"Miche" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>
>> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>>
>> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago. After
>> a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the oven
>> being on for heat.
>>
>> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the lid
>> was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>>
>> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in the
>> house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that thing!
>>
>> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the pan?
>> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere Ware
>> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>
> Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you pull
> it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>
>

That'll work but will take more like a year, microbes work slowly.

Sky wrote:
> Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>>
>> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago. After
>> a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the oven
>> being on for heat.
>>
>> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the lid
>> was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>>
>> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in the
>> house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that thing!
>>
>> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the pan?
>> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere Ware
>> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>>
>> Carol
>
> Bummer that! Another trick might be to use a little bit of dishwasher
> machine detergent (that powdered stuff) in the pan and fill with hot
> water. Stir the detergent around to dissolve and let it soak for
> awhile, then apply the elbow-grease. The enzymes in the dishwasher
> detergent might help to breakup the burned char on the inside of the
> pan.
>
> Just a thought, but whenever I turn on the stove burner with a pan/pot
> of anything in it, I always use the timer to remind me I have a pan on a
> hot burner. There have been many times when this little precaution has
> saved a pan or few, not to mention the kitchen and house! After all, it
> is the "ultra ultimate kitchen rule"
>
> Sky
>

Ah yes. I usually do that too. Just this week, for the first
time, I put something back into the oven and forgot about it.
Went out to retrieve my daughter, which took a very long time,
came back to an aromatic (not smoky house) and just thought it was
said thing cooling. Lo and behold... Luckily, it is vaguely
edible still (started out with crunchy exterior, which is now VERY
crunchy), and the thing is slipping in the sprayed casserole dish
and not adhering to it. (I chalk it up to a very stressful
day--and I bet Carol's experience might also have stress at the
root of it.)

--
Jean B.

In article >,
"brooklyn1" > wrote:

> "Miche" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
> >
> >> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
> >>
> >> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago. After
> >> a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the oven
> >> being on for heat.
> >>
> >> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
> >> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the lid
> >> was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
> >>
> >> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in the
> >> house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that thing!
> >>
> >> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the pan?
> >> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere Ware
> >> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
> >
> > Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you pull
> > it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
> >
> >
>
> That'll work but will take more like a year, microbes work slowly.

I was thinking worms. And the person who told me this has seen it work
in a week.

(Hey, if it doesn't, bury it for another week...)

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:09:23 +1300, Miche wrote:

> In article >,
> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>
>> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>>
>> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago. After a
>> few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the oven
>> being on for heat.
>>
>> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the lid
>> was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>>
>> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in the
>> house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that thing!
>>
>> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the pan?
>> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere Ware
>> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>
> Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you pull
> it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>
> Miche

If you live on a boat, or at the waterside, hang your pan under water. The
fish will take care of it.
--
Groet, salut, Wim.

"Miche" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>
>> "Miche" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>> >>
>> >> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago. After
>> >> a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the oven
>> >> being on for heat.
>> >>
>> >> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>> >> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the lid
>> >> was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>> >>
>> >> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in the
>> >> house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that thing!
>> >>
>> >> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the pan?
>> >> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere Ware
>> >> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>> >
>> > Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you pull
>> > it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> That'll work but will take more like a year, microbes work slowly.
>
> I was thinking worms. And the person who told me this has seen it work
> in a week.
>
>
The person who told you this has the brain of a worm.

Microbes in the soil assimilate the burned on matter. Earthworms in turn
digest the microbes in the soil as part of their diet.

http://www.backyardnature.net/earthwrm.htm

"Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:09:23 +1300, Miche wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>>
>>> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>>>
>>> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago. After a
>>> few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the oven
>>> being on for heat.
>>>
>>> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>>> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the lid
>>> was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>>>
>>> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in the
>>> house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that thing!
>>>
>>> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the pan?
>>> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere Ware
>>> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>>
>> Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you pull
>> it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>>
>> Miche
>
> If you live on a boat, or at the waterside, hang your pan under water. The
> fish will take care of it.

Fish don't eat carborized matter, but the microbes in the water will
assimilate that matter the same as will the microbes on land. As larger and
more voracious microbes devour each other eventually worms in the water will
enter the food chain and in turn they will be eaten by fish.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:24:47 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:

> "Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:09:23 +1300, Miche wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>>>>
>>>> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago. After
>>>> a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the
>>>> oven being on for heat.
>>>>
>>>> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>>>> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the
>>>> lid was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>>>>
>>>> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in
>>>> the house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that
>>>> thing!
>>>>
>>>> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the pan?
>>>> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere Ware
>>>> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>>>
>>> Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you pull
>>> it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>>>
>>> Miche
>>
>> If you live on a boat, or at the waterside, hang your pan under water.
>> The fish will take care of it.
>
> Fish don't eat carborized matter, but the microbes in the water will
> assimilate that matter the same as will the microbes on land. As larger
> and more voracious microbes devour each other eventually worms in the
> water will enter the food chain and in turn they will be eaten by fish.

