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sf 07-12-2003 04:25 AM

Disposible foam plates
 
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:52:23 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>
> http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/Helmetkitty.jpg
>

My biggest question other than why so many people find this
cute - is who really believes that's a lime?


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Katra 07-12-2003 06:54 AM

Disposible foam plates
 


sf wrote:
>
> On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:52:23 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/Helmetkitty.jpg
> >

> My biggest question other than why so many people find this
> cute - is who really believes that's a lime?
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments


I think it's funny as heck, and you would too if you ever were owned by
a dignified persian... :-)

And, some persians are pretty small, and I've seen some rilly big limes!

I know that Diana could easily wear a "helmet" made from a large lime,
but she would NOT be happy about it. <G>

That picture actually looks like somewhat of a ticked off kitty to me.
They have very eloquent body language!

K.

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all owned by cats" -- Asimov

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Sheryl Rosen 07-12-2003 03:13 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
in article , sf at
wrote on 12/6/03 11:25 PM:

>>
>>
http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/Helmetkitty.jpg
>>

> My biggest question other than why so many people find this
> cute - is who really believes that's a lime?


Well, I immediately figured it was a green orange. So I never believed it
was a lime. If it's a lime, that's a very small cat. I had gotten it in
email a few days before it was posted here, it came to me with the caption
along the lines of "what do you do when you have too much time, a sharp
knife, a really big lime, and a cat?"

But it's funny because of the look on the cat's face.
"Ok. Why'd you do this to me? I look stupid, don't I?"

For anyone who knows cats, it's cute. For one thing, cats hate the smell of
citrus. For another, they do not like stuff on their heads. To get a cat to
sit still long enough to snap that photo, well, that's some cat!
>
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments




Katra 07-12-2003 03:39 PM

Disposible foam plates
 


Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
> in article , sf at
>
wrote on 12/6/03 11:25 PM:
>
> >>
> >>
http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/Helmetkitty.jpg
> >>

> > My biggest question other than why so many people find this
> > cute - is who really believes that's a lime?

>
> Well, I immediately figured it was a green orange. So I never believed it
> was a lime. If it's a lime, that's a very small cat. I had gotten it in
> email a few days before it was posted here, it came to me with the caption
> along the lines of "what do you do when you have too much time, a sharp
> knife, a really big lime, and a cat?"
>
> But it's funny because of the look on the cat's face.
> "Ok. Why'd you do this to me? I look stupid, don't I?"
>
> For anyone who knows cats, it's cute. For one thing, cats hate the smell of
> citrus. For another, they do not like stuff on their heads. To get a cat to
> sit still long enough to snap that photo, well, that's some cat!


Another cat lover I see... ;-)
That poor thing looks, like, really undignified.

Kinda like this one that accidently got a "lion cut" at the groomers:

http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/LionKitty.jpg

This one looks totally ticked! Poor thing. ;-D

K.
--
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"There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are
all owned by cats" -- Asimov

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Jack Schidt® 07-12-2003 04:11 PM

Disposible foam plates
 

> wrote in message
...
> Being a bachelor, I use a lot of paper plates. Recently they had foam
> plates on sale, so I thought I'd give them a try. Well, they are
> horrible. Yesterday I fried some eggs, put them on the plate and they
> melted right thru. Today I made pancakes, put them on the foam plate
> and they melted thru, pouring syrup all down my clothing. Tomorrow I
> will return these plates to the store. Not only are they useless for
> hot foods, but I tend to wonder what harm that melted foam does when I
> eat it. I will never buy these again.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem, or are these just lousy plates?
>


Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....

Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha drunks
are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of gramma's chinelle,
chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a dishwasher. Doesn't hafta
be anything fancy, just something that you can wash real dishes in. I'm
sure we'll get chided for this appliance minded thing but just let that roll
off your back; this is the bachelor hour and we don't need a buncha
handwringing over handwashing. Handwashing dishes sucks, not to mention
dishwashers get dishes cleaner and use less water and electricity.

Food doesn't melt real dishes. Food tastes better on real dishes. Food
looks better on real dishes. Food can be the gateway to romance, if you're
so inclined. Nothing sez 'one night stand' like beef-a-roni on a paper
plate accompanied by plastic fork and Dale Earnhart plastic tumbler. Come
to think of it, the aforementioned place setting really sez "wife beater".
Trust me, you'll attract and hang on to better lovuhs if ya take that one
small step. I'm not talking the ones who wake up, grab the money off the
nightstand and run away, either.

Then again, you may prefer a solo career. Never mind then.

Jack Mel-Onan



Rona Yuthasastrakosol 07-12-2003 04:43 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
"Katra" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I think it's funny as heck, and you would too if you ever were owned by
> a dignified persian... :-)
>
> And, some persians are pretty small, and I've seen some rilly big limes!
>


I think it was a pomelo, not a lime.

> I know that Diana could easily wear a "helmet" made from a large lime,
> but she would NOT be happy about it. <G>
>
> That picture actually looks like somewhat of a ticked off kitty to me.
> They have very eloquent body language!
>


Yes, they have an amazing ability to let you know exactly what they're
thinking :-). My cat just walked away in a huff because I accidentally
petted her haunch (she hates being petted around her haunches and around her
armpits). Then, when far enough away so that I couldn't pet her anymore,
she turned around, gave me a "look", and curled into a ball to sleep. She
sure told me!

rona
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Wayne Boatwright 07-12-2003 06:24 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
Katra > wrote in
:

>
>
> Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>>
>> in article , sf at
>>
wrote on 12/6/03 11:25 PM:
>>
>> >>
>> >>
http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/Helmetkitty.jpg
>> >>
>> > My biggest question other than why so many people find this
>> > cute - is who really believes that's a lime?

