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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On 09 Dec 2003 13:32:12 GMT, (PENMART01)
> wrote:
>
> > sf > writes:
> > >
> > >If they were enabled, I wouldn't be complaining because I'd
> > >be busy undoing what they didn't do properly every day. As
> > >it is, I have plenty of time to bitch.
> >
> > Complaining/bitching with no consequences is the MOST *primary* form of
> > enablement... think about it.
> >
> I'm only complaining online. I rarely cook these days...
> get home way too late for that. The problem is that when I
> do decide to cook, it's not worth the time it takes to hunt
> down all the utensils that have been misplaced.
>
> They wonder why I don't cook more. That's why.

That's the definition of passive-aggressive. It seems like that would only
lead to an escalation in dysfunction.

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sf > wrote:

>On 09 Dec 2003 13:32:12 GMT, (PENMART01)
>wrote:
>
>> sf > writes:
>> >
>> >If they were enabled, I wouldn't be complaining because I'd
>> >be busy undoing what they didn't do properly every day. As
>> >it is, I have plenty of time to bitch.
>>
>> Complaining/bitching with no consequences is the MOST *primary* form of
>> enablement... think about it.
>>
>I'm only complaining online. I rarely cook these days...
>get home way too late for that. The problem is that when I
>do decide to cook, it's not worth the time it takes to hunt
>down all the utensils that have been misplaced.
>
>They wonder why I don't cook more. That's why.
>
>
Seems to me that whoever does most of the cooking should decide where
the utensils go. Since you rarely cook, you figure out where the
regular cook(s) prefer to keep the items.

--
Susan N.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

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Katra > wrote in message >...
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On 9 Dec 2003 16:30:10 -0800, (-L.) wrote:
> >
> > > sf > wrote in message >. ..
> > > >
> > > > Grrrr.
> > >
> > > Because if they f'it up enough times, you will ask them not to do it
> > > anymore, at all.
> > > This is the result of a null gene on the Y chromosome.
> > >
> > I'm determined to outlast him. I'm genetically superior -
> > so at the very least, I'll outlive him.
> >
> > <S>
> >
>
> Yes, you probably will, much to your sorrow...... :-(
> I did not find that to be the least bit funny!
>
> That was the entire point I was trying to make, and you missed it,
> or you would not have made such an insensitive remark.
>
> Gods woman! Think, think hard, about what you just typed!
>
> Ok, I know I'm being too serious, but it's that time
> of month you know?
>
> K.

The other day, I was gumping to myself about an annual disagreement
(minor, decorating related) my wife and I have. I wondered to myself
if we would be having this disagreement every year forever.

Then my brain kicked in. We should be so lucky.

Greg Zywicki

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Katra > wrote in message >...
>
> And, this works well to get people to do what you want. I've used it.
>
> Face the person who has continued to misplace your stuff (obviously they
> do it on purpose just to annoy you since you yell at them for it), and
> take their hands gently into yours.
>
> Say to them: "You know, this really hurts my feelings that you care so
> little for me to continue doing something that really bugs me when it is
> such a simple thing, but I still love you anyway and I forgive you for it".
>
>
> Trust me, it works...
>
> I learned it in an assertiveness class.
>
> Bye,
> K.

If my wife said that to me, my blood would instantly boil at the
adolescent, "You obviously don't love because you do X," ploy.
It is manipulative and hurtful.

SF, your man doesn't put things back in a particular place because he
doesn't give a flying hug where they go, and can't fathom why any sane
individual would spend more than a moment worrying where a spoon went.
It's not like a wrench or a remote control or something _important_,
afterall.

We're such stupid beasts.

Greg Zywicki
But we can open a jar for you.

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sf > wrote in message >. ..

>
> > that is completely
> > unrelated to kitchen maintenance.
> >
> That part I don't know... and I don't care.
> Put the utensils back where the belong.
>
And "Where They Belong" is decreed by you, high priestess of the
Kitchen, whose proclamations are alway correct and never to be
questioned.

Admitting that it's "Where I Want Them" or "Where I Like Them" might
get you both further down the road.

