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Hello All,
Any feedback on cooking wiener schnitzel? How many think its better to pan fry it in butter instead of oil? Do most of you mix milk with the eggs when making the batter? Any tips to maximize the taste? I find I like to pan fry it in butter but find that the batter does not stick as well to veal. Vielen dank Carol |
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deutschemadchen wrote:
> Hello All, > > Any feedback on cooking wiener schnitzel? > > How many think its better to pan fry it in butter instead of oil? > > Do most of you mix milk with the eggs when making the batter? > > Any tips to maximize the taste? I find I like to pan fry it in butter > but find that the batter does not stick as well to veal. I think it is better fried in oil. I dip it in seasoned flour, then egg and milk, into the crumbs, then back into the egg wash and a second coat of crumbs, and let them sit for a while to bind before frying. You need lots of salt and pepper in the flour and crumbs. |
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:03:52 -0800 (PST), deutschemadchen
> wrote: >Any feedback on cooking wiener schnitzel? try this http://tinyurl.com/3u7wov |
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On Fri 19 Dec 2008 11:03:52a, deutschemadchen told us...
> Hello All, > > Any feedback on cooking wiener schnitzel? > > How many think its better to pan fry it in butter instead of oil? Clarified butter, or a mixture of butter and oil. > Do most of you mix milk with the eggs when making the batter? I do. > Any tips to maximize the taste? I find I like to pan fry it in butter > but find that the batter does not stick as well to veal. I dip in flour first, then into the egg/milk mixture, then into *fresh* breadcrumbs, allow to dry a bit on a rack before frying. > Vielen dank > Carol > |
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"Mr. Bill" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:03:52 -0800 (PST), deutschemadchen > > wrote: > >>Any feedback on cooking wiener schnitzel? > > try this > > http://tinyurl.com/3u7wov Now that completely cracked me up! But seriously, sometimes folks want to hear about others' experiences (especially those we trust on rfc) rather than using something off of google. If I ask a question here, I'm likely to put a good deal of faith into a response from Chris Dabney or Bob Terwilliger (even the Ranger or the Spitzbubba if I've had a schnapps or three....) than some link I found on google. JMO. TammyM |
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:58:16 -0800, "TammyM" >
wrote: >But seriously, sometimes folks want to hear about others' experiences Me too!! That is why I research Fine Cooking.com or Cooks Illustrated.com. They are professionals who can accurately comment without a snotty "looking down their nose" attitude. |
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Plebe wrote on Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:36:20 GMT:
>> Hello All, >> >> Any feedback on cooking wiener schnitzel? >> >> How many think its better to pan fry it in butter instead of >> oil? > Clarified butter, or a mixture of butter and oil. >> Do most of you mix milk with the eggs when making the batter? > I do. >> Any tips to maximize the taste? I find I like to pan fry it >> in butter but find that the batter does not stick as well to >> veal. > I dip in flour first, then into the egg/milk mixture, then > into *fresh* breadcrumbs, allow to dry a bit on a rack before > frying. It can be "oven-fried" with the same coating and I often use Panko. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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Hi James,
Your the second person saying "fresh" bread crumbs. How critical are the bread crumbs. Are you making them youself, by the toasting of the bread and then in a blender? How critical would you rate the bread crumb selection? I posted a follow up on the bread crumbs and some other questions. The guy in that video I mentioned used heave cream and whipped it with the eggs. There was a comment its a bad way to go. Any thought on that? Have you tried to bake the schnitzel youself? I would think it would be a little mushy, What is the panco? I think thats the word you used. |
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TammyM > wrote:
> the > Spitzbubba if I've had a schnapps or three....) Just three at the most?! You must be a brave girl... silly, but brave... Spitzbubba |
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deutschemadchen > wrote:
> Any feedback on cooking wiener schnitzel? A repost: Traditional Wiener Schnitzel is made with particular cuts from the inside hind leg, or from the loin, namely Fricandeau (trimmed silverside/top round) or Nuß (sirloin tip). The cuts are butterflied, pounded lightly until they are about 4 mm thick, salted, rolled in flour, then dipped in egg, then rolled in breadcrumbs. The breadcrumbs are not supposed to be pressed into the flesh. Then the schitzel(s) are fried in a lot of hot lard or oil, so that they are swimming in it. (In fact, they can as well be deep-fried.) The breading is supposed to puff up like a soufflé, so that the end result is breading hardly adhering to the meat at all. Traditionally, Wiener Schitzel is supposed to be served with a garnish consisting of a slice of lemon, upon which a rolled anchovy has been placed, with a few capers in the centre of the anchovy (this custom is disappearing and usually just the lemon is served). Here is a correct recipe: <http://www.kochecke.com/cooking-recipe-wiener-schnitzel.html>. And here is how Kurt Gutenbrunner makes it: <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F06E4D71438F935A25752C0A9649C8B 63>. Victor |
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Phlebe
I posted a bread crumb follow up with some other questions, but I found the reply button here. What about the fresh breach crumbs. Are you toasting the bread and putting in the blender? how critical would you rate the bread crumbs? |
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On Fri 19 Dec 2008 03:49:27p, deutschemadchen told us...
> Hi James, > > Your the second person saying "fresh" bread crumbs. How critical are > the bread crumbs. Are you making them youself, by the toasting of the > bread and then in a blender? How critical would you rate the bread > crumb selection? Not James, but IMO "fresh" bread crumbs are essential to the success of a proper schnitzel. Commercial dry bread crumbs are often ground to almost a powder and are often over-toasted. When I prepare bread crumbs, I use a food processor and pulse them until they become uniformly moderately fine crumbs. I spread them out on a large baking sheet and dry them in the oven until thoroughly dry, but not really brown. In fact, I usually stop short of them actually turning color. > I posted a follow up on the bread crumbs and some other questions. The > guy in that video I mentioned used heave cream and whipped it with the > eggs. There was a comment its a bad way to go. Any thought on that? I would never consider using heavy cream as part of the egg mixture used in preparing schnitzel. It isn't necessary and would probably make for an overly thick coating of liquid on the meat. having said that, I would definitely not use any milk except whole milk. > Have you tried to bake the schnitzel youself? I would think it would > be a little mushy, What is the panco? I think thats the word you used. I have never baked schnitzel, but I have made "oven fried chicken". While the chicken is very good, the crust is never quite as crisp as if it had been fried. The exterior of schnitzel should be quite crisp, IMHO. Panko is a commercial Japanese style bread crumb which is extremely crisp. I really like using it for many things, but have never tried it with schnitzel. Personally, I don't think it would be a good choice. It would not create an "authentic" schnitzel. Plebe |
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deutschemadchen wrote:
> Phlebe > > I posted a bread crumb follow up with some other questions, but I > found the reply button here. > > What about the fresh breach crumbs. Are you toasting the bread and > putting in the blender? how critical would you rate the bread crumbs? > The Bread Crumbs are very important. Some people use flavored ones and are surprised that the Schnitzel tastes weirdly. Also, it is very important to beat (flatten or tenderize) the meat before you bread it, until it is very thin and twice the size it was when you started. A real Wiener Schnitzel should be larger than the plate from which it is eaten. And never, ever, use cream or milk in the breading. It is never baked; always pan fry it. I use part butter and part vegetable oil and serve it with wedges of lemon. If The Spitzbube reads this, he will post a good recipe for you. Bubba, are you reading this? So, where is the recipe? Resi from Vienna I |
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On Fri 19 Dec 2008 03:56:58p, deutschemadchen told us...