>>
>> Well, I immediately figured it was a green orange. So I never
>> believed it was a lime. If it's a lime, that's a very small cat. I
>> had gotten it in email a few days before it was posted here, it came
>> to me with the caption along the lines of "what do you do when you
>> have too much time, a sharp knife, a really big lime, and a cat?"
>>
>> But it's funny because of the look on the cat's face.
>> "Ok. Why'd you do this to me? I look stupid, don't I?"
>>
>> For anyone who knows cats, it's cute. For one thing, cats hate the
>> smell of citrus. For another, they do not like stuff on their heads.
>> To get a cat to sit still long enough to snap that photo, well,
>> that's some cat!

>
> Another cat lover I see... ;-)
> That poor thing looks, like, really undignified.
>
> Kinda like this one that accidently got a "lion cut" at the groomers:
>
> http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/LionKitty.jpg
>
> This one looks totally ticked! Poor thing. ;-D
>
> K.


Katra, this is how we have our cat, Millie, groomed since we moved to AZ.
Her hair normally dragged on the floor due to its length. Only
difference...Millie is a natural "bobtail" and has a "poof" on her butt!

Her last trip to the groomer's ended in a horrible mistake. The groomer
trimmed her head and face as well. Poor thing, she was upset for days
and days!

Wayne

Wayne Boatwright 07-12-2003 06:28 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
zenit > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:11:21 GMT,
> "Jack Schidt®" >
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> Being a bachelor, I use a lot of paper plates.
>>> Has anyone else had this problem, or are these just lousy plates?
>>>

>>
>>Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....
>>
>>Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha
>>drunks are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of gramma's
>>chinelle, chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a dishwasher.
>>Jack Mel-Onan

>
> I'm rootin' for dishwasher safe paper plates...
>
> <! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
> zenit
>


Actually, those disposable plastic plates survive a trip to the
dishwasher quite well as long as you skip the heated dry cycle.

When we were in the midst of moving and our china was still packed, we
ran out of the pastic plates and gave it a try. I certainly wouldn't
make a habit of it, however.

Wayne

Katra 07-12-2003 06:54 PM

Disposible foam plates
 


Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> Katra > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> >
> > Sheryl Rosen wrote:
> >>
> >> in article , sf at
> >>
wrote on 12/6/03 11:25 PM:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/Helmetkitty.jpg
> >> >>
> >> > My biggest question other than why so many people find this
> >> > cute - is who really believes that's a lime?
> >>
> >> Well, I immediately figured it was a green orange. So I never
> >> believed it was a lime. If it's a lime, that's a very small cat. I
> >> had gotten it in email a few days before it was posted here, it came
> >> to me with the caption along the lines of "what do you do when you
> >> have too much time, a sharp knife, a really big lime, and a cat?"
> >>
> >> But it's funny because of the look on the cat's face.
> >> "Ok. Why'd you do this to me? I look stupid, don't I?"
> >>
> >> For anyone who knows cats, it's cute. For one thing, cats hate the
> >> smell of citrus. For another, they do not like stuff on their heads.
> >> To get a cat to sit still long enough to snap that photo, well,
> >> that's some cat!

> >
> > Another cat lover I see... ;-)
> > That poor thing looks, like, really undignified.
> >
> > Kinda like this one that accidently got a "lion cut" at the groomers:
> >
> > http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/LionKitty.jpg
> >
> > This one looks totally ticked! Poor thing. ;-D
> >
> > K.

>
> Katra, this is how we have our cat, Millie, groomed since we moved to AZ.
> Her hair normally dragged on the floor due to its length. Only
> difference...Millie is a natural "bobtail" and has a "poof" on her butt!
>
> Her last trip to the groomer's ended in a horrible mistake. The groomer
> trimmed her head and face as well. Poor thing, she was upset for days
> and days!
>
> Wayne


Yeesh! Hope she did not remove whiskers???
That would be bad.

When I have my persians groomed, I have the groomer shave their belly
and butt, and remove any other small matts that I was unable to keep
brushed out. :-) Then they get bathed and brushed.

She charges me $40.00 per cat.... and Diana bites so has to be muzzled. :-P

Do you let your kitty outdoors?
I don't, so the "lion cut" is not necessary. :-)

Gotta love central air.

K.
--
>^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^<


"There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are
all owned by cats" -- Asimov

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Katra 07-12-2003 06:58 PM

Disposible foam plates
 


Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:
>
> "Katra" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > I think it's funny as heck, and you would too if you ever were owned by
> > a dignified persian... :-)
> >
> > And, some persians are pretty small, and I've seen some rilly big limes!
> >

>
> I think it was a pomelo, not a lime.
>
> > I know that Diana could easily wear a "helmet" made from a large lime,
> > but she would NOT be happy about it. <G>
> >
> > That picture actually looks like somewhat of a ticked off kitty to me.
> > They have very eloquent body language!
> >

>
> Yes, they have an amazing ability to let you know exactly what they're
> thinking :-). My cat just walked away in a huff because I accidentally
> petted her haunch (she hates being petted around her haunches and around her
> armpits). Then, when far enough away so that I couldn't pet her anymore,
> she turned around, gave me a "look", and curled into a ball to sleep. She
> sure told me!
>
> rona
> --


<snicker> I can picture that. ;-)
I have one cat that only likes her face, cheeks and chin scratched.
That's it. I touch her anywhere else and she gets annoyed and will stalk off.

