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Steve Pope wrote:

> If I'm forced to use a French press, I let the coffee steep
> for four minutes, using water that is maybe 190 degrees F.
>
> However filter coffee gives better results.


I tend to agree, but drip coffee is better if made by the pot. It is
difficult to make just a cup or two of good coffee in a drip machine.
That is why I use a press for just a cup or two. I can make a pretty
good cup of coffee with my press, but I can't make a single cup in it.
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:44:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:
>
>> If I'm forced to use a French press, I let the coffee steep
>> for four minutes, using water that is maybe 190 degrees F.
>>
>> However filter coffee gives better results.

>
>I tend to agree, but drip coffee is better if made by the pot. It is
>difficult to make just a cup or two of good coffee in a drip machine.
>That is why I use a press for just a cup or two. I can make a pretty
>good cup of coffee with my press, but I can't make a single cup in it.


I've been trying to get the wife to learn how to make good coffee but
she refuses, seems it's my department. For most mornings I use my
Timmy's 3 min. machine, fine ground Kona or a Starbucks french roast.

I do although have a press I use mostly on the weekends. I double
boil my water (preference) and use only good coffee (Kenyan my
preference) ground coarse ( leave it four minutes ) as I find anymore
and the acidly bitterness shows up.
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> On Jun 11, 6:27*am, enigma > wrote:
>> Andy > wrote
>> :
>>
>> > Dinner. It's what's for breakfast!

>>
>> usually. i have an intense dislike for "breakfast foods"
>>
>> > A TJ's frozen Pizza Margherita finished with avocado, Cholula
>> > hot sauce, garlic powder and red pepper flakes with two ice
>> > cold mugs of Bud light.

>>
>> sounded great until you got to the Bud Light. ew! i'm not much
>> of a drinker, but am totally spoiled by homebrew & cider. *

>
> I can't recall the last time I had a beer--or any alcoholic
> bev--in the morning when I had not slept in a tent the night
> before.


oh... that's true. alcohol in the morning does sound rather 'ew',
even if my breakfast usually isn't until sometime after 10:30am.

>> haven't had breakfast yet, & usually don't until after 10am
>> (holdover from my school days. hated school so much i puked
>> every morning, so eating breakfast was a waste of time & food)

>
> And I thought that *I* hated school.


school was... if i'm being polite, a waste of my time. i was
reading (& understanding) my father's Masters level textbooks at
age 4. i didn't fit into the round peghole, no matter what they did
to me.
you have a kid. does he attend public school? if so, then no, you
don't hate school as much as i did
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> The difference being, I don't want to get drunk in the morning
> and I don't want a belly of high-octane suds (too filling).
> Imho.


ok. fair enough. i'm not thinking beer for breakfast though. too
fond of my mocha

> An old GF puked after EVERY meal. It beat having to exercise to
> maintain her figure. She quickly became a waste of my time,
> money and interest.


i had anorexia caused by stress (i'm a stress non-eater) many many
years ago. i was down to 111 pounds, i'm 5'9"... so it was a bit of a
problem. i only puked when i heard my ex coming home from work
though... i just couldn't eat.
i got over it by divorcing him.
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> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in
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> om:
>
>> On Jun 11, 6:27 am, enigma > wrote:
>>> Andy > wrote
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Dinner. It's what's for breakfast!
>>> usually. i have an intense dislike for "breakfast foods"
>>>
>>>> A TJ's frozen Pizza Margherita finished with avocado, Cholula
>>>> hot sauce, garlic powder and red pepper flakes with two ice
>>>> cold mugs of Bud light.
>>> sounded great until you got to the Bud Light. ew! i'm not much
>>> of a drinker, but am totally spoiled by homebrew & cider.

>> I can't recall the last time I had a beer--or any alcoholic
>> bev--in the morning when I had not slept in a tent the night
>> before.

>
> oh... that's true. alcohol in the morning does sound rather 'ew',
> even if my breakfast usually isn't until sometime after 10:30am.
>
>>> haven't had breakfast yet, & usually don't until after 10am
>>> (holdover from my school days. hated school so much i puked
>>> every morning, so eating breakfast was a waste of time & food)

>> And I thought that *I* hated school.

