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He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something about his
ever expanding girth.

I just watched him with Gwyneth Paltrow(?) roaming around Spain.



Queenslands richest man is in the same boat!!


http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...28-462,00.html

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PeterL2 wrote:
> He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something
> about his ever expanding girth.
>
> I just watched him with Gwyneth Paltrow(?) roaming around Spain.


Well, let's start a betting pool on his date of death.

I'll take December 12, 2035
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you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan


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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:09:19 GMT, PeterL2 >
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>He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something about his
>ever expanding girth.


He is doing something about it. I heard on Twitter last night, that he
has been hitting the gym, and he is now getting smaller. This was
from a reliable source who was at some food event with him.

Christine
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"Dave Bugg" > wrote:

> PeterL2 wrote:
> > He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something
> > about his ever expanding girth.
> >
> > I just watched him with Gwyneth Paltrow(?) roaming around Spain.

>
> Well, let's start a betting pool on his date of death.
>
> I'll take December 12, 2035


He may be large, but he sure did move pretty fast on ICA. There's a
difference between "girth" and "fat". I think it's the excess fat that
gets you.

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Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:09:19 GMT, PeterL2 >
> wrote:
>
>> He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something
>> about his ever expanding girth.

>
> He is doing something about it. I heard on Twitter last night, that he
> has been hitting the gym, and he is now getting smaller. This was
> from a reliable source who was at some food event with him.


Now if he would just give up tobacco....

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Dan Abel > wrote in news:dabel-088D37.12291611102009@c-61-
68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:

> In article >,
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
>
>> PeterL2 wrote:
>> > He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something
>> > about his ever expanding girth.
>> >
>> > I just watched him with Gwyneth Paltrow(?) roaming around Spain.

>>
>> Well, let's start a betting pool on his date of death.
>>
>> I'll take December 12, 2035

>
> He may be large, but he sure did move pretty fast on ICA. There's a
> difference between "girth" and "fat". I think it's the excess fat that
> gets you.
>



He's just fat. His girth is enormous!!

Like Henry the VIII fat.

Here, get some freebie prizes off him before he croaks!! ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/ykbx7u3

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"Dave Bugg" > wrote in
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> Christine Dabney wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:09:19 GMT, PeterL2 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something
>>> about his ever expanding girth.

>>
>> He is doing something about it. I heard on Twitter last night, that he
>> has been hitting the gym, and he is now getting smaller. This was
>> from a reliable source who was at some food event with him.

>
> Now if he would just give up tobacco....
>



I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are so
screwed up by smoking??

And I've seen *plenty* of chefs/cooks go outside for a smoke then go
straight back in and start messing around with food, without washing their
hands.


I don't eat at restaurants where any of the cooking staff smoke.

It limits the number of places I can go to, but it's worth it in the end.


I no longer eat at my favourite pizza place (Panchos... at Bulimba)
because they hired a couple of cooks who smoke. Their loss.


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"Swertz" > wrote in message ...
| On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:00 GMT, PeterL wrote:
|
| > I don't eat at restaurants where any of the cooking staff smoke.
|
| When you go to a restaurant, do you head straight for the kitchen
| and start taking hair samples?
|
| > I no longer eat at my favourite pizza place (Panchos... at Bulimba)
| > because they hired a couple of cooks who smoke. Their loss.
|
| You oughta be euthanized and put out of everyone's misery.
|
| -sw

Let's see. Julia Child smoked most of her life, Petey Lucas doesn't
smoke and disses chefs who do. Hmmmmm. Not too tough here.

pavane


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> I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
> How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are so
> screwed up by smoking??


You're weird. I smoked until a bit over 1 1/2 years ago. Loads of Italian
chefs smoke. We all cook food people keep coming back for. As a
supertaster my life was easier when I smoked, although the difference to now
is not that much.

Now if I slug down a couple of whiskies before cooking, then you can forget
about it. I not only can't taste it very well, but I can't remember what it
was supposed to taste like.


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>
> "PeterL" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
>> How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are
>> so screwed up by smoking??

>
> You're weird.




According to you.



> I smoked until a bit over 1 1/2 years ago.




Ahhhhhh, a reformed addict. I see why you're so defensive now.



> Loads of
> Italian chefs smoke.




One good reason never to visit Italy.



> We all cook food people keep coming back for.




Smokers....... or non smokers????

I think you'll find that it's only your fellow addicts that will keep
coming back.



> As
> a supertaster




A "supertaster"??? Please do tell.




> my life was easier when I smoked, although the difference
> to now is not that much.




Well, it's a well known fact that for ever cancer stick you so slavenly
puffed on for the past (God knows) how many years, each one took 17 mins
of your life away.


Do a bit of quiet calculation.


"As for reversing the damage, it has been estimated that 15 years after
quitting smoking for good, your risk for cancers and cardiovascular
diseases drop to that of someone who has never smoked."


So you stopped 1&1/2 years ago???


So in 2022&1/2, you'll be back on a par with me where I am now, as I have
never smoked in my life.


How old are you now??

Will you still be around in 2022??

If not, you might as well keep sucking on the cancer sticks.



