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MY MOM HAS JUST FOUND OUT THAT SHE IS DIABETIC. SHE WILL BE VISITING ME
FOR A WEEK IN MAY, I WAS WONDERING, IF THE IS A WEB SITE TO GET EASY TO
MAKE RECIPES FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES?

THANKS......

Wishing For Peace In The New Year

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"Gail Lafountain" > wrote in message
...
> MY MOM HAS JUST FOUND OUT THAT SHE IS DIABETIC. SHE WILL BE VISITING ME
> FOR A WEEK IN MAY, I WAS WONDERING, IF THE IS A WEB SITE TO GET EASY TO
> MAKE RECIPES FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES?
>
> THANKS......
>
> Wishing For Peace In The New Year

Hi, Gail. Just a hint - please don't type in all capital letters. In
Usenet, it's considered shouting and pretty rude. Here's a link to many
diabetic recipes:

http://www.diabeticgourmet.com/recipes/

Good luck to your Mom.

Dora

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MY MOM HAS JUST FOUND OUT THAT SHE IS DIABETIC. SHE WILL BE VISITING ME
FOR A WEEK IN MAY, I WAS WONDERING, IF THE IS A WEB SITE TO GET EASY TO
MAKE RECIPES FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES?
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Hi Gail
I've been a diabetic for the last 10 years taking 5 injections a day.
The American Diabetic Association also has a excellent web site for
recipes also, but you should ask your mother about details of her diet
the drs have her following so you can plan around her calorie intake
carbs per meal etc.
If you have any questions feel free to e-mail me privately.

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"limey" > wrote in
:

>
> "Gail Lafountain" > wrote in message
> ...
>> MY MOM HAS JUST FOUND OUT THAT SHE IS DIABETIC. SHE WILL BE VISITING
>> ME FOR A WEEK IN MAY, I WAS WONDERING, IF THE IS A WEB SITE TO GET
>> EASY TO MAKE RECIPES FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES?
>>
>> THANKS......
>>
>> Wishing For Peace In The New Year
>
> Hi, Gail. Just a hint - please don't type in all capital letters. In
> Usenet, it's considered shouting and pretty rude. Here's a link to
> many diabetic recipes:
>
> http://www.diabeticgourmet.com/recipes/
>
> Good luck to your Mom.
>
> Dora

There is also a newsgroup, alt.food.diabetic

Wayne

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>Duh'Wayne Boatboob says nothing:
>
7.bay.webtv.putz fabricates:
>
>>I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY <S>BLIND</S> DUMB.
>
>Sharon, it was not I who made a comment about your typing in caps.