>
> school was... if i'm being polite, a waste of my time. i was
> reading (& understanding) my father's Masters level textbooks at
> age 4. i didn't fit into the round peghole, no matter what they did
> to me.
> you have a kid. does he attend public school? if so, then no, you
> don't hate school as much as i did
> lee


Gee, Lee, I thought my daughter had it bad. How long were you
tortured in public school?

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> Gee, Lee, I thought my daughter had it bad. How long were you
> tortured in public school?


well, i went to kindergarten through half of 2nd grade in NY, and
that was ok. they were very accomodating of keeping me in somewhat
challenging work & letting me assist teaching other kids in my class
to read.
when we moved to MA in the second half of second grade things
immediately went straight to hell... i was supposed to be a stupid
little drone. i don't do stupid little drone well at all. so, 10.5
years of torture.
there are *so* many reasons my kid doesn't go to public school. i
just can't do that to a bright kid... and my town's elementary school
is really awful.
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> Please tell us about your ideal cup of coffee, made with French
> Press. Your timing, coffee to water ratio, etc. (?)


To what point? His "ideal" cup of coffee is not your "ideal".

The advantage of a French press is it takes nothing away from the
coffee like filters, which absorb flavor laden oils. You steep the
coffee in water the same way tea is made. When steeping is done, the
press screen prevents most of the grounds from going in your cup.

There is no single perfect method. Most ppl prefer courser grounds
which are more likely to be caught by the press screen. I don't mind
very fine grounds that may get through, preferring them to get the
most from the coffee.

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In article >,
enigma > wrote:

> "Jean B." > wrote in
> :
>
> > Gee, Lee, I thought my daughter had it bad. How long were you
> > tortured in public school?

>
> well, i went to kindergarten through half of 2nd grade in NY, and
> that was ok. they were very accomodating of keeping me in somewhat
> challenging work & letting me assist teaching other kids in my class
> to read.
> when we moved to MA in the second half of second grade things
> immediately went straight to hell... i was supposed to be a stupid
> little drone. i don't do stupid little drone well at all. so, 10.5
> years of torture.
> there are *so* many reasons my kid doesn't go to public school. i
> just can't do that to a bright kid... and my town's elementary school
> is really awful.
> lee


So where are you sending your kid, or are you home schooling? My
parents sent us to parochial schools thru the 5th grade. I got tortured
after that. <g>
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:46:51 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> enigma > wrote:
>
>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Gee, Lee, I thought my daughter had it bad. How long were you
>>> tortured in public school?

>>
>> well, i went to kindergarten through half of 2nd grade in NY, and
>> that was ok. they were very accomodating of keeping me in somewhat
>> challenging work & letting me assist teaching other kids in my class
>> to read.
>> when we moved to MA in the second half of second grade things
>> immediately went straight to hell... i was supposed to be a stupid
>> little drone. i don't do stupid little drone well at all. so, 10.5
>> years of torture.
>> there are *so* many reasons my kid doesn't go to public school. i
>> just can't do that to a bright kid... and my town's elementary school
>> is really awful.
>> lee

>
> So where are you sending your kid, or are you home schooling? My
> parents sent us to parochial schools thru the 5th grade. I got tortured
> after that. <g>


how odd. usually it's the other way 'round.

your pal,
blake
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Omelet > wrote in
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> In article >,
> enigma > wrote:


>> there are *so* many reasons my kid doesn't go to public
>> school. i
>> just can't do that to a bright kid... and my town's elementary
>> school is really awful.

>
> So where are you sending your kid, or are you home schooling?
> My parents sent us to parochial schools thru the 5th grade. I
> got tortured after that. <g>


he goes to a Montessori school right now. if we move to an area
without a nearby (within 30 miles) Montessori school, he'll be
homeschooled... well, my SO has suggested parochial school, but i
don't think they would appreciate that my son calls bible stories
'myths'.
he hasn't got the temperment to do well in a rigid public school
setting and i won't drug a child into compliance (a fight my SIL is
currently having with her school system). plus i disagree with
loading a kid with homework. if you can't teach him in the 7 hours
you have him in class, you're not much use. once he's out of
school, his time is NOT the school's to fill with busywork. that's
not to say we don't have him practice skills, but he needs time to
be a kid & i need him to have time to do his chores.
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enigma said...

