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Gourmet's list of 20 inventions that changed cooking
Mark Thorson wrote:
> You can see it he > > http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader > > I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can > get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. > > I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but > I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. > > I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use > a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or > TV set. > > Chimney starter? I use fluid, and before that I used > an electric starter. Either works fine. The chimney > starter doesn't provide any new capability. > > I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much > of it seems bogus. I wouldn't call it bogus, but I wouldn't call any of the items they mention "revolutionary" either. I'd call them conveniences that we could live without but most of us have succumbed to many of them. gloria p |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> You can see it he > > http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader > > I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can > get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. > > I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but > I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. > > I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use > a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or > TV set. > > Chimney starter? I use fluid, and before that I used > an electric starter. Either works fine. The chimney > starter doesn't provide any new capability. > > I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much > of it seems bogus. I think that the whole list if a crock. Non stick frying pans are handy for some things, but I would suggest that the cast iron pan was probably a more significant cooking item than non stick. Air conditioning?? What the hell does that have to to with cooking? I so use times. AAMOF, I bought my wife a quadruple timer from Lee Valley because she had a habit of turning off the oven to reset the timer for multiple dishes. Timers are handly but hardly a significant factor. The chimney starter is a handy gimmick, but it's not as if there was no other way to light charcoal. Plastic wrap is handy, but a vacuum sealer???? I use mine but I survived just fine without one for years. WTF does a dishwasher have to do with cooking? That's another appliance I lived without for a long time and one that I don't often use myself, finding it faster and easier to wash dishes by hand. Microwave?????? I rarely use mine. It is handy for reheating leftovers and for heating up frozen prepared foods, which in my mind, might almost qualify it for a detriment to culinary development. I might consider food processors to be an even better appliance than a blender, since an FP can do a lot of jobs that a blender cannot. Slow cooker? I don't have one and have never had anything cooked in one that could not have been cooked on the stove top or in the oven. The microplane is pretty handy, but there were lots of zesters and grated around before someone adopted a body shop tool for the kitchen. I am sure that Weber fans might disagree, but I have to wonder why they mention the gas grill and the Weber grill. They are both basically BBQ grills. While I use my gas grill as long as it is warm and well lit on the patio, most BBQs tend to be relegated to putting the guy who can't cook in charge of cooking the meat. As for the silpat.... I haev to plead ignorance. I have heard of them and seen them used on cooking shows. While one of my favourite celebrity cooks seems to like it, she says you can use parchment paper. Accordingly, parchment paper would be the one that changed cooking, not the silpat. |
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You can see it he
http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or TV set. Chimney starter? I use fluid, and before that I used an electric starter. Either works fine. The chimney starter doesn't provide any new capability. I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much of it seems bogus. |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0800, Mark Thorson >
shouted from the highest rooftop: > >I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much >of it seems bogus. Not so much "bogus" as superficial IMO. Giving a gas and charcoal BBQ separate listings is pretty silly as well. Whoever put the list together doesn't appear to have given it much thought. -- una cerveza mas por favor ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message ... > You can see it he > > http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader > > I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can > get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. > > I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but > I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. > > I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use > a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or > TV set. > > Chimney starter? I use fluid, and before that I used > an electric starter. Either works fine. The chimney > starter doesn't provide any new capability. > > I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much > of it seems bogus. Yeah, really. I rather think the knife was a big deal. And fire, hard to cook without fire. Although that really isn't an invention I suppose. Paul |
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On Mar 15, 6:36*pm, Gloria P > wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote: > > You can see it he > > >http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...ed-the-way-we-... > > > I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can > > get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. > > > I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but > > I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. > > > I'm not that keen on timers, either. *I used to use > > a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or > > TV set. > > > Chimney starter? *I use fluid, and before that I used > > an electric starter. *Either works fine. *The chimney > > starter doesn't provide any new capability. > > > I'm not going to finish looking at this list. *Too much > > of it seems bogus. > > I wouldn't call it bogus, but I wouldn't call any of the items they > mention "revolutionary" either. *I'd call them conveniences that we > could live without but most of us have succumbed to many of them. > > gloria p They definitely have an odd way of describing revolutionary. The fridge for sure. Machines that chop and puree, easy on the cook. Dish washer, plastic wrap, vacuum sealer, crockpot, mechanical timer, television, microwave and the Internet, convenience. Silpat, AC, overnight delivery, microplane, Tupperware (the brand), grills and gas grills, chimney starter, non-stick cookwa I get along nicely without thankyouverymuch Summer if I'm going to bake or use the oven, I start early in the morning, and use a fan to get rid of the excess heat after I'm done. More usual, tho, is to simply plan menus that don't require the oven. Simple enough. maxine in ri |