>
> Now if I slug down a couple of whiskies before cooking, then you can
> forget about it.




So you're a cheap drunk??



> I not only can't taste it very well, but I can't
> remember what it was supposed to taste like.
>



It seems your tastebuds have been well and truly f***ed up by smoking.


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PeterL > wrote:

> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in


> > Now if he would just give up tobacco....
> >

>
>
> I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
> How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are so
> screwed up by smoking??


Good point, but a lot of them do.

> And I've seen *plenty* of chefs/cooks go outside for a smoke then go
> straight back in and start messing around with food, without washing their
> hands.
>
>
> I don't eat at restaurants where any of the cooking staff smoke.
>
> It limits the number of places I can go to, but it's worth it in the end.


I would think so. Maybe that explains why you do so much cooking
yourself? If the food tastes of tobacco smoke, I'm not going back, but
most chefs I know are smart enough to go elsewhere (even if it's just
the back room) to smoke.

Let me guess, you used to smoke? It's the ex-smokers, in my experience,
who are most opposed to smoking.

> I no longer eat at my favourite pizza place (Panchos... at Bulimba)
> because they hired a couple of cooks who smoke. Their loss.


In a couple of senses. They don't call them coffin nails without a
reason. They are losing part of their life.

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> "Giusi" > wrote in


OK, I used to smoke and I can tell you it did not screw up my tastebuds. I
could eat a dish somewhere and copy it back home. Not only in my judgment.

You never smoked. Good for you. But you have no idea whether it screws up
tastebuds or not. You only read that it did.

Believe me, my aim in life is not to equal you.


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On Oct 12, 12:11*pm, "Giusi" > wrote:
> OK, I used to smoke and I can tell you it did not screw up my tastebuds. *I
> could eat a dish somewhere and copy it back home. *Not only in my judgment.
>
> You never smoked. *Good for you. *But you have no idea whether it screws up
> tastebuds or not. *You only read that it did.
>
> Believe me, my aim in life is not to equal you.


Well said!
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On Oct 12, 8:18*am, "pavane" > wrote:
> "Swertz" > wrote in ...
>
> | On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:00 GMT, PeterL wrote:
> |
> | > I don't eat at restaurants where any of the cooking staff smoke.
> |
> | When you go to a restaurant, do you head straight for the kitchen
> | and start taking hair samples?
> |
> | > I no longer eat at my favourite pizza place (Panchos... at Bulimba)
> | > because they hired a couple of cooks who smoke. Their loss.
> |
> | You oughta be euthanized and put out of everyone's misery.
> |
> | -sw
>
> Let's see. *Julia Child smoked most of her life, Petey Lucas doesn't
> smoke and disses chefs who do. * Hmmmmm. *Not too tough here.


He's too busy picking up the empty wine bottles littering his place to
concern himself with common sense.
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On Oct 11, 10:09*am, PeterL2 > wrote:
> He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something about his
> ever expanding girth.
>
> I just watched him with Gwyneth Paltrow(?) roaming around Spain.
>
> Queenslands richest man is in the same boat!!
>
> http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...28-462,00.html


That Spanish tour was fun to watch. I'm surprised at all the stuff
Gwyneth tried, given her really weird ideas on health.

N.


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>
> I no longer eat at my favourite pizza place (Panchos... at Bulimba)
> because they hired a couple of cooks who smoke. Their loss.
>
> --
> Peter Lucas * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Brisbane * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Australia * * *



How can you possibly know who is smoking among the restaurant kitchen
staff? All you know for sure is that the ones you see outside are the
ones who smoke. When I smoked, I could go an entire 10 hour day
without....

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>
> I think you'll find that it's only your fellow addicts that will keep
> coming back.
>
> Well, it's a well known fact that for ever cancer stick you so slavenly
> puffed on for the past (God knows) how many years, each one took 17 mins
> of your life away.
>
>
>
> It seems your tastebuds have been well and truly f***ed up by smoking.
>
> --
> Peter Lucas * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Brisbane * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Australia * * *
>


I have to say, this is really an ugly side of your personality, PL - I
never thought you were one of those, "Because we know what's best for
you" people. I was wrong.

I hope you find a utopia where you can happily approve of everyone's
habits.

N.
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Damn Abel wrote:
>> PeterL wrote:
>>> "Dave Bugg" wrote:

>>
>>>> Now if he would just give up tobacco....
>>>
>>> I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
>>> How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are so
>>> screwed up by smoking??


It simply presents more of a challenge, which is why those cooks who
smoke typically concoct the most interesting and best tasting
dishes... like how animals who lose one sense develop more sensitivity
in their others... one of my cats is blind but from the way he gets
about and can leap up on furniture with such grace and precision you'd
never know it, and he's the first one to arrive to eat because his
sense of hearing and smell is more acute than the others. Plenty of
great cooks are heavy boozers, one would think all their sensory
perceptions are numbed yet they are the ones who have the best natural
cooking talent. I'd much rather a cook who smokes, drinks, and is
generally perverted prepare my dinner than some goody two shoes
saintly one with TIAD. LOL

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"Giusi" > wrote in
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>
> "PeterL" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> "Giusi" > wrote in

>
> OK, I used to smoke and I can tell you it did not screw up my tastebuds.