Of course, this is the same cat that gets to wear a muzzle at the
groomers. <G> I do love her, but her nick name is "bitchy kitty" for
good reason.

K.
--
>^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^< >^,,^<


"There are millions of intelligent species in the universe, and they are
all owned by cats" -- Asimov

Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry
http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAP...s&userid=katra

Sheryl Rosen 07-12-2003 08:22 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
in article , Jack Schidt® at
wrote on 12/7/03 11:11 AM:

> Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....
>
> Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha drunks
> are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of gramma's chinelle,
> chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a dishwasher.


Trust me when I tell you this:
Jack Schidt has a dishwasher!
And it's awesome!!!!


sf 07-12-2003 08:38 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:39:37 -0600, Katra
> wrote:


> >
> > For anyone who knows cats, it's cute. For one thing, cats hate the smell of
> > citrus. For another, they do not like stuff on their heads. To get a cat to
> > sit still long enough to snap that photo, well, that's some cat!

>
> Another cat lover I see... ;-)
> That poor thing looks, like, really undignified.
>
> Kinda like this one that accidently got a "lion cut" at the groomers:
>
> http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/LionKitty.jpg
>
> This one looks totally ticked! Poor thing. ;-D
>


I've seen them all and still fail to understand why cat
lovers think virtually torturing the poor animal by giving
them a stupid haircut (you KNOW it was on purpose, just to
photograph) or plonking something they don't like on their
head is funny.

sf
lover of cats AND dogs


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

sf 07-12-2003 08:40 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:21:15 -0500, zenit
> wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:11:21 GMT,
> "Jack Schidt®" >
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
> >
> > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> Being a bachelor, I use a lot of paper plates.
> >> Has anyone else had this problem, or are these just lousy plates?
> >>

> >
> >Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....
> >
> >Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha drunks
> >are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of gramma's chinelle,
> >chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a dishwasher.
> >Jack Mel-Onan

>
> I'm rootin' for dishwasher safe paper plates...
>

That's the fate of "disposable" plastic plates at my house.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Rona Yuthasastrakosol 07-12-2003 08:53 PM

Disposible foam plates
 

"Katra" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> <snicker> I can picture that. ;-)
> I have one cat that only likes her face, cheeks and chin scratched.
> That's it. I touch her anywhere else and she gets annoyed and will stalk

off.
>


That's pretty much where my cat likes to be touched, too! Except she also
likes being massaged between her shoulder blades and in a great while, will
allow tummy/chest rubs. She loves having the pink part of her nose rubbed,
and if I put my finger in front of her nose (but not touching it), she'll
push her nose into it and rub it against my finger. Very cute!

> Of course, this is the same cat that gets to wear a muzzle at the
> groomers. <G> I do love her, but her nick name is "bitchy kitty" for
> good reason.
>


She's not a bitchy kitty, she's a kitchy! :-)

rona

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Wayne Boatwright 07-12-2003 09:02 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
Katra > wrote in
:

>
>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> Katra > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>> >>
>> >> in article , sf at
>> >>
wrote on 12/6/03 11:25 PM:
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/Helmetkitty.jpg
>> >> >>
>> >> > My biggest question other than why so many people find this
>> >> > cute - is who really believes that's a lime?
>> >>
>> >> Well, I immediately figured it was a green orange. So I never
>> >> believed it was a lime. If it's a lime, that's a very small cat.
>> >> I had gotten it in email a few days before it was posted here, it
>> >> came to me with the caption along the lines of "what do you do
>> >> when you have too much time, a sharp knife, a really big lime, and
>> >> a cat?"
>> >>
>> >> But it's funny because of the look on the cat's face.
>> >> "Ok. Why'd you do this to me? I look stupid, don't I?"
>> >>
>> >> For anyone who knows cats, it's cute. For one thing, cats hate the
>> >> smell of citrus. For another, they do not like stuff on their
>> >> heads. To get a cat to sit still long enough to snap that photo,
>> >> well, that's some cat!
>> >
>> > Another cat lover I see... ;-)
>> > That poor thing looks, like, really undignified.
>> >
>> > Kinda like this one that accidently got a "lion cut" at the
>> > groomers:
>> >
>> > http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/LionKitty.jpg
>> >
>> > This one looks totally ticked! Poor thing. ;-D
>> >
>> > K.

>>
>> Katra, this is how we have our cat, Millie, groomed since we moved to
>> AZ. Her hair normally dragged on the floor due to its length. Only
>> difference...Millie is a natural "bobtail" and has a "poof" on her
>> butt!
>>
>> Her last trip to the groomer's ended in a horrible mistake. The
>> groomer trimmed her head and face as well. Poor thing, she was upset
>> for days and days!
>>
>> Wayne

>
> Yeesh! Hope she did not remove whiskers???
> That would be bad.


Actually, she did, and it is bad. Poor Millie can't fathom what happened
to her this time. We told the owner that we didn't want that particular
groomer to groom Millie in the future. They've always done a superb job
in the past.

>
> When I have my persians groomed, I have the groomer shave their belly
> and butt, and remove any other small matts that I was unable to keep
> brushed out. :-) Then they get bathed and brushed.


