If a restaurant in Italy calls itself a "Ristorante
Bio Energetico", does that mean anything in particular,
and if so, what?

Steve

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> If a restaurant in Italy calls itself a "Ristorante
> Bio Energetico", does that mean anything in particular,
> and if so, what?
>
> Steve


They are probably using or selling their cooking oil for bio-fuel rather
than dumping it. At the price of heating oil in Europe, it would be a smart
thing to do. Last time I was there, heating oil was $6.50 a gallon, probably
more now.

Steve Pope wrote:
> If a restaurant in Italy calls itself a "Ristorante
> Bio Energetico", does that mean anything in particular,
> and if so, what?
>
> Steve


Health food?

gloria p

"Gloria P" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> Steve Pope wrote:
>> If a restaurant in Italy calls itself a "Ristorante
>> Bio Energetico", does that mean anything in particular,
>> and if so, what?
>>
>> Steve
>
>
> Health food?
>
Roughly, yes.
It's a "bio-energetical" restaurant.
That implies that the food is produced without chemicals and
especially healthy for you (haha !).
It's a marketing gag ...

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

Gloria P > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> If a restaurant in Italy calls itself a "Ristorante
>> Bio Energetico", does that mean anything in particular,
>> and if so, what?

>Health food?

This seems at least somewhat the case, based on Babelfishing
the restaraunt's self-description....

Steve

Steve Pope > wrote:

> If a restaurant in Italy calls itself a "Ristorante
> Bio Energetico", does that mean anything in particular,
> and if so, what?

There is apparently only one such restaurant on the Web. The restaurant
is in Parma: <http://www.apritisesamo96.it/ristoranteNuova.asp>

They claim to serve dishes prepared with "organic" and "biodynamic" raw
materials, to help one face each day with "vitality". No meat or fish
is served, but instead "alternative proteins", such as tofu, seitan and
tempeh. They do not use milk, butter, eggs, or sugar.

In other words, it is a vegan place.

Victor

Victor Sack > wrote:

>Steve Pope > wrote:

>> If a restaurant in Italy calls itself a "Ristorante
>> Bio Energetico", does that mean anything in particular,
>> and if so, what?

>There is apparently only one such restaurant on the Web. The restaurant
>is in Parma: <http://www.apritisesamo96.it/ristoranteNuova.asp>
>
>They claim to serve dishes prepared with "organic" and "biodynamic" raw
>materials, to help one face each day with "vitality". No meat or fish
>is served, but instead "alternative proteins", such as tofu, seitan and
>tempeh. They do not use milk, butter, eggs, or sugar.
>
>In other words, it is a vegan place.

Thanks, that is indeed the place, recommended by a friend in
Parma when I enquired about vegetarian dining possibilities.

Our plan, pretty much, is to go there on the first evening of
our visit to Italy -- we land in Milan, but will immediately
head southwards.

Steve

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message>
> Our plan, pretty much, is to go there on the first evening of
> our visit to Italy -- we land in Milan, but will immediately
> head southwards.
>
> Steve

Parma is an easy drive from Milan. You'll also find plenty of shops selling
Parma cheese and balsamic too, and will package it for travel.

Victor Sack wrote:
>
> They claim to serve dishes prepared with "organic" and "biodynamic" raw
> materials, to help one face each day with "vitality". No meat or fish
> is served, but instead "alternative proteins", such as tofu, seitan and
> tempeh. They do not use milk, butter, eggs, or sugar.

Biodynamics is a semi-mystical set of practices
which go beyond simple organic farming. They
produce really good vegetables that way, though
it takes a lot of labor, much of which is spent
on bizarre spiritual practices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture

On Oct 10, 12:10 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> Biodynamics is a semi-mystical set of practices
> which go beyond simple organic farming. They
> produce really good vegetables that way, though
> it takes a lot of labor, much of which is spent
> on bizarre spiritual practices. [snip]

As though there were "spiritual practices" that were not bizarre.
-aem

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message>

>> Our plan, pretty much, is to go there on the first evening of
>> our visit to Italy -- we land in Milan, but will immediately
>> head southwards.

