http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg

I'm envious.

--
Jean B.

"Jean B." > wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg
>
>I'm envious.

Envious? Anyone can buy one. It's not even expensive. The important
aspect of meat grinders is the plate diameter, the larger the better
the grind. Those small ones for like $100 work but they don't produce
a very good grind, they do a lot of smearing, especially with fatty
meats as used for sausage... Narrow tubes are good for extruding pasta
but you don't want to extrude meat, you want to grind it with minimum
back pressure. The dinky plastic KA attachment is a total waste of
$50 but more importantly they ruin the meat, and meat IS expensive.
Don't pay any attention to wattage, it's a grinder, not a hair
dryer... with motorized appliances high wattage indicate the machine
is straining, the high wattage indicates the machine is producing
excessive heat, its design is inefficient. That's why KA stand mixers
stress wattage, to make the uneducated folks believe they are getting
a more powerful machine, but in reality they are getting an
underpowered motor that strains so it produces excessive heat,
especially with the larger units because they have larger diameter
bowls. Wattage is power used, not power produced. Your electric bill
is based on wattage, power companies don't care that you waste those
watts running shoddy appliances that produce more heat than
horsepower. And just like you don't want an under powered grinder you
don't want one that's over powered, no home kitchen needs a commercial
grinder. The trick is balance, that's why I recommended that
particular Waring.

On Feb 1, 2:45*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg

==
No doubt the grinder will 'pay for itself' in about twenty
years...enjoy it and I'm sure that you will use it each and every day.
Hope you like all that cleaning too. Gawd how I hate cleaning those
beasts.
==

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg
>> I'm envious.
>
> Envious? Anyone can buy one. It's not even expensive. The important
> aspect of meat grinders is the plate diameter, the larger the better
> the grind. Those small ones for like $100 work but they don't produce
> a very good grind, they do a lot of smearing, especially with fatty
> meats as used for sausage... Narrow tubes are good for extruding pasta
> but you don't want to extrude meat, you want to grind it with minimum
> back pressure. The dinky plastic KA attachment is a total waste of
> $50 but more importantly they ruin the meat, and meat IS expensive.
> Don't pay any attention to wattage, it's a grinder, not a hair
> dryer... with motorized appliances high wattage indicate the machine
> is straining, the high wattage indicates the machine is producing
> excessive heat, its design is inefficient. That's why KA stand mixers
> stress wattage, to make the uneducated folks believe they are getting
> a more powerful machine, but in reality they are getting an
> underpowered motor that strains so it produces excessive heat,
> especially with the larger units because they have larger diameter
> bowls. Wattage is power used, not power produced. Your electric bill
> is based on wattage, power companies don't care that you waste those
> watts running shoddy appliances that produce more heat than
> horsepower. And just like you don't want an under powered grinder you
> don't want one that's over powered, no home kitchen needs a commercial
> grinder. The trick is balance, that's why I recommended that
> particular Waring.

Yes, it's a matter of priorities. I could buy one, but I seem to
spend my money on cookbooks.

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >, "Jean B." >
> wrote:
>
>>> Wattage is power used, not power produced. Your electric bill
>>> is based on wattage, power companies don't care that you waste those
>>> watts running shoddy appliances that produce more heat than
>>> horsepower. And just like you don't want an under powered grinder you
>>> don't want one that's over powered, no home kitchen needs a commercial
>>> grinder. The trick is balance, that's why I recommended that
>>> particular Waring.
>> Yes, it's a matter of priorities. I could buy one, but I seem to
>> spend my money on cookbooks.
>>
>
> You might want to get that looked at. ;-)

No way! That is my fun. My hobby. It adds a texture to life to
collect something.

--
Jean B.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg

On the plus side, those grinders are plentiful enough
that they are available on eBay. The Northern Tool
and Kenwood grinders don't show up at all. Also,
I think the Waring Pro looks nicer than the Northern
Tool grinder.

On the minus side, the wattage is low compared to
the competition (yes, I read your posting on how
wattage doesn't matter), and I notice the neck
between the feed tube and the cutter is short
compared to the Northern Tool grinder. I think
a long neck is a better design than a short neck.

On 2011-02-02, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg
>
> On the plus side, those grinders are plentiful enough
> that they are available on eBay. The Northern Tool

Cabela's sells the above grinder:

http://tinyurl.com/49mjv5e

It's now $170 and I think shel said he only paid $100. I've seen the
Cabela's grinder on sale for $100, also. If you can wait, check the
price after hunting season, when Cabela's heavily discounts many of
its grinders to clear the warehouses for Summer stuff.

nb

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > You might want to get that looked at. ;-)
>
> No way! That is my fun. My hobby. It adds a texture to life to
> collect something.

Isn't that like watching a PBS cooking show
with Lidia Bastianich or Jacques Pepin while
eating a Swanson TV dinner?

