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Oxyhydrogen Radiant Heater
Hi:
I’m thinking of hypothetical oxyhydrogen-fired radiant heater in which the significant emitter of thermal radiation is the flame itself. In terms of oxidant/fuel ratio, the flame is lean – more oxygen than hydrogen. Oxygen [O2] is the only oxidant to burn the fuel. Each and every molecule of the hydrogen is fully-oxidized by the oxygen. There is also an additional oxygen pumped in with the oxyhydrogen mixture to ensure that there all hydrogen molecules are completely burned into water molecules. This is so that there is no unburned hydrogen to any extent. There are 6 sides to this radiant heater. Left, right, back, front, up, and down. The height of the left, right, front and back are the same. The top and bottom are shorter in length than the heights of the aforementioned. However, the top and bottom are of the same width as the widths of the left and right. The front of the heater is what faces the object intended to be heated. The front consists of eco- friendly material that is completely transparent to all EM radiation from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interior of the back of the heater consists of eco-friendly material that completely reflects all wavelengths of EM radiation from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interiors of the left and right of the panel also consist of eco-friendly material that totally reflects wavelengths of EM radiations from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The bottom of the panel is where the flame is emitted. The length of the flame is almost as long as the bottom of the panel. The top of the panel is where hot gases from the combustion escape – this is the exhaust and is as long as the flame. The material on the front of this heater has a low-enough heat conduction coefficient that it remains perceptibly cool even though it allows thermal radiation to escape outward. There are three pipes attaches to the bottom of this heater. One carries the hydrogen, while the other two carry oxygen. This infrared heater is air-tight prior to combustion. Also, prior to combustion, the only gas present in the heater is additional amount of oxygen. There is a sufficient amount of oxygen [but not more] such that the air pressure inside the heater equates to the air pressure outside the heater – this is to prevent any damage to the heating panel caused by pressure differences. Just before ignition of the fuel, the correct amount of oxygen is removed such that the high- temperature of the flame does not raise the internal air pressure to the point of damage. Also, the ignition is smooth and completely non- explosive. Just prior to the ignition, an adequate amount of hydrogen and oxygen are discharged into the heater in the slow, smooth, continuous manner. Now, when the amount of the oxyhydrogen mixture is enough for ignition and self-sustaining combustion, an electric spark is discharged which causes the fuel to catch fire. The amount of flame is adjustable in terms of height and width – however the length is constant. At the lowest setting there is just enough flame for the IR radiation to be perceptible as warmth. At the highest setting the flame nearly fills up the entire heating panel. I’m thinking of two applications for this radiant heater: 1. Use mild versions of the heater in cold parts of the world in outdoor public places to keep citizens warm – such as the roof-tops dining locations of restaurants in Northern Europe, where the climate is often cold and wet. 2. More intense versions of this heater can be used to cook food "medium rare". Think charred pork that’s bloody red on the inside. Thanks, Green Xenon |
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On Jan 25, 8:15*pm, GreenXenon > wrote:
> Hi: > > I’m thinking [...] Suspension of disbelief shattered. Why do you keep posting such stupid shit? Find a better hobby, like alcoholism. |
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In article <502c2acf-a7c4-4474-8aad-023fe9c59a08
@c13g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, says... > > Hi: > > I?m thinking of hypothetical oxyhydrogen-fired radiant heater in which > the significant emitter of thermal radiation is the flame itself. > Flames themselves are very poor IR radiants, compared to solid surfaces of the same temperature. -- Poutnik |
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On 26/01/2011 04:15, GreenXenon wrote:
> Hi: > > I’m thinking of hypothetical oxyhydrogen-fired radiant heater in which > the significant emitter of thermal radiation is the flame itself. > > In terms of oxidant/fuel ratio, the flame is lean – more oxygen than > hydrogen. Oxygen [O2] is the only oxidant to burn the fuel. > > Each and every molecule of the hydrogen is fully-oxidized by the > oxygen. There is also an additional oxygen pumped in with the > oxyhydrogen mixture to ensure that there all hydrogen molecules are > completely burned into water molecules. This is so that there is no > unburned hydrogen to any extent. > > There are 6 sides to this radiant heater. Left, right, back, front, > up, and down. The height of the left, right, front and back are the > same. The top and bottom are shorter in length than the heights of the > aforementioned. However, the top and bottom are of the same width as > the widths of the left and right. The front of the heater is what > faces the object intended to be heated. The front consists of eco- > friendly material that is completely transparent to all EM radiation > from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interior of the back of the heater > consists of eco-friendly material that completely reflects all > wavelengths of EM radiation from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interiors > of the left and right of the panel also consist of eco-friendly > material that totally reflects wavelengths of EM radiations from > 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The bottom of the panel is where the flame is > emitted. The length of the flame is almost as long as the bottom of > the panel. The top of the panel is where hot gases from the combustion > escape – this is the exhaust and is as long as the flame. The material > on the front of this heater has a low-enough heat conduction > coefficient that it remains perceptibly cool even though it allows > thermal radiation to escape outward. > > There are three pipes attaches to the bottom of this heater. One > carries the hydrogen, while the other two carry oxygen. > > This infrared heater is air-tight prior to combustion. Also, prior to > combustion, the only gas present in the heater is additional amount of > oxygen. There is a sufficient amount of oxygen [but not more] such > that the air pressure inside the heater equates to the air pressure > outside the heater – this is to prevent any damage to the heating > panel caused by pressure differences. Just before ignition of the > fuel, the correct amount of oxygen is removed such that the high- > temperature of the flame does not raise the internal air pressure to > the point of damage. Also, the ignition is smooth and completely non- > explosive. Just prior to the ignition, an adequate amount of hydrogen > and oxygen are discharged into the heater in the slow, smooth, > continuous manner. Now, when the amount of the oxyhydrogen mixture is > enough for ignition and self-sustaining combustion, an electric spark > is discharged which causes the fuel to catch fire. The amount of flame > is adjustable in terms of height and width – however the length is > constant. At the lowest setting there is just enough flame for the IR > radiation to be perceptible as warmth. At the highest setting the > flame nearly fills up the entire heating panel. > > I’m thinking of two applications for this radiant heater: > > 1. Use mild versions of the heater in cold parts of the world in > outdoor public places to keep citizens warm – such as the roof-tops > dining locations of restaurants in Northern Europe, where the climate > is often cold and wet. > 2. More intense versions of this heater can be used to cook food > "medium rare". Think charred pork that’s bloody red on the inside. > > > Thanks, > > Green Xenon Fantastic idea, the steam produced could even be used to cook the vegtables. I suggest you would be better spending your time building one instead of wasting time telling the world about it. |
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On Jan 26, 12:51*am, Eric Gisse > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 8:15*pm, GreenXenon > wrote: > > > Hi: > > > I’m thinking [...] > > Suspension of disbelief shattered. > > Why do you keep posting such stupid shit? Find a better hobby, like > alcoholism. I think he already has a hobby like that. I certainly couldn't come up with all the stupid shit that he does without a psychoactive chemical assist. |
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On Jan 25, 10:39*pm, Poutnik > wrote:
> Flames themselves are very poor IR radiants, > compared to solid surfaces of the same temperature. Just out of curiosity, what entity emits the highest-intensity [intensity is measured in photons-per-second-per-square-meter] of EM radiation at wavelengths in the range of 3,000 to 100,000 nm [IR-C spectrum] yet at the same time emits the lowest-intensity of EM radiation outside of the IR-C range? |