> Parma is an easy drive from Milan. You'll also find plenty of shops
> selling Parma cheese and balsamic too, and will package it for travel.

Thanks for the info.

We haven't really decided where exactly we're going after Parma --
other than south -- two nights later we will probably be in or near
Greve, and then on to points further self; but I'm unsure where
in-between Parma and Greve we might end up staying.


Steve

Mark Thorson > wrote:

>Biodynamics is a semi-mystical set of practices
>which go beyond simple organic farming. They
>produce really good vegetables that way, though
>it takes a lot of labor, much of which is spent
>on bizarre spiritual practices.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture

Mark - thanks. Interesting.

Steve

aem wrote:
>
> On Oct 10, 12:10 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> >
> > Biodynamics is a semi-mystical set of practices
> > which go beyond simple organic farming. They
> > produce really good vegetables that way, though
> > it takes a lot of labor, much of which is spent
> > on bizarre spiritual practices. [snip]
>
> As though there were "spiritual practices" that were not bizarre.

Perhaps I should have said "more bizarre than most".

Though not quite so loony as these people:

Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> Though not quite so loony as these people:

Dang, hit the send button by accident. Here's the
link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1219424

Two dead, one in critical condition, from a spiritual retreat
to a so-called "sweat lodge". And they paid $9000 apiece
for the experience. 60 people crammed into a tiny space
covered with a plastic tarpulin. Over half a million
dollars, harvested from people who are rich and foolish.
How do you find these people?

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message>
>
>>> Our plan, pretty much, is to go there on the first evening of
>>> our visit to Italy -- we land in Milan, but will immediately
>>> head southwards.
>
>> Parma is an easy drive from Milan. You'll also find plenty of shops
>> selling Parma cheese and balsamic too, and will package it for travel.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> We haven't really decided where exactly we're going after Parma --
> other than south -- two nights later we will probably be in or near
> Greve, and then on to points further self; but I'm unsure where
> in-between Parma and Greve we might end up staying.
>
>
> Steve

If time permits, take Route 325 or Route 65 from Bologna to Firenze instead
of the Autostrade. It will take at least twice as long, but you'll see much
more, especially going over the mountains. IIRC, 325 is the road used by
Ducati to road test some of their bikes. Lots of turns.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message

...
>> Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message>
>>
>>>> Our plan, pretty much, is to go there on the first evening of
>>>> our visit to Italy -- we land in Milan, but will immediately
>>>> head southwards.
>>
>>> Parma is an easy drive from Milan. You'll also find plenty of shops
>>> selling Parma cheese and balsamic too, and will package it for travel.
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> We haven't really decided where exactly we're going after Parma --
>> other than south -- two nights later we will probably be in or near
>> Greve, and then on to points further south; but I'm unsure where
>> in-between Parma and Greve we might end up staying.

>If time permits, take Route 325 or Route 65 from Bologna to Firenze instead
>of the Autostrade. It will take at least twice as long, but you'll see much
>more, especially going over the mountains. IIRC, 325 is the road used by
>Ducati to road test some of their bikes. Lots of turns.

We might do something like that; we have about 800 km to cover in five
driving days, so we'll have to weigh whether these side trips and
slower routes can be squoze in.

Steve

On Oct 10, 3:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Though not quite so loony as these people:
>
> Dang, hit the send button by accident. *Here's the
> link:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1219424
>
> Two dead, one in critical condition, from a spiritual retreat
> to a so-called "sweat lodge". *And they paid $9000 apiece
> for the experience. *60 people crammed into a tiny space
> covered with a plastic tarpulin. *Over half a million
> dollars, harvested from people who are rich and foolish.
> How do you find these people?