Or explaining that "they go here for the perfectly logical reason x"
might clear things up.

But since you've been at this for 30 years, there's a good chance
you've done all this. It could be the sort of situation like when I
mutter about something my wife has done. "Sometimes I just need to
mutter."

Greg Zywicki

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sf > wrote in message >. ..
> On 09 Dec 2003 13:32:12 GMT, (PENMART01)
> wrote:
>
> > sf > writes:
> > >
> > >If they were enabled, I wouldn't be complaining because I'd
> > >be busy undoing what they didn't do properly every day. As
> > >it is, I have plenty of time to bitch.
> >
> > Complaining/bitching with no consequences is the MOST *primary* form of
> > enablement... think about it.
> >
> I'm only complaining online. I rarely cook these days...
> get home way too late for that. The problem is that when I
> do decide to cook, it's not worth the time it takes to hunt
> down all the utensils that have been misplaced.
>
> They wonder why I don't cook more. That's why.
>
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Hah! Put the pin in the map, folks, we've found the real problem.

"I love to cook. So much that I hang out in rec.food.cooking."

"I don't have time to cook. The thing I love is now in someone else's
hands. Someone else in the house gets to do that thing I love. He is
now Lord Chancellor of the Kitchen, which was my domain."

"And on those rare occasions when I can return to shangri-la, I find
it dispoilled by this oaf."

You are in Married Couple Cliche number 37:Role shift. Most common
when He retires and starts applying 30 years of career skills to
aqcuiring canned fruit or maintaining appliances.

Your world has changed, darling. There's a new regime in the Kitchen.
You have to suffer under it's fiat and caprice. Which is why I wan't
too bothered by the fact that the coffee press is now stored in the
cupboard under the counter, when she kept it on the windowsill for a
few weeks, before which it was on the counter, out of the way.

Of course, not being able to find my new Glasses this morning was all
my fault, and I _tried_ not to wake her.

Greg Zywicki

honestly, she was already awake. Shifting into the insomnia/light
sleep phase of the hormone cycle. Got a nice goodbye kiss out of it,
so I'm not complaining.

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"Trent©" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:55:47 -0600, Katra >
> wrote:
>
> >Yes, you probably will, much to your sorrow...... :-(
> >I did not find that to be the least bit funny!
> >
> >That was the entire point I was trying to make, and you missed it,
> >or you would not have made such an insensitive remark.
> >
> >Gods woman! Think, think hard, about what you just typed!
> >
> >Ok, I know I'm being too serious, but it's that time
> >of month you know?
>
> You really ARE!! You need to chill out, Kat. This was all posted in
> jest, I'm sure.
>
> Do you take everything literally when you go to a comedy club? Or do
> you even go?
>
> REAL life is FUNNY sometimes! Its not always ominous.
>
> Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season...
>
> Trent
>
> Cat...the OTHER white meat!


She had a fit about the dressed up kitty posts... and the pictures that
I posted that I and many others thought were hilarious.

I was just giving her a taste of her own medicine. :-)

I find abusing humans far worse than putting a hat on a cat..... <G>

K.

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all owned by cats" -- Asimov

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Katra > wrote in message >...
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On 9 Dec 2003 16:30:10 -0800, (-L.) wrote:
> >
> > > sf > wrote in message >. ..
> > > >
> > > > Grrrr.
> > >
> > > Because if they f'it up enough times, you will ask them not to do it
> > > anymore, at all.
> > > This is the result of a null gene on the Y chromosome.
> > >
> > I'm determined to outlast him. I'm genetically superior -
> > so at the very least, I'll outlive him.
> >
> > <S>
> >
>
> Yes, you probably will, much to your sorrow...... :-(
> I did not find that to be the least bit funny!

Well, I think it was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek instead of "ha-ha"
funny...

>
> That was the entire point I was trying to make, and you missed it,
> or you would not have made such an insensitive remark.

Well, in her defense, it is highly likely she didn't even see your
post. I know I don't read every post in a thread...I had to dig it up
to see what you were referencing.

