On Sat, 02 May 2009 17:42:22 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 May 2009 19:46:38 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>>
>> Hmmm.Yesnomaybe. Take dishwashing liquid, for example. I've noticed that
>> most store/generic products available here contain the same 'active
>> ingredient' as the brand names - but the majority of the store/generic
>> products tend to water the aforementioned ingredients down by at least
>> a factor of two... So one needs to use twice as more to get the same
>> result. Don't see any cost-saving in that.
>
>yeah, i forgot dishwashing liquid. i really like ajax. you're right that
>the generics seem to lack oomph.
>
Then there are people like me who water down liquid soap anyway.

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"sf" > wrote in message
>>yeah, i forgot dishwashing liquid. i really like ajax. you're right that
>>the generics seem to lack oomph.
>>
> Then there are people like me who water down liquid soap anyway.

The lady that does our cleaning at work is always watering down stuff. You
need X amount of cleaner to get the proper results. Adding water may make
some products more pourable, so you just use more by volume to get the
results needed.

She also admonished me for buying Palmolive at 2.08 since Ajax is only 1.78.
Note that a container will also last us about a year in the office break
room.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> The lady that does our cleaning at work is always watering down stuff. You
> need X amount of cleaner to get the proper results. Adding water may make
> some products more pourable, so you just use more by volume to get the
> results needed.
>
> She also admonished me for buying Palmolive at 2.08 since Ajax is only 1.78.
> Note that a container will also last us about a year in the office break
> room.


All my cleaning products come from Melaleuca. Aside from being
environmental products, and very effective, they all come in a
concentrated form so that there is less weight to ship. You buy a bottle
of cleaner and a get a reusable spray bottle for that product and dilute
as per directions. As an example, the Tough & Tender cleaner for
counters, stove tops etc costs about twice per jug as much as a name
brand products but is diluted about 4 to 1, so it is actually about half
the price. Their dish washer detergent costs about half as much as name
brands but you only use 1/4 the amount, so it is cheaper... and it does
a great job even with out hard water.

On Apr 30, 1:11*pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> Thanks go to Terry ("Prfesser") for this survey.
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy

I buy the store brand when it comes to:

oatmeal
powdered milk
baking cocoa
canned tomatoes
bleach (is bleach is bleach...)
sour cream
cottage cheese
trash bags
aluminum foil
plastic wrap

To change the subject - I bought a 100 oz. bottle of EVO and 'timed'
it. Lasted 8 months. So, it paid to buy the biggie and split it up
between some smaller bottles and cruets. It was about 24 bucks, but
was still the cheapest unit price on the shelf.

On Sun, 3 May 2009 05:57:50 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>bleach (is bleach is bleach...)

I thought there was "color safe" bleach too.



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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On May 1, 11:26*am, "James Silverton" >
wrote:
> *blake *wrote *on Fri, 01 May 2009 16:09:07 GMT:
>
> >> *Terry *wrote *on Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:45:39 -0500:
>
> >>>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> >>>> Thanks go to Terry ("Prfesser") for this survey.
>
> >>> I looked in the pantry and realized that most of what I buy
> >>> is Kroger brand. *Flour, sugar, most staples, canned goods,
> >>> snacks, most cereals...except for Post Raisin Bran
> >>> and Cheerios. *Real Cheerios. Tried and tried, but I've
> >>> never found a store brand that could match 'em.
>
> >> I often buy herbs and spices from the local health-foodco-op
> >> but I buy store brands if at all possible.
> > where is this co-op, james? *do they have bulk bin spices?
>
> Hi Blake,
> I think they are called the Cabin John Co-op these days. They used to be
> in Bethesda but are now just off Seven Locks, near the intersection with
> MacArthur, really in Cabin John. They have large containers of herbs,
> spices, cereals and dried fruits. You take as much as you wish and they
> weigh it at the register. Their vegs areorganicand don't look too
> pretty but are probably healthy.

Trust Former president George Bush = They may not look good; they they
are more healthy!:


http://www.newsweek.com/id/180097

No White House Food Fight
By Holly Bailey | NEWSWEEK
Published Jan 17, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Jan 26, 2009

When Barack Obama was elected, foodies rejoiced. Finally, they
thought, a president who enjoys the pleasures of fine dining and the
virtues of healthy eating! A leader who feels our pain about the
skyrocketing price of arugula! In November, San Francisco chef Alice
Waters, a pioneer of the organic-food movement, wrote an open letter
to the president-elect, suggesting that his eating habits could set an
example for the rest of the country. Waters, along with Gourmet
magazine's Ruth Reichl and New York restaurateur Danny Meyer, offered
to serve as Obama's informal "kitchen cabinet." Their first
suggestion: Obama should hire a new White House chef who would cook
local, seasonal, organic meals for the first family, preferably with
items grown in a presidential garden. Soon enough, big-name candidates
for the job began to circulate, including Art Smith, Oprah Winfrey's
personal chef, and Rick Bayless, the man behind Chicago's Topolobampo,
one of the Obamas' favorite haunts. But then Michelle Obama announced
that the family would stick with Cristeta Comerford, President Bush's
chef since 2005 and the first woman to hold the job. A minor kerfuffle
erupted. They kept Bush's chef? Had Obama offended the foodies?