This is what happens when stupid, adult white folks play "cowboys and
indians". It's an insult to Native Americans and sacreligious.
Lynn in Fargo

Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig > wrote:

>On Oct 10, 3:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:

>> Two dead, one in critical condition, from a spiritual retreat
>> to a so-called "sweat lodge". *And they paid $9000 apiece
>> for the experience. *60 people crammed into a tiny space
>> covered with a plastic tarpulin. *Over half a million
>> dollars, harvested from people who are rich and foolish.
>> How do you find these people?

>This is what happens when stupid, adult white folks play "cowboys and
>indians". It's an insult to Native Americans and sacreligious.
>Lynn in Fargo

Much as I love just about all of the American southwest, I never veer
within fifteen miles of Sedona.

It is the most phony place imaginable.

Steve

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>,
Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig > wrote:

> On Oct 10, 3:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> > Mark Thorson wrote:
> >
> > > Though not quite so loony as these people:
> >
> > Dang, hit the send button by accident. *Here's the
> > link:
> >
> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...rticle-1219424
> >
> > Two dead, one in critical condition, from a spiritual retreat
> > to a so-called "sweat lodge". *And they paid $9000 apiece
> > for the experience. *60 people crammed into a tiny space
> > covered with a plastic tarpulin. *Over half a million
> > dollars, harvested from people who are rich and foolish.
> > How do you find these people?
>
> This is what happens when stupid, adult white folks play "cowboys and
> indians". It's an insult to Native Americans and sacreligious.

We have a sweat lodge at church camp in the summer. It's some bent
sticks, lashed together and covered with a plastic tarp. It costs zero.
It fits about a dozen people. There's a mandatory training session, and
a release form. There's an age limit (no little kids), and those under
18 not only have to sign, but their parent or guardian have to sign AND
attend the training, even if they aren't going. In fact, maybe they
have to go the first time. There are strict rules about alcohol.
Nobody drunk is allowed in. People watch out for each other.

I've never been. It's dark, has a low ceiling and is crowded (cheek to
cheek, as my wife says, and not *those* cheeks), and I don't like those
things. It's very popular, though.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Michael Kuettner wrote:

>> Health food?

> Roughly, yes.
> It's a "bio-energetical" restaurant.
> That implies that the food is produced without chemicals and
> especially healthy for you (haha !).
> It's a marketing gag ...

I agree.
--
Vilco
Mai guardare Trailer park Boys senza
qualcosa da bere a portata di mano

Steve Pope wrote:

>> Parma is an easy drive from Milan. You'll also find plenty of shops
>> selling Parma cheese and balsamic too, and will package it for
>> travel.


Yep, about 120 km of smooth highway, just something less than an hour.

> Thanks for the info.
>
> We haven't really decided where exactly we're going after Parma --
> other than south -- two nights later we will probably be in or near
> Greve, and then on to points further self; but I'm unsure where
> in-between Parma and Greve we might end up staying.

So you'll be in Parma? I'd suggest that you don't miss a couple of things,
there in theheart of the food valley, jusy 30 km west from here.

1) "anolini in brodo" (anolini in broth), which is the Parma's name for
cappelletti in broth, theyr most famous first course dish. The tradition of
the hillside of the county sees them filled with meat and cheese while the
lowland tradition sees them with no meat in the filling, essentially cheese
based. If you want the names of some good and honest places in Parma who
serve anolini, just ask

2) parmigiano reggiano! Every "alimentari" shop will have it, and you can
ask for the ageing you prefer: look for 24 and 36 months old. It should cost
between 12 and 15 euros / kg, depending on ageing and where you're buying it
from. There's also the company shop of a renowned cheese making farm:
Gennari. The place is called "spaccio gennari", not exactly in the center of
town but close to it. If you will be using a GPS it won't be difficult to
find:
Spaccio Gennari
4 Via del Lazzaretto
Parma, 43100
They also offer cured pork meats.

