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Hi:

Im thinking of hypothetical oxyhydrogen-fired radiant heater in which
the significant emitter of thermal radiation is the flame itself.

In terms of oxidant/fuel ratio, the flame is lean more oxygen than
hydrogen. Oxygen [O2] is the only oxidant to burn the fuel.

Each and every molecule of the hydrogen is fully-oxidized by the
oxygen. There is also an additional oxygen pumped in with the
oxyhydrogen mixture to ensure that there all hydrogen molecules are
completely burned into water molecules. This is so that there is no
unburned hydrogen to any extent.

There are 6 sides to this radiant heater. Left, right, back, front,
up, and down. The height of the left, right, front and back are the
same. The top and bottom are shorter in length than the heights of the
aforementioned. However, the top and bottom are of the same width as
the widths of the left and right. The front of the heater is what
faces the object intended to be heated. The front consists of eco-
friendly material that is completely transparent to all EM radiation
from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interior of the back of the heater
consists of eco-friendly material that completely reflects all
wavelengths of EM radiation from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interiors
of the left and right of the panel also consist of eco-friendly
material that totally reflects wavelengths of EM radiations from
100,000 nm to 300 nm. The bottom of the panel is where the flame is
emitted. The length of the flame is almost as long as the bottom of
the panel. The top of the panel is where hot gases from the combustion
escape this is the exhaust and is as long as the flame. The material
on the front of this heater has a low-enough heat conduction
coefficient that it remains perceptibly cool even though it allows
thermal radiation to escape outward.

There are three pipes attaches to the bottom of this heater. One
carries the hydrogen, while the other two carry oxygen.

This infrared heater is air-tight prior to combustion. Also, prior to
combustion, the only gas present in the heater is additional amount of
oxygen. There is a sufficient amount of oxygen [but not more] such
that the air pressure inside the heater equates to the air pressure
outside the heater this is to prevent any damage to the heating
panel caused by pressure differences. Just before ignition of the
fuel, the correct amount of oxygen is removed such that the high-
temperature of the flame does not raise the internal air pressure to
the point of damage. Also, the ignition is smooth and completely non-
explosive. Just prior to the ignition, an adequate amount of hydrogen
and oxygen are discharged into the heater in the slow, smooth,
continuous manner. Now, when the amount of the oxyhydrogen mixture is
enough for ignition and self-sustaining combustion, an electric spark
is discharged which causes the fuel to catch fire. The amount of flame
is adjustable in terms of height and width however the length is
constant. At the lowest setting there is just enough flame for the IR
radiation to be perceptible as warmth. At the highest setting the
flame nearly fills up the entire heating panel.

Im thinking of two applications for this radiant heater:

1. Use mild versions of the heater in cold parts of the world in
outdoor public places to keep citizens warm such as the roof-tops
dining locations of restaurants in Northern Europe, where the climate
is often cold and wet.
2. More intense versions of this heater can be used to cook food
"medium rare". Think charred pork thats bloody red on the inside.


Thanks,

Green Xenon

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On Jan 25, 8:15*pm, GreenXenon wrote:
Hi:

Im thinking [...]


Suspension of disbelief shattered.

Why do you keep posting such stupid shit? Find a better hobby, like
alcoholism.
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@c13g2000prc.googlegroups.com, says...

Hi:

I?m thinking of hypothetical oxyhydrogen-fired radiant heater in which
the significant emitter of thermal radiation is the flame itself.

Flames themselves are very poor IR radiants,
compared to solid surfaces of the same temperature.

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On 26/01/2011 04:15, GreenXenon wrote:
Hi:

Im thinking of hypothetical oxyhydrogen-fired radiant heater in which
the significant emitter of thermal radiation is the flame itself.

In terms of oxidant/fuel ratio, the flame is lean more oxygen than
hydrogen. Oxygen [O2] is the only oxidant to burn the fuel.

Each and every molecule of the hydrogen is fully-oxidized by the
oxygen. There is also an additional oxygen pumped in with the
oxyhydrogen mixture to ensure that there all hydrogen molecules are
completely burned into water molecules. This is so that there is no
unburned hydrogen to any extent.