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:44:39 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg
>>> I'm envious.
>>
>> Envious? Anyone can buy one. It's not even expensive. The important
>> aspect of meat grinders is the plate diameter, the larger the better
>> the grind. Those small ones for like $100 work but they don't produce
>> a very good grind, they do a lot of smearing, especially with fatty
>> meats as used for sausage... Narrow tubes are good for extruding pasta
>> but you don't want to extrude meat, you want to grind it with minimum
>> back pressure. The dinky plastic KA attachment is a total waste of
>> $50 but more importantly they ruin the meat, and meat IS expensive.
>> Don't pay any attention to wattage, it's a grinder, not a hair
>> dryer... with motorized appliances high wattage indicate the machine
>> is straining, the high wattage indicates the machine is producing
>> excessive heat, its design is inefficient. That's why KA stand mixers
>> stress wattage, to make the uneducated folks believe they are getting
>> a more powerful machine, but in reality they are getting an
>> underpowered motor that strains so it produces excessive heat,
>> especially with the larger units because they have larger diameter
>> bowls. Wattage is power used, not power produced. Your electric bill
>> is based on wattage, power companies don't care that you waste those
>> watts running shoddy appliances that produce more heat than
>> horsepower. And just like you don't want an under powered grinder you
>> don't want one that's over powered, no home kitchen needs a commercial
>> grinder. The trick is balance, that's why I recommended that
>> particular Waring.
>
>Yes, it's a matter of priorities. I could buy one, but I seem to
>spend my money on cookbooks.

I hope they taste good.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote:
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> You might want to get that looked at. ;-)
>> No way! That is my fun. My hobby. It adds a texture to life to
>> collect something.
>
> Isn't that like watching a PBS cooking show
> with Lidia Bastianich or Jacques Pepin while
> eating a Swanson TV dinner?

Is it? Btw, I do have a few antique (manual) grinders/choppers.

--
Jean B.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:44:39 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg
>>>> I'm envious.
>>> Envious? Anyone can buy one. It's not even expensive. The important
>>> aspect of meat grinders is the plate diameter, the larger the better
>>> the grind. Those small ones for like $100 work but they don't produce
>>> a very good grind, they do a lot of smearing, especially with fatty
>>> meats as used for sausage... Narrow tubes are good for extruding pasta
>>> but you don't want to extrude meat, you want to grind it with minimum
>>> back pressure. The dinky plastic KA attachment is a total waste of
>>> $50 but more importantly they ruin the meat, and meat IS expensive.
>>> Don't pay any attention to wattage, it's a grinder, not a hair
>>> dryer... with motorized appliances high wattage indicate the machine
>>> is straining, the high wattage indicates the machine is producing
>>> excessive heat, its design is inefficient. That's why KA stand mixers
>>> stress wattage, to make the uneducated folks believe they are getting
>>> a more powerful machine, but in reality they are getting an
>>> underpowered motor that strains so it produces excessive heat,
>>> especially with the larger units because they have larger diameter
>>> bowls. Wattage is power used, not power produced. Your electric bill
>>> is based on wattage, power companies don't care that you waste those
>>> watts running shoddy appliances that produce more heat than
>>> horsepower. And just like you don't want an under powered grinder you
>>> don't want one that's over powered, no home kitchen needs a commercial
>>> grinder. The trick is balance, that's why I recommended that
>>> particular Waring.
>> Yes, it's a matter of priorities. I could buy one, but I seem to
>> spend my money on cookbooks.
>
> I hope they taste good.

Heh! Probably they are more edible than a meat grinder!

--
Jean B.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 13:21:38 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg
>
>On the plus side, those grinders are plentiful enough
>that they are available on eBay. The Northern Tool
>and Kenwood grinders don't show up at all. Also,
>I think the Waring Pro looks nicer than the Northern
>Tool grinder.
>
>On the minus side, the wattage is low compared to
>the competition (yes, I read your posting on how
>wattage doesn't matter), and I notice the neck
>between the feed tube and the cutter is short
>compared to the Northern Tool grinder. I think
>a long neck is a better design than a short neck.

Are you going to grind meat or have sex with it?

You failed to notice that the body is a larger diameter, the most
important aspect of a grinder... the larger diameter the plate the
better quality the grind. The others show higher wattage because they
are poorly made and inefficient. Many of those cheapos run at much to
high an rpm, the meat gets pulverized like in a food processor before
it reaches the grinder blade. Also many of sellers of those cheapo
grinders jack up the advertized wattage, catches the imbeciles...
later will claim a typo. You buy what you want... one way or another
you are hell bent on grinder sex... fer certain with your lack of
logic you will get ****ed, in other words you'll pay yer hundred bux
and won't even get off. Didn't you read the reviews on that cheapo
Northern Tool POS, all written by retards like you. That cheap
grinder is a bait and switch gimmick, they're hoping once you're at
their grinder site you'll spring for their better line of grinders.
They're good grinders but a bit much for the typical home kitchen.

