Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
Ground...
It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
store this? Thanks Liz

"Liz" > wrote in message
om...
> Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
> Ground...
> It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
> store this? Thanks Liz


The best way to store coffee is in an airtight container. Don't put it in
the fridge or freezer because the essential oils the give coffee it's flavor
and aroma will be destroyed. The fridge/freezer will dry it out, think of
freezer burn. Just a nice airtight container on your kitchen counter of in
your pantry is all you need.

Also, for best flavor (I know this was a gift) get whole bean and grind it
as you need. Much better flavor!

Enjoy.

"Davlo" > wrote in message news:G_4vb.43$Ac3.39@lakeread01...
>
> "Liz" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
> > Ground...
> > It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
> > store this? Thanks Liz
>
>
> The best way to store coffee is in an airtight container. Don't put it in
> the fridge or freezer because the essential oils the give coffee it's
flavor
> and aroma will be destroyed.

This is false information - refrigeration or freezing does not harm coffee.
In fact is is superior to room temperature storage because the low
temperature slows the process of deterioration. For short periods - a couple
opf weeks perhaps - it probably does not make any significant difference but
for longer term storage it most definitely does. Of course the coffee has to
be packaged correctly, and airtight is the way to go.


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Remove the crap from my email address before using.

> This is false information - refrigeration or freezing does not harm coffee.
> In fact is is superior to room temperature storage because the low
> temperature slows the process of deterioration. For short periods - a couple
> opf weeks perhaps - it probably does not make any significant difference but
> for longer term storage it most definitely does. Of course the coffee has to
> be packaged correctly, and airtight is the way to go.

And what is your source? I have discussed this subject with Bill Boyer,
whose company has made the best coffee in Colorado for at least the last 30
years, and he told do not put in in the refrigerator and definitely not to
freeze it. I keep mine in my pantry, which runs about 60 degrees in winter
and 65 in summer. I keep it (whole bean) in airtight containers and have
kept it for as much as 60 days with no noticeable deterioration. I use
exclusively French Roast.
--
JakeInHartsel

In article >, Glenn Jacobs
> writes:

>> This is false information - refrigeration or freezing does not harm coffee.
>> In fact is is superior to room temperature storage because the low
>> temperature slows the process of deterioration. For short periods - a
>couple
>> opf weeks perhaps - it probably does not make any significant difference
>but
>> for longer term storage it most definitely does. Of course the coffee has
>to
>> be packaged correctly, and airtight is the way to go.
>
>And what is your source? I have discussed this subject with Bill Boyer,
>whose company has made the best coffee in Colorado for at least the last 30
>years, and he told do not put in in the refrigerator and definitely not to
>freeze it. I keep mine in my pantry, which runs about 60 degrees in winter
>and 65 in summer. I keep it (whole bean) in airtight containers and have
>kept it for as much as 60 days with no noticeable deterioration. I use
>exclusively French Roast.

The only negative effect of cold on coffee is the ensuing condensation upon
exposure to room temperature

Coffee is harmed most by exposure to air, actually oxygen and moisture. The
best way to maintain coffee freshness (in fact the ONLY way) is to use nitrogen
packed... save that coffee should not be stored... simply use it within a week
of roasting.


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On 20 Nov 2003 23:01:38 GMT, PENMART01 wrote:

> The only negative effect of cold on coffee is the ensuing condensation upon
> exposure to room temperature
>
> Coffee is harmed most by exposure to air, actually oxygen and moisture. The
> best way to maintain coffee freshness (in fact the ONLY way) is to use nitrogen
> packed... save that coffee should not be stored... simply use it within a week
> of roasting.

Thanks Sheldon, but I have a 120 mile drive (one way) to get coffee, so I
must store it. I also live in a place where the humidity generally runs
below 15%. Normally I don't store it for more than 30 days. But maybe it
is my taste, but I have never noticed a difference.

--
JakeInHartsel

In rec.food.cooking, PENMART01 > wrote:

> Coffee is harmed most by exposure to air, actually oxygen and moisture. The
> best way to maintain coffee freshness (in fact the ONLY way) is to use nitrogen
> packed... save that coffee should not be stored... simply use it within a week
> of roasting.

right.

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- The Who

In rec.food.cooking, Glenn Jacobs > wrote:

> I keep it (whole bean) in airtight containers and have
> kept it for as much as 60 days with no noticeable deterioration.

If that is true, then it was stale when you put it into storage. Or else
you have a very insensentive sense of taste or smell or both. Or you are
lying. Or something else.

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- The Who

wrote:
>
> In rec.food.cooking, Glenn Jacobs > wrote:
>
> > I keep it (whole bean) in airtight containers and have
> > kept it for as much as 60 days with no noticeable deterioration.
>
> If that is true, then it was stale when you put it into storage. Or else
> you have a very insensentive sense of taste or smell or both. Or you are
> lying. Or something else.
>
> --
> ...I'm an air-conditioned gypsy...
>
> - The Who


I freeze coffee in air tight containers.
This works VERY well for me.