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bob wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0800, Mark Thorson > > shouted from the highest rooftop: > >> I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much >> of it seems bogus. > > Not so much "bogus" as superficial IMO. Giving a gas and charcoal BBQ > separate listings is pretty silly as well. Whoever put the list > together doesn't appear to have given it much thought. > > Done by committee, do you suppose? gloria p |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote: >You can see it he > >http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader > >I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can >get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. > >I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but >I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. > I haven't either, but I've visited other parts of the country/world when I was grateful to have one. >I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use >a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or >TV set. > Oh, I need a timer just to boil water. I tend to wander off, do something else and forget I've got something boiling on the stove - it's not an age thing either, it's something I've done all my life. > >I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much >of it seems bogus. Maybe it's one of those Manhattan conversation starters. That list is stretching it for me too. I don't use a chimney, a vacuum sealer, silpat, a microplane, a crockpot, and I don't use my microwave to cook... but others on this ng do. -- I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond. Mae West |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:56:53 -0600, Gloria P >
wrote: >bob wrote: >> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0800, Mark Thorson > >> shouted from the highest rooftop: >> >>> I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much >>> of it seems bogus. >> >> Not so much "bogus" as superficial IMO. Giving a gas and charcoal BBQ >> separate listings is pretty silly as well. Whoever put the list >> together doesn't appear to have given it much thought. >> >> > > >Done by committee, do you suppose? > Sounds more like it was done by people who don't cook much and don't have much experience *not* using those items. I gave Tupperware an ok because it has spawned other products that we can buy on the grocery store shelf now. Let's say it was an excellent idea back in the day and the concept has evolved. -- I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond. Mae West |
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Yes, mostly bogus and convenience, but you do have to admit that a
fridge is pretty useful. Hard to imagine what it would have been like to keep a kitchen a hundred years ago without one. And to the chimney haters - I don't do much grilling, but hate the smell of lighter fluid, either applied by me or in those quick-start briquettes. Made my chimney starter from a coffee can. Works great. B |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:45:56 -0600, Christine Dabney
> wrote: >I don't see it that some of those things were a total revolution in >themselves, but what fruit they bore in the long run. That "chimney" idea didn't spring up out of thin air. My grandfather used coffee cans and he put holes around the bottom with a church key. It wasn't his idea (as far as I know) was courtesy of Grandma, who was a County Extension Agent in Michigan back in the day ('50s-60's) before she retired and they moved to join us in sunny Calif. Grandpa didn't drink coffee or beer, so you know he was an advocate of those chimneys because he had to get can donations from his friends. -- I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond. Mae West |
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bulka wrote:
> > And to the chimney haters - I don't do much grilling, but hate the > smell of lighter fluid, either applied by me or in those quick-start > briquettes. Made my chimney starter from a coffee can. Works great. Quick-start briquettes do impart a horrible flavor, but handled properly liquid starter gets completely burnt off. As long as areas touched by the fluid get really hot, it all gets baked off or burnt. |
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On Sun 15 Mar 2009 04:02:08p, Mark Thorson told us...
> You can see it he > > http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...he-way-we-cook > ?slide=1#showHeader Personally, I would hardly call many, if any, of these choices "revolutionary", but some certainly added convenience to the kitchen/cooking environment. 1. Non-stick coating... In general, if you have decent cookware, non- stick coatings don't provide a huge advantage except, perhaps, for cooking eggs. While it's true that things don't stick to most of them, with good cookware and proper cooking techniques, foods don't stick to many cooking services. Where they can be a distinct advantage is in very thin cheap cookware which is prone to burning and sticking food. 2. Air conditioning... Because my dad was an HVAC engineer, I never lived in a home that didn't have air conditioning. Many people would agree that it provides a comfortable and consistent living environment. Unless you live in a climate where temperatures and/or humidity soar in the summer, I don't see that it provides a huge advantage to cooking. Living in Arizona, however, it's an essential that I could/would absolutely not live without, cooking included. 3. Timers... I don't own, need, or want any external stand-alone timers, but if my appliances (range, microwaves, toaster ovens, etc.), didn't have their own timers I would consider them essential for many things, especially baking, roasting, etc. 4. Chimney starter... Since I haven't used charcoal in 35 years, it certainly isn't an essential to me. For those who do use charcoal, there are numerous easy ways to start a charcoal fire. Perhaps those who use these find thm easier, less messy, and more convenient than other methods. 