> i won't drug a child into compliance (a fight my SIL is
> currently having with her school system). plus i disagree with
> loading a kid with homework. if you can't teach him in the 7 hours
> you have him in class, you're not much use. once he's out of
> school, his time is NOT the school's to fill with busywork. that's
> not to say we don't have him practice skills, but he needs time to
> be a kid & i need him to have time to do his chores.
> lee



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enigma wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in
> :
>
>> Gee, Lee, I thought my daughter had it bad. How long were you
>> tortured in public school?

>
> well, i went to kindergarten through half of 2nd grade in NY, and
> that was ok. they were very accomodating of keeping me in somewhat
> challenging work & letting me assist teaching other kids in my class
> to read.
> when we moved to MA in the second half of second grade things
> immediately went straight to hell... i was supposed to be a stupid
> little drone. i don't do stupid little drone well at all. so, 10.5
> years of torture.
> there are *so* many reasons my kid doesn't go to public school. i
> just can't do that to a bright kid... and my town's elementary school
> is really awful.
> lee
>

Oh, you sound sooooo like my daughter. Public school ruined her
love of learning, and turned her into someone who rarely reads a
real book. (She was an avid reader before the teacher insisted
she read books at grade level--books she had read way before she
started school.)

If I had things to do over again, I would have home-schooled her
from day 1. I was worried about socialization though.... Heh.
THAT didn't work too well for many of her school years though.

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enigma wrote:
> Omelet > wrote in
> news >
>> In article >,
>> enigma > wrote:

>
>>> there are *so* many reasons my kid doesn't go to public
>>> school. i
>>> just can't do that to a bright kid... and my town's elementary
>>> school is really awful.

>> So where are you sending your kid, or are you home schooling?
>> My parents sent us to parochial schools thru the 5th grade. I
>> got tortured after that. <g>

>
> he goes to a Montessori school right now. if we move to an area
> without a nearby (within 30 miles) Montessori school, he'll be
> homeschooled... well, my SO has suggested parochial school, but i
> don't think they would appreciate that my son calls bible stories
> 'myths'.
> he hasn't got the temperment to do well in a rigid public school
> setting and i won't drug a child into compliance (a fight my SIL is
> currently having with her school system). plus i disagree with
> loading a kid with homework. if you can't teach him in the 7 hours
> you have him in class, you're not much use. once he's out of
> school, his time is NOT the school's to fill with busywork. that's
> not to say we don't have him practice skills, but he needs time to
> be a kid & i need him to have time to do his chores.
> lee
>

I do so agree with you, Lee....

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"Jean B." > wrote in
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> Oh, you sound sooooo like my daughter. Public school ruined her
> love of learning, and turned her into someone who rarely reads a
> real book. (She was an avid reader before the teacher insisted
> she read books at grade level--books she had read way before she
> started school.)


i was way to hooked on reading to let school ruin it. the 2nd
grade teacher in Billerica was an idiot, and i more or less told
her as much, although it was along the lines of 'i know how to
read, so i can learn anything i want *when* i want, and i'm only
here because the law says i have to be'. needless to say, that
didn't endear me to her any. i don't remember if that was before or
after she took the copy of Clark's Childhood's End i was reading.
she wouldn't even give it back to my mom, so mom bought me another
copy.

> If I had things to do over again, I would have home-schooled her
> from day 1. I was worried about socialization though.... Heh.
> THAT didn't work too well for many of her school years though.


home schooling was unheard of in the 60s, or i bet my parents
would have done so as well. they were pretty good about backing me
up anyway.
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enigma wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in
> :
>
>> Oh, you sound sooooo like my daughter. Public school ruined her
>> love of learning, and turned her into someone who rarely reads a
>> real book. (She was an avid reader before the teacher insisted
>> she read books at grade level--books she had read way before she
>> started school.)