Millie always gets a "lion cut", then bathed and dried.

>
> She charges me $40.00 per cat.... and Diana bites so has to be
> muzzled. :-P


Millie doesn't bite, but we're charged $50.00 for her grooming, albeit,
it's always a wonderful job.

>
> Do you let your kitty outdoors?
> I don't, so the "lion cut" is not necessary. :-)


Almost never, and then only on the patio accompanied by us. Millie is
declawed (big mistake I will never repeat). Bailey, our second cat, is a
huge tabby. He's very protective of Millie even though he is six years
younger. :-)

>
> Gotta love central air.


Amen! In the central AZ desert, I don't think we'd survive without it!

Wayne

[email protected] 07-12-2003 09:24 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
I'm as lazy as sh**, too. Its easier to throw a plate out. I use foam
plates all the time.
Food containing alot of fat will heat the plastic and it can curl the
plate and melt through. Try doubling up the plate. I never buy them
unless they are 2 cents per plate or less. This week at Pathmark the
store brand is 50 plates for $1.
I'm lazy and if I used real plates all the time my sink would be full of
dishes. If I had a dishwasher I would use real plates.


PENMART01 07-12-2003 09:41 PM

Disposible foam plates
 
In article > , "Jack Schidt®"
> writes:

> wrote in message
.. .
>> Being a bachelor, I use a lot of paper plates. Recently they had foam
>> plates on sale, so I thought I'd give them a try. Well, they are
>> horrible. Yesterday I fried some eggs, put them on the plate and they
>> melted right thru. Today I made pancakes, put them on the foam plate
>> and they melted thru, pouring syrup all down my clothing. Tomorrow I
>> will return these plates to the store. Not only are they useless for
>> hot foods, but I tend to wonder what harm that melted foam does when I
>> eat it. I will never buy these again.
>>
>> Has anyone else had this problem, or are these just lousy plates?
>>

>
>Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....
>
>Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha drunks
>are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of gramma's chinelle,
>chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a dishwasher. Doesn't hafta
>be anything fancy, just something that you can wash real dishes in. I'm
>sure we'll get chided for this appliance minded thing but just let that roll
>off your back; this is the bachelor hour and we don't need a buncha
>handwringing over handwashing. Handwashing dishes sucks, not to mention
>dishwashers get dishes cleaner and use less water and electricity.
>
>Food doesn't melt real dishes. Food tastes better on real dishes. Food
>looks better on real dishes. Food can be the gateway to romance, if you're
>so inclined. Nothing sez 'one night stand' like beef-a-roni on a paper
>plate accompanied by plastic fork and Dale Earnhart plastic tumbler. Come
>to think of it, the aforementioned place setting really sez "wife beater".
>Trust me, you'll attract and hang on to better lovuhs if ya take that one
>small step. I'm not talking the ones who wake up, grab the money off the
>nightstand and run away, either.


So what's your alibi... must be the six bucks you spent on your service for 5
1/2 collection of mismatched chipped/crazed Salvation Army niftie thrifties.
<G>


---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =---
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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."


Mark 07-12-2003 09:56 PM

Disposible foam plates
 


Jack Schidt® wrote:

>
> Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....
>
> Paper plates are for peons.




Yes, they are.


I acquired Pyrex at the start of my bachelor years. Wife and I still use
them.

Something about eating off of disposable plates that has never appealed
to me.




--

Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)


zxcvbob 07-12-2003 09:59 PM

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Jack Schidt® wrote:

>
> Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....
>
> Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha drunks
> are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of gramma's chinelle,
> chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a dishwasher. Doesn't hafta
> be anything fancy, just something that you can wash real dishes in. I'm
> sure we'll get chided for this appliance minded thing but just let that roll
> off your back; this is the bachelor hour and we don't need a buncha
> handwringing over handwashing. Handwashing dishes sucks, not to mention
> dishwashers get dishes cleaner and use less water and electricity.



Dishwasher? That's what the *dog* is for...

You've got me curious though, how you can say a dishwasher uses less
electricity than washing by hand.

Best regards,
Bob


ameijers 07-12-2003 10:39 PM

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"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> Jack Schidt® wrote:
>
> >

(snip)
> Dishwasher? That's what the *dog* is for...
>
> You've got me curious though, how you can say a dishwasher uses less
> electricity than washing by hand.
>

He must have an electric water heater. Even with gas, though, unless you use
very disciplined and frugal washing techniques (soaking tub, rinsing
lab-style with a thin stream of water, etc), the machine is probably as good
or better on use of resources, and (in my experience) DOES get them cleaner.
Even with the cheap apartment grade machine I have. Only times it has failed
me is with very hard food residue from an orphan plate, or when there were
temporary water pressure/ph problems. My water is so soft, I have to use
LESS detergent in DW / clothes washer, or I get residue. As long as I rinse
and brush off the plates after every meal, twice a week is all the more
often I need to run the thing. (no, I don't prewash, just knock off the
thick spots.)

yes, I live alone (obviously)...

aem sends....


Katra 07-12-2003 11:14 PM

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sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:39:37 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
> > >
> > > For anyone who knows cats, it's cute. For one thing, cats hate the smell of
> > > citrus. For another, they do not like stuff on their heads. To get a cat to
> > > sit still long enough to snap that photo, well, that's some cat!