3) "parma ham", "fiocco", "spalla cotta di san secondo" and "culatello di
zibello": these are the most famous cold-cuts of the county, and they are
incredible when found in the production area. I listed them in ascending
price order.

Ask anything you want, I'm very close to Parma and have attended at the
university just there.
--
Vilco
Mai guardare Trailer park Boys senza
qualcosa da bere a portata di mano

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:39:49 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:

> Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig > wrote:
>
>>On Oct 10, 3:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
>>> Two dead, one in critical condition, from a spiritual retreat
>>> to a so-called "sweat lodge". *And they paid $9000 apiece
>>> for the experience. *60 people crammed into a tiny space
>>> covered with a plastic tarpulin. *Over half a million
>>> dollars, harvested from people who are rich and foolish.
>>> How do you find these people?
>
>>This is what happens when stupid, adult white folks play "cowboys and
>>indians". It's an insult to Native Americans and sacreligious.
>>Lynn in Fargo
>
> Much as I love just about all of the American southwest, I never veer
> within fifteen miles of Sedona.
>
> It is the most phony place imaginable.
>
> Steve

how can you say that? it's where president mccain lives!

your pal,
blake

"ViLco" > wrote in message
> 3) "parma ham", "fiocco", "spalla cotta di san secondo" and "culatello di
> zibello": these are the most famous cold-cuts of the county, and they are
> incredible when found in the production area. I listed them in ascending
> price order.

Unfortunately, they must be enjoyed there. Not allowed to bring meats back
to the US. Your 800 years experience of curing meats is not good enough for
our government.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> 3) "parma ham", "fiocco", "spalla cotta di san secondo" and
>> "culatello di zibello": these are the most famous cold-cuts of the
>> county, and they are incredible when found in the production area. I
>> listed them in ascending price order.

> Unfortunately, they must be enjoyed there. Not allowed to bring meats
> back to the US. Your 800 years experience of curing meats is not
> good enough for our government.

There actually is a way to bring / ship them to the US, but it is overkill
for a person bringing home a half ham.
--
Vilco
Mai guardare Trailer park Boys senza
qualcosa da bere a portata di mano

"ViLco" > wrote in message
...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> 3) "parma ham", "fiocco", "spalla cotta di san secondo" and
>>> "culatello di zibello": these are the most famous cold-cuts of the
>>> county, and they are incredible when found in the production area. I
>>> listed them in ascending price order.
>
>> Unfortunately, they must be enjoyed there. Not allowed to bring meats
>> back to the US. Your 800 years experience of curing meats is not
>> good enough for our government.
>
> There actually is a way to bring / ship them to the US, but it is overkill
> for a person bringing home a half ham.
> --
> Vilco

One way is to just take a chance. They are usually confiscated if found but
no fines involved. I've never taken the risk though. I have plenty of
other legitimate stuff to carry.

ViLco > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> We haven't really decided where exactly we're going after Parma --
>> other than south -- two nights later we will probably be in or near
>> Greve, and then on to points further self; but I'm unsure where
>> in-between Parma and Greve we might end up staying.

>So you'll be in Parma? I'd suggest that you don't miss a couple of things,
>there in theheart of the food valley, jusy 30 km west from here.

>1) "anolini in brodo" (anolini in broth), which is the Parma's name for
>cappelletti in broth, theyr most famous first course dish. The tradition of
>the hillside of the county sees them filled with meat and cheese while the
>lowland tradition sees them with no meat in the filling, essentially cheese
>based. If you want the names of some good and honest places in Parma who
>serve anolini, just ask

We'll arrive on a Saturday night, and leave sometime Sunday. I'm
hoping there is somewhere interesting to have lunch Sunday that isn't
closed that day. Or at least an alimentari that is open Sundays.