>
> Gods woman! Think, think hard, about what you just typed!

Actually, that's my biggest fear. Having lost the second most
important person in my life unexpectedly and in a tragic way, I
totally understand your point. That doesn't mean we can't be minorly
irritated at them, sometimes...;)

But you are correct - you can't make up for lost time.

-L.

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"-L." wrote:
>
> Katra > wrote in message >...
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > On 9 Dec 2003 16:30:10 -0800, (-L.) wrote:
> > >
> > > > sf > wrote in message >. ..
> > > > >
> > > > > Grrrr.
> > > >
> > > > Because if they f'it up enough times, you will ask them not to do it
> > > > anymore, at all.
> > > > This is the result of a null gene on the Y chromosome.
> > > >
> > > I'm determined to outlast him. I'm genetically superior -
> > > so at the very least, I'll outlive him.
> > >
> > > <S>
> > >
> >
> > Yes, you probably will, much to your sorrow...... :-(
> > I did not find that to be the least bit funny!
>
> Well, I think it was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek instead of "ha-ha"
> funny...
>
> >
> > That was the entire point I was trying to make, and you missed it,
> > or you would not have made such an insensitive remark.
>
> Well, in her defense, it is highly likely she didn't even see your
> post. I know I don't read every post in a thread...I had to dig it up
> to see what you were referencing.
>
> >
> > Gods woman! Think, think hard, about what you just typed!
>
> Actually, that's my biggest fear. Having lost the second most
> important person in my life unexpectedly and in a tragic way, I
> totally understand your point. That doesn't mean we can't be minorly
> irritated at them, sometimes...;)
>
> But you are correct - you can't make up for lost time.
>
> -L.

Sux does it not? :-p

There are better ways of "training" humans other than yelling at them.

Same works for dogs.

SF says she is an animal person. Well, she might try dog training
techniques on humans.

It actually works. <G>

K.

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:25:34 GMT, sf > wrote:


>I'm only complaining online. I rarely cook these days...
>get home way too late for that. The problem is that when I
>do decide to cook, it's not worth the time it takes to hunt
>down all the utensils that have been misplaced.
>
>They wonder why I don't cook more. That's why.

You know the old saying "if you want something done right , do it your
self."
Pan Ohco

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sf wrote:
>
> Putting the dishes away in their proper place (after they've
> been washed in the dishwasher) isn't brain surgury.
>
> So, why do cooking utensils end up in the silverware drawer
> and (silver) serving utensils end up in the utensil drawer?

If I could have, I would have laughed out loud at the dentist
today. However, I have not perfected a method of laughing with
cotton and fingers in my mouth.

They were discussing some product, where is it? Search through
scary dentist drawers. Don't you think he'd put it by the
? (similar product)? I know, tell me about it. I'm getting a
filling and they're kvetching about someone who puts stuff back
in an illogical place.

Was funny.

nancy

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:57:28 -0500, The Cook
> wrote:

> sf > wrote:
>
> >
> Seems to me that whoever does most of the cooking should decide where
> the utensils go. Since you rarely cook, you figure out where the
> regular cook(s) prefer to keep the items.

OKAY. Let's just thow everything in the junk drawer.
Satisfied?


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On 10 Dec 2003 07:06:00 -0800, (Greg
Zywicki) wrote:

> sf > wrote in message >. ..
>
> >
> > > that is completely
> > > unrelated to kitchen maintenance.
> > >
> > That part I don't know... and I don't care.
> > Put the utensils back where the belong.
> >
> And "Where They Belong" is decreed by you, high priestess of the
> Kitchen, whose proclamations are alway correct and never to be
> questioned.

Did you notice where they were being put? My kitchen is
large and it's not logical. I have drawers and kitchen top
utensil holders for those things next to the stove. It
finally dawned on me that anything in the silverware
"bucket" part of the dishwasher is what goes in with the
flatware. I guess I'll have to separate cooking utensils
from flatware in the future to eliminate the confusion about
what we eat with and what we cook with.
>
> Admitting that it's "Where I Want Them" or "Where I Like Them" might
> get you both further down the road.
>
> Or explaining that "they go here for the perfectly logical reason x"
> might clear things up.