> >
> > Another cat lover I see... ;-)
> > That poor thing looks, like, really undignified.
> >
> > Kinda like this one that accidently got a "lion cut" at the groomers:
> >
> > http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/LionKitty.jpg
> >
> > This one looks totally ticked! Poor thing. ;-D
> >

>
> I've seen them all and still fail to understand why cat
> lovers think virtually torturing the poor animal by giving
> them a stupid haircut (you KNOW it was on purpose, just to
> photograph) or plonking something they don't like on their
> head is funny.
>
> sf
> lover of cats AND dogs
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments



Most real cat lovers would not do that to their cats unless it was for
their health.... :-) I do have my persians bellies and rear ends shaved
as needed to prevent matts and dingleberries.

I also shaved my shelties for the first time this summer, and they were
OH so much more active and happy! :-) They appreciated not having all
that heavy fur during the hot summer.

I don't give my cats funny haircuts, but I don't see anything wrong with
dressing them funny, IF they are willing and cooperative! It's not all
that unusual for young kids to treat some cats like dolls.

It's no more cruel than this was to this dog:

http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/DogSunglasses.jpg

Where is your sense of humor if the animal is not being harmed???

K.

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Katra 07-12-2003 11:28 PM

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> Katra > wrote in
> :
>


<snipped>

> >>
> >> Her last trip to the groomer's ended in a horrible mistake. The
> >> groomer trimmed her head and face as well. Poor thing, she was upset
> >> for days and days!
> >>
> >> Wayne

> >
> > Yeesh! Hope she did not remove whiskers???
> > That would be bad.

>
> Actually, she did, and it is bad. Poor Millie can't fathom what happened
> to her this time. We told the owner that we didn't want that particular
> groomer to groom Millie in the future. They've always done a superb job
> in the past.


Oh dear! I'd hope that ANY cat groomer knew that you NEVER EVER remove a
cat's whiskers or eyebrows! It's almost like making them blind and/or
deaf. :-( Is she navigating ok? It's going to take those forever to
grow back too.....

>
> >
> > When I have my persians groomed, I have the groomer shave their belly
> > and butt, and remove any other small matts that I was unable to keep
> > brushed out. :-) Then they get bathed and brushed.

>
> Millie always gets a "lion cut", then bathed and dried.


Guess it makes her coat easier to care for anyway...

Diana was totally shaved when I got her from the shelter, except for her
face and paws. She looked rather odd and is a torty.
They said that she was a stray and was one giant matt!

>
> >
> > She charges me $40.00 per cat.... and Diana bites so has to be
> > muzzled. :-P

>
> Millie doesn't bite, but we're charged $50.00 for her grooming, albeit,
> it's always a wonderful job.


I think it's worth it personally. <G>

>
> >
> > Do you let your kitty outdoors?
> > I don't, so the "lion cut" is not necessary. :-)

>
> Almost never, and then only on the patio accompanied by us. Millie is
> declawed (big mistake I will never repeat). Bailey, our second cat, is a
> huge tabby. He's very protective of Millie even though he is six years
> younger. :-)


I'm not a big fan of declawing either... I did pay for my sister's cat
to get done, but that was because this particular cat was a bit too
eager to use his claws on humans. He had a bad "swiping" habit and was
hurting the baby.

Now he runs from the baby which is what he should have done in the first place.

I'd never declaw unless the cat was agressive with his claws. None of
mine are, I just practice trimming as needed for the ones that are just
a bit careless with them...

>
> >
> > Gotta love central air.

>
> Amen! In the central AZ desert, I don't think we'd survive without it!
>
> Wayne


Central Texas. :-) Not quite as bad as Arizona, but bad enough during
the peak of the summer!

K.

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Katra 07-12-2003 11:43 PM

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zxcvbob wrote:
>
> Jack Schidt® wrote:
>
> >
> > Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....
> >
> > Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha drunks
> > are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of gramma's chinelle,
> > chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a dishwasher. Doesn't hafta
> > be anything fancy, just something that you can wash real dishes in. I'm
> > sure we'll get chided for this appliance minded thing but just let that roll
> > off your back; this is the bachelor hour and we don't need a buncha
> > handwringing over handwashing. Handwashing dishes sucks, not to mention
> > dishwashers get dishes cleaner and use less water and electricity.

>
> Dishwasher? That's what the *dog* is for...


ROFL!!!
I was amazed one day when the "princess" at work admitted that she used
her dogs as the initial cleaning for her roasting pans. :-) I do too. It
makes final washup much easier if you did not deglaze your pan for some
reason. <G>

And the dogs enjoy it immensely.

>
> You've got me curious though, how you can say a dishwasher uses less
> electricity than washing by hand.
>
> Best regards,
> Bob


I wonder about that too.
I have a "dish washer", it's called a sink, sink drainer and a pair of
hands. :-)

K.
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Jack Schidt® 08-12-2003 01:25 AM

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"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> In article > , "Jack

Schidt®"
> > writes:
>
> > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> Being a bachelor, I use a lot of paper plates. Recently they had foam
> >> plates on sale, so I thought I'd give them a try. Well, they are
> >> horrible. Yesterday I fried some eggs, put them on the plate and they
> >> melted right thru. Today I made pancakes, put them on the foam plate
> >> and they melted thru, pouring syrup all down my clothing. Tomorrow I
> >> will return these plates to the store. Not only are they useless for
> >> hot foods, but I tend to wonder what harm that melted foam does when I
> >> eat it. I will never buy these again.
> >>
> >> Has anyone else had this problem, or are these just lousy plates?
> >>