>2) parmigiano reggiano! Every "alimentari" shop will have it, and you can
>ask for the ageing you prefer: look for 24 and 36 months old. It should cost
>between 12 and 15 euros / kg, depending on ageing and where you're buying it
>from. There's also the company shop of a renowned cheese making farm:
>Gennari. The place is called "spaccio gennari", not exactly in the center of
>town but close to it. If you will be using a GPS it won't be difficult to
>find:
>Spaccio Gennari
>4 Via del Lazzaretto
>Parma, 43100
>They also offer cured pork meats.

>3) "parma ham", "fiocco", "spalla cotta di san secondo" and "culatello di
>zibello": these are the most famous cold-cuts of the county, and they are
>incredible when found in the production area. I listed them in ascending
>price order.

>Ask anything you want, I'm very close to Parma and have attended at the
>university just there.

Thanks; I'm not sure how much time we'll have. We've signed up
for quite a bit of driving, as we pick up the rental car
in Milan and drop it off in Naples 8 days later, and four
of those days will be at an agriturismo near the Lazio/Campania
border. So we pretty much have to breeze through Emiliga
Romana and Tuscany.

Steve

blake murphy wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:39:49 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:
>
>> Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig > wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 10, 3:56 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>
>>>> Two dead, one in critical condition, from a spiritual retreat
>>>> to a so-called "sweat lodge". And they paid $9000 apiece
>>>> for the experience. 60 people crammed into a tiny space
>>>> covered with a plastic tarpulin. Over half a million
>>>> dollars, harvested from people who are rich and foolish.
>>>> How do you find these people?
>>
>>> This is what happens when stupid, adult white folks play "cowboys
>>> and indians". It's an insult to Native Americans and sacreligious.
>>> Lynn in Fargo
>>
>> Much as I love just about all of the American southwest, I never veer
>> within fifteen miles of Sedona.
>>
>> It is the most phony place imaginable.
>>
>> Steve
>
> how can you say that? it's where president mccain lives!
>


If you thought that Cindy McCain was a bottle-blonde Stepford Wife, check
out Newt Gingrich's latest wife...she's even written a book about "Christian
values".


--
Best
Greg

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:48:16 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:39:49 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:
>>
>>> Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 10, 3:56 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Two dead, one in critical condition, from a spiritual retreat
>>>>> to a so-called "sweat lodge". And they paid $9000 apiece
>>>>> for the experience. 60 people crammed into a tiny space
>>>>> covered with a plastic tarpulin. Over half a million
>>>>> dollars, harvested from people who are rich and foolish.
>>>>> How do you find these people?
>>>
>>>> This is what happens when stupid, adult white folks play "cowboys
>>>> and indians". It's an insult to Native Americans and sacreligious.
>>>> Lynn in Fargo
>>>
>>> Much as I love just about all of the American southwest, I never veer
>>> within fifteen miles of Sedona.
>>>
>>> It is the most phony place imaginable.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> how can you say that? it's where president mccain lives!
>>
>
> If you thought that Cindy McCain was a bottle-blonde Stepford Wife, check
> out Newt Gingrich's latest wife...she's even written a book about "Christian
> values".

is this the one who was giving him blowjobs while he was still married to
wife #2 (during clinton's impeachment) because that 'didn't count' as
infidelity?

oops. no, that was a third party altogether:

For one thing, Gingrich pioneered a denial of adultery that some observers
would later christen "the Newt Defense": Oral sex doesn't count. In a
revealing psychological portrait of the "inner" Gingrich that appeared in
Vanity Fair (September 1995), Gail Sheehy uncovered a woman, Anne Manning,
who had an affair in Washington in 1977 with a married Gingrich.

"We had oral sex," Manning revealed. "He prefers that modus operandi
because then he can say, 'I never slept with her.'" She added that Gingrich
threatened her: "If you ever tell anybody about this, I'll say you're
lying."

<http://www.salon.com/news/1998/08/28news.html>

but callista *was* the one he was cheating on #2 with:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich#Personal_life>

but it's o.k. because he's, like, a visionary and shit.

blake