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Multilayer barrier pouches are entering food and beverage markets that were
never before penetrated. Spirits are the latest application, specifically
ShotPak, a 50 ml flask-shaped pouch filled with ready-to-drink cocktails
that can go where glass containers can't. Beverage Pouch Group (BPG) LLC,
Sarasota, FL, markets the pouches in boxed multipacks of six and 12 pouches,
and the product is racking up sales with distributors in nearly a dozen
states.
"There's lots of activity around our new pouch package. Busy, on-the-go
consumers are always asking for something new, and our natural
ready-to-drink pouches stand out on the store shelves," says R. Charles
Murray, Beverage Pouch Group CEO. "Until now we have not really ventured
outside of Florida on the East Coast, but we have seen a lot of national
interest, which has been great."

The three brand categories include: ShotPak ready-to-drink cocktails;
Shotpak and California Blue Premiums; and STR8UP spirits. Mixed-drink
flavors include everything from popular favorites such as mojitos,
cosmopolitans, martinis and pina coladas to kamikazes, lemon drops and sour
apple flavors, with color-coordinated graphics.

BPG also markets wine, water and beer in multilayer pouches under the
VinoPaq, BevPaq, and BeerPaq brands.

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On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:32:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...g_You_bet_.php

Even m,ore versatile: Porta Shots

<http://www.alibaba.com/product/za106807584-107569024-0/Porta_Shots_alcohol.html>

I've seen them at several liquor stores, but I have no use for them
so I haven't tried them.

-sw

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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...g_You_bet_.php
>
> Multilayer barrier pouches are entering food and beverage markets that
> were never before penetrated. Spirits are the latest application,
> specifically ShotPak, a 50 ml flask-shaped pouch filled with
> ready-to-drink cocktails that can go where glass containers can't.
> Beverage Pouch Group (BPG) LLC, Sarasota, FL, markets the pouches in boxed
> multipacks of six and 12 pouches, and the product is racking up sales with
> distributors in nearly a dozen states.
> "There's lots of activity around our new pouch package. Busy, on-the-go
> consumers are always asking for something new, and our natural
> ready-to-drink pouches stand out on the store shelves," says R. Charles
> Murray, Beverage Pouch Group CEO. "Until now we have not really ventured
> outside of Florida on the East Coast, but we have seen a lot of national
> interest, which has been great."
>
> The three brand categories include: ShotPak ready-to-drink cocktails;
> Shotpak and California Blue Premiums; and STR8UP spirits. Mixed-drink
> flavors include everything from popular favorites such as mojitos,
> cosmopolitans, martinis and pina coladas to kamikazes, lemon drops and
> sour apple flavors, with color-coordinated graphics.
>
> BPG also markets wine, water and beer in multilayer pouches under the
> VinoPaq, BevPaq, and BeerPaq brands.
>
>

great...another asian packaging company.

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On 2010-03-09, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Multilayer barrier pouches are entering food and beverage markets that were
> never before penetrated.

While not new, the applications are. Been used for wine and soda pop
syrup fer ages. Frankly, I'm glad to see more widespread use. Glass
has been a hazard plaguing us for far too long. I can still vividly
see that happy picnicing family enjoying the river on a hot Summer day
and one of the adults wade into the water from the bank and step on a
large piece of broken glass, buried in the mud, that damn near amputated
his big toe. Now, if they can just make those pouches biodegradable.

nb ...who never goes barefoot, anymore!

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On Mar 9, 6:32*am, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...a_bag_You_bet_...
>
> Multilayer barrier pouches are entering food and beverage markets that were
> never before penetrated. Spirits are the latest application, specifically
> ShotPak, a 50 ml flask-shaped pouch filled with ready-to-drink cocktails
> that can go where glass containers can't. Beverage Pouch Group (BPG) LLC,
> Sarasota, FL, markets the pouches in boxed multipacks of six and 12 pouches,
> and the product is racking up sales with distributors in nearly a dozen
> states.
> "There's lots of activity around our new pouch package. Busy, on-the-go
> consumers are always asking for something new, and our natural
> ready-to-drink pouches stand out on the store shelves," says R. Charles
> Murray, Beverage Pouch Group CEO. "Until now we have not really ventured
> outside of Florida on the East Coast, but we have seen a lot of national
> interest, which has been great."
>
> The three brand categories include: ShotPak ready-to-drink cocktails;
> Shotpak and California Blue Premiums; and STR8UP spirits. Mixed-drink
> flavors include everything from popular favorites such as mojitos,
> cosmopolitans, martinis and pina coladas to kamikazes, lemon drops and sour
> apple flavors, with color-coordinated graphics.
>
> BPG also markets wine, water and beer in multilayer pouches under the
> VinoPaq, BevPaq, and BeerPaq brands.