5. Plastic wrap... Originally developed as an improvement over waxed paper, it is an essential in my kitchen. It performs better for most uses, although both waxed paper and parchment paper have unique uses where plastic wrap cannot be substituted. 6. Television... Julia Child, in particular, started a cooking revolutioin that brought good food and good cooking techniques to the masses. Other television cooks have frequently made positive offerings as well. 7. Vacuum sealers... I don't own one and probably wouldn't use it much if I did. I can understand what many people feel the advantages may be, but they're unimportant to me. A heavy weight plastic bag and soda straw suffice for my needs. 8. Dishwashers... An absolute essential in my kitchen. I would most likely cook infrequently if I had to clean up after myself. I grew up with one in every house we lived in, and it was my first purchase in the first apartment I rented that didn't have one. I know dishwashers are subjective, though, as many proclaim to enjoy washing dishes by hand. 9. Silpat... I bought a sheet once and threw it out after a couple of uses. Just another damned thing to clean. Parchment is just as effective, IMO, and I'd rather dispose of it rather than clean it. 10. Refrigerators (and/or freezers)... A total revolution to the kitchen and cooking. Before refrigerators, most home cooks had to shop almost daily to provide fresh food for the table. Refrigerators also spawned many dishes that simply weren't possible with ice boxes or "nothing" to keep food at low storage or frozen temperatures. 11. Overnight freight... An absolute and total waste of money, IMO. The cost of overnight freight today almost always is greater than the item being shipped. I can't think of anything I need that badly to warrant such a cost. 12. The Internet... As much as I love owning cookbooks, the ease of locating a huge assortment of recipes on the Internet has no comparison. For those who cannot afford to build a substantial library of cookbooks, searching the Internet for recipes and/or sharing them with others, saves hours of laborious searching through libraries or enquiring about them from others. 13. Food procesors... An absolute essential among my kitchen appliances. I owned the first model offered in the US, the Robot-Coupe. I couldn't believe how much time it saved in food prep. There are probably a number of dishes I make that I wouldn't bother with if I didn't have a food processor. My orignal Robot-Coupe was replaced after a decade with a Cuisinart and a Hamilton Beach. The Robot-Coupe was replaced because of a broken workbowl which, at the time, couldn't be replaced. The brand is of such high quality, I would buy an imported Robot-Coupe if I could afford today's prices. 14. Gas grills... My decided preference over charcoal. I prefer it's almost instant heat, convenience, temperature accuracy, lack of mess, etc. The model I own has a drawer to hold wood chips to add a smoke flavor. 15. Microplane graters... A true advance over ordinary grater, particularly for certain food itemks. Yet, ordinary graters also have advantages over microplanes. I wouldn't part with either. 16. Blenders... Blenders have been around a lot longer than most people realize. Although entire cookbooks have been written for their use, IMO there are a few basic uses that nothing else can duplicate, not even food processors. 17. Slow cookers... Like the Robot Coupe, the original Crock-Pot was an early addition to my kitchen. I later replaced it with a similar model with a removable crock, then later added a larger oval-shaped model. I have tried many recipes either designed for or adapted for the slow cooker. In the vast majority of cases, I found the final product inferior to the original cooking method. I can't believe that so many people use them numerous times a week to put a dinner on the table. 18. Tupperware... Years ago I bought a rather large collection of Tupperware pieces. I don't have many any longer, as I really prefer storing in the old-style glass refrigerator containers. I do like the cheap, disposable plastic containers for storing food in the freezer, however. Tupperware, as a brand, seems terrifically overpriced. 19. Microwaves... Like the Robot Coupe and the Crock-Pot, a first generation microwave was an early addtion to my kitchen. An Amana, it came with a large hard-bound cookbook with some decent and some very contrived recipes. Newer technology has made them a better cooking medium, although I have to say that I almost never cook a "meal" in the microwave. It is usually used to reheat, defrost, or an interim step in a recipe. 20. Weber Grill... Never owned one. Grew up with a huge wood-fired brick and stone barbecue in the back yard. It produced great food, but I wouldn't trade it for a gas grill. The main advantage of a Weber kettle or similar grill is its portability. -- Wayne Boatwright "One man's meat is another man's poison" - Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709. |
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > 2. Air conditioning... Because my dad was an HVAC engineer, I never lived > in a home that didn't have air conditioning. > > 8. Dishwashers... An absolute essential in my kitchen. I would most > likely cook infrequently if I had to clean up after myself. I grew up > with one in every house we lived in, and it was my first purchase in the > first apartment I rented that didn't have one. I know dishwashers are > subjective, though, as many proclaim to enjoy washing dishes by hand. Geez Louise! You grew up like Richie Rich or George W. Bush! Probably don't even know what shit smells like because always had servants to .. . . I'll let Sheldon finish that sentence. Do you even know what a bread crust is? Or were they all sliced off your sandwiches before you ever saw them? Diary entry -- "Found seed in orange juice, had cook flogged." ENJOY WASHING DISHES ??? Seen it in paintings, have you, Richie? Happy peasants washing dishes? If I were a painter, I'd paint pictures of happy peasants cleaning cat litter boxes. And I'd sell them to the ruling class, who would assume they reflected an underlying reality that supported their imagination of the natural order of things. I bet they'd sell pretty well, too. Especially in Texas. And other places where they use air conditioning and Mexicans. Happy Mexicans. |
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Mark Thorson said...
