscuit
> > anyway.
>
> > And you won’t be much worse off. "
>
> I'm left wondering why a NY Times food "critic" would even dare step
> foot in a McD!!!
>
> He downgraded himself, if that's what he said.
>
> He downgraded himself!
>
> He's got an upcoming TV cooking show. I'll be sure to watch ONCE and
> then forget all about his stupid balloon headed self.
>
> He should be ashamed of himself and be fired as a NY Times food critic,
> imho!!!
>
> You should critique the best of the best, hopefully, NOT the worst. The
> public knows that already.
>
> Andy- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You obviously don't know much about Mark Bittman. He's not a just
food critic and he's had a cooking show on PBS for a while. His food
column ran in the NYT for years and he has several cookbooks out. I
have a lot of respect for him and he brought simple, clean, healthy
cooking to a lot of people.

His new opinion column is about more than restaurants, it's about the
state of food and nutrition in the US and around the world.

On Feb 24, 4:26*pm, Andy > wrote:
> ImStillMags > wrote:
> > You obviously don't know much about Mark Bittman. *He's not a just
> > food critic and he's had a cooking show on PBS for a while.
>
> I fail to be impressed by a "worst" food critic.
>
> That's easy to do!
>
> Didn't I make my point clear, earlier?
>
> Andy

I have no idea why you are judging him for one column about the crap
oatmeal at Mickey D's. I'm glad he wrote it, there are a lot of
'uneducated and unthinking' people who eat that crap.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:04:34 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>On Feb 24, 4:26*pm, Andy > wrote:
>> ImStillMags > wrote:
>> > You obviously don't know much about Mark Bittman. *He's not a just
>> > food critic and he's had a cooking show on PBS for a while.
>>
>> I fail to be impressed by a "worst" food critic.
>>
>> That's easy to do!
>>
>> Didn't I make my point clear, earlier?
>>
>> Andy
>
>I have no idea why you are judging him for one column about the crap
>oatmeal at Mickey D's. I'm glad he wrote it, there are a lot of
>'uneducated and unthinking' people who eat that crap.


If a person is so uncaring, gullible or sufficiently in the dark about
nutritious food that s/he thinks that an offering of oatmeal by McD's
could be beneficial, I assure you, that person is not among those
paying any attention to Bittman.

Bittman is preaching to the choir. I happen to be in that chorus, but
he ain't Mark the Revelator in that column.

Boron

On 25/02/2011 8:47 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:

>
> If a person is so uncaring, gullible or sufficiently in the dark about
> nutritious food that s/he thinks that an offering of oatmeal by McD's
> could be beneficial, I assure you, that person is not among those
> paying any attention to Bittman.

The shame of it is that there is no reason I can think of that
MacDonalds could not have been able to to offer a healthy serving of
oatmeal. If I am buying oatmeal for 75 cents a pound at the bulk barn I
am sure they can get it wholesale for considerable less. Boil some water
with a bit of salt and boil it for 15 minutes. It will keep fresh for a
while. A small bowl of that could sell for a buck or two, making for a
tidy profit.

In article >, says...
>
> ImStillMags wrote:
> > "A more accurate description than ?100% natural whole-grain oats,?
> > ?plump raisins,? ?sweet cranberries? and ?crisp fresh apples? would be
> > ?oats, sugar, sweetened dried fruit, cream and 11 weird ingredients
> > you would never keep in your kitchen.?
> >
> > http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...meal-wrong/?hp
> >
> > He goes on in the article to talk about why take a perfectly easy,
> > natural thing to cook and make it unhealthy by adding stuff most
> > people wouldn't eat if they knew what it was.
> >
> > It's a good skewering of the fast food giant.
> >
> > ....
> >
> > The last paragraph is a doozy.
> >
> > "Here?s the thing: McDonald?s wants to get people in the store. Once a
> > day, once a week, once a month, the more the better, of course, but
> > routinely. And if you buy oatmeal, they?re o.k. with that. But they
> > know that, once inside, you?ll probably opt for a sausage biscuit
> > anyway.
> >
> > And you won?t be much worse off. "
> >
> >
> Ooooo. I am liking and respecting Bittman more with each post.
> Thanks for the link.