It turns out the gastronomers didn't have their facts straight, so
they ended up with egg on their faces. While Bush never hid his love
for hot dogs and burgers, Comerford had actually been serving organic
meals to the outgoing family for years. "It's too bad we didn't know
that," says Reichl, though she insists that she and her comrades were
never calling for Comerford's head. That said, Reichl hopes that the
Obamas will be more forthcoming about what's on their plates than the
Bushes were.

If so, it'll probably have to come from the horse's mouth. The White
House residence staff is vigilant about the first family's privacy;
Comerford, a naturalized citizen from the Philippines, declined to
speak with NEWSWEEK. Reichl, though, is undaunted. She dreams of a day
when the White House kitchen has its own press office and regularly
publishes its menu. "Food choices matter," she says. "If you have
wholesome food being served at the most visible address in the United
States, it means something to the rest of us."

On Sun, 03 May 2009 09:14:52 -0700 in rec.food.cooking, sf
> wrote,
>On Sun, 3 May 2009 05:57:50 -0700 (PDT),
>wrote:
>
>>bleach (is bleach is bleach...)
>
>I thought there was "color safe" bleach too.

I'd consider that a completely separate product.

If you are buying straight chlorine bleach, with no perfumes or
detergents in it, and the percentage of Sodium Hypochlorite listed on
the label is the same (often 5.25% for household strength) then all
brands are the same thing.

"David Harmon" wrote
> sf wrote:
>>
>>>bleach (is bleach is bleach...)
>>
>>I thought there was "color safe" bleach too.
>
> I'd consider that a completely separate product.
>
> If you are buying straight chlorine bleach, with no perfumes or
> detergents in it, and the percentage of Sodium Hypochlorite listed on
> the label is the same (often 5.25% for household strength) then all
> brands are the same thing.
>
That's a big "If"... typically the store/generic bleach is not full
strength, it's usually about a full percentage point lower... which is okay
for laundry as most folks tend to add too much bleach anyway. The same with
vinegar, the name brands are a full 5% acidity but the store/generics are
often diluted to 4%... with pickling full 5% vinegar is important.

In article
>,
wrote:

(snip)
> bleach (is bleach is bleach...)

Ezzackly.

> sour cream
(snip)

I don't know what in your carton of sour cream but all of the stuff I
see up here has a whole crapload of stuff in the ingredient list‹except
for Daisy brand. See http://www.daisybrand.com/
"Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. Contains Milk. Grade A. No
Additives" My niece was shocked when she looked at the ingredient
list on the stuff she'd been buying.

My carton of Daisy Light Sour Cream has (along with cultured cream and
skim milk) Vitamin A palmitate in it‹dunno what that is.
--
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"What you say about someone else says more
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On Tue, 05 May 2009 08:30:46 -0500, Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article
> >,
> wrote:
>
> (snip)
>> bleach (is bleach is bleach...)
>
> Ezzackly.
>
>> sour cream
> (snip)
>
> I don't know what in your carton of sour cream but all of the stuff I
> see up here has a whole crapload of stuff in the ingredient list‹except
> for Daisy brand. See http://www.daisybrand.com/
> "Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. Contains Milk. Grade A. No
> Additives" My niece was shocked when she looked at the ingredient
> list on the stuff she'd been buying.
>
> My carton of Daisy Light Sour Cream has (along with cultured cream and
> skim milk) Vitamin A palmitate in it‹dunno what that is.

daisy is pretty good. i seem to recall it being a little cheaper than
breakstone's (which is apparently knudsen in the west). both are i think
better than my local store brand (giant).