> >
> >Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....
> >
> >Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha drunks
> >are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of gramma's chinelle,
> >chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a dishwasher. Doesn't

hafta
> >be anything fancy, just something that you can wash real dishes in. I'm
> >sure we'll get chided for this appliance minded thing but just let that

roll
> >off your back; this is the bachelor hour and we don't need a buncha
> >handwringing over handwashing. Handwashing dishes sucks, not to mention
> >dishwashers get dishes cleaner and use less water and electricity.
> >
> >Food doesn't melt real dishes. Food tastes better on real dishes. Food
> >looks better on real dishes. Food can be the gateway to romance, if

you're
> >so inclined. Nothing sez 'one night stand' like beef-a-roni on a paper
> >plate accompanied by plastic fork and Dale Earnhart plastic tumbler.

Come
> >to think of it, the aforementioned place setting really sez "wife

beater".
> >Trust me, you'll attract and hang on to better lovuhs if ya take that one
> >small step. I'm not talking the ones who wake up, grab the money off the
> >nightstand and run away, either.

>
> So what's your alibi... must be the six bucks you spent on your service

for 5
> 1/2 collection of mismatched chipped/crazed Salvation Army niftie

thrifties.
> <G>
>


Don't forgetted the used Hellman's jar beer and wine glasses.

Jack Rube



Sheryl Rosen 08-12-2003 01:25 AM

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in article , sf at
wrote on 12/7/03 3:38 PM:

> I've seen them all and still fail to understand why cat
> lovers think virtually torturing the poor animal by giving
> them a stupid haircut (you KNOW it was on purpose, just to
> photograph) or plonking something they don't like on their
> head is funny.
>
> sf
> lover of cats AND dogs


I can't speak for other cat people, but I like looking at the pix and
laughing, but if anyone did that to MY cat, I'd be mad!

I didn't think they did the haircut for the photo, although the fruit thing
on their head, maybe.....

I don't get giving cats haircuts, never did, but I know people who do it and
different strokes, as they say. As for the fruit on the head, it's not
torture. I'm certain that cat took that thing off its head moments after the
flash went off. I'm surprised it sat still with it long enough to have its
picture taken!

Wanna talk torture, lets discuss declawing.


Julia Altshuler 08-12-2003 01:41 AM

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My suggestion would be to wash a plate, but the original poster wouldn't
have written if he liked that idea. With that in mind, I suggest a
plate with a disposable paper plate liner. The plate can be metal,
pottery, plastic or china, doesn't matter, as long as it is a normal
washable plate. The liner is a PAPER plate, not foam or plastic, plain
paper. The paper plate goes on the solid one. Food goes on the paper.
Eater eats. Paper plate gets thrown away. Solid plate might need to
be washed now and then for when liquids leak on to it, but for the most
part, it never touches food. That way the plate can be handled without
everything falling off, but the plate is still disposable. The paper is
easier on the environment too since it uses about the amount of paper
that a few mistakes when writing a letter do.

--Lia


PENMART01 08-12-2003 01:47 AM

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sf > writes:

> Katra-inka wrote:
>>
>> http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/LionKitty.jpg
>>
>> This one looks totally ticked! Poor thing. ;-D

>
>I've seen them all and still fail to understand why cat
>lovers think virtually torturing the poor animal by giving
>them a stupid haircut (you KNOW it was on purpose, just to
>photograph) or plonking something they don't like on their
>head is funny.


She's trailor trash is why.


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---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."


Katra 08-12-2003 03:00 AM

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Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
> in article , sf at
>
wrote on 12/7/03 3:38 PM:
>
> > I've seen them all and still fail to understand why cat
> > lovers think virtually torturing the poor animal by giving
> > them a stupid haircut (you KNOW it was on purpose, just to
> > photograph) or plonking something they don't like on their
> > head is funny.
> >
> > sf
> > lover of cats AND dogs

>
> I can't speak for other cat people, but I like looking at the pix and
> laughing, but if anyone did that to MY cat, I'd be mad!
>
> I didn't think they did the haircut for the photo, although the fruit thing
> on their head, maybe.....
>
> I don't get giving cats haircuts, never did, but I know people who do it and
> different strokes, as they say. As for the fruit on the head, it's not
> torture. I'm certain that cat took that thing off its head moments after the
> flash went off. I'm surprised it sat still with it long enough to have its
> picture taken!
>
> Wanna talk torture, lets discuss declawing.


Yeah. :-(
But move it to the cat list...
There are numerous threads on rec.pets.cat.health.behav that cover that
subject...

K.

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>^,,^<

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Katra 08-12-2003 03:05 AM

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PENMART01 wrote:
>
> sf > writes:
>
> > Katra-inka wrote:
> >>
> >> http://home.centurytel.net/Katraslink/LionKitty.jpg
> >>
> >> This one looks totally ticked! Poor thing. ;-D

> >
> >I've seen them all and still fail to understand why cat
> >lovers think virtually torturing the poor animal by giving
> >them a stupid haircut (you KNOW it was on purpose, just to
> >photograph) or plonking something they don't like on their
> >head is funny.

>
> She's trailor trash is why.
>
> Sheldon
> ````````````


You mis-spelled it again Sheldong darling..... ;-D

The only trailers I am into are he

http://www.apple.com/trailers/

<hugs>
K.

