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Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.

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> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
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> Lenona.


AFAIK, turnovers are made with puff pastry and are triangular in shape.


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> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
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>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
>>
>> Lenona.

>
> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
> larded pie dough.


Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it, Steve?

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On Jul 17, 1:46*pm, Lenona > wrote:
> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.


Lenona...very good article in Fine Cooking this month.

http://www.finecooking.com/recipes/s...each-pies.aspx


Had a nice twist with pepper jelly and cayenne....
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> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:57:39 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
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>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
>>>>
>>>> Lenona.
>>>
>>> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
>>> larded pie dough.

>>
>> Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it, Steve?

>
> It's your typical Hostess/Home Run pies.


Hey! I am in Scotland! I have no idea what the 'home run's' pies are!


I know the Home Run's
> used to be $3/1.00 but it's been forever since I've priced them.
> And it's been about as long since I've seen them marketed as Amish
> pies, but they're the same trashy crescent-shaped, glazed personal
> pies they sell at the Quickie Mart. Not worth duplicating.
>
> -sw


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Ophelia wrote:
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>> It's your typical Hostess/Home Run pies.

>
> Hey! I am in Scotland! I have no idea what the 'home run's' pies
> are!


I'm not in Scotland and I never heard of them. However, Hostess
pies are the fried kind you hold in your hand rather than eat with
a fork. It's completely encased in crust/dough/whatever.

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> Ophelia wrote:
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote

>
>>> It's your typical Hostess/Home Run pies.

>>
>> Hey! I am in Scotland! I have no idea what the 'home run's' pies
>> are!

>
> I'm not in Scotland and I never heard of them. However, Hostess
> pies are the fried kind you hold in your hand rather than eat with
> a fork. It's completely encased in crust/dough/whatever.


I 've never had one of those.

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>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:57:39 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lenona.
>>>>>
>>>>> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
>>>>> larded pie dough.
>>>>
>>>> Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it,
>>>> Steve?
>>>
>>> It's your typical Hostess/Home Run pies.

>>
>> Hey! I am in Scotland! I have no idea what the 'home run's' pies
>> are!

>
> Ophelia,
>
> You could almost equate this sort of pie to a sweet version of a
> Cornish Pastie, yet there are many variations here in the US. By
> far, the fillings are generally fruit, typically apple, cherry,
> peach. Although, commercially, you will also find some cream pie
> fillings, particularly chocolate, and I've also seen pineapple.
>
> I've personally never heard of a Home Run pie. Perhaps it's a
> regional brand. Hostess is a national brand of baked goods that
> include the semi-circle shaped pies, cupcakes with a bit of cream
> filling squirted inside and iced on top, and assorted other
> "goodies". Personally, I find most of their products sub-par and
> barely edible, but as I said, that's just my own opinion.
>
> http://www.hostesscakes.com/products.asp


Ok so it is a sweet trash type cake?


> As to "Amish" pies, when I lived in Ohio I lived only about 45 miles
> from an area known as "Amish Country". Heavy populations of the
> Amish are found in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana. There may be
> other areas I'm unaware of. However, I digress. In Ohio Amish
> Country, We frequented their restaurants and stores and I never saw
> anything officially labeled an "Amish Pie". The Amish are well known
> for their baking, including really delicious traditional pies made
> with shortcrust pastry and a sweet filling. The fillings they choose
> are almost endless, including almost any fruit one could think of, as
> well as a wide variety of cream pies that include banana cream,
> chocolate cream, coconut cream, egg custard, etc. In their bakeries
> you do see the semi-circle shaped pies for sale, but without a a
> label such as "Amish".
>
> As to these semi-circle shaped pies in general, they fall into two
> categories, either baked or fried. In the southern US these pies are
> usually fried. The fillings are often made from stewed dried fruit
> such as apple, peach, or apricot. When my mother made them, she made
> a dough using either lard or vegetable shortening. The dried fruit
> was soaked, then stewed with a small amount of water and sweeted to
> taste with sugar. The fruit was finally mashed slightly, then
> cooled. The pastry was rolled out about 1/8" thick and cut in
> circles using a small plate 6-7" in diameter as a pattern. Filling
> was placed on one half of the circle, the other half folded over and
> the edges crimped either with fingers or with a fork. The pies were
> then fried in either lard or vegetable shortening until golden brown,
> then turned and the second side fried. They were placed on paper
> towel laid on a cooling rack. They were often served still warm, but
> were also good cold. Sometimes sprinkled with powedered sugar. The
> same instructions could be followed for a baked version except for
> the cooking method. In that case you would bake them at ~375 degrees
> F. until golden brown.
>
> Turnovers differ in that the pastry is usually puff pastry or rough
> puff pastry, and they are always baked. The filling is almost always
> fruit.