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"CWatters" > wrote in message o.uk... > On 26/01/2011 04:15, GreenXenon wrote: >> Hi: >> >> I’m thinking of hypothetical oxyhydrogen-fired radiant heater in which >> the significant emitter of thermal radiation is the flame itself. >> >> In terms of oxidant/fuel ratio, the flame is lean – more oxygen than >> hydrogen. Oxygen [O2] is the only oxidant to burn the fuel. >> >> Each and every molecule of the hydrogen is fully-oxidized by the >> oxygen. There is also an additional oxygen pumped in with the >> oxyhydrogen mixture to ensure that there all hydrogen molecules are >> completely burned into water molecules. This is so that there is no >> unburned hydrogen to any extent. >> >> There are 6 sides to this radiant heater. Left, right, back, front, >> up, and down. The height of the left, right, front and back are the >> same. The top and bottom are shorter in length than the heights of the >> aforementioned. However, the top and bottom are of the same width as >> the widths of the left and right. The front of the heater is what >> faces the object intended to be heated. The front consists of eco- >> friendly material that is completely transparent to all EM radiation >> from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interior of the back of the heater >> consists of eco-friendly material that completely reflects all >> wavelengths of EM radiation from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interiors >> of the left and right of the panel also consist of eco-friendly >> material that totally reflects wavelengths of EM radiations from >> 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The bottom of the panel is where the flame is >> emitted. The length of the flame is almost as long as the bottom of >> the panel. The top of the panel is where hot gases from the combustion >> escape – this is the exhaust and is as long as the flame. The material >> on the front of this heater has a low-enough heat conduction >> coefficient that it remains perceptibly cool even though it allows >> thermal radiation to escape outward. >> >> There are three pipes attaches to the bottom of this heater. One >> carries the hydrogen, while the other two carry oxygen. >> >> This infrared heater is air-tight prior to combustion. Also, prior to >> combustion, the only gas present in the heater is additional amount of >> oxygen. There is a sufficient amount of oxygen [but not more] such >> that the air pressure inside the heater equates to the air pressure >> outside the heater – this is to prevent any damage to the heating >> panel caused by pressure differences. Just before ignition of the >> fuel, the correct amount of oxygen is removed such that the high- >> temperature of the flame does not raise the internal air pressure to >> the point of damage. Also, the ignition is smooth and completely non- >> explosive. Just prior to the ignition, an adequate amount of hydrogen >> and oxygen are discharged into the heater in the slow, smooth, >> continuous manner. Now, when the amount of the oxyhydrogen mixture is >> enough for ignition and self-sustaining combustion, an electric spark >> is discharged which causes the fuel to catch fire. The amount of flame >> is adjustable in terms of height and width – however the length is >> constant. At the lowest setting there is just enough flame for the IR >> radiation to be perceptible as warmth. At the highest setting the >> flame nearly fills up the entire heating panel. >> >> I’m thinking of two applications for this radiant heater: >> >> 1. Use mild versions of the heater in cold parts of the world in >> outdoor public places to keep citizens warm – such as the roof-tops >> dining locations of restaurants in Northern Europe, where the climate >> is often cold and wet. >> 2. More intense versions of this heater can be used to cook food >> "medium rare". Think charred pork that’s bloody red on the inside. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Green Xenon > > Fantastic idea, the steam produced could even be used to cook the > vegtables. > > I suggest you would be better spending your time building one instead of > wasting time telling the world about it. Maybe something that is not cost prohibitive to produce, and/or operate. |
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On 1/25/2011 9:51 PM, Eric Gisse wrote:
> On Jan 25, 8:15 pm, > wrote: >> Hi: >> >> I’m thinking [...] > > Suspension of disbelief shattered. > > Why do you keep posting such stupid shit? Find a better hobby, like > alcoholism. Suggest he invent an Oxyhydrogen Radiant Heater STILL, and kill two birds with one stone. |
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In article <4f6be7e0-f8b0-44ec-b458-
>, says... > > Just out of curiosity, what entity emits the highest-intensity > [intensity is measured in photons-per-second-per-square-meter] of EM > radiation at wavelengths in the range of 3,000 to 100,000 nm [IR-C > spectrum] yet at the same time emits the lowest-intensity of EM > radiation outside of the IR-C range? I suggest you to study basics of thermal radiation of solid bodies, before starting meaningful discussion. Concerning thermal emition, bodies with maximum emition in IR-C interval are deeply frozen bodies. -- Poutnik |
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On Jan 26, 7:55*am, GreenXenon > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 10:39*pm, Poutnik > wrote: > > > Flames themselves are very poor IR radiants, > > compared to solid surfaces of the same temperature. > > Just out of curiosity, what entity emits the highest-intensity > [intensity is measured in photons-per-second-per-square-meter] of EM > radiation at wavelengths in the range of 3,000 to 100,000 nm [IR-C > spectrum] yet at the same time emits the lowest-intensity of EM > radiation outside of the IR-C range? You do! |
