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Since price is based on supply and demand, I would speculate that the price
might drop. If people are afraid to eat beef because of mad cow disease,
the supple would rise in relation to the decreased demand. I would expect
the price of chicken and pork to rise instead as they would be logical
alternatives to beef.

Hark! I heard " BOB" > say:

> http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241

http://www.komo4.com/stories/28955.htm

This link has a bit more info, just fyi...


--
j.j. ~ mom, gamer, novice cook ~
...fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!

Vox Humana wrote:
> " BOB" > wrote in message
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> Since price is based on supply and demand, I would speculate that the
> price might drop. If people are afraid to eat beef because of mad
> cow disease, the supple would rise in relation to the decreased
> demand. I would expect the price of chicken and pork to rise instead
> as they would be logical alternatives to beef.
That matches the experience here in Canada after our little incident.
Ken.

"Ken Davey" > wrote in message >...
> Vox Humana wrote:
> > " BOB" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >> http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241
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> >>
> >
> > Since price is based on supply and demand, I would speculate that the
> > price might drop. If people are afraid to eat beef because of mad
> > cow disease, the supple would rise in relation to the decreased
> > demand. I would expect the price of chicken and pork to rise instead
> > as they would be logical alternatives to beef.
> That matches the experience here in Canada after our little incident.
> Ken.

Ground beef is $2.49lb here. And this is beef country. Two months ago
I got it for 98cents a pound. Whatever will the Atkins people
eat???????????????
Lynn from Fargo

" BOB" > wrote in message
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That's it....no more beef from Washington.

Anyway, it's a great opportunity to try pork....

Jack Puerconsale

"Lynn Gifford" > wrote in message
m...
> "Ken Davey" > wrote in message
>...
> > Vox Humana wrote:
> > > " BOB" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > >> http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > Since price is based on supply and demand, I would speculate that the
> > > price might drop. If people are afraid to eat beef because of mad
> > > cow disease, the supple would rise in relation to the decreased
> > > demand. I would expect the price of chicken and pork to rise instead
> > > as they would be logical alternatives to beef.
> > That matches the experience here in Canada after our little incident.
> > Ken.
>
> Ground beef is $2.49lb here. And this is beef country. Two months ago
> I got it for 98cents a pound. Whatever will the Atkins people
> eat???????????????

Better stock-up on eggs!! They will be $2/dozen if people freak out over
mad cow.

j.j. wrote:

> Hark! I heard " BOB" > say:
>
>> http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241
>
> http://www.komo4.com/stories/28955.htm
>
> This link has a bit more info, just fyi...
>
>

As I read this, "Cows With Guns" is playing on the radio :-)

---jkb

--
"Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins!"
-- Armondo Guitierrez

In article >,
"Vox Humana" > wrote:

> "Lynn Gifford" > wrote in message
> m...
> > "Ken Davey" > wrote in message
> >...
> > > Vox Humana wrote:
> > > > " BOB" > wrote in message
> > > > . ..
> > > >> http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Since price is based on supply and demand, I would speculate that the
> > > > price might drop. If people are afraid to eat beef because of mad
> > > > cow disease, the supple would rise in relation to the decreased
> > > > demand. I would expect the price of chicken and pork to rise instead
> > > > as they would be logical alternatives to beef.
> > > That matches the experience here in Canada after our little incident.
> > > Ken.
> >
> > Ground beef is $2.49lb here. And this is beef country. Two months ago
> > I got it for 98cents a pound. Whatever will the Atkins people
> > eat???????????????
>
> Better stock-up on eggs!! They will be $2/dozen if people freak out over
> mad cow.
>
>

They very nearly are $2 a dozen here in Seattle, and that was before the
mad cow was discovered here.

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

Lynn Gifford wrote:
>
> Ground beef is $2.49lb here. And this is beef country. Two months ago
> I got it for 98cents a pound. Whatever will the Atkins people
> eat???????????????
> Lynn from Fargo


Yeah, I'm glad that I just put a hind quarter in the freezer for
$2.79/lb. Hopefully the price will subside before we need more.

--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

Jack Schidt® wrote:

> " BOB" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241
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>>
>
>
>
> That's it....no more beef from Washington.
>
> Anyway, it's a great opportunity to try pork....
>
> Jack Puerconsale
>
>
You got me thinking, Jack. Can't recall ever eating any beef from
Washington. But if it's lamb you want, best you come to Washington. And
if you like oysters, crabs and wonderful chicken, still a good bet.

There is a moral here, Jack. If you wind up a falling down drunk, you
could wind up in a processing plant.

Merry Christmas.
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

"alzelt" > wrote in message
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>
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> Jack Schidt® wrote:
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> > " BOB" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >
> >>http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > That's it....no more beef from Washington.
> >
> > Anyway, it's a great opportunity to try pork....
> >
> > Jack Puerconsale
> >
> >
> You got me thinking, Jack. Can't recall ever eating any beef from
> Washington. But if it's lamb you want, best you come to Washington. And
> if you like oysters, crabs and wonderful chicken, still a good bet.