What I don't understand is why he expects anything other than engineered
food at McD. Engineered food, served with a very high degree of
consistency at more than 30,000 locations in more than 100 countries, by
people whose culinary expertise ends with "when the machine beeps, take
it out", is what McD _does_. If he thinks that he can produce a better
oatmeal for them that works with their business model they will very
likely listen. However if all he can do is say that their engineered
oatmeal is not as good as what an expert chef can prepare they'll say
"we know this, so what?"

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:57:11 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 25/02/2011 8:47 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>>
>> If a person is so uncaring, gullible or sufficiently in the dark about
>> nutritious food that s/he thinks that an offering of oatmeal by McD's
>> could be beneficial, I assure you, that person is not among those
>> paying any attention to Bittman.
>
>The shame of it is that there is no reason I can think of that
>MacDonalds could not have been able to to offer a healthy serving of
>oatmeal. If I am buying oatmeal for 75 cents a pound at the bulk barn I
>am sure they can get it wholesale for considerable less. Boil some water
>with a bit of salt and boil it for 15 minutes. It will keep fresh for a
>while. A small bowl of that could sell for a buck or two, making for a
>tidy profit.

Cafeterias hold cooked cereals in a steam table for hours.

On Feb 24, 8:59*am, notbob > wrote:
>
> My local burg doesn't even have one. *Right after a Subway snuck in,
> the town council apparently slammed close the books. *Fast-food chains
> not allowed! *OTOH, the most popular and heavily patronized drive-in
> (on the main hwy drag) gets away with serving the worst burger ever
> for $3.50. *Win some, lose some.

And you got one of the very worst FF outlets. Way worse that McD's.
Probably the owner of the bad burger place is behind keeping others
out.
>
> nb

--Bryan

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:57:11 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 25/02/2011 8:47 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>>
>> If a person is so uncaring, gullible or sufficiently in the dark about
>> nutritious food that s/he thinks that an offering of oatmeal by McD's
>> could be beneficial, I assure you, that person is not among those
>> paying any attention to Bittman.
>
>The shame of it is that there is no reason I can think of that
>MacDonalds could not have been able to to offer a healthy serving of
>oatmeal. If I am buying oatmeal for 75 cents a pound at the bulk barn I
>am sure they can get it wholesale for considerable less. Boil some water
>with a bit of salt and boil it for 15 minutes. It will keep fresh for a
>while. A small bowl of that could sell for a buck or two, making for a
>tidy profit.

I agree with you. They may not be able to easily handle steel-cut
oats in an easy way, but plain old rolled oats, dolled up with
whatever the customer wants would be decent.

Of course, I am still amazed that anyone uses individual packets of
Quaker with ingredients such as you see below, but hey, I also love
those weirdo canned steak and kidney pies. I guess everyone has some
not-so-good-for-you food hidden in the pantry.

WHOLE GRAIN ROLLED OATS, SUGAR, NATURAL FLAVOR, SALT, CALCIUM
CARBONATE, GUAR GUM, OAT FLOUR, CARAMEL COLOR, REDUCED IRON, VITAMIN A
PALMITATE.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 25/02/2011 8:47 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
> >
> > If a person is so uncaring, gullible or sufficiently in the dark about
> > nutritious food that s/he thinks that an offering of oatmeal by McD's
> > could be beneficial, I assure you, that person is not among those
> > paying any attention to Bittman.
>
> The shame of it is that there is no reason I can think of that
> MacDonalds could not have been able to to offer a healthy serving of
> oatmeal. If I am buying oatmeal for 75 cents a pound at the bulk barn I
> am sure they can get it wholesale for considerable less. Boil some water
> with a bit of salt and boil it for 15 minutes. It will keep fresh for a
> while. A small bowl of that could sell for a buck or two, making for a
> tidy profit.

If you boil my oatmeal for 15 minutes, I certainly won't be eating the
results - Blech! I nuke my oatmeal for 1.5-2 minutes and that is more
than enough and still leaves it with some texture.