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Tue, 05 May 2009 08:30:46 -0500, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > wrote:
> >
> > (snip)
> >> bleach (is bleach is bleach...)
> >
> > Ezzackly.
> >
> >> sour cream
> > (snip)
> >
> > I don't know what in your carton of sour cream but all of the stuff I
> > see up here has a whole crapload of stuff in the ingredient list‹except
> > for Daisy brand. See http://www.daisybrand.com/
> > "Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. Contains Milk. Grade A. No
> > Additives" My niece was shocked when she looked at the ingredient
> > list on the stuff she'd been buying.
> >
> > My carton of Daisy Light Sour Cream has (along with cultured cream and
> > skim milk) Vitamin A palmitate in it‹dunno what that is.
>
> daisy is pretty good. i seem to recall it being a little cheaper than
> breakstone's (which is apparently knudsen in the west). both are i think
> better than my local store brand (giant).
>
> your pal,
> blake

We've used Daisy for years. It has always been reliable!
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

Omelet wrote on Tue, 05 May 2009 12:51:25 -0500:

>> On Tue, 05 May 2009 08:30:46 -0500, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>
> >> In article
> >>
> >> ps.com>, wrote:
> >>
> >> (snip)
> >>> bleach (is bleach is bleach...)
> >>
> >> Ezzackly.
> >>
> >>> sour cream
> >> (snip)
> >>
> >> I don't know what in your carton of sour cream but all of
> >> the stuff I see up here has a whole crapload of stuff in
> >> the ingredient list‹except for Daisy brand. See
> >> http://www.daisybrand.com/
> >> "Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. Contains Milk. Grade
> >> A. No Additives" My niece was shocked when she looked at
> >> the ingredient list on the stuff she'd been buying.
> >>
> >> My carton of Daisy Light Sour Cream has (along with
> >> cultured cream and skim milk) Vitamin A palmitate in
> >> it‹dunno what that is.
>>
>> daisy is pretty good. i seem to recall it being a little
>> cheaper than breakstone's (which is apparently knudsen in the
>> west). both are i think better than my local store brand
>> (giant).
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake

> We've used Daisy for years. It has always been reliable!

Vitamin A palmitate is the usual (perhaps the only) form of the vitamin
added to dairy products.
--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> In article
> >,
> wrote:
>
> (snip)
> > bleach (is bleach is bleach...)
>
> Ezzackly.
>
> > sour cream
> (snip)
>
> I don't know what in your carton of sour cream but all of the stuff I
> see up here has a whole crapload of stuff in the ingredient list‹except
> for Daisy brand. See http://www.daisybrand.com/
> "Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. Contains Milk. Grade A. No
> Additives" My niece was shocked when she looked at the ingredient
> list on the stuff she'd been buying.
>
> My carton of Daisy Light Sour Cream has (along with cultured cream and
> skim milk) Vitamin A palmitate in it‹dunno what that is.


Kroger's also make a 'natural' sour cream without gums etc. Just as good
as Daisy but a bit cheaper.

In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> wrote:
>
> (snip)
> > bleach (is bleach is bleach...)
>
> Ezzackly.
>
> > sour cream
> (snip)
>
> I don't know what in your carton of sour cream but all of the stuff I
> see up here has a whole crapload of stuff in the ingredient list‹except
> for Daisy brand. See http://www.daisybrand.com/
> "Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. Contains Milk. Grade A. No
> Additives" My niece was shocked when she looked at the ingredient
> list on the stuff she'd been buying.
>
> My carton of Daisy Light Sour Cream has (along with cultured cream and
> skim milk) Vitamin A palmitate in it‹dunno what that is.

Vitamin A palmitate is the supplement form of vitamin A.

Cindy

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In article
>
,
Cindy Fuller > wrote:

> In article >,
> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> > I don't know what in your carton of sour cream but all of the stuff I
> > see up here has a whole crapload of stuff in the ingredient list‹except
> > for Daisy brand. See http://www.daisybrand.com/
> > "Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. Contains Milk. Grade A. No
> > Additives" My niece was shocked when she looked at the ingredient
> > list on the stuff she'd been buying.
> >
> > My carton of Daisy Light Sour Cream has (along with cultured cream and
> > skim milk) Vitamin A palmitate in it‹dunno what that is.
>
> Vitamin A palmitate is the supplement form of vitamin A.
>
> Cindy

What's it doing in sour cream, Cindy?

--
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"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

On Thu, 07 May 2009 22:08:30 -0500, Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article
> >
> ,
> Cindy Fuller > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
>>> I don't know what in your carton of sour cream but all of the stuff I
>>> see up here has a whole crapload of stuff in the ingredient list‹except
>>> for Daisy brand. See http://www.daisybrand.com/
>>> "Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. Contains Milk. Grade A. No
>>> Additives" My niece was shocked when she looked at the ingredient
>>> list on the stuff she'd been buying.
>>>
>>> My carton of Daisy Light Sour Cream has (along with cultured cream and
>>> skim milk) Vitamin A palmitate in it‹dunno what that is.
>>
>> Vitamin A palmitate is the supplement form of vitamin A.
>>
>> Cindy
>
> What's it doing in sour cream, Cindy?

so you can be fat *and* healthy.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 04 May 2009 12:48:20 GMT in rec.food.cooking, "brooklyn1"
> wrote,
>"David Harmon" wrote
>> If you are buying straight chlorine bleach, with no perfumes or
>> detergents in it, and the percentage of Sodium Hypochlorite listed on
>> the label is the same (often 5.25% for household strength) then all
>> brands are the same thing.
>>
>That's a big "If"... typically the store/generic bleach is not full
>strength, it's usually about a full percentage point lower.