There are 6 sides to this radiant heater. Left, right, back, front,
up, and down. The height of the left, right, front and back are the
same. The top and bottom are shorter in length than the heights of the
aforementioned. However, the top and bottom are of the same width as
the widths of the left and right. The front of the heater is what
faces the object intended to be heated. The front consists of eco-
friendly material that is completely transparent to all EM radiation
from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interior of the back of the heater
consists of eco-friendly material that completely reflects all
wavelengths of EM radiation from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interiors
of the left and right of the panel also consist of eco-friendly
material that totally reflects wavelengths of EM radiations from
100,000 nm to 300 nm. The bottom of the panel is where the flame is
emitted. The length of the flame is almost as long as the bottom of
the panel. The top of the panel is where hot gases from the combustion
escape this is the exhaust and is as long as the flame. The material
on the front of this heater has a low-enough heat conduction
coefficient that it remains perceptibly cool even though it allows
thermal radiation to escape outward.

There are three pipes attaches to the bottom of this heater. One
carries the hydrogen, while the other two carry oxygen.

This infrared heater is air-tight prior to combustion. Also, prior to
combustion, the only gas present in the heater is additional amount of
oxygen. There is a sufficient amount of oxygen [but not more] such
that the air pressure inside the heater equates to the air pressure
outside the heater this is to prevent any damage to the heating
panel caused by pressure differences. Just before ignition of the
fuel, the correct amount of oxygen is removed such that the high-
temperature of the flame does not raise the internal air pressure to
the point of damage. Also, the ignition is smooth and completely non-
explosive. Just prior to the ignition, an adequate amount of hydrogen
and oxygen are discharged into the heater in the slow, smooth,
continuous manner. Now, when the amount of the oxyhydrogen mixture is
enough for ignition and self-sustaining combustion, an electric spark
is discharged which causes the fuel to catch fire. The amount of flame
is adjustable in terms of height and width however the length is
constant. At the lowest setting there is just enough flame for the IR
radiation to be perceptible as warmth. At the highest setting the
flame nearly fills up the entire heating panel.

Im thinking of two applications for this radiant heater:

1. Use mild versions of the heater in cold parts of the world in
outdoor public places to keep citizens warm such as the roof-tops
dining locations of restaurants in Northern Europe, where the climate
is often cold and wet.
2. More intense versions of this heater can be used to cook food
"medium rare". Think charred pork thats bloody red on the inside.


Thanks,

Green Xenon


Fantastic idea, the steam produced could even be used to cook the
vegtables.

I suggest you would be better spending your time building one instead of
wasting time telling the world about it.







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On Jan 26, 12:51*am, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jan 25, 8:15*pm, GreenXenon wrote:

Hi:


Im thinking [...]


Suspension of disbelief shattered.

Why do you keep posting such stupid shit? Find a better hobby, like
alcoholism.


I think he already has a hobby like that. I certainly couldn't
come up with all the stupid shit that he does without a
psychoactive chemical assist.


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On Jan 25, 10:39*pm, Poutnik wrote:


Flames themselves are very poor IR radiants,
compared to solid surfaces of the same temperature.



Just out of curiosity, what entity emits the highest-intensity
[intensity is measured in photons-per-second-per-square-meter] of EM
radiation at wavelengths in the range of 3,000 to 100,000 nm [IR-C
spectrum] yet at the same time emits the lowest-intensity of EM
radiation outside of the IR-C range?
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o.uk...
On 26/01/2011 04:15, GreenXenon wrote:
Hi:

Im thinking of hypothetical oxyhydrogen-fired radiant heater in which
the significant emitter of thermal radiation is the flame itself.

In terms of oxidant/fuel ratio, the flame is lean more oxygen than
hydrogen. Oxygen [O2] is the only oxidant to burn the fuel.

Each and every molecule of the hydrogen is fully-oxidized by the
oxygen. There is also an additional oxygen pumped in with the
oxyhydrogen mixture to ensure that there all hydrogen molecules are
completely burned into water molecules. This is so that there is no
unburned hydrogen to any extent.

There are 6 sides to this radiant heater. Left, right, back, front,
up, and down. The height of the left, right, front and back are the
same. The top and bottom are shorter in length than the heights of the
aforementioned. However, the top and bottom are of the same width as
the widths of the left and right. The front of the heater is what
faces the object intended to be heated. The front consists of eco-
friendly material that is completely transparent to all EM radiation
from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interior of the back of the heater
consists of eco-friendly material that completely reflects all
wavelengths of EM radiation from 100,000 nm to 300 nm. The interiors
of the left and right of the panel also consist of eco-friendly
material that totally reflects wavelengths of EM radiations from
100,000 nm to 300 nm. The bottom of the panel is where the flame is
emitted. The length of the flame is almost as long as the bottom of
the panel. The top of the panel is where hot gases from the combustion
escape this is the exhaust and is as long as the flame. The material
on the front of this heater has a low-enough heat conduction
coefficient that it remains perceptibly cool even though it allows
thermal radiation to escape outward.