> You can see it he > > http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...he-way-we-cook > ?slide=1#showHeader > > I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can > get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. > > I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but > I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. > > I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use > a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or > TV set. > > Chimney starter? I use fluid, and before that I used > an electric starter. Either works fine. The chimney > starter doesn't provide any new capability. > > I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much > of it seems bogus. They forgot Mandolines George Forman Grill Toasters Refrigerators, from another poster, In England, they kept kegs of beer underground as a method to keep it cool. I remember in Oxford, at a hotel I had a rum 'n' coke but had to BEG for ice cubes. They were seriously stingy. A breakfast thing??? <VBG> Best, Andy |
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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message ... > Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> >> 2. Air conditioning... Because my dad was an HVAC engineer, I never >> lived >> in a home that didn't have air conditioning. >> >> 8. Dishwashers... An absolute essential in my kitchen. I would most >> likely cook infrequently if I had to clean up after myself. I grew up >> with one in every house we lived in, and it was my first purchase in the >> first apartment I rented that didn't have one. I know dishwashers are >> subjective, though, as many proclaim to enjoy washing dishes by hand. > > Geez Louise! You grew up like Richie Rich or > George W. Bush! Probably don't even know what > shit smells like because always had servants to > . . . I'll let Sheldon finish that sentence. I'm about he same age as Wayne. Middle class family and AC all the way. I think we were the first on our block. I did not have a dishwasher until I bought my first house at 20. Have not been without one since. |
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>, Dan Abel > wrote: > In article >, > sf > wrote: > > > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:45:56 -0600, Christine Dabney > > > wrote: > > > > >I don't see it that some of those things were a total revolution in > > >themselves, but what fruit they bore in the long run. > > > > That "chimney" idea didn't spring up out of thin air. My grandfather > > used coffee cans and he put holes around the bottom with a church key. > > It wasn't his idea (as far as I know) was courtesy of Grandma, who was > > a County Extension Agent in Michigan back in the day ('50s-60's) > > before she retired and they moved to join us in sunny Calif. Grandpa > > didn't drink coffee or beer, so you know he was an advocate of those > > chimneys because he had to get can donations from his friends. > > Big juice cans worked fine also. I don't remember what we used 50 years > ago. Cut off the top and bottom, add holes with the church key. Add > crumpled newspaper and briquets. Light with a match through the holes. > Use a pair of offset pliers to lift the can off when the coals were > ready. What a cool idea! How many holes? Just around the edges or what? -- Peace! Om I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I'm about he same age as Wayne. Middle class family and AC all the way. I > think we were the first on our block. I did not have a dishwasher until I > bought my first house at 20. Have not been without one since. > I think I'm 15-20 years younger than Wayne, but we always had dishwashers and air conditioning growing up in Dallas. |
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On Mon 16 Mar 2009 12:20:07a, Mark Thorson told us...