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I had to look up that word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emition emition - no dictionary results What's it mean? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Poutnik" > wrote in message .. . I suggest you to study basics of thermal radiation of solid bodies, before starting meaningful discussion. Concerning thermal emition, bodies with maximum emition in IR-C interval are deeply frozen bodies. -- Poutnik |
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On 1/26/2011 5:21 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I had to look up that word. > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emition > > emition > - no dictionary results > > What's it mean? > He may have been trying to write "emission". Hooked on phonics didn't work in his case but heck, sum tymes eye caynt spel. :-) TDD |
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Dear Mr Xenon
Reading your posts makes my brain hurt as a child did people call you stupid and give you swirlies seems to me they did and now your over compensating its not working to me you seem like a idiot "an Individual with the lowest mental age level (less than three years) is identified as an idiot" Respecfully maxx |
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Dear Mr Xenon Reading your posts makes my brain hurt as a child did people call you stupid and give you swirlies seems to me they did and now your over compensating its not working to me you seem like a idiot "an Individual with the lowest mental age level (less than three years) is identified as an idiot" Respectfully maxx |
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Aye wuntert wadt dott vuz.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "The Daring Dufas" > wrote in message ... On 1/26/2011 5:21 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: > I had to look up that word. > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emition > > emition > - no dictionary results > > What's it mean? > He may have been trying to write "emission". Hooked on phonics didn't work in his case but heck, sum tymes eye caynt spel. :-) TDD |
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"Stormin Mormon" > fired this volley in
: > Christopher A. Young > Learn more about Jesus > www.lds.org STORMY! Please don't cross-post to the groups he's abusing. He's F888in' nuts, and we don't need him blathering here, but we ALSO don't need cross- posters slamming us. LLoyd |
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In article <eebce159-c76d-4348-b979-c99a8a3d7d85
@m35g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, says... > > Dear Mr Xenon > Reading your posts makes my brain hurt > as a child did people call you stupid and give you swirlies > seems to me they did and now your over compensating > its not working > to me you seem like a idiot > "an Individual with the lowest mental age level (less than three > years) is identified as an idiot" > > Respecfully > maxx Well, he may is not the best educated. But he was able to learn himself simple things like basic manners, tought in kindergargens, definitely above 3 years limit. Before calling him by words above, try it too. -- Poutnik |
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In article >, cayoung61 says... > > I had to look up that word. > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emition > > emition > - no dictionary results > > What's it mean? > OK, I am not native english and spelling can be sometimes wrong. But did not Google instantly offer emission instead ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissio...c_radiation%29 -- Poutnik |
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In article >,
Poutnik > wrote: > > Dear Mr Xenon > > Reading your posts makes my brain hurt > > as a child did people call you stupid and give you swirlies > > seems to me they did and now your over compensating > > its not working > > to me you seem like a idiot > > "an Individual with the lowest mental age level (less than three > > years) is identified as an idiot" He made my brain hurt too! That is while I kill filed him. My problem is how to kill file posts that refer to him. Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born. |
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On Jan 26, 12:51*am, Eric Gisse > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 8:15*pm, GreenXenon > wrote: > > > Hi: > > > I’m thinking [...] > > Suspension of disbelief shattered. > > Why do you keep posting such stupid shit? Find a better hobby, like > alcoholism. One would think that he's already mastered that one. Maybe he should continue drinking so as not to post while suffering from DT's. |