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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:16:47 +0100, "Ophelia" >
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> > http://www.hostesscakes.com/products.asp

>
> Ok so it is a sweet trash type cake?


Trash? Ha! Perish the thought! It was my favorite Hostess product
when I was a kid and it fits my current eating criteria. See sig
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Ophelia wrote:
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> >> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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> >>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lenona.
> >>>
> >>> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
> >>> larded pie dough.
> >>
> >> Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it, Steve?

> >
> > It's your typical Hostess/Home Run pies.

>
> Hey! I am in Scotland! I have no idea what the 'home run's' pies are!


<snip>


Think of the worst sort of 'Mr Kipling's' pies if you get those up
North. Firm crust, not easily breakable or digestible


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>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
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>>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
>>>
>>> Lenona.

>>
>> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
>> larded pie dough.

>
> Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it, Steve?


Nothing Amish is worth recreating.


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> nothing Amish is worth recreating.
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Nothing????

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>> nothing Amish is worth recreating.
>>

> Nothing????


They make these crazy good sticky buns in PA.

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>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
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>>>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
>>>>
>>>> Lenona.
>>>
>>> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
>>> larded pie dough.

>>
>> Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it, Steve?

>
> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.


Is that just your opinion or a general one?


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>> "dejablues" > wrote in message
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>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lenona.
>>>>>
>>>>> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
>>>>> larded pie dough.
>>>>
>>>> Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it,
>>>> Steve?
>>>
>>> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.

>>
>> Is that just your opinion or a general one?
>>
>>

>
> It is just that poster's warped opinion. The Amish create some
> delicious food. Most of their food is very simple fair, but very
> homey and tasty.


Ahh, then it is most interesting to me

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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
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>
> Marcia Adams wrote a series of books about Amish cooking which is
> outstanding. My favorite is entitled, "Cooking From Quilt Country".


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On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:59:05 -0400, dejablues wrote:

> Ophelia wrote:
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
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>>>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
>>>>
>>>> Lenona.
>>>
>>> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
>>> larded pie dough.

>>
>> Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it, Steve?

>
> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.


i hear creating new amish is kinda fun for them.

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sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:59:05 -0400, "dejablues"


>> nothing Amish is worth recreating.


>Nothing????


I doesn't have to be recreated so long as it is photographed
for the record.


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On 7/20/2010 6:43 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:59:05 -0400, "dejablues"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> nothing Amish is worth recreating.
>>>

>> Nothing????

>
> They make these crazy good sticky buns in PA.
>
> nancy


They make good whoopie pies.

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On Jul 17, 10:46*am, Lenona > wrote:
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>
> Lenona.


"half moon" pies are found all over the world and go by many names,
empanadas, southern fried pies, pocket pies,
pasties, etc. Almost every culture has some kind of hand carried meat
or fruit in a crust.

I love meat pies like Natchitoches meat pies and any kind of empanada
with meat.

A lot of Southern fried pies are fruit pies. My father loved them
and made them. Usually he baked them instead of frying though on
occassion he just wanted 'fried pies'. My favorite fried fruit pie
is peach.




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On 7/20/2010 5:04 PM, ImStillMags wrote:

> "half moon" pies are found all over the world and go by many names,
> empanadas, southern fried pies, pocket pies,
> pasties, etc. Almost every culture has some kind of hand carried meat
> or fruit in a crust.
>
> I love meat pies like Natchitoches meat pies and any kind of empanada
> with meat.


Did you know... that "Natchitoches" is pronounced "Nack-a-dish"?

And not too far away from Natchitoches, LA is Nacogdoches, TX.
(Pronounced Nack-a-doe-chess).

And to think that some of these Southern people think that I talk funny!


> A lot of Southern fried pies are fruit pies. My father loved them
> and made them. Usually he baked them instead of frying though on
> occassion he just wanted 'fried pies'. My favorite fried fruit pie
> is peach.


Lemon is my favorite.

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On Jul 20, 3:16*pm, George Leppla > wrote:

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> Did you know... that "Natchitoches" is pronounced "Nack-a-dish"?
>
> And *not too far away from Natchitoches, LA is *Nacogdoches, TX.
> (Pronounced Nack-a-doe-chess).
>
> And to think that some of these Southern people think that I talk funny!
>
> > A lot of Southern fried pies are fruit pies. * My father loved them
> > and made them. * Usually he baked them instead of frying though on
> > occassion he just wanted 'fried pies'. * *My favorite fried fruit pie
> > is peach.