"J. Clarke" wrote:
>
> What I don't understand is why he expects anything other than engineered
> food at McD. Engineered food, served with a very high degree of
> consistency at more than 30,000 locations in more than 100 countries, by
> people whose culinary expertise ends with "when the machine beeps, take
> it out", is what McD _does_. If he thinks that he can produce a better
> oatmeal for them that works with their business model they will very
> likely listen. However if all he can do is say that their engineered
> oatmeal is not as good as what an expert chef can prepare they'll say
> "we know this, so what?"

Bingo!

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> Of course, I am still amazed that anyone uses individual packets of
> Quaker with ingredients such as you see below, but hey, I also love
> those weirdo canned steak and kidney pies. I guess everyone has some
> not-so-good-for-you food hidden in the pantry.

<g>


>
> WHOLE GRAIN ROLLED OATS, SUGAR, NATURAL FLAVOR, SALT, CALCIUM
> CARBONATE, GUAR GUM, OAT FLOUR, CARAMEL COLOR, REDUCED IRON, VITAMIN A
> PALMITATE.
>

--
--

https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

On 2/25/2011 10:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In >, says...
>>
>> ImStillMags wrote:
>>> "A more accurate description than ?100% natural whole-grain oats,?
>>> ?plump raisins,? ?sweet cranberries? and ?crisp fresh apples? would be
>>> ?oats, sugar, sweetened dried fruit, cream and 11 weird ingredients
>>> you would never keep in your kitchen.?
>>>
>>> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...meal-wrong/?hp
>>>
>>> He goes on in the article to talk about why take a perfectly easy,
>>> natural thing to cook and make it unhealthy by adding stuff most
>>> people wouldn't eat if they knew what it was.
>>>
>>> It's a good skewering of the fast food giant.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> The last paragraph is a doozy.
>>>
>>> "Here?s the thing: McDonald?s wants to get people in the store. Once a
>>> day, once a week, once a month, the more the better, of course, but
>>> routinely. And if you buy oatmeal, they?re o.k. with that. But they
>>> know that, once inside, you?ll probably opt for a sausage biscuit
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> And you won?t be much worse off. "
>>>
>>>
>> Ooooo. I am liking and respecting Bittman more with each post.
>> Thanks for the link.
>
> What I don't understand is why he expects anything other than engineered
> food at McD. Engineered food, served with a very high degree of
> consistency at more than 30,000 locations in more than 100 countries, by
> people whose culinary expertise ends with "when the machine beeps, take
> it out", is what McD _does_. If he thinks that he can produce a better
> oatmeal for them that works with their business model they will very
> likely listen. However if all he can do is say that their engineered
> oatmeal is not as good as what an expert chef can prepare they'll say
> "we know this, so what?"

It is more of a comment on marketing. If it isn't something don't try to
spin it. Such as by putting small amounts of vitamins into soda and
calling it "vitamin water".

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On 2/25/2011 10:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In >, says...
> >>
> >> ImStillMags wrote:
> >>> "A more accurate description than ?100% natural whole-grain oats,?
> >>> ?plump raisins,? ?sweet cranberries? and ?crisp fresh apples? would be
> >>> ?oats, sugar, sweetened dried fruit, cream and 11 weird ingredients
> >>> you would never keep in your kitchen.?
> >>>
> >>> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...meal-wrong/?hp
> >>>
> >>> He goes on in the article to talk about why take a perfectly easy,
> >>> natural thing to cook and make it unhealthy by adding stuff most
> >>> people wouldn't eat if they knew what it was.
> >>>
> >>> It's a good skewering of the fast food giant.
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>>
> >>> The last paragraph is a doozy.
> >>>
> >>> "Here?s the thing: McDonald?s wants to get people in the store. Once a
> >>> day, once a week, once a month, the more the better, of course, but
> >>> routinely. And if you buy oatmeal, they?re o.k. with that. But they
> >>> know that, once inside, you?ll probably opt for a sausage biscuit
> >>> anyway.
> >>>
> >>> And you won?t be much worse off. "
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Ooooo. I am liking and respecting Bittman more with each post.
> >> Thanks for the link.
> >
> > What I don't understand is why he expects anything other than engineered
> > food at McD. Engineered food, served with a very high degree of
> > consistency at more than 30,000 locations in more than 100 countries, by
> > people whose culinary expertise ends with "when the machine beeps, take
> > it out", is what McD _does_. If he thinks that he can produce a better
> > oatmeal for them that works with their business model they will very
> > likely listen. However if all he can do is say that their engineered
> > oatmeal is not as good as what an expert chef can prepare they'll say
> > "we know this, so what?"
>
> It is more of a comment on marketing. If it isn't something don't try to
> spin it. Such as by putting small amounts of vitamins into soda and
> calling it "vitamin water".