---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
Sheldon
````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

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Sharon and Ernest in Florida > wrote:

> I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND HAVE TO TYPE IN CAPS
> TO SEE IT. SO NOT ALL OF US DO IT TO BE RUDE SOME JUST HAVE TO

Okay, but please turn off the html stuff. You might also want to
include an automatic signature to explain why you use all caps.

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>> Sharon and Ernest in Florida > wrote:
>>
>> > I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND HAVE TO TYPE IN CAPS
>> > TO SEE IT. SO NOT ALL OF US DO IT TO BE RUDE SOME JUST HAVE TO

This doesn't seem to make sense. Mixed case text is *easier* to read
than all caps. Even WebTV has an option for large-size font(s).

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Frogleg > wrote in
:

>
>>> Sharon and Ernest in Florida > wrote:
>>>
>>> > I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND HAVE TO TYPE
>>> > IN CAPS TO SEE IT. SO NOT ALL OF US DO IT TO BE RUDE SOME JUST
>>> > HAVE TO
>
> This doesn't seem to make sense. Mixed case text is *easier* to read
> than all caps. Even WebTV has an option for large-size font(s).
>

It may defy your logic, but I know of at least two other newsgroups where
several people with low vision post in all caps and have stated that they
can clearly (no pun intended) read it better when typing. At least two of
the posters have included their reason in their sig. Who are we to judge,
that is, until we also have low vision.

Wayne

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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:41:46 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>Frogleg > wrote
>>
>>>> Sharon and Ernest in Florida > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND HAVE TO TYPE
>>>> > IN CAPS TO SEE IT. SO NOT ALL OF US DO IT TO BE RUDE SOME JUST
>>>> > HAVE TO
>>
>> This doesn't seem to make sense. Mixed case text is *easier* to read
>> than all caps. Even WebTV has an option for large-size font(s).
>>
>It may defy your logic, but I know of at least two other newsgroups where
>several people with low vision post in all caps and have stated that they
>can clearly (no pun intended) read it better when typing. At least two of
>the posters have included their reason in their sig. Who are we to judge,
>that is, until we also have low vision.

That's why I wrote "seem to," Wayne. My vision is poor but
correctable, except that not even swapping between reading and driving
lenses suits all situations. I find reading all caps a great deal more
difficult than mixed-case. The normal recognition of many words is,
for me, *aided* by the shape of "I do not mean" rather than
deciphering "I DO NOT MEAN" letter by letter.

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I've known a few blind people over the course of my life. Their typing
has been perfect including capitals, lower case, punctuation, the works.
Since a computer designed for the blind can make the typeface any
size, I don't understand how all caps could be easier. (I believe what
you say; I'm just trying to puzzle this out.) Special computers can
also raise dots in a way for reading Braille. Still, the bottom line is
that no one has to read anything they don't want to. I can't stand
reading messages in all caps so I skip those.


--Lia

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>Frogdope
>
Duh'Wayne BoatBoob wrote:
>>Frogdope wrote
>>>
>>>>> Sharon and Ernest in Florida > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND HAVE TO TYPE
>>>>> > IN CAPS TO SEE IT. SO NOT ALL OF US DO IT TO BE RUDE SOME JUST
>>>>> > HAVE TO
>>>
>>> This doesn't seem to make sense. Mixed case text is *easier* to read
>>> than all caps. Even WebTV has an option for large-size font(s).
>>>
>>It may defy your logic, but I know of at least two other newsgroups where
>>several people with low vision post in all caps and have stated that they
>>can clearly (no pun intended) read it better when typing. At least two of
>>the posters have included their reason in their sig. Who are we to judge,
>>that is, until we also have low vision.

This is all BS... there are Display and Accesibility settings that can easily
facilitate ones ability for decipher text... and there is software that can be
installed with even more options, and if that is not enough there are
projection devices which enable viewing whatever is displayed on ones minitor,
greatly enlarged on a motion picture screen. Anyway, anyone who claims that
they are legally blind but can decipher normal range upper case is a liar.

ALL WEB-TVERS ARE BY DEFAULT LEGALLY <STRONG>DUMB</STRONG>.

>That's why I wrote "seem to," Wayne. My vision is poor but
>correctable, except that not even swapping between reading and driving
>lenses suits all situations. I find reading all caps a great deal more
>difficult than mixed-case. The normal recognition of many words is,
>for me, *aided* by the shape of "I do not mean" rather than
>deciphering "I DO NOT MEAN" letter by letter.

---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
Sheldon
````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

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Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
> I've known a few blind people over the course of my life. Their typing
> has been perfect including capitals, lower case, punctuation, the works.
> Since a computer designed for the blind can make the typeface any
> size, I don't understand how all caps could be easier. (I believe what
> you say; I'm just trying to puzzle this out.)

What I don't understand is, since we all type in capitals and lower
case, if they can't read it, how are they reading anything we say?

nancy

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> Nancy Young writes:
>
>Julia Altshuler wrote:
>>
>> I've known a few blind people over the course of my life. Their typing
>> has been perfect including capitals, lower case, punctuation, the works.
>> Since a computer designed for the blind can make the typeface any
>> size, I don't understand how all caps could be easier. (I believe what
>> you say; I'm just trying to puzzle this out.)
>
>What I don't understand is, since we all type in capitals and lower
>case, if they can't read it, how are they reading anything we say?

Um, the software Julia is speaking of displays outgoing and *incoming* text in
boldened and enlarged type (of course software can't be installed with web tv).
But in this case the whiner is a lying web tv'er... no legally blind person
would opt to use web tv... why further handicap themselves?