> Phlebe > > I posted a bread crumb follow up with some other questions, but I > found the reply button here. > > What about the fresh breach crumbs. Are you toasting the bread and > putting in the blender? how critical would you rate the bread crumbs? > I responded earlier, as follows: On Fri 19 Dec 2008 03:49:27p, deutschemadchen told us... > Hi James, > > Your the second person saying "fresh" bread crumbs. How critical are > the bread crumbs. Are you making them youself, by the toasting of the > bread and then in a blender? How critical would you rate the bread > crumb selection? Not James, but IMO "fresh" bread crumbs are essential to the success of a proper schnitzel. Commercial dry bread crumbs are often ground to almost a powder and are often over-toasted. When I prepare bread crumbs, I use a food processor and pulse them until they become uniformly moderately fine crumbs. I spread them out on a large baking sheet and dry them in the oven until thoroughly dry, but not really brown. In fact, I usually stop short of them actually turning color. > I posted a follow up on the bread crumbs and some other questions. The > guy in that video I mentioned used heave cream and whipped it with the > eggs. There was a comment its a bad way to go. Any thought on that? I would never consider using heavy cream as part of the egg mixture used in preparing schnitzel. It isn't necessary and would probably make for an overly thick coating of liquid on the meat. having said that, I would definitely not use any milk except whole milk. > Have you tried to bake the schnitzel youself? I would think it would > be a little mushy, What is the panco? I think thats the word you used. I have never baked schnitzel, but I have made "oven fried chicken". While the chicken is very good, the crust is never quite as crisp as if it had been fried. The exterior of schnitzel should be quite crisp, IMHO. Panko is a commercial Japanese style bread crumb which is extremely crisp. I really like using it for many things, but have never tried it with schnitzel. Personally, I don't think it would be a good choice. It would not create an "authentic" schnitzel. Plebe |
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"Victor Sack" > wrote in message . .. > deutschemadchen > wrote: > >> Any feedback on cooking wiener schnitzel? > > A repost: > > Traditional Wiener Schnitzel is made with particular cuts from the > inside hind leg, or from the loin, namely Fricandeau (trimmed > silverside/top round) or Nuß (sirloin tip). The cuts are butterflied, > pounded lightly until they are about 4 mm thick, salted, rolled in > flour, then dipped in egg, then rolled in breadcrumbs. The breadcrumbs > are not supposed to be pressed into the flesh. Then the schitzel(s) are > fried in a lot of hot lard or oil, so that they are swimming in it. (In > fact, they can as well be deep-fried.) The breading is supposed to puff > up like a soufflé, so that the end result is breading hardly adhering to > the meat at all. Traditionally, Wiener Schitzel is supposed to be > served with a garnish consisting of a slice of lemon, upon which a > rolled anchovy has been placed, with a few capers in the centre of the > anchovy (this custom is disappearing and usually just the lemon is > served). > > Here is a correct recipe: > <http://www.kochecke.com/cooking-recipe-wiener-schnitzel.html>. > > And here is how Kurt Gutenbrunner makes it: > <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F06E4D71438F935A25752C0A9649C8B 63>. My mouth is watering. Haven't made this in far too long. Felice |
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Plebe wrote on Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:39:17 GMT:
> Panko is a commercial Japanese style bread crumb which is > extremely crisp. I really like using it for many things, but > have never tried it with schnitzel. Personally, I don't think > it would be a good choice. It would not create an "authentic" > schnitzel. Unfortunately, an authentically greasy schnitzel is out for me, good tho it is! There is a Japanese dish tonkatsu made with deep fried pork that can be modified for oven frying using chicken, Chikin Katsu, and it's surprisingly good! James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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Victor Sack,
You ever met me would defintely rethink your silly statement I think its silly to waste time criticizing someone who is trying to do good work and has a sincere interest in preparing the best. C, On Dec 19, 3:56*pm, (Victor Sack) wrote: > TammyM > wrote: > > *the > > Spitzbubba if I've had a schnapps or three....) > > Just three at the most?! *You must be a brave girl... silly, but > brave... > > Spitzbubba |
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> Plebe Thanks, are you using milk in the batter? or just egg |
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On Sat 20 Dec 2008 08:22:15a, deutschemadchen told us...