Of course.



> I could eat a dish somewhere and copy it back home. Not only in my
> judgment.



Of course. You seem to get quite defensive of your (past) habit.


>
> You never smoked. Good for you.




Thank you.


> But you have no idea whether it screws
> up tastebuds or not. You only read that it did.




Ummm, no. I have it on good authority from quite a few smokers.


>
> Believe me, my aim in life is not to equal you.
>




Believe me, you never will.



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Nancy2 > wrote in news:85a12cfe-9a17-4e61-9395-
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>>
>> I think you'll find that it's only your fellow addicts that will keep
>> coming back.
>>
>> Well, it's a well known fact that for ever cancer stick you so slavenly
>> puffed on for the past (God knows) how many years, each one took 17 mins
>> of your life away.
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems your tastebuds have been well and truly f***ed up by smoking.
>>


>
> I have to say, this is really an ugly side of your personality, PL - I
> never thought you were one of those, "Because we know what's best for
> you" people. I was wrong.



In your opinion.


I watched my much loved sister slowly kill herself, even with the advice of
her specialist and the advice from all the people around her that loved her
telling her that her smoking would kill her. But she couldn't kick the filthy
habit, and she died as a result.

She was a schoolgirl State & National long distance (running) champion......
till she started smoking because of peer pressure. In her late 20's she
developed severe asthma because of smoking.

She was in her mid 30's and a mother to two young boys when she died.

All because of smoking.

So if that makes me one of those (apparently much hated) "because we know
what's best for you" people, then so be it.


>
> I hope you find a utopia where you can happily approve of everyone's
> habits.



This "utopia" you speak of would be a place where no-one had a habit.


But all that aside, am I not *allowed* to have an opinion on smoking and
smokers??

Do I have to 'toe the party line' just because I'll upset the delicate
sensibilities of all you smokers and reformed smokers??

Is it because I am pointing out the truth that it is indeed a filty
disgusting *habit* that not many can kick because they are too weak??


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Dan Abel > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> PeterL > wrote:
>
>> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in

>
>> > Now if he would just give up tobacco....
>> >

>>
>>
>> I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
>> How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are
>> so screwed up by smoking??

>
> Good point, but a lot of them do.
>
>> And I've seen *plenty* of chefs/cooks go outside for a smoke then go
>> straight back in and start messing around with food, without washing
>> their hands.
>>
>>
>> I don't eat at restaurants where any of the cooking staff smoke.
>>
>> It limits the number of places I can go to, but it's worth it in the
>> end.

>
> I would think so. Maybe that explains why you do so much cooking
> yourself?



LOL!! Most likely :-)

I do have a couple of places left in Brisbane that I can go to.


> If the food tastes of tobacco smoke, I'm not going back, but
> most chefs I know are smart enough to go elsewhere (even if it's just
> the back room) to smoke.



It's not so much the food tasting of smoke, it's the fact that the dirty
so'n'sos don't wash their hands.

It's bad enough being in the same room as someone who has just had a smoke
and come back inside, let alone have them touching my food.


>
> Let me guess, you used to smoke?



Nope. I'm 53yo and a cigarette has never touched my lips. I was actually
the 'odd man out' at High School (back in 69/70) because I was the only
kid at school that didn't, and wouldn't, smoke. It was all the craze back
then.

I saw so many of my friends start it, just to be cool, and get hooked on
it. I saw it was a filthy habit then, and decided if that's what you had
to do to be 'cool' I was going to be 'un-cool'.


> It's the ex-smokers, in my experience,
> who are most opposed to smoking.



Yeah, I've seen it also. My SO is now a non-smoker. She used to when we
first met, till I gave her a choice. She could continue with her 'habit'
(even at only 4-5 a day, she still "needed" them), but she would be doing
it without me around.

It took her a couple of go's to finally kick it, but she's been smoke free
for nigh on 15&1/2 years........ and we'll have been together for 16 years
next month :-)


>
>> I no longer eat at my favourite pizza place (Panchos... at Bulimba)
>> because they hired a couple of cooks who smoke. Their loss.

>
> In a couple of senses. They don't call them coffin nails without a
> reason. They are losing part of their life.
>



Yep, too true.

It's quite pathetic to see these groups of people huddled outside of
office buildings in the city nowadays. And it's an assault on non-smokers
senses to have to walk through a cloud of bloody cigarette smoke to get
inside one of those buildings.

But, try telling some 2 pack a day 'junkie' that the second hand smoke
they give out is worse than the shit they suck in, and that's what the
rest of us have to deal with, and see what "sympathy" you get.

It's now against the law for anyone to smoke in a car that is carrying
kids, and I'm hoping that they will make it illegal to smoke in any car,
*period*!!

If I use a mobile phone while I'm driving I can cop a rather large fine
and loss of demerit points off my licence.

It is blatantly obvious that anyone who smokes while they are driving is
'impaired' to a higher degree that if they were to just be using a mobile
phone.