I end up storing it for awhile too, as coffee is only the occasional
treat. I'm a tea drinker.

Twinings Earl Grays, HOT! <G>

K.

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"Davlo" > wrote in message news:G_4vb.43$Ac3.39@lakeread01...
>
> "Liz" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
> > Ground...
> > It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
> > store this? Thanks Liz
>
>
> The best way to store coffee is in an airtight container. Don't put it in
> the fridge or freezer because the essential oils the give coffee it's
flavor
> and aroma will be destroyed. The fridge/freezer will dry it out, think of
> freezer burn. Just a nice airtight container on your kitchen counter of in
> your pantry is all you need.

If its packaged air tight, you won't get 'freezer burn'. Think about the
Tilia packaged goods. That's why no freezer burns: no oxygen.

On 20 Nov 2003 07:11:24 -0800, (Liz) wrote:

>Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
>Ground...
>It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
>store this? Thanks Liz
hmm Freeze it as soon as possible in an airtight container. We have
debated what to do in alt.coffee for years and the consensus is
freezing is best as soon as possible. heat and moisture are the
enemies of coffee. Keep a week's worth in your kitchen in a cool
place. Grind it just before you make it.
aloha Thunder, coffee grower


http://www.smithfarms.com
Farmers & Sellers of 100%
Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff

Liz wrote:
>
> Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
> Ground...
> It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
> store this? Thanks Liz

In the refrigerator.

I store my opened cans in the frig and have noticed no degradation of
flavour.

> wrote in message
...
> Liz wrote:
> >
> > Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
> > Ground...
> > It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
> > store this? Thanks Liz
>
> In the refrigerator.

LIMEYNO1 wrote:
:: I store my opened cans in the frig and have noticed no degradation of
:: flavour.
::

That's because it's already taken place...well before you even opened up
canned coffee.

"LIMEYNO1" > wrote in message
...
> I store my opened cans in the frig and have noticed no degradation of
> flavour.
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Liz wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
> > > Ground...
> > > It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
> > > store this? Thanks Liz
> >
If it is Starbucks there is very lttle possible degradation as it is not
that good to start with.
Ken (proud owner of his own coffee roaster - the only way to go)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:06:13 GMT, Ken Davey wrote:

> If it is Starbucks there is very lttle possible degradation as it is not
> that good to start with.
> Ken (proud owner of his own coffee roaster - the only way to go)

Tell me about your coffee roaster is it propane, I hope? See my post
above, a roaster could save me a lot of driving. I unfortunately don't
have much electric power to spare as mt house is 100% solar for
electricity.

--
JakeInHartsel

Glenn Jacobs wrote:
:: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 02:06:13 GMT, Ken Davey wrote:
::
::: If it is Starbucks there is very lttle possible degradation as it
::: is not that good to start with.
::: Ken (proud owner of his own coffee roaster - the only way to go)
::
:: Tell me about your coffee roaster is it propane, I hope? See my post
:: above, a roaster could save me a lot of driving. I unfortunately
:: don't have much electric power to spare as mt house is 100% solar for
:: electricity.
::
:: --
:: JakeInHartsel

Most home roasters are electric....I have two in fact. After having fesh
roasted coffee available to you...you wont go back......

There is a roasting drum available that is designed to used with a gas
grill. Can roast up to 4 pounds.
http://rnk10.tripod.com/rkroastingdrums/index.html

In rec.food.cooking, LIMEYNO1 > wrote:
> I store my opened cans in the frig and have noticed no degradation of
> flavour.

"opened cans"..."flavour"...?

Too easy. I'll pass.

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- The Who

wrote:
:: In rec.food.cooking, LIMEYNO1 > wrote:
::: I store my opened cans in the frig and have noticed no degradation
::: of flavour.
::
:: "opened cans"..."flavour"...?
::
:: Too easy. I'll pass.
::
It is easy................but, how many of us used to buy canned coffee and
store it in the fridge? Come on raise your hands.....I know I used to. But
then, about two years ago, I wanted something better..and I knew there had
to be a way of getting better coffee at home. I was just looking for better
drip at the time, no espresso. So I did a search on whatever existed before
google(I can't rember the name right now) and I found a few good sites,
namely Mark's coffee geek site. I also found alt.coffee..........And that
was, to quote Martha, " A good thing". I got myself a cheapo burr grinder
and a french press......then came the capresso coffee tec, and a solis
maestro. Then came the hearthware gourmet roaster...coffee at home has never
been so good.