I wonder what happens if someone tries to take one of those pouches on
a plane?

Can't be long till they are banned in carry on......too easy to put
something 'explosive' in one ....

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notbob wrote:

> While not new, the applications are. Been used for wine and soda pop
> syrup fer ages. Frankly, I'm glad to see more widespread use. Glass
> has been a hazard plaguing us for far too long. I can still vividly
> see that happy picnicing family enjoying the river on a hot Summer day
> and one of the adults wade into the water from the bank and step on a
> large piece of broken glass, buried in the mud, that damn near amputated
> his big toe. Now, if they can just make those pouches biodegradable.
>
> nb ...who never goes barefoot, anymore!

Thanks to mandating return of empty bottles, that is nowhere near the
problem that it used to be. I remember what it was like when I was a
kid and there was broken glass everywhere. I seldom see it anymore.

FWIW.... the liquor stores here now charge a deposit on all their
containers. However, not that spring is here and the snow is melting
there are lots of empty beer, wine and liquor bottles growing at the
side of the road.

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:23:51 GMT, notbob wrote:

> On 2010-03-09, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> Multilayer barrier pouches are entering food and beverage markets that were
>> never before penetrated.
>
> While not new, the applications are. Been used for wine and soda pop
> syrup fer ages. Frankly, I'm glad to see more widespread use. Glass
> has been a hazard plaguing us for far too long. I can still vividly
> see that happy picnicing family enjoying the river on a hot Summer day
> and one of the adults wade into the water from the bank and step on a
> large piece of broken glass, buried in the mud, that damn near amputated
> his big toe. Now, if they can just make those pouches biodegradable.
>
> nb ...who never goes barefoot, anymore!

me either.

your pal,
blake

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On 2010-03-09, Dave Smith > wrote:

> Thanks to mandating return of empty bottles, that is nowhere near the
> problem that it used to be.

While I agree the problem has lessened, the beverage companies and
distributors viciously fight any and all proposed legislation
requiring return of bottles and in many states, like CA, it is
strictly voluntary. This also only applies mostly to glass soda and
beer bottles. It never addresses liquor and wine bottles, glass jars,
etc, although plastic bottles are becoming more common for spirits.

nb

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notbob wrote:
> On 2010-03-09, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> Thanks to mandating return of empty bottles, that is nowhere near the
>> problem that it used to be.
>
> While I agree the problem has lessened, the beverage companies and
> distributors viciously fight any and all proposed legislation
> requiring return of bottles and in many states, like CA, it is
> strictly voluntary. This also only applies mostly to glass soda and
> beer bottles. It never addresses liquor and wine bottles, glass jars,
> etc, although plastic bottles are becoming more common for spirits.
>

Perhaps that is one of the advantages of government run liquor stores.
Glass soft drink bottles have required a deposit for as long as I can
remember, but not cans and plastic. However, there are not many soft
drinks sold in glass bottles anymore. Almost all are now sold in cans
and bottles. They have to be recycled in most municipalities around
here. Our town started recycling programs a few years ago.

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Dave Smith wrote:
> notbob wrote:

>> While I agree the problem has lessened, the beverage companies and
>> distributors viciously fight any and all proposed legislation
>> requiring return of bottles and in many states, like CA, it is
>> strictly voluntary. This also only applies mostly to glass soda and
>> beer bottles. It never addresses liquor and wine bottles, glass
>> jars, etc, although plastic bottles are becoming more common for
>> spirits.

> Perhaps that is one of the advantages of government run liquor stores.
> Glass soft drink bottles have required a deposit for as long as I can
> remember, but not cans and plastic. However, there are not many soft
> drinks sold in glass bottles anymore. Almost all are now sold in cans
> and bottles. They have to be recycled in most municipalities around
> here. Our town started recycling programs a few years ago.