That, and the fact that I have yet to see a smoker driver use the ashtray
in their car. Why dirty their ashtray and stink up their car when they can
flick their butts out the window and litter the country, and in some
cases, start a bush fire.

But anyway........

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Nancy2 > wrote in news:00089bae-7fea-4299-869c-
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> On Oct 11, 10:09*am, PeterL2 > wrote:
>> He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something about

hi
> s
>> ever expanding girth.
>>
>> I just watched him with Gwyneth Paltrow(?) roaming around Spain.
>>
>> Queenslands richest man is in the same boat!!
>>
>>
http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...28-462,00.html
>
> That Spanish tour was fun to watch.



We're just getting the last of the episodes here, I think. I love the
history of the places they go to.


> I'm surprised at all the stuff
> Gwyneth tried, given her really weird ideas on health.
>



LOL!! In the last ep we saw, she was given something by Batali, and as she
was stuffing it in her mouth, she asked if it was vegeterian...... he
mumbled something about "sorta kinda" and she looked aghast.... but then
kept on eating :-)


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While smoking as a chef, I didn't need to smell/taste what I was cooking. It
was all purely by procedure followed by appearance and timing.

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On Oct 11, 10:09*am, PeterL2 > wrote:
> He's going to die very shortly......... unless he does something about his
> ever expanding girth.


You just saw that? I watched it a year ago.....what the hell is the
matter with you?

Besides that, what makes you think that Mario is dying? He seems to
have a zest for life, a zest that you cannot begin to fathom, you in
your frightened state. Oh my God! Someone is smoking a cigarette!
Oh my God!

Etc., etc.

Get over it. You dumb ****ing wank.


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PeterL > wrote:

> Dan Abel > wrote in
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> > Let me guess, you used to smoke?

>
>
> Nope. I'm 53yo and a cigarette has never touched my lips. I was actually
> the 'odd man out' at High School (back in 69/70) because I was the only
> kid at school that didn't, and wouldn't, smoke. It was all the craze back
> then.
>
> I saw so many of my friends start it, just to be cool, and get hooked on
> it. I saw it was a filthy habit then, and decided if that's what you had
> to do to be 'cool' I was going to be 'un-cool'.


Good for you, but you don't seem to be one who does something because
"everybody else does it".

> > It's the ex-smokers, in my experience,
> > who are most opposed to smoking.

>
> Yeah, I've seen it also. My SO is now a non-smoker. She used to when we
> first met, till I gave her a choice. She could continue with her 'habit'
> (even at only 4-5 a day, she still "needed" them), but she would be doing
> it without me around.
>
> It took her a couple of go's to finally kick it, but she's been smoke free
> for nigh on 15&1/2 years........ and we'll have been together for 16 years
> next month :-)


Good for her, too. My parents had an excuse. Nobody was willing to
come right out and say that smoking was bad for your health. Once the
Surgeon General of the US came out against smoking, both my parents quit.


> It's quite pathetic to see these groups of people huddled outside of
> office buildings in the city nowadays. And it's an assault on non-smokers
> senses to have to walk through a cloud of bloody cigarette smoke to get
> inside one of those buildings.


Where I used to work, some of the smokers just didn't get the message.
The rules just got stricter and stricter. When I left, the last rule
was that you could not smoke within 20 feet of any building or structure.

> But, try telling some 2 pack a day 'junkie' that the second hand smoke
> they give out is worse than the shit they suck in, and that's what the
> rest of us have to deal with, and see what "sympathy" you get.


I don't believe that second hand smoke is as bad as smoking itself, but
it's been proven to my satisfaction that it's a health hazard. When I'm
outside walking, I'll cross the street to avoid a smoker. If I can't,
then I just hold my breath when I walk by.

> It's now against the law for anyone to smoke in a car that is carrying
> kids, and I'm hoping that they will make it illegal to smoke in any car,
> *period*!!


We're getting larger and larger smoke free areas. All public school
property is now smoke free in my state. It may be your car, but if
you're a teacher taking a smoke break, you can't do it in the school
parking lot. My HMO (health plan) is smoke free on their campuses. No
smoking anywhere. Not the parking lots, the grass or any benches.
Don't even ask about the buildings.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

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>> I'm surprised at all the stuff
>> Gwyneth tried, given her really weird ideas on health.

>
>LOL!! In the last ep we saw, she was given something by Batali, and as she
>was stuffing it in her mouth, she asked if it was vegeterian...... he
>mumbled something about "sorta kinda" and she looked aghast.... but then
>kept on eating :-)


You know Spain on the Road Again is what made me a Gwyneth fan. After
seeing her there I viewed Shakespeare in Love and that sealed it.

Batali's beam, hey never trust a skinny chef? :-)

A couple of years ago I saw Jasper White (Boston chef - Jaspers from
~25 years ago and now Summer Shack) MCing an oyster shucking contest
and man he was slim/normal compared to how I remembered him from some
PBS cooking shows +10 years earlier and some googled pics. So maybe
there is hope for Mario. What did he look like 20 years ago?