>
> Lemon is my favorite.
>
> George L


Yup, I lived in New Orleans for many years.

The recipe I use for Natchitoches meat pies is pretty typical I think.

http://www.hizzoners.com/index.php?o...ites&Itemid=72

Is yours anwhere similar? I like them more spicy.

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On 7/20/2010 5:25 PM, ImStillMags wrote:

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> Yup, I lived in New Orleans for many years.
>
> The recipe I use for Natchitoches meat pies is pretty typical I think.
>
> http://www.hizzoners.com/index.php?o...ites&Itemid=72
>
> Is yours anwhere similar? I like them more spicy.



I've never made them but I've tried them at various places.


> (now watch someone will yell at me for posting my website.....)


Skroom. You've been around here long enough and your posts are
informative enough that you don't have to prove anything.... or worry
about those that might be a touch anal retentive about how they play on
Usenet.

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> Ophelia wrote:
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> >> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
> >>
> >>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
> >>>
> >>> Lenona.
> >>
> >> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
> >> larded pie dough.

> >
> > Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it, Steve?

>
> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.



That's not true at all!

AT one point my team worked on a research project (in Ohio) that
required obtaining blood samples from Amish families. Despite my having
to stick needles in their arms, at *every* household we were offered
piles of wonderful food. We were even given take-away packages of
goodies when we didn't have time to stay for a meal.

It's very 'plain' food but fresh and well-prepared. Abundant didn't even
begin to describe it
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
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>>> delicious food. Most of their food is very simple fair, but very
>>> homey and tasty.

>>
>> Ahh, then it is most interesting to me
>>

>
> Given earlier discussions we had some time ago, Ido think you'd like
> it.


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On 7/20/2010 6:40 PM, Arri London wrote:
> dejablues wrote:
>> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.

> That's not true at all!
>
> AT one point my team worked on a research project (in Ohio) that
> required obtaining blood samples from Amish families. Despite my having
> to stick needles in their arms, at *every* household we were offered
> piles of wonderful food. We were even given take-away packages of
> goodies when we didn't have time to stay for a meal.
>
> It's very 'plain' food but fresh and well-prepared. Abundant didn't even
> begin to describe it
>


In my limited experience, the Amish food I have tasted tended to be
fairly sweet. They cook lima beans in a very sweet BBQ sauce.

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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:14:40 -0400, dejablues wrote:

> "Arri London" > wrote in message
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>>
>> dejablues wrote:
>>>
>>> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.

>>
>>
>> That's not true at all!
>>
>> AT one point my team worked on a research project (in Ohio) that
>> required obtaining blood samples from Amish families. Despite my having
>> to stick needles in their arms, at *every* household we were offered
>> piles of wonderful food. We were even given take-away packages of
>> goodies when we didn't have time to stay for a meal.
>>
>> It's very 'plain' food but fresh and well-prepared. Abundant didn't even
>> begin to describe it

>
> I detest the Amish and all they represent and will never miss a chance to
> bash them. I don't care if people don't like that.
> I understand that they are a very popular group for genetic studies, since
> they are all descended from about 200 immigrants, hence your blood testing
> project.


the amish are coming to rape your wives and daughters!!1!!

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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:14:40 -0400, "dejablues"
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> I detest the Amish and all they represent and will never miss a chance to
> bash them. I don't care if people don't like that.
> I understand that they are a very popular group for genetic studies, since
> they are all descended from about 200 immigrants, hence your blood testing
> project.


That's the only reason you detest them?

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dejablues wrote:
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<snip>

> >> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.

> >
> >
> > That's not true at all!
> >
> > AT one point my team worked on a research project (in Ohio) that
> > required obtaining blood samples from Amish families. Despite my having
> > to stick needles in their arms, at *every* household we were offered
> > piles of wonderful food. We were even given take-away packages of
> > goodies when we didn't have time to stay for a meal.
> >
> > It's very 'plain' food but fresh and well-prepared. Abundant didn't even
> > begin to describe it

>
> I detest the Amish and all they represent and will never miss a chance to
> bash them. I don't care if people don't like that.
> I understand that they are a very popular group for genetic studies, since
> they are all descended from about 200 immigrants, hence your blood testing
> project.



Precisely. We were investigating a genetic disease, cystic fibrosis.
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Becca wrote:
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> On 7/20/2010 6:40 PM, Arri London wrote:
> > dejablues wrote:
> >> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.

