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blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 05:40 PM

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:29:20 GMT, notbob wrote:

> On 2009-03-08, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> I guess you weren't around back then, nb......

>
> You guess wrong. I have my 3 recipes in the book, a fact you'd know if you
> read it.
>
>> was proposed in the aftermath of 9/11 and to the families and victims
>> thereof. The common cause donation was agreed upon relatively easily.

>
> A national tragedy and easily agreed upon. No such rallying point currently
> exists.
>


i suppose we could put together a recession cookbook, with a special
section added for the bloated plutocrats (if any) among us.

your pal,
blake

Janet Wilder[_1_] 09-03-2009 05:44 PM

Ping: Michael "Dog 3"
 
Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Janet Wilder > news:00a63724$0$31678$c3e8da3
> @news.astraweb.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I just got finished reading the February 2009 issue of Reader's Digest.
>> There is a story about the rescue of a young woman by a fire department
>> in Maryland. One of the rescuers was named Michael Lonergan and there

> is
>> a resemblance between the photo in the magazine and yours in the mug
>> shot gallery. Are you this hero?
>>
>> If you are, I'm sure you are very proud.

>
> That Michael Lonergan is related to me but is not me. I was shocked to
> see him in the article my mother sent to me.


I'm sure your family is very proud.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south-Texas

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 05:49 PM

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:40:25 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> Christine Dabney wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:21:00 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>However, I see that some more pages have been posted. If it carries on
>>>this way, we can lay this to rest once and for all - because once
>>>something is published on the net it can never be revoked.

>>
>> Yeah.
>>
>> I wrote earlier about this. It does bother me, as a person who
>> contributed to the cookbook...but also as a member of RFC.
>>
>> None of us (here on RFC and especially the people who worked on the
>> cookbook) were ever asked if we minded if the recipes/cookbook was
>> copied/published in the way it is being done. That to me, is really
>> not respecting us at all...and what we did. It is like someone
>> copying the chapters of my mother's book and publishing them on the
>> web, or posts from my blog.. I would find it highly insulting....and
>> to be honest, I do find it rather insulting that we were not asked if
>> anyone minded if someone did this publishing of the cookbook.

>
> OK. I can understand some of the ire here. But as you may have noticed,
> I haven't put anything up on the site without permission in the past,
> and I don't intend to start now... Why do you think I decided to put up
> the survey about this (once folks started to make their feelings
> known)?
>


just for the record, c.c., i think you maintain the web site in an
even-tempered and i daresay jolly way. most commendable.

your pal,
blake

Omelet[_7_] 09-03-2009 05:51 PM

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In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> >
> > And those who were not part of creating the rfc cookbook really have
> > no voice in the matter and should STFU (Shut The **** up).

>
> <snork>
>
> Like that's ever gonna happen on this group.


<snicker>
Too damned true.
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 05:54 PM

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:34:48 GMT, hahabogus wrote:

> Christine Dabney > wrote in
> :
>
>> Did we mind if our cookbook was
>> copied for all to see?
>>

>
> it was for charity and not personal glory....I do NOT give permission for
> my 3 recipes to be used in anyway not assissting charity in some way.


well, *i* contributed *my* recipes for the personal glory, which i must say
has not exactly been forthcoming.

your pal,
blake

Arri London 09-03-2009 06:12 PM

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Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:21:00 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
> >However, I see that some more pages have been posted. If it carries on
> >this way, we can lay this to rest once and for all - because once
> >something is published on the net it can never be revoked.

>
> Yeah.
>
> I wrote earlier about this. It does bother me, as a person who
> contributed to the cookbook...but also as a member of RFC.
>
> None of us (here on RFC and especially the people who worked on the
> cookbook) were ever asked if we minded if the recipes/cookbook was
> copied/published in the way it is being done. That to me, is really
> not respecting us at all...and what we did. It is like someone
> copying the chapters of my mother's book and publishing them on the
> web, or posts from my blog.. I would find it highly insulting....and
> to be honest, I do find it rather insulting that we were not asked if
> anyone minded if someone did this publishing of the cookbook.
>
> Christine
>


But none of you objected when Rusty *started* putting those recipes
online in rfc. No doubt it would have stopped then and there had someone
had spoken up to begin with. Too late now to say no one asked.