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking > Subject: Gourmet's list of 20 inventions that changed cooking (long > response) From: Mark Thorson > > > Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> >> 2. Air conditioning... Because my dad was an HVAC engineer, I never >> lived in a home that didn't have air conditioning. >> >> 8. Dishwashers... An absolute essential in my kitchen. I would most >> likely cook infrequently if I had to clean up after myself. I grew up >> with one in every house we lived in, and it was my first purchase in >> the first apartment I rented that didn't have one. I know dishwashers >> are subjective, though, as many proclaim to enjoy washing dishes by >> hand. > > Geez Louise! You grew up like Richie Rich or > George W. Bush! Probably don't even know what > shit smells like because always had servants to > . . . I'll let Sheldon finish that sentence. Give a guy a break, Mark. I grew up as the only child in an upper middle class family. My parents weren't wealthy, but my dad made a very comfortable living. Most homes in our neighborhood had dishwashers and automatic clothes washers and dryers. Not everyone had central air conditioning. We didn't have "servants", but we did have a yard man and my mother did have a cleaning lady. My mother did all the cooking and some of th cleaning she preferred doing herself. -- Wayne Boatwright "One man's meat is another man's poison" - Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709. |
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On Mar 16, 3:20*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote: > > > 2. *Air conditioning... *Because my dad was an HVAC engineer, I never lived > > in a home that didn't have air conditioning. > > > 8. *Dishwashers... *An absolute essential in my kitchen. *I would most > > likely cook infrequently if I had to clean up after myself. *I grew up > > with one in every house we lived in, and it was my first purchase in the > > first apartment I rented that didn't have one. *I know dishwashers are > > subjective, though, as many proclaim to enjoy washing dishes by hand. > > Geez Louise! *You grew up like Richie Rich or > George W. Bush! *Probably don't even know what > shit smells like because always had servants to > . . . I'll let Sheldon finish that sentence. > > Do you even know what a bread crust is? *Or were > they all sliced off your sandwiches before you > ever saw them? *Diary entry -- "Found seed in > orange juice, had cook flogged." > > ENJOY WASHING DISHES ??? *Seen it in paintings, > have you, Richie? *Happy peasants washing dishes? > If I were a painter, I'd paint pictures of > happy peasants cleaning cat litter boxes. > And I'd sell them to the ruling class, who would > assume they reflected an underlying reality > that supported their imagination of the natural > order of things. *I bet they'd sell pretty well, > too. *Especially in Texas. *And other places > where they use air conditioning and Mexicans. > Happy Mexicans. Sounding a little jealous, aren't you? I know there are folks in this world who had it better than me, or had more than we did when growning up, but as a kid, do you have a choice of living in the lap of luxury (as you seem to think Wayne did) or in a cardboard shack? No. Grow up. maxine in ri |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> You can see it he > > http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader > > I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can > get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. > > I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but > I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. > > I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use > a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or > TV set. > > Chimney starter? I use fluid, and before that I used > an electric starter. Either works fine. The chimney > starter doesn't provide any new capability. > > I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much > of it seems bogus. Gee. I use a fraction of these things, and some don't sound like a good idea at all. 1. Nonstick coating--turns out not to be good for you, among other things. 2. Air conditioning--depends on one's climate I suppose. I don't like, say, using the oven or otherwise generating much heat when I have the AC on. If I do have to cook something for an extended period when it is hot, I prefer to do that in the early morning or at night. 3. Timer--yes, I do use them--both for timing (duh) and to remind myself that something is on or something needs to be done. 4. Chimney starter--not applicable to me (now). 5. Plastic wrap--depends on one's definition of cooking; it is not good to COOK with it. Or to wrap fatty foods in it. 6. TV--well, mom used to watch Julia Child et al., so there was probably a carryover effect on my cooking. I don't watch TV. 7. Vacuum sealers--I haven't ever used one. Come to think of it, I do have one, given to me by someone else who didn't use it. 8. Dishwasher--useful, but mine has been broken for years. 9. Silpat--I don't own any. I wonder whether down the line, research will show it is a bad idea, like nonstick coating. 10. Refrigerator--I'll go along with this one. 11. Overnight freight--yes and no. I think ideally we need to buy local produce etc. and eat in season. 12. The Internet--obviously, being here, I agree with this as far as access to recipes and information goes. 13. Food processor--I gave mine away to a former rfc poster years ago and very rarely regret that. 14. Gas grill--if and when I get up the nerve to grill, it will be with charcoal (at least I think so). 15. Microplane--I have never used one and have survived! 16. Blender (or Blendor--they should spell the Waring product correctly)--useful. I think one might have to include stick blenders here.... 17. Slow cooker--I can see this, especially for folks who can't be home cooking for hours before dinner. 18. Tupperware--I prefer containers made of glass/Pyrex. 19. Microwave oven--yes, especially when it comes to reheating. 20. Weber Grill--??? This is an odd list. How about a beater (even the hand-cranked ones were a big improvement on having to beat things for hours, and the electric ones were obviously an improvement over that). Or a coffee grinder (home or store) for those of us who like coffee? Or a stove/range/oven (as vs. using the fireplace? Or indoor plumbing/easy access to water? Or electricity, if you want to get down to basics? -- Jean B. |