You are absolutely right about that. I was shopping a few days ago and
I wanted to see just how bad it had gotten. I found a shelf full of
"Simply Value" brand bleach that was labeled 2.75% -- just about half
the standard strength, and the price was not all that much lower.
What a rip.

"David Harmon" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 04 May 2009 12:48:20 GMT in rec.food.cooking, "brooklyn1"
> > wrote,
>>"David Harmon" wrote
>>> If you are buying straight chlorine bleach, with no perfumes or
>>> detergents in it, and the percentage of Sodium Hypochlorite listed on
>>> the label is the same (often 5.25% for household strength) then all
>>> brands are the same thing.
>>>
>>That's a big "If"... typically the store/generic bleach is not full
>>strength, it's usually about a full percentage point lower.
>
> You are absolutely right about that. I was shopping a few days ago and
> I wanted to see just how bad it had gotten. I found a shelf full of
> "Simply Value" brand bleach that was labeled 2.75% -- just about half
> the standard strength, and the price was not all that much lower.
> What a rip.
>
>
Most store brand cleaning products are diluted... the crap sold at the
dollar/99¢ type stores is greatly diluted... so much so that typically you
pay more for the container than what's in it.

brooklyn1 wrote:

> Most store brand cleaning products are diluted... the crap sold at the
> dollar/99¢ type stores is greatly diluted... so much so that typically you
> pay more for the container than what's in it.


Curiously, if they were selling bottled water in the same size jug they
would probably charge more for it than they do for the water down products.

In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> In article
> >
> ,
> Cindy Fuller > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > > I don't know what in your carton of sour cream but all of the stuff I
> > > see up here has a whole crapload of stuff in the ingredient list‹except
> > > for Daisy brand. See http://www.daisybrand.com/
> > > "Ingredients: Grade A Cultured Cream. Contains Milk. Grade A. No
> > > Additives" My niece was shocked when she looked at the ingredient
> > > list on the stuff she'd been buying.
> > >
> > > My carton of Daisy Light Sour Cream has (along with cultured cream and
> > > skim milk) Vitamin A palmitate in it‹dunno what that is.
> >
> > Vitamin A palmitate is the supplement form of vitamin A.
> >
> > Cindy
>
> What's it doing in sour cream, Cindy?

Standard milk is fortified with vitamins A and D. I guess Daisy doesn't
care if we get vitamin D deficiency and doesn't fortify their sour cream
with it.

Cindy

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"Cindy Fuller" > wrote in message
> Standard milk is fortified with vitamins A and D. I guess Daisy doesn't
> care if we get vitamin D deficiency and doesn't fortify their sour cream
> with it.

I certainly don't look to sour cream as an important source of my nutrition
requirements. Spend a few minutes outside and get what you need.

In article >,
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Cindy Fuller" > wrote in message
> > Standard milk is fortified with vitamins A and D. I guess Daisy doesn't
> > care if we get vitamin D deficiency and doesn't fortify their sour cream
> > with it.
>
> I certainly don't look to sour cream as an important source of my nutrition
> requirements. Spend a few minutes outside and get what you need.

Not that simple for those of us in the northern climes, Ed. The UVB
rays that are needed to synthesize vitamin D in the skin are filtered
out by the ozone layer during the winters, which may last up to 6
months. Add to that sunscreen, skin pigmentation, and reduced ability
to make vitamin D with aging and you have a lot of folks walking around
with low vitamin D levels in their blood. Vitamin D has very few
dietary sources, which is why milk has been fortified with vitamin D for
at least 50 years.

OB Food: SO made his signature duck a l'orange for dinner tonight.
Always a hit at our house.

Cindy

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"Cindy Fuller" > wrote in message
> Not that simple for those of us in the northern climes, Ed. The UVB
> rays that are needed to synthesize vitamin D in the skin are filtered
> out by the ozone layer during the winters, which may last up to 6
> months. Add to that sunscreen, skin pigmentation, and reduced ability
> to make vitamin D with aging and you have a lot of folks walking around
> with low vitamin D levels in their blood. Vitamin D has very few
> dietary sources, which is why milk has been fortified with vitamin D for
> at least 50 years.

OK, but how much sour cream do you eat in a month? Probably not enough to
make a difference in your D levels if it was fortified. You may drink a
glass or three of mild a day though, or you take supplements.