>
> i was way to hooked on reading to let school ruin it. the 2nd
> grade teacher in Billerica was an idiot, and i more or less told
> her as much, although it was along the lines of 'i know how to
> read, so i can learn anything i want *when* i want, and i'm only
> here because the law says i have to be'. needless to say, that
> didn't endear me to her any. i don't remember if that was before or
> after she took the copy of Clark's Childhood's End i was reading.
> she wouldn't even give it back to my mom, so mom bought me another
> copy.
>
>> If I had things to do over again, I would have home-schooled her
>> from day 1. I was worried about socialization though.... Heh.
>> THAT didn't work too well for many of her school years though.

>
> home schooling was unheard of in the 60s, or i bet my parents
> would have done so as well. they were pretty good about backing me
> up anyway.
> lee
>

OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do, though.)

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> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
> though.)


yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
only serve the lowest common denomenator
school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
& different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:

> "Jean B." > wrote in
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>
>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>> though.)

>
> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
> only serve the lowest common denomenator
> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
> lee


well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
get in their way.

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blake murphy > wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>
> > "Jean B." > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
> >> though.)

> >
> > yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
> > only serve the lowest common denomenator
> > school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
> > different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
> > & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
> > more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
> > lee

>
> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
> surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
> describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
> get in their way.
>
> your pal,
> blake


You'd argue with a brick wall just to be contrary wouldn't you?

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> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be
> very much surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the
> gifted as you and jean describe. they might not *help* them
> much, but i don't think they actually get in their way.


i understand there are school systems that actually do help the
gifted kids, but only systems with excellent special ed programs (so
the other end of the spectrum also gets a lot of benefit as well),
but i've never seen one in action.
in most schools, yes, they DO get in the way of the upper end kids.
they rarely allow skipping grades to get a child up with it's
intellectual peers, because the whole "age peer" thing is so sacred.
they expect the smarter kids to slow themselves to the class level
(but ghods forfend they should act bored!).
really, if teachers were allowed to teach & not waste time on stupid
administrative bullcrap, i think that would help. teachers spend up
to 5 hours of the 7 hour school day on admin. stuff, which leaves the
kids either floundering with their workbooks or bored because they've
already finished but can't go further.
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enigma wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in
> :
>
>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>> though.)

>
> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
> only serve the lowest common denomenator
> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
> lee
>

It is really a shame. Some of the brightest kids get turned off.

BTW, NOW, of course, there is also a lot of group work. I think I
have heard nattering about the statewide exams having some group
work too.

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blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>
>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>>> though.)

>> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
>> only serve the lowest common denomenator
>> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
>> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
>> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
>> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
>> lee

>
> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
> surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
> describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
> get in their way.
>
> your pal,
> blake


Well, what do you call it when a kid is forced to work at grade level?

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On Jun 18, 7:38*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:

>
> >> "Jean B." > wrote in
> :

>
> >>> OH....... *I do SO understand this. *(I am sorry that I do,
> >>> though.)
> >> *yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
> >> only serve the lowest common denomenator
> >> *school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
> >> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
> >> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
> >> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
> >> lee

>
> > well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. *but i would be very much
> > surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
> > describe. *they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
> > get in their way.

>
> > your pal,
> > blake

>
> Well, what do you call it when a kid is forced to work at grade level?
>

For the smarter ones, I'd call it a waste.
>
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:56:26 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>>
>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>>>> though.)
>>>
>>> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
>>> only serve the lowest common denomenator
>>> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
>>> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
>>> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
>>> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
>>> lee

>>
>> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
>> surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
>> describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
>> get in their way.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake

>
> You'd argue with a brick wall just to be contrary wouldn't you?
>
> <sigh>


no. i just think school has changed in the last forty-odd years. hell,
when *i* was in elementary school, when it came to reading they told one
girl to sit in the back and read whatever she wanted to while the teacher
dealt with the rest of us.

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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:38:36 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>>
>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>>>> though.)
>>> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
>>> only serve the lowest common denomenator
>>> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
>>> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
>>> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
>>> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
>>> lee

>>
>> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
>> surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
>> describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
>> get in their way.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake

>
> Well, what do you call it when a kid is forced to work at grade level?


i'm questioning whether that happens that much anymore. if it does, you
might request (in the u.s.) an informal individual instruction plan.