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Jean wrote on Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:39:39 -0400:
> Mark Thorson wrote: >> You can see it he >> >> http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader >> >> I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can >> get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. >> >> I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but >> I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. >> >> I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use >> a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or >> TV set. >> >> Chimney starter? I use fluid, and before that I used >> an electric starter. Either works fine. The chimney >> starter doesn't provide any new capability. >> >> I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much >> of it seems bogus. > Gee. I use a fraction of these things, and some don't sound > like a good idea at all. > 1. Nonstick coating--turns out not to be good for you, among other > things. > 2. Air conditioning--depends on one's climate I suppose. I > don't like, say, using the oven or otherwise generating much > heat when I have the AC on. If I do have to cook something > for an extended period when it is hot, I prefer to do that in the > early morning or at night. > 3. Timer--yes, I do use them--both for timing (duh) and to > remind myself that something is on or something needs to be > done. > 4. Chimney starter--not applicable to me (now). > 5. Plastic wrap--depends on one's definition of cooking; it > is not good to COOK with it. Or to wrap fatty foods in it. > 6. TV--well, mom used to watch Julia Child et al., so there > was probably a carryover effect on my cooking. I don't watch TV. > 7. Vacuum sealers--I haven't ever used one. Come to think of > it, I do have one, given to me by someone else who didn't use it. > 8. Dishwasher--useful, but mine has been broken for years. > 9. Silpat--I don't own any. I wonder whether down the line, research > will show it is a bad idea, like nonstick coating. > 10. Refrigerator--I'll go along with this one. > 11. Overnight freight--yes and no. I think ideally we need > to buy local produce etc. and eat in season. > 12. The Internet--obviously, being here, I agree with this as > far as access to recipes and information goes. > 13. Food processor--I gave mine away to a former rfc poster > years ago and very rarely regret that. > 14. Gas grill--if and when I get up the nerve to grill, it > will be with charcoal (at least I think so). > 15. Microplane--I have never used one and have survived! > 16. Blender (or Blendor--they should spell the Waring product > correctly)--useful. I think one might have to include stick blenders > here.... > 17. Slow cooker--I can see this, especially for folks who > can't be home cooking for hours before dinner. > 18. Tupperware--I prefer containers made of glass/Pyrex. > 19. Microwave oven--yes, especially when it comes to > reheating. > 20. Weber Grill--??? > This is an odd list. How about a beater (even the > hand-cranked ones were a big improvement on having to beat > things for hours, and the electric ones were obviously an > improvement over that). > Or a coffee grinder (home or store) for those of us who like > coffee? > Or a stove/range/oven (as vs. using the fireplace? > Or indoor plumbing/easy access to water? > Or electricity, if you want to get down to basics? Also, too many phobias and misstatementsd to counter in one post! -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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Gloria P wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote: >> You can see it he >> >> http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader >> >> >> I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can >> get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. >> >> I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but >> I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. >> >> I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use >> a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or >> TV set. >> >> Chimney starter? I use fluid, and before that I used >> an electric starter. Either works fine. The chimney >> starter doesn't provide any new capability. >> >> I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much >> of it seems bogus. > > > I wouldn't call it bogus, but I wouldn't call any of the items they > mention "revolutionary" either. I'd call them conveniences that we > could live without but most of us have succumbed to many of them. > > gloria p About the only one that I see there is I would call a true step in the evolution of cooking is the refrigerator... |
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"sf" > wrote in message
... > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0800, Mark Thorson > > wrote: > >>You can see it he >> >>http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader >> >>I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can >>get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. >> >>I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but >>I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. >> > I haven't either, but I've visited other parts of the country/world > when I was grateful to have one. > Try living in Bangkok for a couple of years. You'll learn to appreciate an air conditioner. Jill |
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"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