> >> Plebe > > Thanks, are you using milk in the batter? or just egg > Whole milk. |
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Victor Sack wrote:
> deutschemadchen > wrote: > >> Any feedback on cooking wiener schnitzel? > > A repost: > > Traditional Wiener Schnitzel is made with particular cuts from the > inside hind leg, or from the loin, namely Fricandeau (trimmed > silverside/top round) or Nuß (sirloin tip). The cuts are butterflied, > pounded lightly until they are about 4 mm thick, salted, rolled in > flour, then dipped in egg, then rolled in breadcrumbs. The breadcrumbs > are not supposed to be pressed into the flesh. Then the schitzel(s) are > fried in a lot of hot lard or oil, so that they are swimming in it. (In > fact, they can as well be deep-fried.) The breading is supposed to puff > up like a soufflé, so that the end result is breading hardly adhering to > the meat at all. Traditionally, Wiener Schitzel is supposed to be > served with a garnish consisting of a slice of lemon, upon which a > rolled anchovy has been placed, with a few capers in the centre of the > anchovy (this custom is disappearing and usually just the lemon is > served). > > Here is a correct recipe: > <http://www.kochecke.com/cooking-recipe-wiener-schnitzel.html>. > > And here is how Kurt Gutenbrunner makes it: > <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F06E4D71438F935A25752C0A9649C8B 63>. > > Victor > Quick, You Spitzbub, Hide the Gutenbrunner recipe. He uses cream in his breading and I wrote in my post, never, ever to use cream or milk. |
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"Margaret Suran" schrieb : <snip> > Quick, You Spitzbub, Hide the Gutenbrunner recipe. He uses cream in his > breading and I wrote in my post, never, ever to use cream or milk. Why ? You are correct in this. One tablespoon cold water per egg and never, ever cream or milk. Cream belongs in Eierspeise, not Panade. Cheers, Michael Kuettner |
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Michael Kuettner wrote:
> "Margaret Suran" schrieb : > > <snip> > >> Quick, You Spitzbub, Hide the Gutenbrunner recipe. He uses cream in his >> breading and I wrote in my post, never, ever to use cream or milk. > > Why ? You are correct in this. > One tablespoon cold water per egg and never, ever cream or milk. > Cream belongs in Eierspeise, not Panade. > > Cheers, > > Michael Kuettner > > > Thank you! Der Spitzbub is also recommending deep frying the Schnitzel. Ja, so eine Blamage! |
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"Margaret Suran" ha scritto nel messaggio > > Thank you! Der Spitzbub is also recommending deep frying the Schnitzel. > Ja, so eine Blamage! Happy solstice Margaret. I am celebrating because after tomorrow the days can't get any shorter. In Manhattan snowed up? |
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wiener schnitzel and Chocolate Salami recipe
Giusi wrote:
> "Margaret Suran" ha scritto nel messaggio > >> Thank you! Der Spitzbub is also recommending deep frying the Schnitzel. >> Ja, so eine Blamage! > > Happy solstice Margaret. I am celebrating because after tomorrow the days > can't get any shorter. In Manhattan snowed up? > > Thank you, and a Happy Solstice to you. I am sick and tired of Chocolate Chip Cookies, the only sweets I ever make because I mess up on almost everything else, so I am making Chocolate Salami today. It is easy to make and nice to have on hand, if unexpected guest come during the Holiday Season. From the Settlement Cookbook, 20th Edition, 1934 Chocolate Salami 1/2 lb fine bittersweet chocolate 1 egg, unbeaten 1/4 lb blanched almonds, sliced and lightly toasted 1/4 candied orange peel, diced small Cut chocolate into pieces, let melt in top of double boiler, add egg and stir until very smooth. Add almonds and orange peel. Pile on buttered plate. When cool, form into three rolls, 1 1/2 inches thick. Roll in granulated sugar, let stand until firm. Slice like any salami. |
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Was Sie sind, der für Weihnachtsabendessen kocht?