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 06:15 PM

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On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:24:21 -0700 (PDT), Rusty wrote:

>
> People that state that the RFC Cookbook is full of exclusive
> recipes published nowhere else haven't read the book.
>
> The attributions below came from the pages of
> the RFC Cookbook.
>
> How many more recipes are included the without attribution.
>
> Were the original publishers of the recipes below
> contacted and asked for permission before their
> recipes were published and sold?
>
> How can copyright be claimed when the work is full of
> recipes lifed from other cookbooks and magazines without permission?
>
> It would seem the copyright of the RFC Cookbook is
> questionable at best.
>
> RFC Cookbook recipes that came from other sources
>
> - Sweet (and Hot and sour) Broccoli with Pork, page 58 - Jime Lee's
> Chinese cookbook


> - Murph's Chinese-Irish Stew, page 62 - Florence Lin's Chinese One-
> Dish meals


well, for the record of my two recipes the first said 'adapted from' and
the second 'heavily adapted from.' there were substantial changes to both,
which i think obviates any copyright complaints.

as far as i know, ingredient lists cannot be copyrighted (and they were
different anyway), but the narrative can (and mine was very different from
both).

i put the note in to indicate that the recipe didn't spring full-blown from
my forehead, but rather had a starting point in those books. the second
recipe results in a very different dish than the one in the book.

but the point is moot, because no one (except for possibly the disney
people, who seem maniacal about it) pursues copyright complaints unless the
infringement casts them money.

if jim lee or florence lin were to object i would be more than happy to cut
them in for a percentage of my profit from the deal.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 06:22 PM

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:26:05 -0500, Sky wrote:

> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> I have taken the liberty of putting up a survey about this on the RFC
>>> site. Of course there are no 'maybes' or 'MCINLs' in this one.

>
>> The RFC cookbook is copyrighted from 2002- It is not clear from the inside
>> just who owns the copyright.
>>
>> Dimitri

>
> The Cabal (TINC)?
>
> Sky


those ****ers (TANF) have their fingers into everything, don't they?

your pal,
blake

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 06:25 PM

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:35:27 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2009-03-08, Dimitri > wrote:
>>
>>> Copyright © rec.food.cooking 2002.

>>
>> Where's my royalty checks?
>>
>> nb

>
> They're in the mail.


not only are they in the mail, but a form 1099 has been filed with the
internal revenue service.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 06:28 PM

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:20:12 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> All those who contributed contents, that's who... no others have
>> anything to say.

>
> So Sheldon, which recipe(s) did you contribute?


sheldon's spam soufflé is truly yummy.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 06:38 PM

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:13:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>>
>> "ChattyCathy" wrote:
>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> All those who contributed contents, that's who... no others have
>>>> anything to say.
>>>
>>> So Sheldon, which recipe(s) did you contribute?
>>>
>>>

>> So Cathy, you're doubting I contributed.. you trying to say I
>> couldn't, what...

>
> Tsk, tsk, tsk. Don't get all 'iffy', please. I was just asking which
> recipes you contributed. I don't have a copy of 'the RFC Cookbook',
> because it was published before I subscribed to r.f.c. (as you well
> know). However if it was available on-line, we wouldn't be having this
> discussion, now would we?
>
> And no, I'm not prepared to pay US$1,100 for a copy, even if you
> autographed it personally :P


how about if it came with his head on a platter? we could take up a
collection or something.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 06:40 PM

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:49:11 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 8, 1:13*pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> All those who contributed contents, that's who... no others have
>>> >>> anything to say.

>>
>> He has a valid point here -- if contributors object, it shouldn't be
>> reproduced. -aem

>
> Fair enough. But I am still want to know if Sheldon actually did
> contribute any recipes to the RFC Cookbook. He didn't answer my
> question. And forgive me for being a bit insistent about this, but IME,
> Sheldon has always been one of those "I don't need recipes to cook
> anything" people...


a quick riffle through the book shows one for chili, one for corned beef
and one for cheesecake. all desperately needed, since no one knows how to
cook those.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 06:42 PM

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:04:06 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> I don't mind sharing recipes, but no way will I condone violating copyright
> laws to STEAL an entire book. I pray with all my might that the messenger
> of terminal illness visits this nobody douchebag rusty and his family... and
> all those who concur with his scumbaggery.


what, you don't want to personally torture them first? you're getting
soft, sheldon.

blake

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 06:47 PM

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:00:03 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article
>> >,
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 1:13 pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
>>> > brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>> All those who contributed contents, that's who... no others have
>>> > >>> anything to say.
>>>
>>> He has a valid point here -- if contributors object, it shouldn't be
>>> reproduced. -aem

>>
>> But what if some contributors want it available, and some don't? Why
>> not just not post recipes for people who don't want their own recipes
>> posted?
>>
>>

> That's already been done... many people have always posted their recipes
> whenever asked, even when not asked. Anyone who is honestly interested in
> having the recipe wouldn't care that they received it individually... those
> who want the book page version have another agenda, and definitely not
> honest. Folks ought to look up the word "larceny".


yep, there's definitely money involved - big money.