We've had mandatory glass/plastic cans and bottles recycling in my state
for a a good decade now. Perhaps the larger states don't have it because
they have more room to dump garbage. We pay other states to take
our trash so it's a financial policy. We also don't have government
run liquor stores, or deposits on cans or bottles.

nancy

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On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:

> We've had mandatory glass/plastic cans and bottles recycling in my state
> for a a good decade now. Perhaps the larger states don't have it because
> they have more room to dump garbage.

No, it's the beverage industry that stops it. It's an expense for
them and they fight it ruthlessly. When I lived in OR, way back in
the 70s, they had it licked from the get go. Two cents on every beer
bottle, five cents on qt bottle and beer can. It worked brilliantly
cuz it put the onus on the drinker. They wanted that money back to
buy more! Never saw a beer/soda can lying around.

In CA, which has tons of room, the bev industry has successfully
fought it for decades. It was finally the state that offered money
per lb for aluminum that ppl started recycling alum cans. What the
buyer doesn't care to do, the homeless WILL do ...again!, for the $$$.
Glass still has zero $$ value and is recycled only by conscientious
ppl. With the ever growing craft beer mkt only bottling in glass, the
problem is actually growing again, there being no incentive to recycle
glass (no $$).

nb

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On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 07:24:46 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> I wonder what happens if someone tries to take one of those pouches on
> a plane?
>
> Can't be long till they are banned in carry on......too easy to put
> something 'explosive' in one ....

I would imagine they already fall under the same rules as all the
other liquid containers.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:

> We've had mandatory glass/plastic cans and bottles recycling in my state
> for a a good decade now. Perhaps the larger states don't have it because
> they have more room to dump garbage.

No, it's the beverage industry that stops it. It's an expense for
them and they fight it ruthlessly. When I lived in OR, way back in
the 70s, they had it licked from the get go. Two cents on every beer
bottle, five cents on qt bottle and beer can. It worked brilliantly
cuz it put the onus on the drinker. They wanted that money back to
buy more! Never saw a beer/soda can lying around.

In CA, which has tons of room, the bev industry has successfully
fought it for decades. It was finally the state that offered money
per lb for aluminum that ppl started recycling alum cans. What the
buyer doesn't care to do, the homeless WILL do ...again!, for the $$$.
Glass still has zero $$ value and is recycled only by conscientious
ppl. With the ever growing craft beer mkt only bottling in glass, the
problem is actually growing again, there being no incentive to recycle
glass (no $$).

nb

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notbob wrote:
> On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>> We've had mandatory glass/plastic cans and bottles recycling in my
>> state for a a good decade now. Perhaps the larger states don't have
>> it because they have more room to dump garbage.
>
> No, it's the beverage industry that stops it. It's an expense for
> them and they fight it ruthlessly.

Recycling glass is expensive for them? My town collects the
recyclables. The beverage industry doesn't pay for it. I don't
know how much money they make from selling it, but they save
money by not paying dumping fees on it. They collect newspapers,
too. It's cheaper to recycle than pay to dump them.

nancy

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On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
> Recycling glass is expensive for them? My town collects the
> recyclables. The beverage industry doesn't pay for it.

Oregon had this problem solved over 35 yrs ago. Most states are
newcomers to the game. Why? OR put it all on the beverage industry,
producers, distributors, etc. Other states have had to pick up the
ball on the taxpayer's dime. In most states, the beverage industry
has dodged the bullet completely. Unless there's some sort of
taxes/fees on the bev industry in your state, "My town" translates
into YOUR expense.

nb

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On 3/9/2010 10:34 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
>> While not new, the applications are. Been used for wine and soda pop
>> syrup fer ages. Frankly, I'm glad to see more widespread use. Glass
>> has been a hazard plaguing us for far too long. I can still vividly
>> see that happy picnicing family enjoying the river on a hot Summer day
>> and one of the adults wade into the water from the bank and step on a
>> large piece of broken glass, buried in the mud, that damn near amputated
>> his big toe. Now, if they can just make those pouches biodegradable.
>>
>> nb ...who never goes barefoot, anymore!
>
> Thanks to mandating return of empty bottles, that is nowhere near the
> problem that it used to be. I remember what it was like when I was a kid
> and there was broken glass everywhere. I seldom see it anymore.
>
I remember the same except for a move by the genius politicians in a
nearby city a winter ago. The county runs a huge recycling center that
services multiple counties. Apparently some of the glass has little
resale value so they got the bright idea of grinding it up and using it
for anti-skid material in the winter. Many areas looked like the ghetto
with sparkly glass fragments all over.