No matter how, it works !!
--
Groet, salut, Wim.

"Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:24:47 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> "Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:09:23 +1300, Miche wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago. After
>>>>> a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the
>>>>> oven being on for heat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>>>>> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the
>>>>> lid was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in
>>>>> the house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that
>>>>> thing!
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the pan?
>>>>> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere Ware
>>>>> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you pull
>>>> it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>>>>
>>>> Miche
>>>
>>> If you live on a boat, or at the waterside, hang your pan under water.
>>> The fish will take care of it.
>>
>> Fish don't eat carborized matter, but the microbes in the water will
>> assimilate that matter the same as will the microbes on land. As larger
>> and more voracious microbes devour each other eventually worms in the
>> water will enter the food chain and in turn they will be eaten by fish.
>
> No matter how, it works !!
> --
>

So what you're saying is: "No matter, I'm an ignoranus!!"

Actually it doesn't work. You'd need to leave the pot soak in the water a
couple years... and eventually the water would dissolve the crud before the
microbes. You could just as easily soak the pan in a bucket for years.

The imbecile probably watched the fish pedicure on TV recently.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:58:12 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:

> "Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:24:47 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> "Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:09:23 +1300, Miche wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago.
>>>>>> After a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to
>>>>>> the oven being on for heat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>>>>>> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the
>>>>>> lid was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in
>>>>>> the house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that
>>>>>> thing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the
>>>>>> pan? Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel
>>>>>> Revere Ware with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you
>>>>> pull it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Miche
>>>>
>>>> If you live on a boat, or at the waterside, hang your pan under
>>>> water. The fish will take care of it.
>>>
>>> Fish don't eat carborized matter, but the microbes in the water will
>>> assimilate that matter the same as will the microbes on land. As
>>> larger and more voracious microbes devour each other eventually worms
>>> in the water will enter the food chain and in turn they will be eaten
>>> by fish.
>>
>> No matter how, it works !!
>> --
>>
>>
> So what you're saying is: "No matter, I'm an ignoranus!!"
>
> Actually it doesn't work. You'd need to leave the pot soak in the water
> a couple years... and eventually the water would dissolve the crud
> before the microbes. You could just as easily soak the pan in a bucket
> for years.
>
> The imbecile probably watched the fish pedicure on TV recently.

Thanks for the gentle qualification. You must have been well educated.
I spent lots of time aboard, and in case of a very dirty pan, we hung it
overboard.
--
Groet, salut, Wim.

"Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:58:12 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> "Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:24:47 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:09:23 +1300, Miche wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago.
>>>>>>> After a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to
>>>>>>> the oven being on for heat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>>>>>>> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the
>>>>>>> lid was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in
>>>>>>> the house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that
>>>>>>> thing!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the
>>>>>>> pan? Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel
>>>>>>> Revere Ware with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you
>>>>>> pull it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miche
>>>>>
>>>>> If you live on a boat, or at the waterside, hang your pan under
>>>>> water. The fish will take care of it.
>>>>
>>>> Fish don't eat carborized matter, but the microbes in the water will
>>>> assimilate that matter the same as will the microbes on land. As
>>>> larger and more voracious microbes devour each other eventually worms
>>>> in the water will enter the food chain and in turn they will be eaten
>>>> by fish.
>>>
>>> No matter how, it works !!
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>> So what you're saying is: "No matter, I'm an ignoranus!!"
>>
>> Actually it doesn't work. You'd need to leave the pot soak in the water
>> a couple years... and eventually the water would dissolve the crud
>> before the microbes. You could just as easily soak the pan in a bucket
>> for years.
>>
>> The imbecile probably watched the fish pedicure on TV recently.
>
> Thanks for the gentle qualification. You must have been well educated.
> I spent lots of time aboard, and in case of a very dirty pan, we hung it
> overboard.
> --
>

I got yer gentile qualifier... "dirty" and burnt are not synonymous, Weasel
van Slither

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:20:35 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:

> "Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:58:12 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> "Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:24:47 +0000, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Wim van Bemmel" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:09:23 +1300, Miche wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago.
>>>>>>>> After a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up
>>>>>>>> to the oven being on for heat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner
>>>>>>>> on under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully,
>>>>>>>> the lid was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke
>>>>>>>> in the house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside
>>>>>>>> that thing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the
>>>>>>>> pan? Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel
>>>>>>>> Revere Ware with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you
>>>>>>> pull it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Miche
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you live on a boat, or at the waterside, hang your pan under
>>>>>> water. The fish will take care of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fish don't eat carborized matter, but the microbes in the water will
>>>>> assimilate that matter the same as will the microbes on land. As
>>>>> larger and more voracious microbes devour each other eventually
>>>>> worms in the water will enter the food chain and in turn they will
>>>>> be eaten by fish.
>>>>
>>>> No matter how, it works !!
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So what you're saying is: "No matter, I'm an ignoranus!!"
>>>
>>> Actually it doesn't work. You'd need to leave the pot soak in the
>>> water a couple years... and eventually the water would dissolve the
>>> crud before the microbes. You could just as easily soak the pan in a
>>> bucket for years.
>>>
>>> The imbecile probably watched the fish pedicure on TV recently.
>>
>> Thanks for the gentle qualification. You must have been well educated.
>> I spent lots of time aboard, and in case of a very dirty pan, we hung
>> it overboard.
>> --
>>
>>
> I got yer gentile qualifier... "dirty" and burnt are not synonymous,
> Weasel
> van Slither

You have point here. ;-)

--
Groet, salut, Wim.

In article >,
"brooklyn1" > wrote:

> "Miche" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "brooklyn1" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Miche" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
> >> >>
> >> >> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago. After
> >> >> a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the oven
> >> >> being on for heat.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
> >> >> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the lid
> >> >> was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
> >> >>
> >> >> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in the
> >> >> house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that thing!
> >> >>
> >> >> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the pan?
> >> >> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere Ware
> >> >> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
> >> >
> >> > Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you pull
> >> > it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> That'll work but will take more like a year, microbes work slowly.
> >
> > I was thinking worms. And the person who told me this has seen it work
> > in a week.
> >
> >
> The person who told you this has the brain of a worm.

They have eyes in their head, too. And I trust their experience more
than I trust your insults.

Seriously, why do you think insulting your audience or their informants
is going to make people agree with you?

Miche

--
Electricians do it in three phases

"Miche" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>
>> "Miche" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Miche" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I can barely see my monitor through the smoke. LOL!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I turned a burner on to heat water for tea a little while ago.
>> >> >> After
>> >> >> a few minutes, I noticed a burned smell, but chalked it up to the
>> >> >> oven
>> >> >> being on for heat.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then the smell got very strong. Shit! I had turned the burner on
>> >> >> under the rice leftover from last night's dinner. Thankfully, the
>> >> >> lid
>> >> >> was on the pan, because the rice was on fire.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Took the pan outside to cool, and to reduce the amount of smoke in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> house. Brought it back in, and man, is it black inside that thing!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What's the best (easiest) way to get the burn stains out of the
>> >> >> pan?
>> >> >> Oven cleaner, maybe? We're dealing with stainless steel Revere
>> >> >> Ware
>> >> >> with a copper bottom, if that helps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Got access to a garden? Bury the pan up to its handle. When you
>> >> > pull
>> >> > it out in a week, all the burned-up crap will be gone.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> That'll work but will take more like a year, microbes work slowly.
>> >
>> > I was thinking worms. And the person who told me this has seen it work
>> > in a week.
>> >
>> >
>> The person who told you this has the brain of a worm.
>
> They have eyes in their head, too. And I trust their experience more
> than I trust your insults.
>
> Seriously, why do you think insulting your audience or their informants
> is going to make people agree with you?
>
> Miche
>
>

Informant... another word for a rat.

I'm not here to kiss ass or have my ass kissed. I'm here to expose the
truth. And I don't believe a "friend" told you, that was your escape clause
when proven wrong, you are not only ignorant, you are a liar and a coward.
Now tell me again about my needing nicey nicey.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:56:32 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:

> "Miche" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> They have eyes in their head, too. And I trust their experience more
>> than I trust your insults.
>>
>> Seriously, why do you think insulting your audience or their informants
>> is going to make people agree with you?
>>
>> Miche
>>
>>
>
> Informant... another word for a rat.
>
> I'm not here to kiss ass or have my ass kissed. I'm here to expose the
> truth. And I don't believe a "friend" told you, that was your escape clause
> when proven wrong, you are not only ignorant, you are a liar and a coward.
> Now tell me again about my needing nicey nicey.

we know you're not here to have your ass kissed, sheldon. you're here to
act like a psychopath, and doing a bang-up job, too.

this is why you mostly have your ass handed to you rather than kissed.

blake