cecil adams gets down to cases:

<http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2947/do-microwave-ovens-kill-bacteria>

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> cecil adams gets down to cases:
>
> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2947/do-microwave-ovens-kill-bacteria>
>
> your pal,
> blake

heh heh. i've been a straight doper for years.

On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:01:42 -0400, skeeter wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> cecil adams gets down to cases:
>>
>> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2947/do-microwave-ovens-kill-bacteria>
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> heh heh. i've been a straight doper for years.

cecil knows his shit, and is a good writer as well.

your pal,
blake

On Jul 16, 3:47*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> cecil adams gets down to cases:
>
> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2947/do-microwave-ovens-kill...>
>
> your pal,
> blake

You can kill live bacteria, but it probably won't detoxify the
exotoxins they produces when alive.

Learn a little bit about microbiology! ;-)

John Kuthe...

"blake murphy" wrote:
>> cecil adams gets down to cases:
>>>
>> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2947/do-microwave-ovens-kill-bacteria>
>
> heh heh. i've been a straight doper for years.


The mick is just an ordinary dope.

On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> On Jul 16, 3:47*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> cecil adams gets down to cases:
>>
>> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2947/do-microwave-ovens-kill...>
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> You can kill live bacteria, but it probably won't detoxify the
> exotoxins they produces when alive.
>
> Learn a little bit about microbiology! ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...

how many exotoxins develop in twelve hours?

blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> On Jul 16, 3:47 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>> cecil adams gets down to cases:
>>>
>>> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2947/do-microwave-ovens-kill...>
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>> You can kill live bacteria, but it probably won't detoxify the
>> exotoxins they produces when alive.
>>
>> Learn a little bit about microbiology! ;-)
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> how many exotoxins develop in twelve hours?

Depends, botulism can develop in about that time. Salmonella can grow very
rapidly. All depends on the environment and what the food may have been
innoulated with. High acid foods are safer as are foods with little
moisture content. Also, many toxins are rendered inert from heat. Botulin
is one. Salmonella toxin is heat stable though.

Paul

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:20:25 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 16, 3:47 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>>> cecil adams gets down to cases:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2947/do-microwave-ovens-kill...>
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> You can kill live bacteria, but it probably won't detoxify the
>>> exotoxins they produces when alive.
>>>
>>> Learn a little bit about microbiology! ;-)
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> how many exotoxins develop in twelve hours?
>
> Depends, botulism can develop in about that time. Salmonella can grow very
> rapidly. All depends on the environment and what the food may have been
> innoulated with. High acid foods are safer as are foods with little
> moisture content. Also, many toxins are rendered inert from heat. Botulin
> is one. Salmonella toxin is heat stable though.
>
> Paul

i don't think salmonella is caused by exotoxins:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foodborne_illness#Exotoxins>

....and botulism isn't going to be an issue in a slice of pizza. besides, i
don't even think twelve hours' worth of botulism toxin is going to cause
you any harm:

Food-borne botulism usually results from ingestion of food that has become
contaminated with spores (such as a perforated can) in an anaerobic
environment, allowing the spores to germinate and grow. The growing
(vegetative) bacteria produce toxin. It is the ingestion of preformed toxin
that causes botulism, not the ingestion of the spores or the vegetative
bacteria.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulinum_toxin>

your pal,
blake

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in
:

>
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 16, 3:47 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>>> cecil adams gets down to cases:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...crowave-ovens-
kill
>>>> ...>
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> You can kill live bacteria, but it probably won't detoxify the
>>> exotoxins they produces when alive.
>>>
>>> Learn a little bit about microbiology! ;-)
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> how many exotoxins develop in twelve hours?
>
> Depends, botulism can develop in about that time. Salmonella can grow
> very rapidly. All depends on the environment and what the food may have
> been innoulated with. High acid foods are safer as are foods with
> little moisture content. Also, many toxins are rendered inert from
> heat. Botulin is one. Salmonella toxin is heat stable though.
>
> Paul
>
>


If you're going to eat leftover pizza in the 'morning after', eat it cold,
and have it with cold Coke. That kills all germs :-)

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.