I get the "I didn't do it, sombody else did" routine.
>
> But since you've been at this for 30 years, there's a good chance
> you've done all this. It could be the sort of situation like when I
> mutter about something my wife has done. "Sometimes I just need to
> mutter."
>
That's the crux of the matter. I needed to mutter.... but I
still think it's insane to put spatulas in the flatware
drawer.


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sf > wrote in
:

> On 10 Dec 2003 07:06:00 -0800, (Greg
> Zywicki) wrote:
>
>> sf > wrote in message
>> >. ..
>>
>> >
>> > > that is completely
>> > > unrelated to kitchen maintenance.
>> > >
>> > That part I don't know... and I don't care.
>> > Put the utensils back where the belong.
>> >
>> And "Where They Belong" is decreed by you, high priestess of the
>> Kitchen, whose proclamations are alway correct and never to be
>> questioned.
>
> Did you notice where they were being put? My kitchen is
> large and it's not logical. I have drawers and kitchen top
> utensil holders for those things next to the stove. It
> finally dawned on me that anything in the silverware
> "bucket" part of the dishwasher is what goes in with the
> flatware. I guess I'll have to separate cooking utensils
> from flatware in the future to eliminate the confusion about
> what we eat with and what we cook with.
>>
>> Admitting that it's "Where I Want Them" or "Where I Like Them" might
>> get you both further down the road.
>>
>> Or explaining that "they go here for the perfectly logical reason x"
>> might clear things up.
>
> I get the "I didn't do it, sombody else did" routine.
>>
>> But since you've been at this for 30 years, there's a good chance
>> you've done all this. It could be the sort of situation like when I
>> mutter about something my wife has done. "Sometimes I just need to
>> mutter."
>>
> That's the crux of the matter. I needed to mutter.... but I
> still think it's insane to put spatulas in the flatware
> drawer.

What gets me is that same person will then turn around and ask where the
spatula is.

We have one drawer which is fitted for flatware. For the most part it
stays organized the way it should be and only contains flatware, although
I sometimes find myself sorting out dinner forks from salad forks and
teaspoons from soupspoons. Hey, they eat with them, don't they know what
they are?

We have several very deep drawers with layerer and divided trays that
hold all the "junk" in what was originally a very organized fashion. The
SO seems clueless as to where things should go. Everything just gets
dumped on top. I think it's a matter of not really giving a damn. If he
needs something he'll usually dig until he finds it. I don't expect to
have to do that. When I put something back, it's put in the same place
it came from.

I've come to the conclusion that it's a lose-lose situation.

Wayne

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:48:12 -0500, Trent©
> wrote:


> See what I get for getting into the game late.
>
> I didn't know this was a vindictive post. I thought you were SERIOUS
> about what you were saying. Sorry! lol
>
Well, she didn't hurt my feelings if that's what she wante
to do. We've lived with this for almost the 40 years of
knowing each other. His mother and father died when he was
very young. Mine are still alive. I knew
greatgrandparents, he doesn't even know his grandparents
names. That's life. Some die young, some live longer. He
has outlived his self predicted lifetime expectation and
hopefully he will live for another 30 or 40 years. If he
does, stastics show that I'll outlive him anyway.

BTW: I still don't think those stupid animal pictures are
funny. They were taken by animal abusers and people who
think they are funny are latent animal haters.


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sf > wrote in news:thuftv4ikbt534qvg7eb93lo0rnbrfkbcb@
4ax.com:

< snip >

> BTW: I still don't think those stupid animal pictures are
> funny. They were taken by animal abusers and people who
> think they are funny are latent animal haters.

Oh, I don't know, Barbara. Our little cat Millie sometimes gets to wear a
doll's Amish bonnet. She walks around with it on and seems completely non-
plussed. If I thought I was torturing her with it, I'd never do it.

I never even admonish our two cats' behavior, much less ever raise my
voice. They are "people" in their own right in our household and they get
to do what they want to do.