---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
Sheldon
````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

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Sharon and Ernest in Florida wrote:

> I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND HAVE TO TYPE IN CAPS
> TO SEE IT. SO NOT ALL OF US DO IT TO BE RUDE SOME JUST HAVE TO
>

Try typing in mixed case using a very large font. I think you will find
it's easier for you to read. You should be able to set your newsreader
to display plain text in any size you want, making it easier to read
people's replies as well as your own typing.

Best regards,
Bob

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In article >,
wrote:

> Julia Altshuler wrote:
> >
> > I've known a few blind people over the course of my life. Their typing
> > has been perfect including capitals, lower case, punctuation, the works.
> > Since a computer designed for the blind can make the typeface any
> > size, I don't understand how all caps could be easier. (I believe what
> > you say; I'm just trying to puzzle this out.)


> What I don't understand is, since we all type in capitals and lower
> case, if they can't read it, how are they reading anything we say?


I believe that the poster said that they were LEGALLY blind. This means
that they can see but not well enough. Typing in all caps might just make
the letters big enough for a person to read when they couldn't see the
lower case letters. In any case, the better solution would be just to
make ALL the letters bigger by increasing the font size. I don't know how
to do that in WEBtv, but one poster here claims that it can be done.


When a person can barely read something, it creates a lot of eyestrain.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

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Julia Altshuler > wrote in message news:<enPTb.169872$5V2.855893@attbi_s53>...
> I've known a few blind people over the course of my life. Their typing
> has been perfect including capitals, lower case, punctuation, the works.

I would expect a typewriter or computer keyboard might be easier to
use than a Perkins brailler because you only press one key at a time.

> Since a computer designed for the blind can make the typeface any
> size, I don't understand how all caps could be easier. (I believe what

I believe that there is serious refereed published research which
indicates that, at least for normally sighted people, mixed case is
easier to read because the ascenders and descenders create a kind of
envelope that helps the reader predict what a word will be before he
actually focuses on it. Similarly, text printed with a ragged right
margin is easier to read than right justified text.

> you say; I'm just trying to puzzle this out.) Special computers can
> also raise dots in a way for reading Braille. Still, the bottom line is
> that no one has to read anything they don't want to. I can't stand
> reading messages in all caps so I skip those.
>
>
> --Lia

-bwg

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Dan Abel wrote:
>
> In article >,
> wrote:
>
> > Julia Altshuler wrote:
> > >
> > > I've known a few blind people over the course of my life. Their typing
> > > has been perfect including capitals, lower case, punctuation, the works.
> > > Since a computer designed for the blind can make the typeface any
> > > size, I don't understand how all caps could be easier. (I believe what
> > > you say; I'm just trying to puzzle this out.)
>
>
> > What I don't understand is, since we all type in capitals and lower
> > case, if they can't read it, how are they reading anything we say?
>
> I believe that the poster said that they were LEGALLY blind. This means
> that they can see but not well enough. Typing in all caps might just make
> the letters big enough for a person to read when they couldn't see the
> lower case letters. In any case, the better solution would be just to
> make ALL the letters bigger by increasing the font size. I don't know how
> to do that in WEBtv, but one poster here claims that it can be done.
>
> When a person can barely read something, it creates a lot of eyestrain.

No, I understand that, Dan. My point was, how are they able to read
what we write, yet are unable to read their own typing unless it is
in caps.

nancy

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Nancy Young wrote:

> No, I understand that, Dan. My point was, how are they able to read
> what we write, yet are unable to read their own typing unless it is
> in caps.



This was my point as well. If you can learn to touch type, you can
learn to touch type caps and lower case appropriately. If you can read
answers with both, you can type with both and read what you've
written. Software that helps people who have no vision or low vision
exists and isn't that hard to find. Has anyone noticed that the
original poster dropped out long ago? I'd love to have the answers from
the one person who can explain the mystery.


--Lia

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Frogleg > wrote in
:

> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:41:46 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>Frogleg > wrote
>>>