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> BTW, NOW, of course, there is also a lot of group work. I think
> I have heard nattering about the statewide exams having some
> group work too.


can i scream now? that's just such a horrible idea...
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> i'm questioning whether that happens that much anymore. if it
> does, you might request (in the u.s.) an informal individual
> instruction plan.


it certainly does, especially in more rural areas (city/suburban
kids have a few more educational options).
IEPs are worth less than the paper they're written on. it's bad
enough advocating for a developmentally delayed child to get
assistance. trying to get an advanced kid suitable education is like
****ing into the wind. they just don't want to hear it. in most
school districts there's no advanced learning available at ALL until
after 3rd grade, & then it's usually just more workbook type
nonsense.
i have a friend with a going on 6 year old who reads & calculates at
the level of a 17 year old AP student. they let her skip
kindergarten. that's all the accomodation the school will provide. to
say the child is bored silly is an understatement. my friend is
trying to afford a really good private school or tutor so the kid can
work to her real abilities...
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blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:56:26 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>>>>> though.)
>>>> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
>>>> only serve the lowest common denomenator
>>>> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
>>>> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
>>>> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
>>>> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
>>>> lee
>>> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
>>> surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
>>> describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
>>> get in their way.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake

>> You'd argue with a brick wall just to be contrary wouldn't you?
>>
>> <sigh>

>
> no. i just think school has changed in the last forty-odd years. hell,
> when *i* was in elementary school, when it came to reading they told one
> girl to sit in the back and read whatever she wanted to while the teacher
> dealt with the rest of us.
>
> your pal,
> blake


THAT would have been much better!

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blake murphy wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:38:36 -0400, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>>>>> though.)
>>>> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
>>>> only serve the lowest common denomenator
>>>> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
>>>> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
>>>> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
>>>> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
>>>> lee
>>> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
>>> surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
>>> describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
>>> get in their way.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake

>> Well, what do you call it when a kid is forced to work at grade level?

>
> i'm questioning whether that happens that much anymore. if it does, you
> might request (in the u.s.) an informal individual instruction plan.
>
> your pal,
> blake


Oh we tried that. Of course, schools don't like it because it
costs them money. I could tell even worse stories about my
daughter's brilliant friend.

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>> BTW, NOW, of course, there is also a lot of group work. I think
>> I have heard nattering about the statewide exams having some
>> group work too.

>
> can i scream now? that's just such a horrible idea...
> lee
>


I obviously agree. But that is the direction things are going in
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enigma wrote:
> blake murphy > wrote in
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>
>> i'm questioning whether that happens that much anymore. if it
>> does, you might request (in the u.s.) an informal individual
>> instruction plan.

>
> it certainly does, especially in more rural areas (city/suburban
> kids have a few more educational options).
> IEPs are worth less than the paper they're written on. it's bad
> enough advocating for a developmentally delayed child to get
> assistance. trying to get an advanced kid suitable education is like
> ****ing into the wind. they just don't want to hear it. in most
> school districts there's no advanced learning available at ALL until
> after 3rd grade, & then it's usually just more workbook type
> nonsense.
> i have a friend with a going on 6 year old who reads & calculates at
> the level of a 17 year old AP student. they let her skip
> kindergarten. that's all the accomodation the school will provide. to
> say the child is bored silly is an understatement. my friend is
> trying to afford a really good private school or tutor so the kid can
> work to her real abilities...
> lee


I am sighing here. My daughter's friend's mother is a
psychiatrist who specializes in such things, and she really knows
the ins and outs, the law, etc., but she couldn't get what her son
needed. I last heard she was planning to sue the town!

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> I am sighing here. My daughter's friend's mother is a
> psychiatrist who specializes in such things, and she really
> knows the ins and outs, the law, etc., but she couldn't get what
> her son needed. I last heard she was planning to sue the town!


oh? let me know how that turns out please? i'm afraid the town will
find an out in the "reasonable accomodation" part of the law...
apparently allowing bright kids to work to their ability is
"unreasonable" & too much work for the teachers & other students. i'd
be delighted to be proven wrong, plus, even though it's a different
state, it might count as precedence if my friend needs to sue.
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> "Jean B." > wrote in
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>
>> I am sighing here. My daughter's friend's mother is a
>> psychiatrist who specializes in such things, and she really
>> knows the ins and outs, the law, etc., but she couldn't get what
>> her son needed. I last heard she was planning to sue the town!