<cocks eyebrow and rubs thumb and forefinger together>

blake

Dora 09-03-2009 06:49 PM

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ChattyCathy wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2009-03-09, Dora > wrote:
>>
>>> I going to sue for violation of copyright? And collect from whom?
>>> Calm down, everyone - don't we all delight in sharing?

>>
>> Apparently not, Dora. :|
>>
>> nb

>
> I dunno. *I* think it makes a pleasant change from 'My fool-proof
> method of boiling/peeling hard cooked eggs', 'Cilantro tastes/does
> not taste like soap', 'Making chicken stock - from scratch' and not
> to forget <Cathy lowers her voice to a whisper> 'How I hate Off-topic
> (OT) posts (even though I post to those threads with gusto when the
> mood takes me)' topics.
>
> ;-)


You left out "how do I season a cast-iron pan?" :-)

blake murphy[_2_] 09-03-2009 06:51 PM

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:22:35 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:

> I for one truly hope
> this rusty douchebag and his family die a horrible lingering most painful
> death.


do your fantasies of inflicting horrible punishment on others give you an
erection, sheldon?

blake

ChattyCathy 09-03-2009 06:57 PM

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blake murphy wrote:

>
> just for the record, c.c., i think you maintain the web site in an
> even-tempered and i daresay jolly way. most commendable.


Thanks, blake.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

ChattyCathy 09-03-2009 07:01 PM

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blake murphy wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:34:48 GMT, hahabogus wrote:
>
>> Christine Dabney > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Did we mind if our cookbook was
>>> copied for all to see?
>>>

>>
>> it was for charity and not personal glory....I do NOT give permission
>> for my 3 recipes to be used in anyway not assissting charity in some
>> way.

>
> well, *i* contributed *my* recipes for the personal glory, which i
> must say has not exactly been forthcoming.
>


That's not good. I'd say we need a new RFC Marketing Department
(TINRMD), pronto. To quote whatsherface, "Off with their heads!"

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Omelet[_7_] 09-03-2009 07:17 PM

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In article >,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> OTOH, if anyone requests a recipe and I have it, I'll
> gladly share.


I think that concept has been going on for awhile now. :-) I post
recipes on request if I have them, or make suggestions if I don't.
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

Omelet[_7_] 09-03-2009 07:20 PM

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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:29:20 GMT, notbob wrote:
>
> > On 2009-03-08, jmcquown > wrote:
> >
> >> I guess you weren't around back then, nb......

> >
> > You guess wrong. I have my 3 recipes in the book, a fact you'd know if you
> > read it.
> >
> >> was proposed in the aftermath of 9/11 and to the families and victims
> >> thereof. The common cause donation was agreed upon relatively easily.

> >
> > A national tragedy and easily agreed upon. No such rallying point currently
> > exists.
> >

>
> i suppose we could put together a recession cookbook, with a special
> section added for the bloated plutocrats (if any) among us.
>
> your pal,
> blake


We could try a collection of recession recipes for those of us the
recession is really hitting hard. <g>

The recent thread on Kraft blue box mac and cheese would fit!
It is cheap food.

Ramen recipes would fit too, as would rice and/or beans.
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

Edwin Pawlowski 09-03-2009 07:22 PM

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"blake murphy" > wrote in message
>
> you're getting soft, sheldon.
>


No comment on that



Michael Kuettner[_2_] 09-03-2009 07:23 PM

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"blake murphy" schrieb :
> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:13:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "ChattyCathy" wrote:
>>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All those who contributed contents, that's who... no others have
>>>>> anything to say.
>>>>
>>>> So Sheldon, which recipe(s) did you contribute?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So Cathy, you're doubting I contributed.. you trying to say I
>>> couldn't, what...

>>
>> Tsk, tsk, tsk. Don't get all 'iffy', please. I was just asking which
>> recipes you contributed. I don't have a copy of 'the RFC Cookbook',
>> because it was published before I subscribed to r.f.c. (as you well
>> know). However if it was available on-line, we wouldn't be having this
>> discussion, now would we?
>>
>> And no, I'm not prepared to pay US$1,100 for a copy, even if you
>> autographed it personally :P

>
> how about if it came with his head on a platter? we could take up a
> collection or something.
>

We could try to publish a cookbook to raise the money for that noble
cause.