... > In article >, > sf > wrote: > >> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:45:56 -0600, Christine Dabney >> > wrote: >> >> >I don't see it that some of those things were a total revolution in >> >themselves, but what fruit they bore in the long run. >> >> That "chimney" idea didn't spring up out of thin air. My grandfather >> used coffee cans and he put holes around the bottom with a church key. >> It wasn't his idea (as far as I know) was courtesy of Grandma, who was >> a County Extension Agent in Michigan back in the day ('50s-60's) >> before she retired and they moved to join us in sunny Calif. Grandpa >> didn't drink coffee or beer, so you know he was an advocate of those >> chimneys because he had to get can donations from his friends. > > Big juice cans worked fine also. I don't remember what we used 50 years > ago. Cut off the top and bottom, add holes with the church key. Add > crumpled newspaper and briquets. Light with a match through the holes. > Use a pair of offset pliers to lift the can off when the coals were > ready. > > -- > Dan Abel > Petaluma, California USA > Too bad coffee and juice doesn't come in cans anymore. Plastic is all I can find. Those cans certainly did the trick for charcoal briquettes, didn't they Jill |
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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
... > You can see it he > > http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...e=1#showHeader > > I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can > get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. > > I wouldn't put air conditioning on the list, but > I've never lived in a place with an air conditioner. > > I'm not that keen on timers, either. I used to use > a clock, and now I use the clock in my computer or > TV set. > > Chimney starter? I use fluid, and before that I used > an electric starter. Either works fine. The chimney > starter doesn't provide any new capability. > > I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much > of it seems bogus. Number 12. I never thought a computer is necessary in the kitchen. I'm old school: cookbook or recipe card Jill |
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:04:42 +1300, bob wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0800, Mark Thorson > > shouted from the highest rooftop: > >> >>I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much >>of it seems bogus. > > Not so much "bogus" as superficial IMO. Giving a gas and charcoal BBQ > separate listings is pretty silly as well. Whoever put the list > together doesn't appear to have given it much thought. take it for what it is, not some work of philosophy. like any 'top twenty' (or what have you) list, it's mostly fluff and for fun if you have a good time arguing about such things. that said, i do get a lot of use from my kitchen time (a lux, actually), and am surprised it was not invented until 1936 (a time, it should be noted, before every appliance with the possible exception of a toaster had a clock in it). i only wish this one had the single 'ding,' instead of 'brriiing,' which makes me jump every time. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:04:32 -0700, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:45:56 -0600, Christine Dabney > > wrote: > >>I don't see it that some of those things were a total revolution in >>themselves, but what fruit they bore in the long run. > > That "chimney" idea didn't spring up out of thin air. My grandfather > used coffee cans and he put holes around the bottom with a church key. > It wasn't his idea (as far as I know) was courtesy of Grandma, who was > a County Extension Agent in Michigan back in the day ('50s-60's) > before she retired and they moved to join us in sunny Calif. Grandpa > didn't drink coffee or beer, so you know he was an advocate of those > chimneys because he had to get can donations from his friends. i seem to recall using a jerry-rigged version in the boy scouts, which would have been around the mid-sixties. your pal, blake |
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blake murphy wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:04:42 +1300, bob wrote: > >> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:02:08 -0800, Mark Thorson > >> shouted from the highest rooftop: >> >>> I'm not going to finish looking at this list. Too much >>> of it seems bogus. >> Not so much "bogus" as superficial IMO. Giving a gas and charcoal BBQ >> separate listings is pretty silly as well. Whoever put the list >> together doesn't appear to have given it much thought. > > take it for what it is, not some work of philosophy. like any 'top twenty' > (or what have you) list, it's mostly fluff and for fun if you have a good > time arguing about such things. > > that said, i do get a lot of use from my kitchen time (a lux, actually), > and am surprised it was not invented until 1936 (a time, it should be > noted, before every appliance with the possible exception of a toaster had > a clock in it). i only wish this one had the single 'ding,' instead of > 'brriiing,' which makes me jump every time. > > your pal, > blake Yes!!!!! I want an old wind-up timer, that just has one ding. I agree re jumping. It scares me every time. -- Jean B. |
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:14:21 -0600, Omelet >
wrote: >In article >, > Dan Abel > wrote: > >> In article >, >> Big juice cans worked fine also. I don't remember what we used 50 years >> ago. Cut off the top and bottom, add holes with the church key. Add >> crumpled newspaper and briquets. Light with a match through the holes. >> Use a pair of offset pliers to lift the can off when the coals were >> ready. > >What a cool idea! How many holes? Just around the edges or what? Just put them along the perimeter at the bottom. You can't make them too close or else you won't have individual holes. -- I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond. Mae West |
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On Mar 16, 10:36*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:04:32 -0700, sf wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:45:56 -0600, Christine Dabney > > > wrote: > > >>I don't see it that some of those things were a total revolution in > >>themselves, but what fruit they bore in the long run. * > > > That "chimney" idea didn't spring up out of thin air. *My grandfather > > used coffee cans and he put holes around the bottom with a church key. > > It wasn't his idea (as far as I know) was courtesy of Grandma, who was > > a County Extension Agent in Michigan back in the day ('50s-60's) > > before she retired and they moved to join us in sunny Calif. *Grandpa > > didn't drink coffee or beer, so you know he was an advocate of those > > chimneys because he had to get can donations from his friends. > > i seem to recall using a jerry-rigged version in the boy scouts, which > would have been around the mid-sixties. > > your pal, > blake Girl scouts still use them at times. We taught our troop how to make one and use it. Good for windy places where you need to get a fire started<g> maxine in ri |