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>
> Is it because I am pointing out the truth that it is indeed a filty
> disgusting *habit* that not many can kick because they are too weak??
>
> --


No, it's your officious, superior attitude that flicked me off. There
are ways to disapprove, and other ways to disapprove. Just because
you have a family member who died because they smoked doesn't give you
the podium to preach from, IMO.

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On 2009-10-13, Ravenlynne > wrote:

> From what Anthony Bourdain says, a LOT of chefs smoke.


It's true. And very seldom just tobacco. Most places ban smoking in
the kitchen, but every break or lull in the action and the staff
hotfoots it out the back door to light up.

The fact is, cooking is quite a boring occupation. How many times can
you make the same dish, over and over and over, before you start
losing your mind? Cooking at home is different. You can change the
menu anytime. Not so at a restaurant, which may keep the same menu
for years. Drinking is also a major problem. This is common in any
occupation where unending repetition wearies and deadens the soul.
It's one of the reasons I never persued a cooking career or a music
career or a....

I've changed a dozen careers for the same reason. Some people are
perfectly content with lifelong sameness. More power to them, I say.
I actually envy them. For most people, job boredom can be deadly.
Alcohol, smoking, drugs, etc. Bad mojo.

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> I watched my much loved sister slowly kill herself, even with the advice
> of her specialist and the advice from all the people around her that loved
> her telling her that her smoking would kill her. But she couldn't kick the
> filthy habit, and she died as a result.


Smoking isn't the *only* way to slowly kill yourself. Why not cast about to
see if you can find one more to your liking?

Bob




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> I just found a previously unpublished picture of Peter:
>
> http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/bachelorette..._2075_56927086


That's silly. Peter was in the ARMY!

http://i37.tinypic.com/20idm5i.jpg

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:52:27 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2009-10-13, Ravenlynne > wrote:
>
>> From what Anthony Bourdain says, a LOT of chefs smoke.

>
>It's true. And very seldom just tobacco. Most places ban smoking in
>the kitchen, but every break or lull in the action and the staff
>hotfoots it out the back door to light up.


Even if one doesn't smoke kitchen worker is one of the occupations
with a high incidense of respiratory disease.

http://apha.confex.com/apha/137am/we...per207473.html

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> Even if one doesn't smoke kitchen worker is one of the occupations
> with a high incidense of respiratory disease.
>
> http://apha.confex.com/apha/137am/we...per207473.html


I don't doubt it. I've inspected or cleaned more than a few grease
traps.

nb
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PeterL wrote:
>
> Nope. I'm 53yo and a cigarette has never touched my lips. I was actually
> the 'odd man out' at High School (back in 69/70) because I was the only
> kid at school that didn't, and wouldn't, smoke. It was all the craze back
> then.


Before college I had a headache literally every day of my life. Around
age 8 I stopped complaining because nothing helped. Then I got to
college where almost no one smoked and not one person in that
dorm building smoked. Within two weeks even though I'd moved from
a low smog region to a high smog region the headaches stopped. The
difference - No more exposure to smokers.

> It's now against the law for anyone to smoke in a car that is carrying
> kids, and I'm hoping that they will make it illegal to smoke in any car,
> *period*!!


Experience from the US - We tried banning alcohol and the result was the
biggest crime wave in the history of civilization. But once someone
founded the social pressure group "Mothers Against Drunk Driving" the
rate of alcohol use started dropping steadily. Social pressure across
economic levels works better than legal pressure.

In the US this lesson is being applied against smokers and the rate of
smoking has been dropping for years. Slow but sure.

> That, and the fact that I have yet to see a smoker driver use the ashtray
> in their car.


More extreme than real, but very many smokers toss ashes and butts
out the window.

> Why dirty their ashtray and stink up their car when they can
> flick their butts out the window and litter the country, and in some
> cases, start a bush fire.


I have seen smokers toss butts out of a car window then immediately
deny they did it. I honestly believe they have no conscious recollection
of having done it. Very wierd what addictions do to the mind.
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On Oct 12, 11:54*am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "PeterL" *ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> > I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
> > How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are so
> > screwed up by smoking??

>
> You're weird. *I smoked until a bit over 1 1/2 years ago. *Loads of Italian
> chefs smoke. *We all cook food people keep coming back for. *As a
> supertaster my life was easier when I smoked, although the difference to now
> is not that much.
>
> Now if I slug down a couple of whiskies before cooking, then you can forget
> about it. *I not only can't taste it very well, but I can't remember what it
> was supposed to taste like.


People 'learn' how to cook. Smokers can cook just as well as nons.
What's the difference if you make stroganoff with with 5 pounds of
shrooms if you don't smoke and making stroganoff with 5 pounds of
shrooms if you do smoke? Nada. Same with hollandaise. You use a
certain proportion of egg yolks and butter if you do smoke, and the
same proportion of egg yolks and butter if you don't smoke. Some
people seem to think that pro cooks have these wonderful palates etc.
They are for the most part average in that regard. To become
executive chef in a decent hotel requires competence and
organizational skills.


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On Oct 12, 12:59*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> *PeterL > wrote:
> > "Dave Bugg" > wrote in
> > > Now if he would just give up tobacco....

>
> > I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
> > How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are so
> > screwed up by smoking??

