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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:43:54 GMT, "Minnime"
> wrote:

> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031227/D7VMRP180.html
>

I guess you've also figured out that our cattle and their
cattle crossed back and forth over the boarder until "their"
mad cow appeared.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On 12/27/2003 4:36 PM, in article
, "sf" >
opined:

> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:43:54 GMT, "Minnime"
> > wrote:
>
>> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031227/D7VMRP180.html
>>
>
> I guess you've also figured out that our cattle and their
> cattle crossed back and forth over the boarder until "their"
> mad cow appeared.

Everybody needs a whipping boy now and then.

canada is 30,000,000 losers on U.S. Welfare.

>
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

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sf wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:43:54 GMT, "Minnime"
> > wrote:
>
>> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031227/D7VMRP180.html
>>
>
> I guess you've also figured out that our cattle and their
> cattle crossed back and forth over the boarder until "their"
> mad cow appeared.
>
>
You put your foot on it!
It is not a them versus us (USA vs. Canada) thing. It is a continental (ne
global) problem.
As long as bad husbandry practices are in place in the interests of
corporate profits this problem (and others not yet identified - or
identified and denied) will continue. We, the consumers,
suposedly have the last say.
Yah right!!!
Regards.
Ken.

> Ken Davey wrote:
<snip>
> > As long as bad husbandry practices are in place in the interests of
> > corporate profits this problem (and others not yet identified - or
> > identified and denied) will continue. We, the consumers,
> > suposedly have the last say.
> > Yah right!!!

If people lined up willing to pay 3 times the amount for beef raised
without bad husbandry practises, the corporations would jump. USians has
been spoiled by cheap food, and even bad and bad for you food is deemed
better than pricey food. I was at a house not long ago...big TV, two
DVDs, computer games with all kinds of inserts, palmpilots, big truck,
and the kitchen was full of rice a roni, frozen burger, canned mixed
veg, a big sticky plastic jug of no-name vegetable oil, milk, sugary dry
cereal and a box of eggs. Oh, and a generic version of Eggos and fake
maple syrup in another huge sticky jug. When I go through the checkout
lane, I see this repeated over and over.
We vote with our dollar, not with our feet.
blacksalt

Ken Davey wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:43:54 GMT, "Minnime"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031227/D7VMRP180.html
> >>
> >
> > I guess you've also figured out that our cattle and their
> > cattle crossed back and forth over the boarder until "their"
> > mad cow appeared.
> >
> >
> You put your foot on it!
> It is not a them versus us (USA vs. Canada) thing. It is a continental (ne
> global) problem.
> As long as bad husbandry practices are in place in the interests of
> corporate profits this problem (and others not yet identified - or
> identified and denied) will continue. We, the consumers,
> suposedly have the last say.
> Yah right!!!
> Regards.
> Ken.

Up to a point you do have a say. Don't buy beef or other products you
might feel to be unsafe.

Also the Canadian thing isn't proven, as Canadian records aren't
matching up to US records yet.

Arri London > wrote:

> Up to a point you do have a say. Don't buy beef or other products you
> might feel to be unsafe.

But how does one know what an unsafe beef product looks like?
Usually, unsafe food is indistringuishable from safe food unless
its moldy or smells bad.

> Also the Canadian thing isn't proven, as Canadian records aren't
> matching up to US records yet.

Time will tell. Perhaps the Canadian and American authorities should
request an evaluation from an outside unbiased party such as the Brits.

wrote:
>
> Arri London > wrote:
>
> > Up to a point you do have a say. Don't buy beef or other products you
> > might feel to be unsafe.
>
> But how does one know what an unsafe beef product looks like?
> Usually, unsafe food is indistringuishable from safe food unless
> its moldy or smells bad.

I gave up beef in 1986, as soon as the rumours of BSE began in the UK
and before anyone acknowledged there was a problem. Wasn't a big thing,
as we hadn't eaten much to begin with.

If it worries you, why take a risk and eat any beef at all? Plenty of
other things to eat.

>
> > Also the Canadian thing isn't proven, as Canadian records aren't
> > matching up to US records yet.
>
> Time will tell. Perhaps the Canadian and American authorities should
> request an evaluation from an outside unbiased party such as the Brits.

Even if the cow were to be proven definitively from Canada, it doesn't
mean that it was infected there. American farmers were still feeding
animal products to cattle within the incubation period of the disease.
Probably still are sometimes, even though it is banned.

Arri London wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Arri London > wrote:
> >
> > > Up to a point you do have a say. Don't buy beef or other products you
> > > might feel to be unsafe.
> >
> > But how does one know what an unsafe beef product looks like?
> > Usually, unsafe food is indistringuishable from safe food unless
> > its moldy or smells bad.
>
> I gave up beef in 1986, as soon as the rumours of BSE began in the UK
> and before anyone acknowledged there was a problem. Wasn't a big thing,
> as we hadn't eaten much to begin with.
>
> If it worries you, why take a risk and eat any beef at all? Plenty of
> other things to eat.
>
> >
> > > Also the Canadian thing isn't proven, as Canadian records aren't
> > > matching up to US records yet.
> >
> > Time will tell. Perhaps the Canadian and American authorities should
> > request an evaluation from an outside unbiased party such as the Brits.
>
> Even if the cow were to be proven definitively from Canada, it doesn't
> mean that it was infected there. American farmers were still feeding
> animal products to cattle within the incubation period of the disease.
> Probably still are sometimes, even though it is banned.

Exactly my point. When BSE broke out in the UK, I wrote the Canadian
department of
Agriculture and the Alberta Cattleman's association asking if any part
of beef is feed back
to the beef and does beef feed contain any parts of any animal? I got
no answer. It has been
said if you type a few words into google you can find almost any
answer. I tried for many hours to
try and determinal what is in beef feed and/or what is fed to beef. I
went to government agricultural sites
and every other lead. All I was able to determine is that feeding beef
blood to beef, pigs, lamb and fowl is
permitted up to 30 percent and not considered animal parts as we know
it. I also learned that ground meat can contain eyeball which I didn't
know up to that point. But what is in beef, pig, fowl or lamb feed is
still a mystery. The governments and spokes people will say it is safe
but nobody says what the cattle feed contains.
Maybe someday we will learn that. Until then I no longer eat beef.
Not that all beef is unsafe, but until I know or my neighbours all want
to know, I am waiting it out.

Arri London > wrote:

> I gave up beef in 1986, as soon as the rumours of BSE began in the UK
> and before anyone acknowledged there was a problem. Wasn't a big thing,
> as we hadn't eaten much to begin with.

> If it worries you, why take a risk and eat any beef at all? Plenty of
> other things to eat.

Actually, it doesn't worry me in the slightest bit.

> Even if the cow were to be proven definitively from Canada, it doesn't
> mean that it was infected there. American farmers were still feeding
> animal products to cattle within the incubation period of the disease.
> Probably still are sometimes, even though it is banned.

Agreed.