> FWIW.... the liquor stores here now charge a deposit on all their
> containers. However, not that spring is here and the snow is melting
> there are lots of empty beer, wine and liquor bottles growing at the
> side of the road.

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notbob wrote:
> On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>
>> Recycling glass is expensive for them? My town collects the
>> recyclables. The beverage industry doesn't pay for it.
>
> Oregon had this problem solved over 35 yrs ago. Most states are
> newcomers to the game. Why? OR put it all on the beverage industry,
> producers, distributors, etc. Other states have had to pick up the
> ball on the taxpayer's dime. In most states, the beverage industry
> has dodged the bullet completely. Unless there's some sort of
> taxes/fees on the bev industry in your state, "My town" translates
> into YOUR expense.

Yeah, they make what they can from selling the recyclables, which
includes more than the mandatory glass/plastic/newspapers. We
pay to have our garbage removed, no different if the garbage is
glass or not. Whatever they do with it costs less than dumping it
with the rest of the trash, so we come out ahead. Everything comes
in some kind of container, those industries don't pay to get theirs
back, either.

nancy

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On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:54:14 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>> On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>>
>>> Recycling glass is expensive for them? My town collects the
>>> recyclables. The beverage industry doesn't pay for it.
>>
>> Oregon had this problem solved over 35 yrs ago. Most states are
>> newcomers to the game. Why? OR put it all on the beverage industry,
>> producers, distributors, etc. Other states have had to pick up the
>> ball on the taxpayer's dime. In most states, the beverage industry
>> has dodged the bullet completely. Unless there's some sort of
>> taxes/fees on the bev industry in your state, "My town" translates
>> into YOUR expense.
>
>Yeah, they make what they can from selling the recyclables, which
>includes more than the mandatory glass/plastic/newspapers. We
>pay to have our garbage removed, no different if the garbage is
>glass or not. Whatever they do with it costs less than dumping it
>with the rest of the trash, so we come out ahead. Everything comes
>in some kind of container, those industries don't pay to get theirs
>back, either.
>

When I lived in Hampton, VA we had voluntary recycling, but recyclers
got a cut on the garbage collection fee. Anything that would burn
went to NASA's incinerator that generated steam for NASA Langley and
Langley AFB.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

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>>notbob wrote:
>>> On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Recycling glass is expensive for them? My town collects the
>>>> recyclables. The beverage industry doesn't pay for it.

Recycling glass is easy, it's ground up and added to asphalt and
concrete roadways... ground tires are added to asphalt too. This also
makes roadways last longer. Now discarded electronics are ground up
and added to paving.

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On 2010-03-09, George > wrote:

> for anti-skid material in the winter. Many areas looked like the ghetto
> with sparkly glass fragments all over.

It's been determined and documented, after the fact, of course, that
roadbeds made of this recycled crushed glass accelerate the wear on
your tires. Again, you pay. Donchya jes love it!? ;)

nb

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Nancy Young wrote:

>> Perhaps that is one of the advantages of government run liquor stores.
>> Glass soft drink bottles have required a deposit for as long as I can
>> remember, but not cans and plastic. However, there are not many soft
>> drinks sold in glass bottles anymore. Almost all are now sold in cans
>> and bottles. They have to be recycled in most municipalities around
>> here. Our town started recycling programs a few years ago.
>
> We've had mandatory glass/plastic cans and bottles recycling in my state
> for a a good decade now. Perhaps the larger states don't have it
> because they have more room to dump garbage. We pay other states to take
> our trash so it's a financial policy. We also don't have government
> run liquor stores, or deposits on cans or bottles.


I suppose that people who bitch and complain and the work and the
expense. It is going to be work and expense to clean up the mess anyway.