On 2 Feb 2011 21:34:01 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2011-02-02, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> http://i55.tinypic.com/15qvh4j.jpg
>>
>> On the plus side, those grinders are plentiful enough
>> that they are available on eBay. The Northern Tool
>
>Cabela's sells the above grinder:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/49mjv5e
>
>It's now $170 and I think shel said he only paid $100. I've seen the
>Cabela's grinder on sale for $100, also. If you can wait, check the
>price after hunting season, when Cabela's heavily discounts many of
>its grinders to clear the warehouses for Summer stuff.

That's an excellent price for that grinder, it's the Waring Pro with
the Cabella's name slapped on it. I paid that $170 price at Chef's
Catalog about five years ago. It sells for $200 everywhere else now.
Anyone wants a grinder they should snap it up, I doubt it will come
down in price.

Actually I bought that Waring Pro as a Christmas gift for my daughter.
She didn't want it, said she'll never use it, she dosen't cook. So I
kept it and gave her the money instead. After about a year I decided
to try it. For many years I used my Moulinex grinder, which is good,
but not nearly as good as the Waring Pro. I still have the Moulinex
but it's retired, keeping it as a back up just in case.

notbob wrote:
>
> It's now $170 and I think shel said he only paid $100. I've seen the
> Cabela's grinder on sale for $100, also. If you can wait, check the
> price after hunting season, when Cabela's heavily discounts many of
> its grinders to clear the warehouses for Summer stuff.

When does hunting season end?

On 2011-02-03, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> That's an excellent price for that grinder, it's the Waring Pro with
> the Cabella's name slapped on it. I paid that $170 price at Chef's
> Catalog about five years ago. It sells for $200 everywhere else now.
> Anyone wants a grinder they should snap it up, I doubt it will come
> down in price.

Well, there ya' go. I thought you said you only paid $100. Guess
not. I'm sure I've seen it for $99 at Cabela's in off-season, but we
now know what my memory is worth! Cabela's DOES discount their
grinders heavily in off-season, so it may be worth the wait and see.
I need a good grinder for sausage and if you say this one is good
enough, I may jump, depite my desire to get one of their heavy duty
line for the cube steak attachment. (I can buy a lotta cube steaks
for the price diff + attachment price!). Besides, those stuffer
discounts are mighty tempting.

nb

On 2011-02-03, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>>
>> It's now $170 and I think shel said he only paid $100. I've seen the
>> Cabela's grinder on sale for $100, also. If you can wait, check the
>> price after hunting season, when Cabela's heavily discounts many of
>> its grinders to clear the warehouses for Summer stuff.
>
> When does hunting season end?

Hunting season starts in the Fall, but goes as long as late Winter in
some states. They're already putting their stuffers on sale, so pay
attention. Like shel says, that may be the lowest price for that
particular unit. <shrug>

nb

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:51:05 -0500, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

>Don't pay any attention to wattage, it's a grinder, not a hair
>dryer... with motorized appliances high wattage indicate the machine
>is straining, the high wattage indicates the machine is producing
>excessive heat, its design is inefficient.

More Sheldon bullshit. The power drawn is meaningless with knowing a)
the type of motor, and b) the motor's rated power output ( so you can
calculate its efficiency).

> Wattage is power used, not power produced.

At least that statement is true.

>And just like you don't want an under powered grinder you
>don't want one that's over powered...

But now we're back to bullshit.

I bought a Waring Pro MG800, used it for a month, and dumped it. It
was underpowered and couldn't handle the twelve pounds of meat I
usually grind (for chili for my home poker game) without overheating.

I bought the Maverick MM-5501 for less money, and it works like a
dream, using standard #8 (large) plates.

On ebay, as http://amzn.to/edACWK, for $86,
or slightly more where I bought it, pleasanthillgrain.com, which has
a full stock of plates, blades, etc.

-- Larry

notbob wrote:
>
> Well, there ya' go. I thought you said you only paid $100. Guess
> not. I'm sure I've seen it for $99 at Cabela's in off-season, but we
> now know what my memory is worth! Cabela's DOES discount their
> grinders heavily in off-season, so it may be worth the wait and see.
> I need a good grinder for sausage and if you say this one is good
> enough, I may jump, depite my desire to get one of their heavy duty
> line for the cube steak attachment. (I can buy a lotta cube steaks
> for the price diff + attachment price!). Besides, those stuffer
> discounts are mighty tempting.

There's the Waring Pro MG100 which is commonly
available for about $100 and the MG800 which is
about $170. Cabela's is the MG800.

On 2011-02-03, Mark Thorson > wrote:

> There's the Waring Pro MG100 which is commonly
> available for about $100 and the MG800 which is
> about $170. Cabela's is the MG800.

I did not know that. Thanks for that clarification, Mark.

nb

Ix-nay on the unting-hay and eldon-Shay. He inks-thay that eat-may comes from a actory-fay.

My buddy dumped his Waring Pro(I forget the model #) and we picked up a Maverick to share between us. Not as cutesy, but a better grinder. Power consumption is what it is. But, when you consume more power, you often get more work from that power you consume.

Wattage is the electrical measure of work. Although in audio equipment, watts aren't just watts; in meat grinders, the 575W Maverick is pretty nice.

Handled its first deer season in spades.