>
> Good point, but a lot of them do.
>
> > And I've seen *plenty* of chefs/cooks go outside for a smoke then go
> > straight back in and start messing around with food, without washing their
> > hands.

>
> > I don't eat at restaurants where any of the cooking staff smoke.

>
> > It limits the number of places I can go to, but it's worth it in the end.

>
> I would think so. *Maybe that explains why you do so much cooking
> yourself? *If the food tastes of tobacco smoke, I'm not going back, but
> most chefs I know are smart enough to go elsewhere (even if it's just
> the back room) to smoke.
>
> Let me guess, you used to smoke? *It's the ex-smokers, in my experience,
> who are most opposed to smoking.
>


I'm an ex-smoker. Haven't had a cigarette since 1983. Guess when
exactly I quit? The day after the tobacco harvest had ended. I was
kiln hanger. Could no longer stand tobacco.

> > I no longer eat at my favourite pizza place (Panchos... at Bulimba)
> > because they hired a couple of cooks who smoke. Their loss.

>
> In a couple of senses. *They don't call them coffin nails without a
> reason. *They are losing part of their life.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>


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On Oct 12, 9:53*pm, PeterL > wrote:
> Dan Abel > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article >,
> > *PeterL > wrote:

>
> >> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in

>
> >> > Now if he would just give up tobacco....

>
> >> I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
> >> How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are
> >> so screwed up by smoking??

>
> > Good point, but a lot of them do.

>
> >> And I've seen *plenty* of chefs/cooks go outside for a smoke then go
> >> straight back in and start messing around with food, without washing
> >> their hands.

>
> >> I don't eat at restaurants where any of the cooking staff smoke.

>
> >> It limits the number of places I can go to, but it's worth it in the
> >> end.

>
> > I would think so. *Maybe that explains why you do so much cooking
> > yourself? *

>
> LOL!! Most likely :-)
>
> I do have a couple of places left in Brisbane that I can go to.
>
> > If the food tastes of tobacco smoke, I'm not going back, but
> > most chefs I know are smart enough to go elsewhere (even if it's just
> > the back room) to smoke.

>
> It's not so much the food tasting of smoke, it's the fact that the dirty
> so'n'sos don't wash their hands.
>
> It's bad enough being in the same room as someone who has just had a smoke
> and come back inside, let alone have them touching my food.
>
>
>
> > Let me guess, you used to smoke? *

>
> Nope. I'm 53yo and a cigarette has never touched my lips. I was actually
> the 'odd man out' at High School (back in 69/70) because I was the only
> kid at school that didn't, and wouldn't, smoke. It was all the craze back
> then.
>
> I saw so many of my friends start it, just to be cool, and get hooked on
> it. I saw it was a filthy habit then, and decided if that's what you had
> to do to be 'cool' I was going to be 'un-cool'.
>
> > It's the ex-smokers, in my experience,
> > who are most opposed to smoking.

>
> Yeah, I've seen it also. My SO is now a non-smoker. She used to when we
> first met, till I gave her a choice. She could continue with her 'habit'
> (even at only 4-5 a day, she still "needed" them), but she would be doing
> it without me around.
>
> It took her a couple of go's to finally kick it, but she's been smoke free
> for nigh on 15&1/2 years........ and we'll have been together for 16 years
> next month :-)
>
>
>
> >> I no longer eat at my favourite pizza place (Panchos... at Bulimba)
> >> because they hired a couple of cooks who smoke. Their loss.

>
> > In a couple of senses. *They don't call them coffin nails without a
> > reason. *They are losing part of their life.

>
> Yep, too true.
>
> It's quite pathetic to see these groups of people huddled outside of
> office buildings in the city nowadays. And it's an assault on non-smokers
> senses to have to walk through a cloud of bloody cigarette smoke to get
> inside one of those buildings.
>
> But, try telling some 2 pack a day 'junkie' that the second hand smoke
> they give out is worse than the shit they suck in, and that's what the
> rest of us have to deal with, and see what "sympathy" you get.
>
> It's now against the law for anyone to smoke in a car that is carrying
> kids, and I'm hoping that they will make it illegal to smoke in any car,
> *period*!!
>
> If I use a mobile phone while I'm driving I can cop a rather large fine
> and loss of demerit points off my licence.
>
> It is blatantly obvious that anyone who smokes while they are driving is
> 'impaired' to a higher degree that if they were to just be using a mobile
> phone.
>
> That, and the fact that I have yet to see a smoker driver use the ashtray
> in their car. Why dirty their ashtray and stink up their car when they can
> flick their butts out the window and litter the country, and in some
> cases, start a bush fire.
>
> But anyway........
>
> --
> Peter Lucas * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Brisbane * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Australia * * *
>
> If we are not meant to eat animals,
> why are they made of meat?


