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"Richard Periut" > wrote in message . .. > wrote: > > What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? > > > You typical bumpkin. Your stupidity is so obvious. Ever heard of the > great Aztec and Mayan empires that dominated what is now Mexico and it's > juxtaposed USA states as well as mesoamerica? While people in other > parts of the world lived in caves, the ancestors of most modern day non > -white mexicans dominated engineering, architecture, arts, astronomy, > et cetera. > Then we discovered Spain and it's been downhill ever since. |
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"Richard Periut" > wrote in message . .. > wrote: > > What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? > > > You typical bumpkin. Your stupidity is so obvious. Ever heard of the > great Aztec and Mayan empires that dominated what is now Mexico and it's > juxtaposed USA states as well as mesoamerica? While people in other > parts of the world lived in caves, the ancestors of most modern day non > -white mexicans dominated engineering, architecture, arts, astronomy, > et cetera. > Then we discovered Spain and it's been downhill ever since. |
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Well, if you mean is the taco older then Mexican cuisine, you could have
worded it a bit more tactfully. Read through the flames and then considered.... does any one actually know? I suspect the tortilla and use of maize flatbreads were in Central and South Americas long before Mexican cuisine emerged. http://maize.agron.iastate.edu/general.html : Maize: Gift from America's First Peoples Columbus did not realize that the gift of maize was far more valuable than the spices or gold he hoped to find. He had no way of knowing that the history of maize traced back some 8,000 years or that it represented the most remarkable plant breeding accomplishment of all time. He might have been embarrassed if he had understood that then, as now, this plant developed by peoples he judged poor and uncivilized far outstripped in productivity any of the cereals bred by Old World farmers --wheat, rice, sorghum, barley, and rye. Were he alive today, he would certainly be astonished to see the extent to which the advent of maize has affected land use, food production, cuisine, and population growth around the world. Walton Galinat, 1992, "Chilliesto Chocolate" > wrote in message ... > What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? |
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Well, if you mean is the taco older then Mexican cuisine, you could have
worded it a bit more tactfully. Read through the flames and then considered.... does any one actually know? I suspect the tortilla and use of maize flatbreads were in Central and South Americas long before Mexican cuisine emerged. http://maize.agron.iastate.edu/general.html : Maize: Gift from America's First Peoples Columbus did not realize that the gift of maize was far more valuable than the spices or gold he hoped to find. He had no way of knowing that the history of maize traced back some 8,000 years or that it represented the most remarkable plant breeding accomplishment of all time. He might have been embarrassed if he had understood that then, as now, this plant developed by peoples he judged poor and uncivilized far outstripped in productivity any of the cereals bred by Old World farmers --wheat, rice, sorghum, barley, and rye. Were he alive today, he would certainly be astonished to see the extent to which the advent of maize has affected land use, food production, cuisine, and population growth around the world. Walton Galinat, 1992, "Chilliesto Chocolate" > wrote in message ... > What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? |
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LOL.. everything you wanted to know, and more, about tacos. Have a good
read. When usenet deals you a lemon, etc...... http://www.fogoncito.com/english/empresa/hist_taco.html The 1970 Academy dictionary designates the taco origin as onomatopoeia of tac. A piece of wood, metal or any other material short and thick that might fit in any hole. A tissue cylinder, paper or something alike. It is also defined as something light to eat out of the regular meal hours. No matter which is the correct origin of this word, evidently the taco was a very popular food among the inhabitants of North America, later adapted to the food taste of the Spaniards and obviously to the Creoles and Mestizo who later formed the Mexican nation. Its permanency comes from centuries ago and has been integrated to the Mexican people food through their history not only during their wars and crisis but also in their victories and success. However the most ingenious definition of taco is given by Jorge Ibargüengoitia when he wrote: « I would like to invent something that will be at the same time dish, spoon, napkin and tablecloth - he most have thought - that it does not need to be washed but at the same time will assure the person who is about to put in his mouth that it is clean and has not been touched by other lips. Something that could be eaten so at the end of the banquet nobody has the anything to wash and not leftovers be seen on the tables Tacos are very nourishing, they provide energy and its formula is so simple - just a tortilla and any kind of food inside - giving ideas to try different gastronomic combinations. The taste and personality are the elements that accompany the El Fogoncito exquisite tacos. Grilled meat tacos. Among the different variety of tacos, it could be carnitas, guisado, canasta, barbacoa, etc. There is one which maybe is the most famous in the last decades and the one more consumed where different cultures are gathered: tacos al carbon, a Mexican product that has combined different gastronomical cultures to create a national fast food with un doubtful success. They appeared during the 60s and the fact that its main ingredients are grilled meats reveals its North origin. Their price, quality, taste and the success of the fast food in the Mexican life style made out of these restaurants