But why not ride a fad if there is one to ride?

J. Clarke wrote:
>
> What I don't understand is why he expects anything other than engineered
> food at McD. Engineered food, served with a very high degree of
> consistency at more than 30,000 locations in more than 100 countries, by
> people whose culinary expertise ends with "when the machine beeps, take
> it out", is what McD _does_. If he thinks that he can produce a better
> oatmeal for them that works with their business model they will very
> likely listen. However if all he can do is say that their engineered
> oatmeal is not as good as what an expert chef can prepare they'll say
> "we know this, so what?"

Maybe there exist some people who think oatmeal is healthy so they try
it at McDonalds without thinking the issue through.

After all with instant oatmeal packets "when the machine beeps, take it
out" is exactly the way their oatmeal at home works.

On 25/02/2011 10:20 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
any attention to Bittman.
>>
>> The shame of it is that there is no reason I can think of that
>> MacDonalds could not have been able to to offer a healthy serving of
>> oatmeal. If I am buying oatmeal for 75 cents a pound at the bulk barn I
>> am sure they can get it wholesale for considerable less. Boil some water
>> with a bit of salt and boil it for 15 minutes. It will keep fresh for a
>> while. A small bowl of that could sell for a buck or two, making for a
>> tidy profit.
>
> Cafeterias hold cooked cereals in a steam table for hours.

My mother used to make it early in the morning when my father had his
breakfast. Then it went into the top of the double boiler and kept hot
until my brothers and I had our breakfast.

On 25/02/2011 10:50 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:

>> The shame of it is that there is no reason I can think of that
>> MacDonalds could not have been able to to offer a healthy serving of
>> oatmeal. If I am buying oatmeal for 75 cents a pound at the bulk barn I
>> am sure they can get it wholesale for considerable less. Boil some water
>> with a bit of salt and boil it for 15 minutes. It will keep fresh for a
>> while. A small bowl of that could sell for a buck or two, making for a
>> tidy profit.
>
> I agree with you. They may not be able to easily handle steel-cut
> oats in an easy way, but plain old rolled oats, dolled up with
> whatever the customer wants would be decent.

You have to wonder. It is pretty hard to screw up oatmeal. Cheap
ingredients, easy to cook and to keep warm. It would have to be a money
maker.



> Of course, I am still amazed that anyone uses individual packets of
> Quaker with ingredients such as you see below, but hey, I also love
> those weirdo canned steak and kidney pies. I guess everyone has some
> not-so-good-for-you food hidden in the pantry.

The instant stuff needs something. I like oats and have been eating them
since I was a kid. I think that the large flake stuff has flavour and
needs very little to improve it, just a bit of dark brown sugar and some
whole milk. The quick cooking stuff is less appealing, and the instant
stuff is suitable only for wallpaper paste.



>
> WHOLE GRAIN ROLLED OATS, SUGAR, NATURAL FLAVOR, SALT, CALCIUM
> CARBONATE, GUAR GUM, OAT FLOUR, CARAMEL COLOR, REDUCED IRON, VITAMIN A
> PALMITATE.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> J. Clarke wrote:
> >
> > What I don't understand is why he expects anything other than engineered
> > food at McD. Engineered food, served with a very high degree of
> > consistency at more than 30,000 locations in more than 100 countries, by
> > people whose culinary expertise ends with "when the machine beeps, take
> > it out", is what McD _does_. If he thinks that he can produce a better
> > oatmeal for them that works with their business model they will very
> > likely listen. However if all he can do is say that their engineered
> > oatmeal is not as good as what an expert chef can prepare they'll say
> > "we know this, so what?"
>
> Maybe there exist some people who think oatmeal is healthy so they try
> it at McDonalds without thinking the issue through.
>
> After all with instant oatmeal packets "when the machine beeps, take it
> out" is exactly the way their oatmeal at home works.