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner







ChattyCathy 09-03-2009 07:35 PM

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blake murphy wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:13:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "ChattyCathy" wrote:
>>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All those who contributed contents, that's who... no others have
>>>>> anything to say.
>>>>
>>>> So Sheldon, which recipe(s) did you contribute?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So Cathy, you're doubting I contributed.. you trying to say I
>>> couldn't, what...

>>
>> Tsk, tsk, tsk. Don't get all 'iffy', please. I was just asking which
>> recipes you contributed. I don't have a copy of 'the RFC Cookbook',
>> because it was published before I subscribed to r.f.c. (as you well
>> know). However if it was available on-line, we wouldn't be having
>> this discussion, now would we?
>>
>> And no, I'm not prepared to pay US$1,100 for a copy, even if you
>> autographed it personally :P

>
> how about if it came with his head on a platter? we could take up a
> collection or something.


Now that's an idea. Maybe we could auction it on ebay... we might even
get as much as $1100.50

Eleven hundred bucks for the cookbook and fifty cents for the platter.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Melba's Jammin' 09-03-2009 07:37 PM

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In article >,
"Dora" > wrote:

> You left out "how do I season a cast-iron pan?" :-)


That's in the RFC FAQ file. Free.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

Wayne Boatwright[_4_] 09-03-2009 07:49 PM

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Personally, I really don't care who can see or access the cookbook or if
they choose to make it available on other websites.

Lest we forget, the primary reason for compiling and selling the cookbook
was to make it possible for r.f.c. to make a meaningful contribution to an
organization who could benefit from it after the 9/11 disaster. That was
accomplished.

I freely give recipes I have created or collected to anyone who asks for
them, whether I know them or not. I consider it a compliment that they
would want to use them.

I don't know if the cookbook was actually copyrighted or not, but there are
millions of copyrighted documents floating all over the Internet and most
are not from the original source.

Regardless of what anyone else thinks, the cookbook is not a sacred
document, and even if it were, many sacred documents, including the Bible,
are freely available on the Internet.

Many posters are acting as though someone has taken their first born child
and offered it up to anyone who wants it. Get over yourselves. Try to
remember that it's only a cookbook and they are only recipes. NBFD.

The detractors posting here have ripped "charitable act" right out of the
original project.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

Default User 09-03-2009 08:13 PM

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:


> I don't know if the cookbook was actually copyrighted or not, but
> there are millions of copyrighted documents floating all over the
> Internet and most are not from the original source.


Just to be technical, the book was copyrighted as soon as it had
achieved a fixed form. Most likely you meant that you didn't know if
the copyright was registered.




Brian

--
Day 34 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

Becca 09-03-2009 08:32 PM

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brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Christine, your memory is failing... we were indeed asked, in fact it was a
> topic of great contention... in the end the vast majority agreed that the
> rfc cookbook would not be made available in any other form, mainly because
> any electronic version at that time would be too easy to reproduce.
>
> Today CDs can be produced that canot be copied or transfered. I have no
> aversion to a 2nd edition in CD format (at a typical CD price - say US$15.)
> if it cannot be copied... I'd like to have a Registered copy of the rfc
> cookbook as a searchable CD, but only if it was not capable of being copied
> in part or in whole nor in any way transferable.
>
> I am 200% positive that those who want to see the rfc cookbook made public
> are the cheap *******s who never would have paid for it at its inception had
> they the opportunity. The only way they can prove otherwise to me is if
> they produce their own stinkin' cookbook and then lets see how quick they'd
> be to make it available for free. Of course this will never be, very few of
> today's rfc'ers are capable of producing a cookbook... in fact those
> clammoring the loudest for making the original free can't cook a lick. They
> can call theirs The Hijacked Recipe Cookbook. LOL
>



My memory fails me, but I remember a discussion about the cookbook being
put on a CD, but some people disregarded it because they wanted to give
paper copies to Mom or to Grandma. Personally, I like the idea of a
searchable CD.