> > That's not true at all!
> >
> > AT one point my team worked on a research project (in Ohio) that
> > required obtaining blood samples from Amish families. Despite my having
> > to stick needles in their arms, at *every* household we were offered
> > piles of wonderful food. We were even given take-away packages of
> > goodies when we didn't have time to stay for a meal.
> >
> > It's very 'plain' food but fresh and well-prepared. Abundant didn't even
> > begin to describe it
> >

>
> In my limited experience, the Amish food I have tasted tended to be
> fairly sweet. They cook lima beans in a very sweet BBQ sauce.
>
> Becca


Can't say we were offered anything sweet, other than the obvious
pastries and biscuits/cookies. None of the meat or vegetable dishes were
sweetened. But then there would be regional differences. I wouldn't have
expected the cooking of Ohio Amish to be the same as in Pennsylvania or
Indiana eg.


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> the amish are coming to rape your wives and daughters!!1!!


No, they only rape their *own* daughters. It's a pretty well-known dirty
little Amish secret.

Bob



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On 7/20/2010 11:16 AM, Ophelia wrote:
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> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
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>> On Tue 20 Jul 2010 07:28:06a, Ophelia told us...
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>>> "dejablues" > wrote in message
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>>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
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>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:46:41 -0700 (PDT), Lenona wrote:
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>>>>>>> Aside from the half moon pie being an Amish pastry, I believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lenona.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A turnover is made with a layered dough, an Amish pie with a
>>>>>> larded pie dough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never heard of an Amish pie. Do you have a recipe for it,
>>>>> Steve?
>>>>
>>>> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.
>>>
>>> Is that just your opinion or a general one?
>>>
>>>

>>
>> It is just that poster's warped opinion. The Amish create some
>> delicious food. Most of their food is very simple fair, but very
>> homey and tasty.

>
> Ahh, then it is most interesting to me


Just be aware that they have a sweet tooth--you find massive quantities
of sugar in surprising places.

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> Just be aware that they have a sweet tooth--you find massive quantities of
> sugar in surprising places.


Oh dear, that puts me right off then. I guess if I got my hands on some
actual recipes, I guess it would have shown up.

Now I shan't bother Thanks for that!
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> Marcia Adams hosted a national cooking show which, for the most part,
> followed her published recipes. *It was on our Public Broadcasting
> System in most parts of the country. *IIRC, she later developed a
> serious heart condition that forced her to discontinue the show and
> limited her writing. *I think most of her books are still in print. *
>


I always got a kick of her wigs....

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> As to "Amish" pies, when I lived in Ohio I lived only about 45 miles
> from an area known as "Amish Country". *Heavy populations of the
> Amish are found in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana. *There may be


....and in Iowa, and Michigan I believe, and probably Wisconsin....plus
others.

Ours are known for their jams and jellies (especially apple butter),
mustards, popcorn and ice cream, among other things, and our
supermarkets stock products from local suppliers.
>

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> Nothing Amish is worth recreating.


Your narrow view of the culinary world is noted.

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On Jul 20, 6:43*am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
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> > > wrote:

>
> >> nothing Amish is worth recreating.

>
> > Nothing????

>
> They make these crazy good sticky buns in PA.
>
> nancy


They make crazy good pastries of all kinds, here in Iowa - often sell
at farmers' markets.

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Nancy2 wrote:
> On Jul 20, 6:43 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:59:05 -0400, "dejablues"
>>> > wrote:

>>
>>>> nothing Amish is worth recreating.

>>
>>> Nothing????

>>
>> They make these crazy good sticky buns in PA.


> They make crazy good pastries of all kinds, here in Iowa - often sell
> at farmers' markets.


I can't speak for other Amish cuisine, but they do seem to know how
to bake. Yikes, I don't know how I only buy sticky buns when I get
to Reading Market. Actually, I do ... it's so crowded with customers
I am lucky to get the buns, never mind look around. Googling, I see
that I need to try their carrot cake next time.

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:05:41 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> blake wrote:
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>> the amish are coming to rape your wives and daughters!!1!!

>
> No, they only rape their *own* daughters. It's a pretty well-known dirty
> little Amish secret.
>
> Bob


the family that ****s together stays together...

your pal,
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Becca wrote:
> On 7/20/2010 6:43 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:59:05 -0400, "dejablues"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> nothing Amish is worth recreating.
>>>>
>>> Nothing????

>>
>> They make these crazy good sticky buns in PA.


> They make good whoopie pies.


Guess what, I was at the county fair this evening and there
was an Amish booth selling baked goods. I don't think there
are any Amish locally so I didn't expect to see that. Thanks
to you, what did I buy? Whoopie pies!

nancy
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