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notbob wrote:
> On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
>> We've had mandatory glass/plastic cans and bottles recycling in my state
>> for a a good decade now. Perhaps the larger states don't have it because
>> they have more room to dump garbage.
>
> No, it's the beverage industry that stops it. It's an expense for
> them and they fight it ruthlessly. When I lived in OR, way back in
> the 70s, they had it licked from the get go. Two cents on every beer
> bottle, five cents on qt bottle and beer can. It worked brilliantly
> cuz it put the onus on the drinker. They wanted that money back to
> buy more! Never saw a beer/soda can lying around.


It puts the onus on the distrbutors too because they are the ones who
have to charge the deposit, hand out the refunds and handle the empties.
AFAIAC, that is fair, since they are profiting from something that the
rest of us are going to have to pay to deal with. While there are lots
of beer and liguor bottles along the side of the road in the spring they
disappear quickly. There is always someone who will go out and pick them
up and take them back for the deposit. given the amount of fast food
trash that ends up at the side of the road I wouldn't be opposed to
deposits on their stuff too.



>
> In CA, which has tons of room, the bev industry has successfully
> fought it for decades. It was finally the state that offered money
> per lb for aluminum that ppl started recycling alum cans. What the
> buyer doesn't care to do, the homeless WILL do ...again!, for the $$$.
> Glass still has zero $$ value and is recycled only by conscientious
> ppl. With the ever growing craft beer mkt only bottling in glass, the
> problem is actually growing again, there being no incentive to recycle
> glass (no $$).

Glass is a problem. When the recycling program started up here the was a
big stink raised when it turned out that it was going to the dump
anyway. Needless to say it was a waste of the consumers' energy to sort
the recyclables and put them out in separate containers and a waste of
money to have separate trucks and crews to pick it up, take it to the
recycling centre, dump it, then load it back into another truck to go to
the dump.

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On Mar 9, 12:59 pm, The Cook > wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:54:14 -0500, "Nancy Young"
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >notbob wrote:
> >> On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:
>
> >>> Recycling glass is expensive for them? My town collects the
> >>> recyclables. The beverage industry doesn't pay for it.
>
> >> Oregon had this problem solved over 35 yrs ago. Most states are
> >> newcomers to the game. Why? OR put it all on the beverage industry,
> >> producers, distributors, etc. Other states have had to pick up the
> >> ball on the taxpayer's dime. In most states, the beverage industry
> >> has dodged the bullet completely. Unless there's some sort of
> >> taxes/fees on the bev industry in your state, "My town" translates
> >> into YOUR expense.
>
> >Yeah, they make what they can from selling the recyclables, which
> >includes more than the mandatory glass/plastic/newspapers. We
> >pay to have our garbage removed, no different if the garbage is
> >glass or not. Whatever they do with it costs less than dumping it
> >with the rest of the trash, so we come out ahead. Everything comes
> >in some kind of container, those industries don't pay to get theirs
> >back, either.
>
> When I lived in Hampton, VA we had voluntary recycling, but recyclers
> got a cut on the garbage collection fee. Anything that would burn
> went to NASA's incinerator that generated steam for NASA Langley and
> Langley AFB.
> --
> Susan N.
>
> "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
> 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
> Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

In Chicago, the alley scavengers did a really good job on cans, and
anything ese of value. (Chicago has recently upgraded from their
stupid "blue bag" system, to separate cans and trucks). I read
something once from some Chicago garbage authority who said that
whatever bin you put stuff in, if there is a buck to be made
recycling, it gets recycled, otherwise it is in the waste stream.

Michigan has a deposit on beer and soda cans and bottles, but not
liquor/wine/water/juice. It sort of works, but is messy. Bins at
small stores, expensive crushing machines at the big ones. You have
to have someplace at home to keep stuff until you have enough to
bother taking in. If this is the system of choice, there should be
hefty deposits on every packaging. For the consumer it is a one-time
expense - a case of beer of soda or water may cost a couple of dollars
more the first time, but then you roll it over on the next case and
you have an incentive to avoid the land fill. If you leave it at the
piknik grounds, someone will have incentive to clean up after you.
When I was little, there was a construction site between school and
home; I got my candy and comic book money from the soda bottles I
picked up on the way home.

Whatever happend to reusable bottles? When I was a kid, bottles were
returned to the distributor and refilled. Much more efficient than
crushing, figuring out a use for this "new" material and then making
new containers.