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Wayne Boatwright 08-12-2003 04:18 AM

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Katra > wrote in
:

>
>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> Katra > wrote in
>> :
>>

>
> <snipped>
>
>> >>
>> >> Her last trip to the groomer's ended in a horrible mistake. The
>> >> groomer trimmed her head and face as well. Poor thing, she was
>> >> upset for days and days!
>> >>
>> >> Wayne
>> >
>> > Yeesh! Hope she did not remove whiskers???
>> > That would be bad.

>>
>> Actually, she did, and it is bad. Poor Millie can't fathom what
>> happened to her this time. We told the owner that we didn't want
>> that particular groomer to groom Millie in the future. They've
>> always done a superb job in the past.

>
> Oh dear! I'd hope that ANY cat groomer knew that you NEVER EVER remove
> a cat's whiskers or eyebrows! It's almost like making them blind
> and/or deaf. :-( Is she navigating ok? It's going to take those
> forever to grow back too.....


Just her whiskers, but that was bad enough. And, oh, the tufts from her
ears. She's a bit wobbly and skittish now, but getting better. I still
can't believe this groomer did this. She looked like a very tiny,
sheared schnauzer.

>>
>> >
>> > When I have my persians groomed, I have the groomer shave their
>> > belly and butt, and remove any other small matts that I was unable
>> > to keep brushed out. :-) Then they get bathed and brushed.

>>
>> Millie always gets a "lion cut", then bathed and dried.

>
> Guess it makes her coat easier to care for anyway...
>
> Diana was totally shaved when I got her from the shelter, except for
> her face and paws. She looked rather odd and is a torty.
> They said that she was a stray and was one giant matt!


Probably the only solution then.

>
>>
>> >
>> > She charges me $40.00 per cat.... and Diana bites so has to be
>> > muzzled. :-P

>>
>> Millie doesn't bite, but we're charged $50.00 for her grooming,
>> albeit, it's always a wonderful job.

>
> I think it's worth it personally. <G>


I agree.

>>
>> >
>> > Do you let your kitty outdoors?
>> > I don't, so the "lion cut" is not necessary. :-)

>>
>> Almost never, and then only on the patio accompanied by us. Millie
>> is declawed (big mistake I will never repeat). Bailey, our second
>> cat, is a huge tabby. He's very protective of Millie even though he
>> is six years younger. :-)

>
> I'm not a big fan of declawing either... I did pay for my sister's cat
> to get done, but that was because this particular cat was a bit too
> eager to use his claws on humans. He had a bad "swiping" habit and was
> hurting the baby.
>


There are certainly circumstances where I can see it might be necessary.
Bailey, who has claws, absolutely never misbehaves with them. He
dutifully uses his scratching post and corrugated log. Any scratch I've
ever received has been my fault. We do keep them appropriately trimmed,
since he really can't wear them down in the house very well.

> Now he runs from the baby which is what he should have done in the
> first place.


I'd run, too! <VBG> I've never been very "baby-oriented".
>
> I'd never declaw unless the cat was agressive with his claws. None of
> mine are, I just practice trimming as needed for the ones that are
> just a bit careless with them...
>
>>
>> >
>> > Gotta love central air.

>>
>> Amen! In the central AZ desert, I don't think we'd survive without
>> it!
>>
>> Wayne

>
> Central Texas. :-) Not quite as bad as Arizona, but bad enough during
> the peak of the summer!
>
> K.


Yes, I think your summers are equally difficult with the heat and
dryness. I love the other three seasons here in AZ, however.

Wayne

COTTP 08-12-2003 06:02 AM

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In article >,
says...
>
>
> zxcvbob wrote:
> >
> > Jack Schidt® wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Let's back up a moment and discuss this bachelor thang....
> > >
> > > Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha drunks
> > > are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of gramma's chinelle,
> > > chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a dishwasher. Doesn't hafta
> > > be anything fancy, just something that you can wash real dishes in. I'm
> > > sure we'll get chided for this appliance minded thing but just let that roll
> > > off your back; this is the bachelor hour and we don't need a buncha
> > > handwringing over handwashing. Handwashing dishes sucks, not to mention
> > > dishwashers get dishes cleaner and use less water and electricity.

> >
> > Dishwasher? That's what the *dog* is for...

>
> ROFL!!!
> I was amazed one day when the "princess" at work admitted that she used
> her dogs as the initial cleaning for her roasting pans. :-) I do too. It
> makes final washup much easier if you did not deglaze your pan for some
> reason. <G>
>
> And the dogs enjoy it immensely.


Around here there aren't any dogs, but there are cats. Yes, cat in
plural form.

The measure of whether or not a dish is good is if the cats hound you
while you're cooking it. If there isn't' a cat wrapping itself around
your ankles and meowing loudly you can be relatively sure the dish is
going to suck.

And clean up - lick, lick, lick. Then into 170F hot water to wash.

> > You've got me curious though, how you can say a dishwasher uses less
> > electricity than washing by hand.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Bob

>
> I wonder about that too.
> I have a "dish washer", it's called a sink, sink drainer and a pair of
> hands. :-)


A dishwasher does NOT save energy per se. In it's case there is the
energy necessary to heat the water, and the energy necessary to run the
mechanicals of the machine.

But then washing dishes by hand requires the energy to heat the water to
the temperature you desire as well as work on your part.