What I find scary about the anti-smoking people is that they support
anti-smoking laws. Here in Ontario a cigarette vendor is not allowed
to display cigarettes. ALSO, last week a truck driver was arrested
for smoking in his cab because he was in an enclosed workspace and
smoking is not legal in enclosed work spaces. So this makes the
farmer ploughing his fields(if he/she has a cab)a culprit if he/she
smokes. What about someone doing combine work? Same thing. Cab
drivers? I can see a cab company forbidding smoking because they
don't want their cabs reeking; it's understandable. But the
government doesn't need to be involved. A courier? A private
courier? I've been cigarette free since 1983 btw. What about a pilot
that flies a single seater sport plane and gives shows for a fee?
What if he is taxiing down the runway and decides to light up? Uh
oh. Better call the cops.
Last week a clown wrote into my home town newspaper and said he wants
to have tobacco made illegal because he can't quit smoking. Well
excuse me, but there will be a black market(there currently is; 'they'
can sell cigarettes cheaper than you can buy them in stores)and
cigarettes will still be available. The cigarettes are home made but
lots of folks buy them.
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On Oct 13, 1:07*am, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> *PeterL > wrote:
> > Dan Abel > wrote in
> :
> > > Let me guess, you used to smoke? *

>
> > Nope. I'm 53yo and a cigarette has never touched my lips. I was actually
> > the 'odd man out' at High School (back in 69/70) because I was the only
> > kid at school that didn't, and wouldn't, smoke. It was all the craze back
> > then.

>
> > I saw so many of my friends start it, just to be cool, and get hooked on
> > it. I saw it was a filthy habit then, and decided if that's what you had
> > to do to be 'cool' I was going to be 'un-cool'.

>
> Good for you, but you don't seem to be one who does something because
> "everybody else does it".
>
> > > It's the ex-smokers, in my experience,
> > > who are most opposed to smoking.

>
> > Yeah, I've seen it also. My SO is now a non-smoker. She used to when we
> > first met, till I gave her a choice. She could continue with her 'habit'
> > (even at only 4-5 a day, she still "needed" them), but she would be doing
> > it without me around.

>
> > It took her a couple of go's to finally kick it, but she's been smoke free
> > for nigh on 15&1/2 years........ and we'll have been together for 16 years
> > next month :-)

>
> Good for her, too. *My parents had an excuse. *Nobody was willing to
> come right out and say that smoking was bad for your health. *Once the
> Surgeon General of the US came out against smoking, both my parents quit.
>
> > It's quite pathetic to see these groups of people huddled outside of
> > office buildings in the city nowadays. And it's an assault on non-smokers
> > senses to have to walk through a cloud of bloody cigarette smoke to get
> > inside one of those buildings.

>
> Where I used to work, some of the smokers just didn't get the message. *
> The rules just got stricter and stricter. *When I left, the last rule
> was that you could not smoke within 20 feet of any building or structure.
>
> > But, try telling some 2 pack a day 'junkie' that the second hand smoke
> > they give out is worse than the shit they suck in, and that's what the
> > rest of us have to deal with, and see what "sympathy" you get.

>
> I don't believe that second hand smoke is as bad as smoking itself, but
> it's been proven to my satisfaction that it's a health hazard. *When I'm
> outside walking, I'll cross the street to avoid a smoker. *If I can't,
> then I just hold my breath when I walk by.
>
> > It's now against the law for anyone to smoke in a car that is carrying
> > kids, and I'm hoping that they will make it illegal to smoke in any car,
> > *period*!!

>
> We're getting larger and larger smoke free areas. *All public school
> property is now smoke free in my state. *It may be your car, but if
> you're a teacher taking a smoke break, you can't do it in the school
> parking lot. *My HMO (health plan) is smoke free on their campuses. *No
> smoking anywhere. *Not the parking lots, the grass or any benches. *
> Don't even ask about the buildings.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>


At my local hospital, staff is no longer allowed to smoke outside on
hospital premises. They have to go across the street.
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On Oct 13, 12:52*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2009-10-13, Ravenlynne > wrote:
>
> > From what Anthony Bourdain says, a LOT of chefs smoke.

>
> It's true. *And very seldom just tobacco. *Most places ban smoking in
> the kitchen, but every break or lull in the action and the staff
> hotfoots it out the back door to light up. *
>
> The fact is, cooking is quite a boring occupation. *How many times can
> you make the same dish, over and over and over, before you start
> losing your mind? *Cooking at home is different. *You can change the
> menu anytime. *Not so at a restaurant, which may keep the same menu
> for years. *Drinking is also a major problem. *This is common in any
> occupation where unending repetition wearies and deadens the soul.
> It's one of the reasons I never persued a cooking career or a music
> career or a.... *
>
> I've changed a dozen careers for the same reason. *Some people are
> perfectly content with lifelong sameness. *More power to them, I say.
> I actually envy them. *For most people, job boredom can be deadly.
> Alcohol, smoking, drugs, etc. *Bad mojo.
>
> nb


I cooked pro for about 5 years. I never found it boring. When you
are busy(as you always are or should be in a resaturant/hotel kitchen)
there is no time for boredom. What's boring is working a CNC milling
machine after you have done the setup, done the programming and now
all you do is sit and watch for 8 hours. Or 12 hours or whatever.
That's boring. It's crazy.
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On Oct 13, 5:01*pm, "Bent Attorney Esq." >
wrote:
> On Oct 12, 9:53*pm, PeterL > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dan Abel > wrote :

>
> > > In article >,
> > > *PeterL > wrote:

>
> > >> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in

>
> > >> > Now if he would just give up tobacco....