Bulka

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:50:50 GMT, notbob wrote:

> On 2010-03-09, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> Thanks to mandating return of empty bottles, that is nowhere near the
>> problem that it used to be.
>
> While I agree the problem has lessened, the beverage companies and
> distributors viciously fight any and all proposed legislation
> requiring return of bottles and in many states, like CA, it is
> strictly voluntary. This also only applies mostly to glass soda and
> beer bottles. It never addresses liquor and wine bottles, glass jars,
> etc, although plastic bottles are becoming more common for spirits.
>
> nb

no doubt it will turn out that spirits bottled in plastic cause green hair
to grow on your liver.

your pal,
blake

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:26:35 -0500, brooklyn1 wrote:

>>>notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Recycling glass is expensive for them? My town collects the
>>>>> recyclables. The beverage industry doesn't pay for it.
>
> Recycling glass is easy, it's ground up and added to asphalt and
> concrete roadways... ground tires are added to asphalt too. This also
> makes roadways last longer. Now discarded electronics are ground up
> and added to paving.

what, um, rubbish. electronics are filled with lead and other heavy
metals, and other noxious substances:

# Electronic equipment contain toxic compounds such as lead, mercury,
cadmium, and brominated flame retardants.

# These toxic compounds can leach into the soil and water supplies or
contaminate our air, if electronics are sent to landfills or incinerated.

# Discarded electronics, called e-waste, are the fastest growing waste
stream in the U.S. By 2010 over 3 billion electronics will be scrapped or
an average of about 400 million units a year.

# Currently, less than 25% of obsolete electronics are being recycled. And
the majority of the electronics collected for recycling or re-use are
exported to developing countries with no worker safety or environmental
programs in places.

blake

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:26:35 -0500, brooklyn1 wrote:

>>>notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2010-03-09, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Recycling glass is expensive for them? My town collects the
>>>>> recyclables. The beverage industry doesn't pay for it.
>
> Recycling glass is easy, it's ground up and added to asphalt and
> concrete roadways... ground tires are added to asphalt too. This also
> makes roadways last longer. Now discarded electronics are ground up
> and added to paving.

what, um, rubbish. electronics are filled with lead and other heavy
metals, and other noxious substances:

# Electronic equipment contain toxic compounds such as lead, mercury,
cadmium, and brominated flame retardants.

# These toxic compounds can leach into the soil and water supplies or
contaminate our air, if electronics are sent to landfills or incinerated.

# Discarded electronics, called e-waste, are the fastest growing waste
stream in the U.S. By 2010 over 3 billion electronics will be scrapped or
an average of about 400 million units a year.

# Currently, less than 25% of obsolete electronics are being recycled. And
the majority of the electronics collected for recycling or re-use are
exported to developing countries with no worker safety or environmental
programs in places.

blake

oops, forgot the source:

<http://www.deq.utah.gov/Pollution_Prevention/electronics.htm>

b.

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"blake murphy" ha scritto nel messaggio
notbob wrote:
>
It never addresses liquor and wine bottles, glass jars,
>> etc, although plastic bottles are becoming more common for spirits.

> no doubt it will turn out that spirits bottled in plastic cause green
> hair> to grow on your liver.

This all is causing all new horizons for old age to pop into my head. Where
once I might have feared living in a box and drinking from a paper bag, now
I have this vision of sucking up strange rum drinks from little sacks. I
think you couldn't live in a fridge box with this high tech thing, so maybe
a styrofoam crate?

Booze in a bag
 

On Mar 10, 1:00*pm, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "blake murphy" *ha scritto nel messaggionotbob wrote:
>
> * It never addresses liquor and wine bottles, glass jars,
>
> >> etc, although plastic bottles are becoming more common for spirits.
> > no doubt it will turn out that spirits bottled in plastic cause green
> > hair> to grow on your liver.
>
> This all is causing all new horizons for old age to pop into my head. *Where
> once I might have feared living in a box and drinking from a paper bag, now
> I have this vision of sucking up strange rum drinks from little sacks. *I
> think you couldn't live in a fridge box with this high tech thing, so maybe
> a styrofoam crate?

Sadly, they don't put refrigerators in cardboard boxes anymore...they
are all wrapped with plastic and styrofoam for shipping.