>>>>> Sharon and Ernest in Florida > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND HAVE TO TYPE
>>>>> > IN CAPS TO SEE IT. SO NOT ALL OF US DO IT TO BE RUDE SOME JUST
>>>>> > HAVE TO
>>>
>>> This doesn't seem to make sense. Mixed case text is *easier* to read
>>> than all caps. Even WebTV has an option for large-size font(s).
>>>
>>It may defy your logic, but I know of at least two other newsgroups
>>where several people with low vision post in all caps and have stated
>>that they can clearly (no pun intended) read it better when typing.
>>At least two of the posters have included their reason in their sig.
>>Who are we to judge, that is, until we also have low vision.
>
> That's why I wrote "seem to," Wayne. My vision is poor but
> correctable, except that not even swapping between reading and driving
> lenses suits all situations. I find reading all caps a great deal more
> difficult than mixed-case. The normal recognition of many words is,
> for me, *aided* by the shape of "I do not mean" rather than
> deciphering "I DO NOT MEAN" letter by letter.
>

I totally understand, however, it may be entirely different for the OP.
My vision is entirely correctable, but one of the applications I use at
work is rather old and runs on UNIX. All caps is de rigueur. I actually
find it easier to read and work with in that situation.

Wayne

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On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:08:54 -0600, zxcvbob >
wrote:

>Sharon and Ernest in Florida wrote:
>
>> I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND HAVE TO TYPE IN CAPS
>> TO SEE IT. SO NOT ALL OF US DO IT TO BE RUDE SOME JUST HAVE TO
>>
>
>Try typing in mixed case using a very large font. I think you will find
>it's easier for you to read. You should be able to set your newsreader
>to display plain text in any size you want, making it easier to read
>people's replies as well as your own typing.
>
>Best regards,
>Bob


i can't believe how many people want her to alter her methods for
their own preferences of readability. as to how she gets her
responses, presumably she's got that worked out.

your pal,
blake

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blake murphy wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:08:54 -0600, zxcvbob >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Sharon and Ernest in Florida wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I DO NOT MEAN TO BE RUDE BUT I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND HAVE TO TYPE IN CAPS
>>>TO SEE IT. SO NOT ALL OF US DO IT TO BE RUDE SOME JUST HAVE TO
>>>
>>
>>Try typing in mixed case using a very large font. I think you will find
>>it's easier for you to read. You should be able to set your newsreader
>>to display plain text in any size you want, making it easier to read
>>people's replies as well as your own typing.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Bob
>
>
>
> i can't believe how many people want her to alter her methods for
> their own preferences of readability. as to how she gets her
> responses, presumably she's got that worked out.
>
> your pal,
> blake


I don't care if she alters her methods or not. I was suggesting a way
she might not have tried yet.

Offering unsolicited advice is a character flaw of mine.

Bob

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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:02:33 GMT, blake murphy >
wrote:

>i can't believe how many people want her to alter her methods for
>their own preferences of readability. as to how she gets her
>responses, presumably she's got that worked out.

Well, the usual response to an all-caps posting is a polite reminder
that it's considered rude and looks like shouting. I don't think many
wanted to *convert* the OP as to question exactly *why* all-caps were
the only way she (he?) could communicate. We came up with many points
of discussion and the OP never returned. Has he/she an audible reader
for newsgroups? (Good golly -- wonder how they translate some
signatures! Not to mention misspellings.) This *can't* be the first
time for the poster that the all-caps flag has been raised. "I'm
handicapped; I can only type in all caps" seems to require
explication. Now Archie the cockroach could only use lower case for a
clearly explained reason. I accepted *that* at once. It was a little
harder to read, but the prose was well worth the effort. :-)

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Wayne Boatwright > wrote in message >...
> (Barry Grau) wrote in
> om:

....cut
>
> > I believe that there is serious refereed published research which
> > indicates that, at least for normally sighted people, mixed case is
> > easier to read because the ascenders and descenders create a kind of
> > envelope that helps the reader predict what a word will be before he
> > actually focuses on it. Similarly, text printed with a ragged right
> > margin is easier to read than right justified text.

....cut
>
> I don't disagree with anything that anyone has said here to either prove
> or rationalize that mixed case is easier to read. That said, however,
> only the OP knows what she can read and work with best.
>
> Wayne

Yes, of course you're correct. When I posted that I hadn't read the