Yeah, I can't recall eating beef that specifically was from Wa. Yeah, yeah,
you live on the left coast so you have all the left coast versions of right
coast stuff. Your crab is better than ours, but our lobster is better than
yours. Oysters? Ya gotta enjoy any oyster you can find, even those warm
water ones.

>
> There is a moral here, Jack. If you wind up a falling down drunk, you
> could wind up in a processing plant.


The thought has crossed my mind. Sure, but if you think 'mad cow' is a
problem, wait'll you see 'schidt cow'.

Merry Xmas, amigo.

Jack Bicoastal

"Jack Schidt®" wrote:

> The thought has crossed my mind. Sure, but if you think 'mad cow' is a
> problem, wait'll you see 'schidt cow'.

Oh, I've stepped in schidt cow, barefoot. Your schidt don't stink.

nancy (your ass is grass, if you know what I mean)

Nancy Young wrote:

> "Jack Schidt=AE" wrote:
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>>The thought has crossed my mind. Sure, but if you think 'mad cow' is a=

>>problem, wait'll you see 'schidt cow'.
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> Oh, I've stepped in schidt cow, barefoot. Your schidt don't stink.
>=20
> nancy (your ass is grass, if you know what I mean)

rotflmao. Thanks Nancy.

--=20
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

Vox Humana wrote:
>
> Since price is based on supply and demand, I would speculate that the price
> might drop. If people are afraid to eat beef because of mad cow disease,
> the supple would rise in relation to the decreased demand. I would expect
^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^
> the price of chicken and pork to rise instead as they would be logical
> alternatives to beef.

Ohhhhhh, I just LOVE IT when that happens.

(Sorry, Vox, I just *could not* resist. I plead the Flip
Wilson/Geraldine defense: "The Debil made me do it!")

Boli

"Bolivar" > wrote in message
...
> Vox Humana wrote:
> >
> > Since price is based on supply and demand, I would speculate that the
price
> > might drop. If people are afraid to eat beef because of mad cow
disease,
> > the supple would rise in relation to the decreased demand. I would
expect
> ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^
> > the price of chicken and pork to rise instead as they would be logical
> > alternatives to beef.
>
> Ohhhhhh, I just LOVE IT when that happens.
>
> (Sorry, Vox, I just *could not* resist. I plead the Flip
> Wilson/Geraldine defense: "The Debil made me do it!")
>
> Boli

No problem. Between the spell checker and my poor typing skills, you are
sure to see more errors!

BOB > wrote:
>http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241

Always up.

Shortage? Up.

Overabundance? Up.

Prices are not set by supply and demand in America.

They are set by the cartels that control gasoline, beef,
produce, electronics, and property.

--Blair
"Vote for people who believe in people."

Blair P. Houghton wrote:

> BOB > wrote:
>
>>http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241
>
>
> Always up.
>
> Shortage? Up.
>
> Overabundance? Up.
>
> Prices are not set by supply and demand in America.
>
> They are set by the cartels that control gasoline, beef,
> produce, electronics, and property.
>
> --Blair
> "Vote for people who believe in people."

I'd change that slightly Blair. The supply issue does not set prices
as a rule unless there is truly a shortage of something. But I've
never seen the price come down due to a glut.

I think the demand has more of an affect. They know that people are
going to be using gasoline for holidays. - price up. They know people
are going to want to cook Prime Rib for Christmas - price up. They
know that people are going to use more propane, natural gas, and
heating oil in the winter - price up. Matters not how much is
available it matters how much they think they can gouge before people
"revolt".

--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

"Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
s.com...
> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>
> > BOB > wrote:
> >
> >>http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241
> >
> >
> > Always up.
> >
> > Shortage? Up.
> >
> > Overabundance? Up.
> >
> > Prices are not set by supply and demand in America.
> >
> > They are set by the cartels that control gasoline, beef,
> > produce, electronics, and property.
> >
> > --Blair
> > "Vote for people who believe in people."
>
> I'd change that slightly Blair. The supply issue does not set prices
> as a rule unless there is truly a shortage of something. But I've
> never seen the price come down due to a glut.
>
> I think the demand has more of an affect. They know that people are
> going to be using gasoline for holidays. - price up. They know people
> are going to want to cook Prime Rib for Christmas - price up. They
> know that people are going to use more propane, natural gas, and
> heating oil in the winter - price up. Matters not how much is
> available it matters how much they think they can gouge before people
> "revolt".
>
> --
> Steve
>
> Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.
>

Look at beef futures on the stock market. That should tell you a couple of
months where beef prices are going to go.

Steve Calvin wrote:
> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>
>> BOB > wrote:
>>
>>> http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=4039241
>>
>>
>>
>> Always up.
>>
>> Shortage? Up.
>>
>> Overabundance? Up.
>>
>> Prices are not set by supply and demand in America.
>>
>> They are set by the cartels that control gasoline, beef,
>> produce, electronics, and property.
>>
>> --Blair
>> "Vote for people who believe in people."
>
>
> I'd change that slightly Blair. The supply issue does not set prices as
> a rule unless there is truly a shortage of something. But I've never
> seen the price come down due to a glut.
>
> I think the demand has more of an affect. They know that people are
> going to be using gasoline for holidays. - price up. They know people
> are going to want to cook Prime Rib for Christmas - price up.