Becca

brooklyn1 09-03-2009 08:49 PM

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"Duh'Weenette" sputtered:
:
> Personally, I really don't care who can see or access the cookbook or if
> they choose to make it available on other websites.
>
> Lest we forget, the primary reason for compiling and selling the cookbook
> was to make it possible for r.f.c. to make a meaningful contribution to
> an
> organization who could benefit from it after the 9/11 disaster. >
>
>

You weren't there, shit for brains... you were busy luring little boys to
your basement apartment. The *original* intent of the cookbook was simply
that RFC should have it's own cookbook (no more, no less), and this was a
seed planted at least two years prior probably longer. Nothing was
happening, the cookbook concept was on and off sleeping, and then all of a
sudden there was 9/11... and that is what gave impetus for getting the
cookbook rolling. But the charitible aspect *originally* had no bearing
whatsoever on generating the cookbook, that was an after thought to help
increase sales to a number so that production costs would be more managable.

Now crawl your slimey child molesting self back under your rock and shut the
**** up, know nothing recipe thief.




Jean B.[_1_] 09-03-2009 09:00 PM

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Michael Kuettner wrote:
> "blake murphy" schrieb :
>> On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:13:31 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>>
>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ChattyCathy" wrote:
>>>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All those who contributed contents, that's who... no others have
>>>>>> anything to say.
>>>>> So Sheldon, which recipe(s) did you contribute?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So Cathy, you're doubting I contributed.. you trying to say I
>>>> couldn't, what...
>>> Tsk, tsk, tsk. Don't get all 'iffy', please. I was just asking which
>>> recipes you contributed. I don't have a copy of 'the RFC Cookbook',
>>> because it was published before I subscribed to r.f.c. (as you well
>>> know). However if it was available on-line, we wouldn't be having this
>>> discussion, now would we?
>>>
>>> And no, I'm not prepared to pay US$1,100 for a copy, even if you
>>> autographed it personally :P

>> how about if it came with his head on a platter? we could take up a
>> collection or something.
>>

> We could try to publish a cookbook to raise the money for that noble
> cause.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Kuettner
>


I shan't contribute to that.

--
Jean B.

Jean B.[_1_] 09-03-2009 09:02 PM

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notbob wrote:
> On 2009-03-08, ChattyCathy > wrote:
>> I have taken the liberty of putting up a survey about this on the RFC
>> site. Of course there are no 'maybes' or 'MCINLs' in this one.

>
> Forget the old rfc cookbook. It's everywhere. If a recipe is good enough,
> it's already gone to general web circulation. If we wanna argue/discuss
> something, lets discuss a 2nd book. I think an rfc pdf cookbook is an
> excellent idea. This is a free and open newsgroup. There's no reason why a
> 2nd cookbook shouldn't be, also.
>
> nb


Well, if there is to be a second rfc cookbook, I would still vote
for a hard copy and not a pdf file.

--
Jean B.

ChattyCathy 09-03-2009 09:11 PM

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brooklyn1 wrote:


> True, the individual recipes are no ones property, and not only should
> be free, they are free... the recipes per se cannot be copyrighted, no
> recipe
> can be copywrited. But the rfc cookbook, like any book, became
> copyrighted
> intellectual property at the point of its creation. To reproduce by
> any method any part of the book, page by page or in its entirety, is
> in fact a
> major violation of international copyright law.


http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hsc

<quote>
International Copyright Protection

There is no such thing as an €œinternational copyright€ that will
automatically protect an authors writings throughout the entire world.
Protection against unauthorized use in a particular country depends,
basically, on the national laws of that country. However, most
countries do offer protection to foreign works under certain
conditions, and these conditions have been greatly simplified by
international copyright treaties and conventions. For further
information and a list of countries that maintain copyright relations
with the United States, request Circular 38a, International Copyright
Relations of the United States.

</quote>

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38a.html#points

<quote>

SOME POINTS TO REMEMBER REGARDING THE INTERNATIONAL PROTECTION OF
LITERARY AND ARTISTIC WORKS

There is no such thing as an "international copyright" that will
automatically protect an author's writings throughout the world.
Protection against unauthorized use in a particular country basically
depends on the national laws of that country. However, most countries
offer protection to foreign works under certain conditions that have
been greatly simplified by international copyright treaties and
conventions. There are two principal international copyright
conventions, the Berne Union for the Protection of Literary and
Artistic Property (Berne Convention) and the Universal Copyright
Convention (UCC).

An author who wishes copyright protection for his or her work in a
particular country should first determine the extent of the protection
available to works of foreign authors in that country. If possible,
this should be done before the work is published anywhere, because
protection may depend on the facts existing at the time of first
publication.