a great success. In some restaurants a big grill was installed heated with charcoal where they put marinated meat and onions to grill, pots with cheese and tortillas. Different type of sauces was prepared: Mexican, guacamole, green, red or morita pepper, etc. The combination of taste of the charcoal grilled meat and the tortilla and sauces was excellent. El Fogoncito is a witness and protagonist of the development of the most popular tacos now days, the Tacos al Pastor. In the same sites where the charcoal grilled meat tacos were prepared the popular tacos al pastor were born. As there is also a dispute about its origins, clearly the style of putting the meat and the cooking recipe is of oriental origin. In Beirut we can observe the traditional food stands that have a vertical rod with marinated lamb meat that is turning around a cylinder to grill the meat on open fire. Charcoal, wood or gas heats this cylinder. This same system is being used by the Mexican taquerias but using pork meat instead, as this is meat highly appreciated by the Mexican population and it is also abundant. The tacos al pastor are prepared in small corn tortillas, heated in a comal and accompanied with raw onion or grilled, cilantro, green or red sauce - better with morita pepper sauce - and some add some lemon drops. Very soon each taqueria invented their own recipe which determined the difference and quality among them and the consumer preferences. To this proliferation of recipes a new important ingredient was added giving its characteristic to these tacos that were also known as Hawaiian style tacos, the pineapple. Today 30 years later, charcoal grilled tacos represent a total success and each day more and more are consumed, as they are easy to consume, inexpensive, accessible and delicious. |
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LOL.. everything you wanted to know, and more, about tacos. Have a good
read. When usenet deals you a lemon, etc...... http://www.fogoncito.com/english/empresa/hist_taco.html The 1970 Academy dictionary designates the taco origin as onomatopoeia of tac. A piece of wood, metal or any other material short and thick that might fit in any hole. A tissue cylinder, paper or something alike. It is also defined as something light to eat out of the regular meal hours. No matter which is the correct origin of this word, evidently the taco was a very popular food among the inhabitants of North America, later adapted to the food taste of the Spaniards and obviously to the Creoles and Mestizo who later formed the Mexican nation. Its permanency comes from centuries ago and has been integrated to the Mexican people food through their history not only during their wars and crisis but also in their victories and success. However the most ingenious definition of taco is given by Jorge Ibargüengoitia when he wrote: « I would like to invent something that will be at the same time dish, spoon, napkin and tablecloth - he most have thought - that it does not need to be washed but at the same time will assure the person who is about to put in his mouth that it is clean and has not been touched by other lips. Something that could be eaten so at the end of the banquet nobody has the anything to wash and not leftovers be seen on the tables Tacos are very nourishing, they provide energy and its formula is so simple - just a tortilla and any kind of food inside - giving ideas to try different gastronomic combinations. The taste and personality are the elements that accompany the El Fogoncito exquisite tacos. Grilled meat tacos. Among the different variety of tacos, it could be carnitas, guisado, canasta, barbacoa, etc. There is one which maybe is the most famous in the last decades and the one more consumed where different cultures are gathered: tacos al carbon, a Mexican product that has combined different gastronomical cultures to create a national fast food with un doubtful success. They appeared during the 60s and the fact that its main ingredients are grilled meats reveals its North origin. Their price, quality, taste and the success of the fast food in the Mexican life style made out of these restaurants a great success. In some restaurants a big grill was installed heated with charcoal where they put marinated meat and onions to grill, pots with cheese and tortillas. Different type of sauces was prepared: Mexican, guacamole, green, red or morita pepper, etc. The combination of taste of the charcoal grilled meat and the tortilla and sauces was excellent. El Fogoncito is a witness and protagonist of the development of the most popular tacos now days, the Tacos al Pastor. In the same sites where the charcoal grilled meat tacos were prepared the popular tacos al pastor were born. As there is also a dispute about its origins, clearly the style of putting the meat and the cooking recipe is of oriental origin. In Beirut we can observe the traditional food stands that have a vertical rod with marinated lamb meat that is turning around a cylinder to grill the meat on open fire. Charcoal, wood or gas heats this cylinder. This same system is being used by the Mexican taquerias but using pork meat instead, as this is meat highly appreciated by the Mexican population and it is also abundant. The tacos al pastor are prepared in small corn tortillas, heated in a comal and accompanied with raw onion or grilled, cilantro, green or red sauce - better with morita pepper sauce - and some add some lemon drops. Very soon each taqueria invented their own recipe which determined the difference and quality among them and the consumer preferences. To this proliferation of recipes a new important ingredient was added giving its characteristic to these tacos that were also known as Hawaiian style tacos, the pineapple. Today 30 years later, charcoal grilled tacos represent a total success and each day more and more are consumed, as they are easy to consume, inexpensive, accessible and delicious. |
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Mr. Wizard wrote:
> "Richard Periut" > wrote in message > . .. > wrote: >> >>>What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? >> >> >>You typical bumpkin. Your stupidity is so obvious. Ever heard of the >>great Aztec and Mayan empires that dominated what is now Mexico and it's >>juxtaposed USA states as well as mesoamerica? While people in other >>parts of the world lived in caves, the ancestors of most modern day non >>-white mexicans dominated engineering, architecture, arts, astronomy, >>et cetera. >> > > Then we discovered Spain and it's been downhill ever since. > > How about the British and all the scorn they produced? Ah yea, thank God for that; America was born!!! Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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Mr. Wizard wrote:
> "Richard Periut" > wrote in message > . .. > wrote: >> >>>What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? >> >> >>You typical bumpkin. Your stupidity is so obvious. Ever heard of the >>great Aztec and Mayan empires that dominated what is now Mexico and it's >>juxtaposed USA states as well as mesoamerica? While people in other >>parts of the world lived in caves, the ancestors of most modern day non >>-white mexicans dominated engineering, architecture, arts, astronomy, >>et cetera. >> > > Then we discovered Spain and it's been downhill ever since. > > How about the British and all the scorn they produced? Ah yea, thank God for that; America was born!!! Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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Richard Periut > wrote in
: > How about the British and all the scorn they produced? Ah yea, > thank God for that; America was born!!! Your faith is immense considering the Untied States of (North) America are the product, more than the effect, of British scorn to start with. Perhaps you need to garner a bit of context, there, bucko. -- German to Picasso in front of Guernica: Did you do this? Picasso to German in front of Guernica: No, it was you. |
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Richard Periut > wrote in
: > How about the British and all the scorn they produced? Ah yea, > thank God for that; America was born!!! Your faith is immense considering the Untied States of (North) America are the product, more than the effect, of British scorn to start with. Perhaps you need to garner a bit of context, there, bucko. -- German to Picasso in front of Guernica: Did you do this? Picasso to German in front of Guernica: No, it was you. |
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>BOOM - BOOM - BOOM > >wHAT YoU say ******? Is YOMAMA a WhitE ASSed HoNkEy MuthaFUKKKa? >i ThiNk Yo FuLLaShIt. TakE yO BuLLShit an Git OuttaTowN Idiot... Rosie |
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>BOOM - BOOM - BOOM > >wHAT YoU say ******? Is YOMAMA a WhitE ASSed HoNkEy MuthaFUKKKa? >i ThiNk Yo FuLLaShIt. TakE yO BuLLShit an Git OuttaTowN Idiot... Rosie |
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Michel Boucher wrote:
> Richard Periut > wrote in > : > > >>How about the British and all the scorn they produced? Ah yea, >>thank God for that; America was born!!! > > > Your faith is immense considering the Untied States of (North) America > are the product, more than the effect, of British scorn to start with. > Perhaps you need to garner a bit of context, there, bucko. > > You need to pick up a history book and learn that the final product are the waves of immigrants that today make up this country. Starting with the dutch, which later on the british came without invitation and just took over. Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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Michel Boucher wrote:
> Richard Periut > wrote in > : > > >>How about the British and all the scorn they produced? Ah yea, >>thank God for that; America was born!!! > > > Your faith is immense considering the Untied States of (North) America > are the product, more than the effect, of British scorn to start with. > Perhaps you need to garner a bit of context, there, bucko. > > You need to pick up a history book and learn that the final product are the waves of immigrants that today make up this country. Starting with the dutch, which later on the british came without invitation and just took over. Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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PLEASE don't feed the trolls.
"Michael Odom" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:44:32 -0500, wrote: > > >What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? > > the racist or the joke? > > > modom > > "Dallas is a rich man with a death wish in his eyes." > -- Jimmie Dale Gilmore |
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PLEASE don't feed the trolls.
"Michael Odom" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:44:32 -0500, wrote: > > >What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? > > the racist or the joke? > > > modom > > "Dallas is a rich man with a death wish in his eyes." > -- Jimmie Dale Gilmore |
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I love reading those reply posts by tight-ass, thin-skinned people who can't
appreciate your humor. It was the taco. > wrote in message ... > What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? |
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I love reading those reply posts by tight-ass, thin-skinned people who can't
appreciate your humor. It was the taco. > wrote in message ... > What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? |
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I love reading those reply posts by tight-ass, thin-skinned people who can't
appreciate your humor. It was the taco. > wrote in message ... > What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? |
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> "GoombaP" writes:
> wrote: >> What came first. The Taco or the Mexican? >I love reading those reply posts by tight-ass, thin-skinned people who can't >appreciate your humor. It was the taco. Actually it was the Mexican: http://whatscookingamerica.net/Histo...co_history.htm ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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