original posting. I also limited my remarks to "normally sighted
people."

-bwg

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In article <_9ZTb.171552$5V2.871203@attbi_s53>, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > No, I understand that, Dan. My point was, how are they able to read
> > what we write, yet are unable to read their own typing unless it is
> > in caps.



Nancy has a good point, which I didn't understand at first. Still,
perhaps her typing in upper case does help her, and we're just missing the
rest of the story.


> This was my point as well. If you can learn to touch type, you can
> learn to touch type caps and lower case appropriately. If you can read
> answers with both, you can type with both and read what you've
> written. Software that helps people who have no vision or low vision
> exists and isn't that hard to find. Has anyone noticed that the

But can it be installed in a WebTV box? I doubt it.


> original poster dropped out long ago? I'd love to have the answers from
> the one person who can explain the mystery.


That's very true. We just don't know the story.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

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In article >, blake murphy
> wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:08:54 -0600, zxcvbob >
> wrote:

> >Try typing in mixed case using a very large font. I think you will find
> >it's easier for you to read. You should be able to set your newsreader
> >to display plain text in any size you want, making it easier to read
> >people's replies as well as your own typing.


> i can't believe how many people want her to alter her methods for
> their own preferences of readability. as to how she gets her
> responses, presumably she's got that worked out.


She's having a problem. People are trying to help her. The messages are
all sent out using plain text. The font size can be adjusted by each
person (unless they have a dumb terminal) for their own preferences. I
don't see all that well myself, but I get close to the screen and wear
magnifying glasses so I use 9 point Monaco and it works fine for me.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

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blake murphy wrote:

> i can't believe how many people want her to alter her methods for
> their own preferences of readability. as to how she gets her
> responses, presumably she's got that worked out.

Hey, all I did was ask the obvious question. I was just curious.

nancy

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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:37:47 GMT, Frogleg > wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:02:33 GMT, blake murphy >
>wrote:
>
>>i can't believe how many people want her to alter her methods for
>>their own preferences of readability. as to how she gets her
>>responses, presumably she's got that worked out.
>
>Well, the usual response to an all-caps posting is a polite reminder
>that it's considered rude and looks like shouting. I don't think many
>wanted to *convert* the OP as to question exactly *why* all-caps were
>the only way she (he?) could communicate. We came up with many points
>of discussion and the OP never returned. Has he/she an audible reader
>for newsgroups? (Good golly -- wonder how they translate some
>signatures! Not to mention misspellings.) This *can't* be the first
>time for the poster that the all-caps flag has been raised. "I'm
>handicapped; I can only type in all caps" seems to require
>explication. Now Archie the cockroach could only use lower case for a
>clearly explained reason. I accepted *that* at once. It was a little
>harder to read, but the prose was well worth the effort. :-)

there was a blind participant in an e-mail list i'm on, and, yes, she
had software that would try to render the typewritten words to speech.
i regret to say that not many people did much to accommodate her, but
she held her own.

your pal,
blake

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Julia Altshuler saw Sally selling seashells by the seashore and told
us all about it on Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:46:18 GMT:

>I've known a few blind people over the course of my life. Their typing
>has been perfect including capitals, lower case, punctuation, the works.
> Since a computer designed for the blind can make the typeface any
>size, I don't understand how all caps could be easier. (I believe what
>you say; I'm just trying to puzzle this out.) Special computers can
>also raise dots in a way for reading Braille. Still, the bottom line is
>that no one has to read anything they don't want to. I can't stand

And I've known several visually impaired people who are NOT totally
blind but have very poor vision and they find the all-caps a lot
easier to read. One person could only handwrite in large capital
letters... so it's not hard to imagine somebody who is used to the
caps using them on the keyboard.
Of course, somebody who is computer-literate and sight-impaired knows
that you can fiddle with the settings of your monitor to make it
display in extra-large... but not everyone IS computer-literate. You
don't have to be a genius to use a computer... I think it's all a
question of what you're used to.