There are three pipes attaches to the bottom of this heater. One
carries the hydrogen, while the other two carry oxygen.

This infrared heater is air-tight prior to combustion. Also, prior to
combustion, the only gas present in the heater is additional amount of
oxygen. There is a sufficient amount of oxygen [but not more] such
that the air pressure inside the heater equates to the air pressure
outside the heater this is to prevent any damage to the heating
panel caused by pressure differences. Just before ignition of the
fuel, the correct amount of oxygen is removed such that the high-
temperature of the flame does not raise the internal air pressure to
the point of damage. Also, the ignition is smooth and completely non-
explosive. Just prior to the ignition, an adequate amount of hydrogen
and oxygen are discharged into the heater in the slow, smooth,
continuous manner. Now, when the amount of the oxyhydrogen mixture is
enough for ignition and self-sustaining combustion, an electric spark
is discharged which causes the fuel to catch fire. The amount of flame
is adjustable in terms of height and width however the length is
constant. At the lowest setting there is just enough flame for the IR
radiation to be perceptible as warmth. At the highest setting the
flame nearly fills up the entire heating panel.

Im thinking of two applications for this radiant heater:

1. Use mild versions of the heater in cold parts of the world in
outdoor public places to keep citizens warm such as the roof-tops
dining locations of restaurants in Northern Europe, where the climate
is often cold and wet.
2. More intense versions of this heater can be used to cook food
"medium rare". Think charred pork thats bloody red on the inside.


Thanks,

Green Xenon


Fantastic idea, the steam produced could even be used to cook the
vegtables.

I suggest you would be better spending your time building one instead of
wasting time telling the world about it.


Maybe something that is not cost prohibitive to produce, and/or operate.


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On 1/25/2011 9:51 PM, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jan 25, 8:15 pm, wrote:
Hi:

Im thinking [...]


Suspension of disbelief shattered.

Why do you keep posting such stupid shit? Find a better hobby, like
alcoholism.



Suggest he invent an Oxyhydrogen Radiant Heater STILL, and
kill two birds with one stone.

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On Jan 26, 7:55*am, GreenXenon wrote:
On Jan 25, 10:39*pm, Poutnik wrote:

Flames themselves are very poor IR radiants,
compared to solid surfaces of the same temperature.


Just out of curiosity, what entity emits the highest-intensity
[intensity is measured in photons-per-second-per-square-meter] of EM
radiation at wavelengths in the range of 3,000 to 100,000 nm [IR-C
spectrum] yet at the same time emits the lowest-intensity of EM
radiation outside of the IR-C range?


You do!


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I had to look up that word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emition

emition
- no dictionary results

What's it mean?

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"Poutnik" wrote in message
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I suggest you to study basics of thermal radiation of solid
bodies,
before starting meaningful discussion.

Concerning thermal emition,
bodies with maximum emition in IR-C interval are deeply
frozen bodies.

--
Poutnik


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On 1/26/2011 5:21 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I had to look up that word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emition

emition
- no dictionary results

What's it mean?


He may have been trying to write "emission". Hooked on phonics
didn't work in his case but heck, sum tymes eye caynt spel. :-)

TDD
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Dear Mr Xenon
Reading your posts makes my brain hurt
as a child did people call you stupid and give you swirlies
seems to me they did and now your over compensating
its not working
to me you seem like a idiot
"an Individual with the lowest mental age level (less than three
years) is identified as an idiot"

Respecfully
maxx
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Dear Mr Xenon
Reading your posts makes my brain hurt
as a child did people call you stupid and give you swirlies
seems to me they did and now your over compensating
its not working
to me you seem like a idiot
"an Individual with the lowest mental age level (less than three
years) is identified as an idiot"

Respectfully
maxx

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On 1/26/2011 5:21 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I had to look up that word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emition

emition
- no dictionary results

What's it mean?


He may have been trying to write "emission". Hooked on
phonics
didn't work in his case but heck, sum tymes eye caynt spel.
:-)

TDD




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