Truth be told, Millie really looks cute in the bonnet. <G>

Wayne

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On 10 Dec 2003 08:14:45 -0800, (-L.) wrote:

> Katra > wrote in message >...
> > sf wrote:
> > > >
> > > I'm determined to outlast him. I'm genetically superior -
> > > so at the very least, I'll outlive him.
> > >
> > > <S>
> > >
> >
> > Yes, you probably will, much to your sorrow...... :-(
> > I did not find that to be the least bit funny!
>
> Well, I think it was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek instead of "ha-ha"
> funny...

Exactamundo. Sometimes the truth is brutal.
> >
> > That was the entire point I was trying to make, and you missed it,
> > or you would not have made such an insensitive remark.
>
> Well, in her defense, it is highly likely she didn't even see your
> post. I know I don't read every post in a thread...I had to dig it up
> to see what you were referencing.

I saw it. She's just mad that I don't think those pictures
are cute.
>
> >
> > Gods woman! Think, think hard, about what you just typed!
>
> Actually, that's my biggest fear. Having lost the second most
> important person in my life unexpectedly and in a tragic way, I
> totally understand your point. That doesn't mean we can't be minorly
> irritated at them, sometimes...;)

<robotic voice> I am not a Stepford wife. I have
independent thoughts and feelings.
>
> But you are correct - you can't make up for lost time.
>
Lost time? We're not joined at the hip and I want to go to
the bathroom alone! <G>


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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:29:09 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > Putting the dishes away in their proper place (after they've
> > been washed in the dishwasher) isn't brain surgery.
> >
> > So, why do cooking utensils end up in the silverware drawer
> > and (silver) serving utensils end up in the utensil drawer?
>
> If I could have, I would have laughed out loud at the dentist
> today. However, I have not perfected a method of laughing with
> cotton and fingers in my mouth.
>
> They were discussing some product, where is it? Search through
> scary dentist drawers. Don't you think he'd put it by the
> ? (similar product)? I know, tell me about it. I'm getting a
> filling and they're kvetching about someone who puts stuff back
> in an illogical place.
>
> Was funny.
>
Only for the onlooker, unfortunately. :-\

Did it happen before or after you read my kvetch?


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On 10 Dec 2003 06:47:07 -0800, (Greg
Zywicki) wrote:

>
> If my wife said that to me, my blood would instantly boil at the
> adolescent, "You obviously don't love because you do X," ploy.
> It is manipulative and hurtful.
>
> SF, your man doesn't put things back in a particular place because he
> doesn't give a flying hug where they go, and can't fathom why any sane
> individual would spend more than a moment worrying where a spoon went.

Actually, it's the spatulas that can't seem to find their
way home.

> It's not like a wrench or a remote control or something _important_,
> afterall.

LOL! I believe you!
>
> We're such stupid beasts.

But loveable all the same.
>
> Greg Zywicki
> But we can open a jar for you.

And you do it very well, thank you!



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"Trent©" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:42:19 -0600, Katra >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Trent©" wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:55:47 -0600, Katra >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Yes, you probably will, much to your sorrow...... :-(
> >> >I did not find that to be the least bit funny!
> >> >
> >> >That was the entire point I was trying to make, and you missed it,
> >> >or you would not have made such an insensitive remark.
> >> >
> >> >Gods woman! Think, think hard, about what you just typed!
> >> >
> >> >Ok, I know I'm being too serious, but it's that time
> >> >of month you know?
> >>
> >> You really ARE!! You need to chill out, Kat. This was all posted in
> >> jest, I'm sure.
> >>
> >> Do you take everything literally when you go to a comedy club? Or do
> >> you even go?
> >>
> >> REAL life is FUNNY sometimes! Its not always ominous.
> >>
> >> Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season...
> >>
> >> Trent
> >>
> >> Cat...the OTHER white meat!
> >
> >
> >She had a fit about the dressed up kitty posts... and the pictures that
> >I posted that I and many others thought were hilarious.
> >
> >I was just giving her a taste of her own medicine. :-)
> >
> >I find abusing humans far worse than putting a hat on a cat..... <G>
> >
> >K.
>
> See what I get for getting into the game late.
>
> I didn't know this was a vindictive post. I thought you were SERIOUS
> about what you were saying. Sorry! lol
>
> Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season...
>
> Trent
>

I'm seldom serious if I am off topic..... ;-D

K.