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In article >,
sf > wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:14:21 -0600, Omelet > > wrote: > > >In article > >, > > Dan Abel > wrote: > > > >> In article >, > > >> Big juice cans worked fine also. I don't remember what we used 50 years > >> ago. Cut off the top and bottom, add holes with the church key. Add > >> crumpled newspaper and briquets. Light with a match through the holes. > >> Use a pair of offset pliers to lift the can off when the coals were > >> ready. > > > >What a cool idea! How many holes? Just around the edges or what? > > Just put them along the perimeter at the bottom. You can't make them > too close or else you won't have individual holes. Thanks. Dad does get canned juices from time to time, so I have them available periodically. -- Peace! Om I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama |
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jmcquown wrote:
> > "Dan Abel" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, > > sf > wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:45:56 -0600, Christine Dabney > >> > wrote: > >> > >> >I don't see it that some of those things were a total revolution in > >> >themselves, but what fruit they bore in the long run. > >> > >> That "chimney" idea didn't spring up out of thin air. My grandfather > >> used coffee cans and he put holes around the bottom with a church key. > >> It wasn't his idea (as far as I know) was courtesy of Grandma, who was > >> a County Extension Agent in Michigan back in the day ('50s-60's) > >> before she retired and they moved to join us in sunny Calif. Grandpa > >> didn't drink coffee or beer, so you know he was an advocate of those > >> chimneys because he had to get can donations from his friends. > > > > Big juice cans worked fine also. I don't remember what we used 50 years > > ago. Cut off the top and bottom, add holes with the church key. Add > > crumpled newspaper and briquets. Light with a match through the holes. > > Use a pair of offset pliers to lift the can off when the coals were > > ready. > > > > -- > > Dan Abel > > Petaluma, California USA > > > > Too bad coffee and juice doesn't come in cans anymore. Plastic is all I can > find. Those cans certainly did the trick for charcoal briquettes, didn't > they > > Jill I recently purchased ground coffee in a 48 oz. aluminum can. The empty cans come in handy for many things besides a charcoal chimney. V8 juice is also available in small individual cans as are other sorts of juices and teas. Sky P.S. I'm not a coffee connoisseur so nearly any brand works well to make mocha -- Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer! Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice |
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In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote: > You can see it he > > http://www.gourmet.com/food/2009/02/...y-we-cook?slid > e=1#showHeader > > I get an error when I click on item 2, but I can > get to item 2 by replacing 1 with 2 in the URL. I got it by clicking "Next, " Mark. :-) I had no 1 to replace with 2 in the URL. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller "What you say about someone else says more about you than it does about the other person." |
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On Mar 16, 9:39*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
> 11. *Overnight freight--yes and no. *I think ideally we need to > buy local produce etc. and eat in season. No. No. No. I don't want to spend half the year eating nothing but parsnips. The ground is frozen solid for three of those months. How do you suggest we feed the millions of people who live in the northern tier of states? Cindy Hamilton |
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Jill,
Kirkland Brand Coffee sold a costco still sell in a cans. Steve |
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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message ... > "Ed Pawlowski" > > : in rec.food.cooking > >> I'm about he same age as Wayne. Middle class family and AC all the >> way. I think we were the first on our block. I did not have a >> dishwasher until I bought my first house at 20. Have not been without >> one since. > > You're about 10 years older than I am. Remember your first microwave? > Actually I could live without a microwave but they sure come in handy > sometimes. > > Michael We didn't get a microwave until about 1985. Now that we have it, we use it frequently. Serves a purpose, but some things are better cooked conventionally. The one we have now is also a convection oven and we use it as a second oven. Handy for big meals. |
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Ed Pawlowski said...
> > "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message > ... >> "Ed Pawlowski" > >> : in rec.food.cooking >> >>> I'm about he same age as Wayne. Middle class family and AC all the >>> way. I think we were the first on our block. I did not have a >>> dishwasher until I bought my first house at 20. Have not been without >>> one since. >> >> You're about 10 years older than I am. Remember your first microwave? >> Actually I could live without a microwave but they sure come in handy >> sometimes. >> >> Michael > > We didn't get a microwave until about 1985. Now that we have it, we use > it frequently. Serves a purpose, but some things are better cooked > conventionally. The one we have now is also a convection oven and we > use it as a second oven. Handy for big meals. The small tabletop convection toaster oven does a great job of cooking small roasts (browning included) in next to no time. Does a superb job roasting chateaubriand (2 lbs.) in 25 minutes, flipping once. Not to mention reheating leftover pizza. The microwave would turn it into some form of cardboard. Hats off to convection oven cooking! Andy |
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