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"GreenXenon" wrote in message ... On Jan 25, 10:39 pm, Poutnik > wrote: > Flames themselves are very poor IR radiants, > compared to solid surfaces of the same temperature. Just out of curiosity, what entity emits the highest-intensity [intensity is measured in photons-per-second-per-square-meter] of EM radiation at wavelengths in the range of 3,000 to 100,000 nm [IR-C spectrum] yet at the same time emits the lowest-intensity of EM radiation outside of the IR-C range? YOUR ASS! |
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In article >,
"Oscar_Lives" > wrote: > Just out of curiosity, what entity emits the highest-intensity > [intensity is measured in photons-per-second-per-square-meter] of EM > radiation at wavelengths in the range of 3,000 to 100,000 nm [IR-C > spectrum] yet at the same time emits the lowest-intensity of EM > radiation outside of the IR-C range? For intensity, the photons must be weighted by their energy which is proportional to frequency. Photon count by itself is inadequate. The question you ask is difficult to answer. The spectral emissivity of a substance varies with temperature or other conditions. For example, a xenon flashtube is obviously pretty transparent to infrared and visible light. Heat it up enough with a discharge and it starts to resemble a black body. Almost all substances when heated up enough will look like a black body. One of Einstein's insights was to explain the law of Dulong & Petit. regarding the temperature dependence of specific heats. In doing so, he helped quantum mechanics get going to develop to a point that he denied quantum mechanics in a way reminiscent of how some deny special relativity on this newsgroup. That aside, as temperature increases various modes of vibration of molecules, atoms, ions, and even bound electrons get excited. These are able to absorb and emit light. Perhaps a Welsbach mantle is a good example for selective emission in a solid. The original mantle consisted of a burned silk fabric containing thorium oxide with some cerium oxide. The thorium was relatively white throughout the near infrared and visible spectrum. Because thorium oxide emissivity was low, it was possible for the mantle to reach a temperature close to the flame temperature. When cerium oxide was added, energy was encouraged to escape radiatively in the visible because the cerium oxide had absorption lines there. More recently, because of concern over radioactivity, thorium in the mantles has been replaced by other elements. I believe yttrium oxide is virtually transparent to near infrared and visible radiation. Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born. |
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On Jan 27, 10:38*pm, Salmon Egg > wrote:
> In article >, > > *"Oscar_Lives" > wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, what entity emits the highest-intensity > > [intensity is measured in photons-per-second-per-square-meter] of EM > > radiation at wavelengths in the range of 3,000 to 100,000 nm [IR-C > > spectrum] yet at the same time emits the lowest-intensity of EM > > radiation outside of the IR-C range? > > For intensity, the photons must be weighted by their energy which is > proportional to frequency. Photon count by itself is inadequate. > > The question you ask is difficult to answer. The spectral emissivity of > a substance varies with temperature or other conditions. For example, a > xenon flashtube is obviously pretty transparent to infrared and visible > light. Heat it up enough with a discharge and it starts to resemble a > black body. Almost all substances when heated up enough will look like a > black body. > > One of Einstein's insights was to explain the law of Dulong & Petit. > regarding the temperature dependence of specific heats. In doing so, he > helped quantum mechanics get going to develop to a point that he denied > quantum mechanics in a way reminiscent of how some deny special > relativity on this newsgroup. > > That aside, as temperature increases various modes of vibration of > molecules, atoms, ions, and even bound electrons get excited. These are > able to absorb and emit light. > > Perhaps a *Welsbach mantle is a good example for selective emission in a > solid. The original mantle consisted of a burned silk fabric containing > thorium oxide with some cerium oxide. The thorium was relatively white > throughout the near infrared and visible spectrum. Because thorium oxide > emissivity was low, it was possible for the mantle to reach a > temperature close to the flame temperature. When cerium oxide was added, > energy was encouraged to escape radiatively in the visible because the > cerium oxide had absorption lines there. > > More recently, because of concern over radioactivity, thorium in the > mantles has been replaced by other elements. I believe yttrium oxide is > virtually transparent to near infrared and visible radiation. > > Bill > > -- > An old man would be better off never having been born. When I was using, I would buy 30 40's for $750.00. I went through so many I got a mortar & pestal to crush. Oh wait, this is about Oxyhydrogen, I read Oxycontin. My bad! Still, good to be clean. |
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