Then I thought about espresso at home...got a gusto on ebay.....worke for me
for about 8 months or so. Then upgrade fever hit....now I have a new
espresso machine...and a Rocky doserless that should be deliverd today or
tomorrow, I hope. Two years ago I would have thought you had to be crazy to
spend $260 on a coffee grinder........

So..it's all about steps.....and lots of research and learning in between
those steps.

I know you hit afb too.........it's the same with that. Opened up a whole
new wold of Q for me......all for the better I might add. My family thinks
I'm nuts when it comes to q and coffee, but I never hear them complain about
the end results.......nor do they complain about the beer or wine I make,
but I'm way off track now.....We all have to start somewhere......

Scott, who's enjoying a cup of freshly roasted mocha-java blend right
now.......

Scott wrote:
:: wrote:
:::: In rec.food.cooking, LIMEYNO1 > wrote:
::::: I store my opened cans in the frig and have noticed no degradation
::::: of flavour.
::::
:::: "opened cans"..."flavour"...?
::::
:::: Too easy. I'll pass.
::::
:: It is easy................but, how many of us used to buy canned
:: coffee and store it in the fridge? Come on raise your hands.....I
:: know I used to.


I should have added that at that time I had aslo tried whole beans from the
grocery store...ground in whirley blade....and brewed in a krups
drip..................still crap.......who knows when those beans may have
actually been roasted?

In rec.food.cooking, Scott > wrote:

> My family thinks
> I'm nuts when it comes to q and coffee, but I never hear them complain about
> the end results...

You too?

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"Liz" > wrote in message
om...
> Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
> Ground...
> It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
> store this? Thanks Liz

Here is what the National coffee association says:

Please look at the last part "STORE LARGER QUANTITIES OF COFFEE"

Dimitri


Storage is integral to maintaining your coffee's freshness and flavor. It is
important to keep it away from excessive air, moisture, heat, and light --
in that order -- in order to preserve its fresh-roast flavor as long as
possible. Coffee beans are decorative and beautiful to look at but you will
compromise the taste of your coffee if you store your beans in ornamental,
glass canisters on your kitchen countertop. Doing so will cause them to
become stale and your coffee will quickly lose its fresh flavor.

STORE YOUR DAILY COFFEE...
It is important not to refrigerate or freeze your daily supply of coffee
because contact with moisture will cause it to deteriorate. Instead, store
coffee in air-tight glass or ceramic containers and keep it in a convenient,
but dark and cool, location. Remember that a cabinet near the oven is often
too warm, as is a cabinet on an outside wall of your kitchen if it receives
heat from a strong afternoon or summer sun.

The commercial coffee containers that you purchased your coffee in are
generally not appropriate for long-term storage. Appropriate coffee storage
canisters with an airtight seal are a worthwhile investment.

It is wise to purchase coffee in amounts proportionate to how quickly it
will used. Coffee begins to lose its freshness almost immediately after
roasting so it is far better to purchase it in smaller quantities. Purchase
freshly roasted coffee frequently and buy only what you will use in the next
1 or 2 weeks. And because exposure to air is your coffee's worst enemy, it
is a good idea to divide your coffee supply into several smaller portions,
keeping the larger, unused portion in an air-tight container.

STORE LARGER QUANTITIES OF COFFEE...
If you've purchased a large quantity of coffee that you will not use
immediately, small portions, wrapped in airtight bags, can be stored for up
to a month in the freezer. Once you have removed them from the freezer,
however, do not return them. Instead, move them to an air-tight container
and store in a cool, dry place.

if you want the 'purists' view, you may want to ask at alt.coffee.

I think I read there that freezing is good as long as you thaw (dont let
condensation form on the beans) the right amount for grinding at a time




"Liz" > wrote in message
om...
> Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
> Ground...
> It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
> store this? Thanks Liz

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:37:05 -0500, "fg" > wrote:

>if you want the 'purists' view, you may want to ask at alt.coffee.
>
>I think I read there that freezing is good as long as you thaw (dont
let
>condensation form on the beans) the right amount for grinding at a
time
>
>
>
>
>"Liz" > wrote in message
. com...
>> Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
>> Ground...
>> It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
>> store this? Thanks Liz
>
Yes, the general consensus in alt.coffee with some pure scientific
studies done and some not so scientific, is that freezing is best.

It is an old wives' tale that coffee should be left out in the
kitchen. It just is not right. You lose the nuances and the oils
start to become unstable and the good money you paid for those nice
beans is wasted.

aloha Thunder, the coffee farmer's dog
http://www.smithfarms.com
Farmers & Sellers of 100%
Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:41:30 GMT, Smithfarms Pure Kona
> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:37:05 -0500, "fg" > wrote:
>
>>if you want the 'purists' view, you may want to ask at alt.coffee.
>>
>>I think I read there that freezing is good as long as you thaw (dont
>let
>>condensation form on the beans) the right amount for grinding at a
>time
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Liz" > wrote in message
.com...
>>> Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
>>> Ground...
>>> It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
>>> store this? Thanks Liz
>>
>Yes, the general consensus in alt.coffee with some pure scientific
>studies done and some not so scientific, is that freezing is best.
>
>It is an old wives' tale that coffee should be left out in the
>kitchen. It just is not right. You lose the nuances and the oils
>start to become unstable and the good money you paid for those nice
>beans is wasted.