>
> > >> I *hate* chefs who smoke!!
> > >> How the hell can they taste their food properly if their tastebuds are
> > >> so screwed up by smoking??

>
> > > Good point, but a lot of them do.

>
> > >> And I've seen *plenty* of chefs/cooks go outside for a smoke then go
> > >> straight back in and start messing around with food, without washing
> > >> their hands.

>
> > >> I don't eat at restaurants where any of the cooking staff smoke.

>
> > >> It limits the number of places I can go to, but it's worth it in the
> > >> end.

>
> > > I would think so. *Maybe that explains why you do so much cooking
> > > yourself? *

>
> > LOL!! Most likely :-)

>
> > I do have a couple of places left in Brisbane that I can go to.

>
> > > If the food tastes of tobacco smoke, I'm not going back, but
> > > most chefs I know are smart enough to go elsewhere (even if it's just
> > > the back room) to smoke.

>
> > It's not so much the food tasting of smoke, it's the fact that the dirty
> > so'n'sos don't wash their hands.

>
> > It's bad enough being in the same room as someone who has just had a smoke
> > and come back inside, let alone have them touching my food.

>
> > > Let me guess, you used to smoke? *

>
> > Nope. I'm 53yo and a cigarette has never touched my lips. I was actually
> > the 'odd man out' at High School (back in 69/70) because I was the only
> > kid at school that didn't, and wouldn't, smoke. It was all the craze back
> > then.

>
> > I saw so many of my friends start it, just to be cool, and get hooked on
> > it. I saw it was a filthy habit then, and decided if that's what you had
> > to do to be 'cool' I was going to be 'un-cool'.

>
> > > It's the ex-smokers, in my experience,
> > > who are most opposed to smoking.

>
> > Yeah, I've seen it also. My SO is now a non-smoker. She used to when we
> > first met, till I gave her a choice. She could continue with her 'habit'
> > (even at only 4-5 a day, she still "needed" them), but she would be doing
> > it without me around.

>
> > It took her a couple of go's to finally kick it, but she's been smoke free
> > for nigh on 15&1/2 years........ and we'll have been together for 16 years
> > next month :-)

>
> > >> I no longer eat at my favourite pizza place (Panchos... at Bulimba)
> > >> because they hired a couple of cooks who smoke. Their loss.

>
> > > In a couple of senses. *They don't call them coffin nails without a
> > > reason. *They are losing part of their life.

>
> > Yep, too true.

>
> > It's quite pathetic to see these groups of people huddled outside of
> > office buildings in the city nowadays. And it's an assault on non-smokers
> > senses to have to walk through a cloud of bloody cigarette smoke to get
> > inside one of those buildings.

>
> > But, try telling some 2 pack a day 'junkie' that the second hand smoke
> > they give out is worse than the shit they suck in, and that's what the
> > rest of us have to deal with, and see what "sympathy" you get.

>
> > It's now against the law for anyone to smoke in a car that is carrying
> > kids, and I'm hoping that they will make it illegal to smoke in any car,
> > *period*!!

>
> > If I use a mobile phone while I'm driving I can cop a rather large fine
> > and loss of demerit points off my licence.

>
> > It is blatantly obvious that anyone who smokes while they are driving is
> > 'impaired' to a higher degree that if they were to just be using a mobile
> > phone.

>
> > That, and the fact that I have yet to see a smoker driver use the ashtray
> > in their car. Why dirty their ashtray and stink up their car when they can
> > flick their butts out the window and litter the country, and in some
> > cases, start a bush fire.

>
> > But anyway........

>
> > --
> > Peter Lucas * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > Brisbane * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > Australia * * *

>
> > If we are not meant to eat animals,
> > why are they made of meat?

>
> What I find scary about the anti-smoking people is that they support
> anti-smoking laws. *Here in Ontario a cigarette vendor is not allowed
> to display cigarettes. *ALSO, last week a truck driver was arrested
> for smoking in his cab because he was in an enclosed workspace and
> smoking is not legal in enclosed work spaces. *So this makes the
> farmer ploughing his fields(if he/she has a cab)a culprit if he/she
> smokes. *What about someone doing combine work? *Same thing. *Cab
> drivers? *I can see a cab company forbidding smoking because they
> don't want their cabs reeking; it's understandable. *But the
> government doesn't need to be involved. *A courier? *A private
> courier? *I've been cigarette free since 1983 btw. *What about a pilot
> that flies a single seater sport plane and gives shows for a fee?
> What if he is taxiing down the runway and decides to light up? *Uh
> oh. *Better call the cops.
> Last week a clown wrote into my home town newspaper and said he wants
> to have tobacco made illegal because he can't quit smoking. *Well
> excuse me, but there will be a black market(there currently is; 'they'
> can sell cigarettes cheaper than you can buy them in stores)and
> cigarettes will still be available. *The cigarettes are home made but
> lots of folks buy them.


I goofed here. The truck driver I don't think was arrested. He was
just given a ticket: $305.00.
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