If the country in which protection is sought is a party to one of the
international copyright conventions, the work generally may be
protected by complying with the conditions of that convention. Even if
the work cannot be brought under an international convention,
protection under the specific provisions of the country's national laws
may still be possible. There are, however, some countries that offer
little or no copyright protection to any foreign works. For current
information on the requirements and protection provided by other
countries, it may be advisable to consult an expert familiar with
foreign copyright laws. The U.S. Copyright Office is not permitted to
recommend agents or attorneys or to give legal advice on foreign laws.

</quote>
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Omelet[_7_] 09-03-2009 10:52 PM

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In article >,
"Dora" > wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
> > notbob wrote:
> >
> >> On 2009-03-09, Dora > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I going to sue for violation of copyright? And collect from whom?
> >>> Calm down, everyone - don't we all delight in sharing?
> >>
> >> Apparently not, Dora. :|
> >>
> >> nb

> >
> > I dunno. *I* think it makes a pleasant change from 'My fool-proof
> > method of boiling/peeling hard cooked eggs', 'Cilantro tastes/does
> > not taste like soap', 'Making chicken stock - from scratch' and not
> > to forget <Cathy lowers her voice to a whisper> 'How I hate Off-topic
> > (OT) posts (even though I post to those threads with gusto when the
> > mood takes me)' topics.
> >
> > ;-)

>
> You left out "how do I season a cast-iron pan?" :-)


And how to cook corn on the cob. <g>
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

Omelet[_7_] 09-03-2009 10:53 PM

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In article >,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> >
> > you're getting soft, sheldon.
> >

>
> No comment on that


<laughs> Good catch Ed!
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

D K[_6_] 10-03-2009 12:03 AM

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jmcquown wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2009-03-09, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't "read it".

>>
>> Then, what was the point of buying it?
>>
>> nb

>
>
>
> Uh... it was for charity? I lost 295 collegues when the WTC fell,
> thirty of whom I knew personally. The cookbook was dedicated to the
> victims and the families of the victims of 9/11 in NYC, Washington and
> Pennsylvania.
>
> Jill
>
>


More narcissistic drama...

-dk

Joseph Littleshoes[_2_] 10-03-2009 01:36 AM

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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>
>>you're getting soft, sheldon.
>>

>
>
> No comment on that
>
>


Oh come on! i always thought that was the origin of sheldons problems
"too soft".
--
JL


Rhonda Anderson[_1_] 10-03-2009 11:25 AM

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blake murphy > wrote in
:


>
> as far as i know, ingredient lists cannot be copyrighted (and they
> were different anyway), but the narrative can (and mine was very
> different from both).
>


Yes, as far as I understand it neither ingredients lists nor methods can be
copyrighted (if you don't want someone else to make something the same way,
you pretty much need to keep it a secret). A recipe is copryighted only as
a literary work.

I'm pretty sure the recipes I put in were not written word for word from
the sources - I had them handwritten in note books, and rarely copy those
things exactly from the source. I usually want to write as little as
possible.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904


notbob 10-03-2009 07:06 PM

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On 2009-03-09, Omelet > wrote:

> Ramen recipes would fit too, as would rice and/or beans.


Dang! I'm getting good at Ramen recipes. My standard fallback is a
handfull of frozen mixed veggies and a healthy squirt of Sriracha hot sauce.
If I find some roadkill, I get meat! Who needs a cozy fire on a cold night
with this combo. ;)

nb

notbob 10-03-2009 07:11 PM

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On 2009-03-09, Dora > wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:


>> I dunno. *I* think it makes a pleasant change from 'My fool-proof
>> method of boiling/peeling hard cooked eggs', 'Cilantro tastes/does
>> not taste like soap', 'Making chicken stock - from scratch' and not
>> to forget <Cathy lowers her voice to a whisper> 'How I hate Off-topic
>> (OT) posts (even though I post to those threads with gusto when the
>> mood takes me)' topics.
>>
>> ;-)

>
> You left out "how do I season a cast-iron pan?" :-)


.....and "which is the best knife"?, of which a new thread has already begun.
;)

nb

sf[_9_] 11-03-2009 05:23 AM

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:06:28 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2009-03-09, Omelet > wrote:
>
>> Ramen recipes would fit too, as would rice and/or beans.

>
>Dang! I'm getting good at Ramen recipes. My standard fallback is a
>handfull of frozen mixed veggies and a healthy squirt of Sriracha hot sauce.
>If I find some roadkill, I get meat! Who needs a cozy fire on a cold night
>with this combo. ;)
>

I can't begin to tell you how nasty that sounds.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

notbob 11-03-2009 05:25 AM

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On 2009-03-11, sf > wrote:

> I can't begin to tell you how nasty that sounds.


Apparently, you can....


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