>
> oh? let me know how that turns out please? i'm afraid the town will
> find an out in the "reasonable accomodation" part of the law...
> apparently allowing bright kids to work to their ability is
> "unreasonable" & too much work for the teachers & other students. i'd
> be delighted to be proven wrong, plus, even though it's a different
> state, it might count as precedence if my friend needs to sue.
> lee
>

Will do. So far, it has been most discouraging. I figure if she,
who is an expert in such things, can't get things done, who can?

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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:24:45 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:56:26 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>>>>>> though.)
>>>>> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
>>>>> only serve the lowest common denomenator
>>>>> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
>>>>> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
>>>>> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
>>>>> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
>>>>> lee
>>>> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
>>>> surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
>>>> describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
>>>> get in their way.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>> You'd argue with a brick wall just to be contrary wouldn't you?
>>>
>>> <sigh>

>>
>> no. i just think school has changed in the last forty-odd years. hell,
>> when *i* was in elementary school, when it came to reading they told one
>> girl to sit in the back and read whatever she wanted to while the teacher
>> dealt with the rest of us.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake

>
> THAT would have been much better!


this girl was a pip. i remember vividly that she used to have strips of
raw green pepper packed in her lunch, which the rest of us thought was
extremely weird.

your pal,
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> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:24:45 -0400, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:56:26 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>>>>>>> though.)
>>>>>> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
>>>>>> only serve the lowest common denomenator
>>>>>> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
>>>>>> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
>>>>>> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
>>>>>> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
>>>>>> lee
>>>>> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
>>>>> surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
>>>>> describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
>>>>> get in their way.
>>>>>
>>>>> your pal,
>>>>> blake
>>>> You'd argue with a brick wall just to be contrary wouldn't you?
>>>>
>>>> <sigh>
>>> no. i just think school has changed in the last forty-odd years. hell,
>>> when *i* was in elementary school, when it came to reading they told one
>>> girl to sit in the back and read whatever she wanted to while the teacher
>>> dealt with the rest of us.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake

>> THAT would have been much better!

>
> this girl was a pip. i remember vividly that she used to have strips of
> raw green pepper packed in her lunch, which the rest of us thought was
> extremely weird.
>
> your pal,
> blake


I admire folks who exhibit some individuality. But it must have
made things very difficult for her in her younger years.

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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:35:56 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:24:45 -0400, Jean B. wrote:
>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:56:26 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC), enigma wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OH....... I do SO understand this. (I am sorry that I do,
>>>>>>>> though.)
>>>>>>> yeah, i'm sorry that you do too, because it means that schools still
>>>>>>> only serve the lowest common denomenator
>>>>>>> school should not be one size fits all, because kids are all
>>>>>>> different, with different strengths & weaknesses, different interests
>>>>>>> & different learning styles. do we really need to still be producing
>>>>>>> more generations of little robots to serve as worker bees? sheesh.
>>>>>>> lee
>>>>>> well, that's still one of the unspoken aims. but i would be very much
>>>>>> surprised if modern schools actually stomped on the gifted as you and jean
>>>>>> describe. they might not *help* them much, but i don't think they actually
>>>>>> get in their way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> your pal,
>>>>>> blake
>>>>> You'd argue with a brick wall just to be contrary wouldn't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> <sigh>
>>>> no. i just think school has changed in the last forty-odd years. hell,
>>>> when *i* was in elementary school, when it came to reading they told one
>>>> girl to sit in the back and read whatever she wanted to while the teacher
>>>> dealt with the rest of us.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>> THAT would have been much better!

>>
>> this girl was a pip. i remember vividly that she used to have strips of
>> raw green pepper packed in her lunch, which the rest of us thought was
>> extremely weird.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake

>
> I admire folks who exhibit some individuality. But it must have
> made things very difficult for her in her younger years.


as i recall, she didn't really take a lot of heat for it. the teacher in
question must have handled it pretty well.

but the demographics were such that even most of the non-gifted kids were
bound for college anyway. (years hence, of course.)

your pal,
blake
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