I only use instant oatmeal packets in two places - my camper and my
emergency "bug out bag". For home use it is strictly Quaker Old
Fashioned oatmeal microwaved for 1.5-2 min depending on starting water
temp.

Pete C. wrote:

> I only use instant oatmeal packets in two places - my camper and my
> emergency "bug out bag". For home use it is strictly Quaker Old
> Fashioned oatmeal microwaved for 1.5-2 min depending on starting water
> temp.

I keep a packet of Quaker maple brown sugar oats in my work bag. Come 5
AM at work if I'm starving I can mix up a little oatmeal in a styrofoam
cup using the instant hot water dispenser and eat 'em with a wooden
tongue blade on the run. It helps keep body and soul together for a few
more hours...

On 2/25/2011 2:48 PM, Goomba wrote:
> Pete C. wrote:
>
>> I only use instant oatmeal packets in two places - my camper and my
>> emergency "bug out bag". For home use it is strictly Quaker Old
>> Fashioned oatmeal microwaved for 1.5-2 min depending on starting water
>> temp.
>
> I keep a packet of Quaker maple brown sugar oats in my work bag. Come 5
> AM at work if I'm starving I can mix up a little oatmeal in a styrofoam
> cup using the instant hot water dispenser and eat 'em with a wooden
> tongue blade on the run. It helps keep body and soul together for a few
> more hours...

Actually, a dry mixture of (usually Quaker) oats with raisins is quite
palatable and does not need moisture for a small snack. To tell the
truth, I actually prefer that to Scots porridge with salt and I can't
stand sweetened cooked oatmeal.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

"Not": obvious change in "Reply To"

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:03:32 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

> J. Clarke wrote:
> >
> > What I don't understand is why he expects anything other than engineered
> > food at McD. Engineered food, served with a very high degree of
> > consistency at more than 30,000 locations in more than 100 countries, by
> > people whose culinary expertise ends with "when the machine beeps, take
> > it out", is what McD _does_. If he thinks that he can produce a better
> > oatmeal for them that works with their business model they will very
> > likely listen. However if all he can do is say that their engineered
> > oatmeal is not as good as what an expert chef can prepare they'll say
> > "we know this, so what?"
>
> Maybe there exist some people who think oatmeal is healthy so they try
> it at McDonalds without thinking the issue through.
>
> After all with instant oatmeal packets "when the machine beeps, take it
> out" is exactly the way their oatmeal at home works.

Exactly.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

l, not -l wrote:
> On 24-Feb-2011, Andy > wrote:
>
>> I'm left wondering why a NY Times food "critic" would even dare step
>> foot in a McD!!!
>>
>> He downgraded himself, if that's what he said.
>>
>> He downgraded himself!
>>
>> He's got an upcoming TV cooking show. I'll be sure to watch ONCE and
>> then forget all about his stupid balloon headed self.
>>
>> He should be ashamed of himself and be fired as a NY Times food critic,
>> imho!!!
>
> He isn't a food critic; his job was recently changed to wide ranging food
> commentary. Here's what he said about in his first new column:
> "My First New York Times Opinion Column
> 02|2|11
> I couldn't be more thrilled with the opportunity to write an opinion column
> about food. Here's my very first
> <http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/a-food-manifesto-for-the-future/>,
> a food manifesto of sorts, which hits on a number of topics that I will
> return to in weeks and months (and hopefully years) to come."
>
> His previous job was writing the Minimalist column, which wasn't food
> criticsm. For years, he has been presenting recipes that were nutritious
> and easily done by the average, busy person who was too often forgoing
> cooking. Take a look at his self-introduction to get a better understanding
> of what his job has been and now is.
> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refere...man/index.html

And HE changed it himself. I admire his principles.

--
Jean B.