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"Trent©" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:32:50 -0600, Katra >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >SF says she is an animal person. Well, she might try dog training
> >techniques on humans.
> >
> >It actually works. <G>
> >
> >K.
>
> I particularly like the 'roll over' command...followed by 'stay'. lol
>
> Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season...
>
> Trent
>

That one is good for when you want your husband/boyfriend to hold your
purse for you in the women's clothing section while you are in the
dressing rooms.... <G>

K.

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sf wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:48:12 -0500, Trent©
> > wrote:
>
> > See what I get for getting into the game late.
> >
> > I didn't know this was a vindictive post. I thought you were SERIOUS
> > about what you were saying. Sorry! lol
> >
> Well, she didn't hurt my feelings if that's what she wante
> to do. We've lived with this for almost the 40 years of
> knowing each other. His mother and father died when he was
> very young. Mine are still alive. I knew
> greatgrandparents, he doesn't even know his grandparents
> names. That's life. Some die young, some live longer. He
> has outlived his self predicted lifetime expectation and
> hopefully he will live for another 30 or 40 years. If he
> does, stastics show that I'll outlive him anyway.

I was not trying to hurt your feelings. :-)
I was trying to get you to lighten up!

BTW, the post I made about the guilt trip scenario was serious,
as that DOES work the majority of the time!

>
> BTW: I still don't think those stupid animal pictures are
> funny. They were taken by animal abusers and people who
> think they are funny are latent animal haters.
>

And you are way WAY in the minority on that opionion.

Do you belone to PETA???

K.

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Pan Ohco > wrote in message >. ..
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:25:34 GMT, sf > wrote:
>
>
> >I'm only complaining online. I rarely cook these days...
> >get home way too late for that. The problem is that when I
> >do decide to cook, it's not worth the time it takes to hunt
> >down all the utensils that have been misplaced.
> >
> >They wonder why I don't cook more. That's why.
>
> You know the old saying "if you want something done right , do it your
> self."
> Pan Ohco

Don't forget the married parent's codicle: "Otherwise, suck it up and
be glad someone's taking care of it inbetween wiping oatmeal off the
ceiling and searching for the grain-sized accessories to action
figures."

Greg Zywicki

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:10:28 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

> sf > wrote in
> >>
> >> But since you've been at this for 30 years, there's a good chance
> >> you've done all this. It could be the sort of situation like when I
> >> mutter about something my wife has done. "Sometimes I just need to
> >> mutter."
> >>
> > That's the crux of the matter. I needed to mutter.... but I
> > still think it's insane to put spatulas in the flatware
> > drawer.
>
> What gets me is that same person will then turn around and ask where the
> spatula is.
>
> We have one drawer which is fitted for flatware. For the most part it
> stays organized the way it should be and only contains flatware, although
> I sometimes find myself sorting out dinner forks from salad forks and
> teaspoons from soupspoons. Hey, they eat with them, don't they know what
> they are?
>
> We have several very deep drawers with layerer and divided trays that
> hold all the "junk" in what was originally a very organized fashion. The
> SO seems clueless as to where things should go. Everything just gets
> dumped on top. I think it's a matter of not really giving a damn. If he
> needs something he'll usually dig until he finds it. I don't expect to
> have to do that. When I put something back, it's put in the same place
> it came from.
>
> I've come to the conclusion that it's a lose-lose situation.
>
> Wayne

Thank you, Wayne! We have a meeting of the minds.