Sure works that way with every other food that I can think of with a
fat (oil) content. The lower the temperature, the less oxygen, the
less light and moisture, the better it keeps. Can't see why it
wouldn't work that way with coffee. I keep mine in the freezer.

......Alan.

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lack of it is killing mankind.

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:08:20 GMT, (A.T.
Hagan) wrote:
snipped.........
>>Yes, the general consensus in alt.coffee with some pure scientific
>>studies done and some not so scientific, is that freezing is best.
>>
>>It is an old wives' tale that coffee should be left out in the
>>kitchen. It just is not right. You lose the nuances and the oils
>>start to become unstable and the good money you paid for those nice
>>beans is wasted.
>
>Sure works that way with every other food that I can think of with a
>fat (oil) content. The lower the temperature, the less oxygen, the
>less light and moisture, the better it keeps. Can't see why it
>wouldn't work that way with coffee. I keep mine in the freezer.
>
>.....Alan.

Logic is important, I agree! I do not know how that o.wives tale
began or became so entrenched in truth, because even bread works the
same way. I once tried to tell a hard-headed customer the same thing,
but he felt he knew more because he was an educator

Go figure how coffee, a plant derivative, became something entirely
different. You and I agree totally!

aloha from Thunder
http://www.smithfarms.com
Farmers & Sellers of 100%
Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff

Storing coffee:

<http://homepage.mac.com/scott_r/#howtostore>

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Liz wrote:
:: Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
:: Ground...
:: It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
:: store this? Thanks Liz

I would consider giving some of it away. Ground coffee goes stale in days.
I'm not sure if freezing would help. Whole beans would be another matter.

ok I'll take some
:-)


"Scott" > wrote in message
t...
> Liz wrote:
> :: Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
> :: Ground...
> :: It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
> :: store this? Thanks Liz
>
> I would consider giving some of it away. Ground coffee goes stale in days.
> I'm not sure if freezing would help. Whole beans would be another matter.
>
>

fg wrote:
:: ok I'll take some
:: :-)
::
::
Were it mine to give.....I'd glady give it all to you sir.........

In rec.food.cooking, Scott > wrote:

> I would consider giving some of it away. Ground coffee goes stale in days.

Hours. But keep in mind that *$ coffee is stale when ground, so I can't
see that it makes a whole lot of difference no matter what.


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- The Who

wrote:
:: In rec.food.cooking, Scott > wrote:
::
::: I would consider giving some of it away. Ground coffee goes stale
::: in days.
::
:: Hours. But keep in mind that *$ coffee is stale when ground, so I
:: can't see that it makes a whole lot of difference no matter what.
::


Correct on the *$ being stale...not to mention usally over roasted.

I find it hard to convince people that coffee does get stale whithin hours
after grinding...their eyes roll around..."come on....no way"

So I usally tell em days and try to get them to try some fresh roasted whole
beans and a grinder at home................

In rec.food.cooking, Scott > wrote:

> So I usally tell em days and try to get them to try some fresh roasted whole
> beans and a grinder at home................

Unlike many coffee snobs, I am not opposed to people getting a whirly
blade grinder as a first step. I think that it makes a huge difference
compared to pre-fround coffee.

--
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- The Who

On 20 Nov 2003 07:11:24 -0800, (Liz) wrote:

>Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
>Ground...
>It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
>store this? Thanks Liz


Even the mavens on alt. coffee cannot agree on this issue. Some
freeze, and some refuse to.

You can try googling on "freezing" and "storage" within that group &
get quite an earful.

At this point, with it already ground, try packing it in 1/2 lb
baggies & then place the baggies into freezer bags. Take out only what
you will use within a few days & don't re-freeze what you take out.
Though there will be deterioration in taste, you, yourself may not
notice it. Not everyone is taste sensitive to it.. Some people just
like a plain cup of coffee and don;t fret & fuss over it much. (I do,
myself, but TWIAVBP)

(Liz) wrote:
>
>>Someone very kindly gave us an early XMas gift of 8# of Starbuck's.
>>Ground...
>>It will take us a few months to use it all. What is the bet way to
>>store this?

It's silly enough to gift ground coffee, but 8lbs is beyond imbecilic.
Hopefully each pound is individually vacuum packed, if not here's your excuse
to get one of those tilia thingies. I'd store it in the fridge... perhaps some
as a gift to some other poor soul.


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