Not at my grocer. Last month bone-in Ribeye steaks were going for $13
per pound. Last week before Christmas, I saw boneless rib roasts for $9
per pound. Ribeye steaks are generally available year round. Roasts OTH,
are generally available around the holidays. Though I suppose I could
ask for a roast at other times, I have not.
And Turkeys have been sold at a discount around Thanksgiving time for as
long as I can remember. It used to be thought that they offered turkeys
at a discount to lure the customer into the store and pay higher prices
for other groceries, especially thanksgiving related, I don't think this
is the case any longer.


They know
> that people are going to use more propane, natural gas, and heating oil
> in the winter - price up. Matters not how much is available it matters
> how much they think they can gouge before people "revolt".
>

Yes, I think this happens. When they know people will be driving on
holiday weekends, the price of gas seems to go up for a few days before
to a few days after the holiday.

If many people cooperated and did not buy gas on one selected day, it
would cause a large surplus of gas and the prices would come down. As I
understand the economics of this, it does not mean that people cut down
on their driving, it just means that say NO ONE buys gas on a Saturday,
make sure earlier in the week that the gas you have will get you through
Saturday and you can buy gas again on Sunday if necessary. This is
called planning ahead a little. A very effective way of forcing the
price of gas to come down. But very difficult to coordinate.

Happy Holidays,
meatgrinder

meatgrinder > wrote:
>If many people cooperated and did not buy gas on one selected day, it
>would cause a large surplus of gas and the prices would come down. As I
>understand the economics of this, it does not mean that people cut down
>on their driving, it just means that say NO ONE buys gas on a Saturday,
>make sure earlier in the week that the gas you have will get you through
>Saturday and you can buy gas again on Sunday if necessary. This is
>called planning ahead a little. A very effective way of forcing the
>price of gas to come down. But very difficult to coordinate.

Backfires.

All the people who would actually have been driving on fumes on
Saturday now join all those actually driving on fumes on Sunday.

This causes lines at the pumps, which causes lemminglike behavior,
which causes more people to buy on Sunday than an ordinary weekend
load.

If the result is even one gas station reporting to the media that
it's out of gas because of the rush, then Monday morning everyone
tries to top-off before going to work. "Just in case." Driving
more pumps dry. And more pumpers to tell the media "we're out".

See the positive feedback system?

At that point the station operators start gouging.
Which becomes a media issue itself.

The problem here is, the station owner can negotiate the
price, but you can only accept it or gamble that the next
station has working pumps. So he's negotiating into your
lack of information, which invokes the fundamental theorem
of poker: allows someone to do something they wouldn't
do if they knew the truth.

So you're sharked by the system you tried to out-swim.

--Blair
"Never bluff a bluffer."

meatgrinder wrote:

>
>
> Not at my grocer. Last month bone-in Ribeye steaks were going for $13
> per pound. Last week before Christmas, I saw boneless rib roasts for $9
> per pound. Ribeye steaks are generally available year round. Roasts OTH,
> are generally available around the holidays. Though I suppose I could
> ask for a roast at other times, I have not.
> And Turkeys have been sold at a discount around Thanksgiving time for as
> long as I can remember. It used to be thought that they offered turkeys
> at a discount to lure the customer into the store and pay higher prices
> for other groceries, especially thanksgiving related, I don't think this
> is the case any longer.
>
> Yes, I think this happens. When they know people will be driving on
> holiday weekends, the price of gas seems to go up for a few days before
> to a few days after the holiday.
>
> If many people cooperated and did not buy gas on one selected day, it
> would cause a large surplus of gas and the prices would come down. As I
> understand the economics of this, it does not mean that people cut down
> on their driving, it just means that say NO ONE buys gas on a Saturday,
> make sure earlier in the week that the gas you have will get you through
> Saturday and you can buy gas again on Sunday if necessary. This is
> called planning ahead a little. A very effective way of forcing the
> price of gas to come down. But very difficult to coordinate.
>
> Happy Holidays,
> meatgrinder
>


Very good points, and well taken. Thanks.

--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

> meatgrinder wrote:
> > If many people cooperated and did not buy gas on one selected day, it
> > would cause a large surplus of gas and the prices would come down. As I
> > understand the economics of this, it does not mean that people cut down
> > on their driving, it just means that say NO ONE buys gas on a Saturday,
> > make sure earlier in the week that the gas you have will get you through
> > Saturday and you can buy gas again on Sunday if necessary. This is
> > called planning ahead a little. A very effective way of forcing the
> > price of gas to come down. But very difficult to coordinate.
> >
> > Happy Holidays,
> > meatgrinder

I don't see how it will make a surplus of gas. The same amount of driving
is done, the same amount of gas is consumed. Only thing I can see happening
is that gas companies will then decide to close on Saturdays because no one
shows up. They get a day off, less expenses for utilities, and still get
the same sales. They win, we lose.
Ed

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