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:25:52 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

> sf > wrote in news:thuftv4ikbt534qvg7eb93lo0rnbrfkbcb@
> 4ax.com:
>
> < snip >
>
> > BTW: I still don't think those stupid animal pictures are
> > funny. They were taken by animal abusers and people who
> > think they are funny are latent animal haters.
>
> Oh, I don't know, Barbara. Our little cat Millie sometimes gets to wear a
> doll's Amish bonnet. She walks around with it on and seems completely non-
> plussed. If I thought I was torturing her with it, I'd never do it.
>
> I never even admonish our two cats' behavior, much less ever raise my
> voice. They are "people" in their own right in our household and they get
> to do what they want to do.
>
> Truth be told, Millie really looks cute in the bonnet. <G>

A loosely worn Amish bonnet isn't in the same league as the
fake lime helmet that poor cat in the picture was made to
wear for photographic purposes.

Some things are cute, other things aren't. I draw the line
at Styrofoam helmets and sunglasses placed on a tail over an
"enhanced" butt.



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sf > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:25:52 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>> sf > wrote in
>> news:thuftv4ikbt534qvg7eb93lo0rnbrfkbcb@ 4ax.com:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>> > BTW: I still don't think those stupid animal pictures are
>> > funny. They were taken by animal abusers and people who
>> > think they are funny are latent animal haters.
>>
>> Oh, I don't know, Barbara. Our little cat Millie sometimes gets to
>> wear a doll's Amish bonnet. She walks around with it on and seems
>> completely non- plussed. If I thought I was torturing her with it,
>> I'd never do it.
>>
>> I never even admonish our two cats' behavior, much less ever raise
>> my voice. They are "people" in their own right in our household and
>> they get to do what they want to do.
>>
>> Truth be told, Millie really looks cute in the bonnet. <G>
>
> A loosely worn Amish bonnet isn't in the same league as the
> fake lime helmet that poor cat in the picture was made to
> wear for photographic purposes.
>
> Some things are cute, other things aren't. I draw the line
> at Styrofoam helmets and sunglasses placed on a tail over an
> "enhanced" butt.

Agreed!

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Wayne Boatwright > wrote in message >...

> sf > wrote in
> :


> > That's the crux of the matter. I needed to mutter.... but I
> > still think it's insane to put spatulas in the flatware
> > drawer.
>
> What gets me is that same person will then turn around and ask where the
> spatula is.


"Wherever you put it, dear."

My mother taught me this one (Mom, where is my XXX ?)


Stella

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"-L." wrote:
>
> (Stella Hackell) wrote in message . com>...
> > Wayne Boatwright > wrote in message >...
> >
> > > sf > wrote in
> > > :
> >
> >
> > > > That's the crux of the matter. I needed to mutter.... but I
> > > > still think it's insane to put spatulas in the flatware
> > > > drawer.
> > >
> > > What gets me is that same person will then turn around and ask where the
> > > spatula is.
> >
> >
> > "Wherever you put it, dear."
> >
> > My mother taught me this one (Mom, where is my XXX ?)
> >
> >
> > Stella
>
> My Mom would always say "In the XXX department".
>
> "Mom, where's my hairbrush?"
> "In the hairbrush department."
>
> Infuriating as hell.
>
> -L.

But I am sure that it worked. :-)
It taught you the whole concept of personal responsibility....

K.

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On 12 Dec 2003 19:28:12 -0800, (-L.) wrote:

> (Stella Hackell) wrote in message
> >
> > My mother taught me this one (Mom, where is my XXX ?)
> >
> >
> > Stella
>
>
> My Mom would always say "In the XXX department".
>
> "Mom, where's my hairbrush?"
> "In the hairbrush department."
>
> Infuriating as hell.
>
That's because Mom put it there an made you guess where it
was.


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On 12 Dec 2003 19:28:12 -0800, (-L.) arranged random
neurons, so they looked like this:

>My Mom would always say "In the XXX department".
>
>"Mom, where's my hairbrush?"
>"In the hairbrush department."
>
>Infuriating as hell.
>
I can still get a rise out of my grown kids when they complain about,
say, having lost something or overslept or hadn't taken the time to
eat breakfast and were now starved, "Well, whoooooose fault is that?"

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...the "tough love" mom :-)
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

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had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had
been as full as the waitress', it would have been a very
good dinner." Anonymous.