The work on your part is nourished by the food you eat. There's energy
necessary on your part (more work!) to prepare and eat the food as well
as digest it. But then take into account all the energy that went into
getting the food to you. (Growing it, packing, shipping, etc.)

So in the long run - maybe the dishwasher is more energy efficient.


PENMART01 08-12-2003 02:22 PM

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Katra-inka writes:

>> She's trailor trash is why.
>>
>> Sheldon
>> ````````````

>
>You mis-spelled it again Shel<STRONG>DONG</STRONG> darling..... ;-D


Can't help it... and it gets your attention... same as my erection.

Why are you licking your lips?



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````````````
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Nonymous 08-12-2003 02:59 PM

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> Paper plates are for peons. They're for situations where a buncha
> drunks are around and you don't want to sweep up fragments of
> gramma's chinelle, chinette, chinous, whatever. A real stud has a
> dishwasher. Doesn't hafta be anything fancy, just something that you
> can wash real dishes in. I'm sure we'll get chided for this
> appliance minded thing but just let that roll off your back; this is
> the bachelor hour and we don't need a buncha handwringing over
> handwashing. Handwashing dishes sucks, not to mention dishwashers
> get dishes cleaner and use less water and electricity.
>
> Food doesn't melt real dishes. Food tastes better on real dishes.
> Food looks better on real dishes. Food can be the gateway to
> romance, if you're so inclined. Nothing sez 'one night stand' like
> beef-a-roni on a paper plate accompanied by plastic fork and Dale
> Earnhart plastic tumbler. Come to think of it, the aforementioned
> place setting really sez "wife beater". Trust me, you'll attract and
> hang on to better lovuhs if ya take that one small step. I'm not
> talking the ones who wake up, grab the money off the nightstand and
> run away, either.


This sounds like something the "Playboy Advisor" wrote. ;)



Mike Marshall 08-12-2003 05:50 PM

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"Sam D." > writes:
>I think you just got some really poor quality foam plates.


I never considered the melt, but the little plastic steak knives
cut right through the foam plates!

-Mike


Kate Connally 08-12-2003 06:03 PM

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wrote:
>
> Being a bachelor, I use a lot of paper plates. Recently they had foam
> plates on sale, so I thought I'd give them a try. Well, they are
> horrible. Yesterday I fried some eggs, put them on the plate and they
> melted right thru. Today I made pancakes, put them on the foam plate
> and they melted thru, pouring syrup all down my clothing. Tomorrow I
> will return these plates to the store. Not only are they useless for
> hot foods, but I tend to wonder what harm that melted foam does when I
> eat it. I will never buy these again.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem, or are these just lousy plates?


Did you get an "off" brand at the dollar store or something?
I've used foam plates many times with various hot foods and
they have never melted on me. Of course if you put something
with oil or syrup on them and then try to heat the whole thing
in the microwave the oil or syrup will melt the foam. That happens
to me all the time when I have restaurant leftovers and just throw
the whole foam box in the microwave to reheat. Usually it doesn't
go all the way through anyway to it's not a big deal to me.

Generally, though I don't like to by foam plates because
they are not recyclable and are made from non-renewable
resources. I only use paper plates once in a great while
for special circumstances (such as a party where I don't
have enough regular plates or don't want to have to wash
a lot of dishes) as they also are not recyclable but at
least are made from renewable resources. And also paper
plates - except for the sturdier, more expensive brands,
are too flimsy for most food.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?


BOB 08-12-2003 07:20 PM

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Mike Marshall typed:
> "Sam D." > writes:
>> I think you just got some really poor quality foam plates.

>
> I never considered the melt, but the little plastic steak knives
> cut right through the foam plates!
>
> -Mike


You must be using the *good* plastic knives if the foam doesn't break them.
(<'

BOB



Jeff Bienstadt 08-12-2003 07:23 PM

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Jack Schidt® wrote:

>
> ...
>
> Don't forgetted the used Hellman's jar beer and wine glasses.
>
> Jack Rube


What, no used jelly jars with Flintstones characters on them?

---jkb

--
"There's some milk in the fridge that's about to go bad....
And there it goes!"
-- Bobby Hill


Geoff Miller 08-12-2003 10:05 PM

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Kate Connally > writes:

> Generally, though I don't like to by foam plates because
> they are not recyclable and are made from non-renewable
> resources.



What are you, some sort of hippie? Do you wear Brikenstocks
and a smock made from hemp fiber?



Geoff

--
My Child Was Fascist Of the Month
At Rudolf Hess Elementary School


Nancy Young 08-12-2003 10:09 PM

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Geoff Miller wrote:
>
> Kate Connally > writes:
>
> > Generally, though I don't like to by foam plates because
> > they are not recyclable and are made from non-renewable
> > resources.

>
> What are you, some sort of hippie? Do you wear Brikenstocks
> and a smock made from hemp fiber?


I'm not a hippie and I couldn't agree with her more.

nancy

Katra 09-12-2003 07:21 AM

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PENMART01 wrote:
>
> Katra-inka writes:
>
> >> She's trailor trash is why.
> >>
> >> Sheldon
> >> ````````````

> >
> >You mis-spelled it again Shel<LONG>DONG</LONG> darling..... ;-D

>
> Can't help it... and it gets your attention... same as my erection.
>
> Why are you licking your lips?
>
> ````````````


Ooooh Shel' honey, you are SUCH a sweet talker,
but you forgot the obligatory food reference in your post. ;-)

<shiver>

K.

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