To reply, remove "gotcha"

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SportKite1 > wrote:
>>From: anna maria

>>if we lived in a perfect world we wouldn't loose socks in the washing
>>machine... :-)

> Anna, it's LOSE, not loose.

And are speeling wood be butter!

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"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
>
> I can assure you, Stan, that when folks don't differentiate between "lose"
and
> 'loose" it has nothing to do their spelling ability, it's ignorance
regarding
> *definition* amongst homophones... and no, Stan, I'm not saying you're
***.
>
> M-W
>
> ho·mo·phone
>
> noun
> Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
> Date: 1843
> 1 : one of two or more words pronounced alike but different in meaning or
> derivation or spelling (as the words to, too, and two).
>

In my dialect of English, they're not even homophones since I pronounce the
/s/ of "lose" as [z] and "loose" as [s] The advise/advice mix-up is another
very common spelling problem that irritates me. They aren't even pronounced
the same way (as practise/practice is) so why do people think the words are
interchangeable? (Poor reasoning, I know, but it's mine :-)).

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"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" writes:

>"PENMART01" wrote:
>>
>> I can assure you, Stan, that when folks don't differentiate
>>between "lose" and 'loose" it has nothing to do their spelling
>ability, it's ignorance regarding *definition* amongst homophones...
>>and no, Stan, I'm not saying you're ***.
>>
>> M-W
>>
>> ho·mo·phone
>>
>> noun
>> Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
>> Date: 1843
>> 1 : one of two or more words pronounced alike but different in meaning or
>> derivation or spelling (as the words to, too, and two).
>>
>
>In my dialect of English, they're not even homophones since I pronounce the
>/s/ of "lose" as [z] and "loose" as [s] The advise/advice mix-up is another
>very common spelling problem that irritates me. They aren't even pronounced
>the same way (as practise/practice is) so why do people think the words are
>interchangeable? (Poor reasoning, I know, but it's mine :-)).


Pronunciations differ by region/ethnicity, etc., whereas many sets of words are
pronounced so similarly as to be considered homophonic... one of the most often
used material of punsters. Dictionary pronunciations are rough standards, not
to be considered empirical. Even siblings pronounce the same words
differently, same as their syntax differs, but over time those who converse
regularly do not notice minor verbalization differences amongst themselves, and
in fact those who spend time conversing regularly adopt each others speech
patterns and pronunciations, whereas eventually both take on a new way of
speaking with each other. Pronunciation is as individualized as finger prints,
which is how voice recognition technology evolved. Folks don't swap "advice"
with "advise" because of inabilty to spell correctly, it's because they are
ignorant of the definition/usage... often the same person uses both words
indiscriminately with apparently no rhyme or reason for doing so, other than
their ignorance. Of coursse herre where therer is olny a keybooarde oone must
guve grreat weihgt to typoess .




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"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
>
> Pronunciations differ by region/ethnicity, etc., whereas many sets of
words are
> pronounced so similarly as to be considered homophonic... one of the most
often
> used material of punsters.

When I was in junior high, there was a joke in a joke book about an African
American (in those days, "black") man getting a vasectomy. The punchline
was that he wanted to be "impotent." I didn't understand why it was funny,
probably because I knew very few African Americans who would pronounce
"important" and "impotent" the same way. People in the US, however, would
probaby have gotten the joke much more quickly than I (I was probably in my
20's before I finally understood :-)).

<snip>
>but over time those who converse
> regularly do not notice minor verbalization differences amongst
themselves, and
> in fact those who spend time conversing regularly adopt each others speech
> patterns and pronunciations, whereas eventually both take on a new way of
> speaking with each other.
<smip>

True, true...my pronunciation of most words is more similar to my parents'
pronunciation than standard Canadian pronunciation. In fact, many Americans
assume I'm American because of the way I talk (I do have Canadian raising
but it's slight in comparison to most Canadians).

Right now I'm hoping the Northern Cities Vowel Shift thing that is spreading
across the US doesn't make it's way to Canada. It probably annoys me as
much as my pronunciation of "tomorrow" annoys my American friends :-).

rona

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