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deutschemadchen wrote:
> Was Sie sind, der für Weihnachtsabendessen kocht? Are you referring to me? I am not sure I understand your question Was Sie sind, der fuer Weihnachtsabendessen kocht? What you are, who cooks for Christmas dinner? If the question is directed to me, I am an 82 year old woman and I am not going to cook Christmas Dinner this year. Did you want to know what I would be cooking if I were to make such a dinner? Duckling, a nice Long Island Duckling with Red Cabbage, roasted potatoes and baby green peas out of the freezer. I would even make a Backpulver Guglhupf, because that is easy. I hope this helped, but why was the question in German? You are not German, I presume. |
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Margaret Suran > wrote:
> Quick, You Spitzbub, Hide the Gutenbrunner recipe. He uses cream in his > breading and I wrote in my post, never, ever to use cream or milk. He cooks for Americans... what do you expect? His Schnitzels are considered to be good, though. Haven't you eaten them at Café Sabarsky or Café Fledermaus? Does Tandoora, die Flederkatze, approve of them? Spitzbub |
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Margaret Suran > wrote:
> Thank you! Der Spitzbub is also recommending deep frying the Schnitzel. > Ja, so eine Blamage! You misspelt blanc-manger. The Schnitzel has to be swimming in hot fat, covered by fat on all sides. That's no different from deep frying. Der Spitzbub |
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deutschemadchen > wrote:
> Was Sie sind, der für Weihnachtsabendessen kocht? Bahnhof? Wieviele seid Ihr eigentlich? Mehrere deutsche Mädchen oder nur ein einziges deutsches Mädchen? Willst Du/wollt Ihr wissen, was ich am Weihnachten kochen werde? Am Heiligabend bin ich bei Freunden eingeladen und koche nichts. Für die zwei Weihnachtstage werde ich wohl mal wieder meine Pansensuppe, Sopa de mondongo a mi manera sin maíz asqueroso, zubereiten. Victor |
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deutschemadchen > top-posted:
How many of you are out there, anyway? > Victor Sack, > > You ever met me would defintely rethink your silly statement > > I think its silly to waste time criticizing someone who is trying to > do good work and has a sincere interest in preparing the best. Are you lost? Need help finding your bearings? Your shrink has given up on you? Is it the weather that causes all the retards suddenly emerge from under their bridges? Victor > On Dec 19, 3:56*pm, (Victor Sack) wrote: > > TammyM > wrote: > > > *the > > > Spitzbubba if I've had a schnapps or three....) > > > > Just three at the most?! *You must be a brave girl... silly, but > > brave... > > > > Spitzbubba |
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"Margaret Suran" schrieb : > Michael Kuettner wrote: >> "Margaret Suran" schrieb : >> >> <snip> >> >>> Quick, You Spitzbub, Hide the Gutenbrunner recipe. He uses cream in his >>> breading and I wrote in my post, never, ever to use cream or milk. >> >> Why ? You are correct in this. >> One tablespoon cold water per egg and never, ever cream or milk. >> Cream belongs in Eierspeise, not Panade. >> > Thank you! Der Spitzbub is also recommending deep frying the Schnitzel. > Ja, so eine Blamage! Deep frying is the German way. But those barbarians also know nothing about Semmelbroesel, they use the vile "Paniermehl" instead. Der Spitzbub also didn't mention that Wiener Schnitzel is _veal_ . That would have been helpful to our Merkin friends here. He also didn't mention that the traditional side-dish besides lemon-slice ist Petersilkartoffeln and Preiselbeerkompott. Oh, those northern barbarians ;-P Cheers, Michael Kuettner PS : Frohe Weihnachten, Landsmännin ! |
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Margaret,
Thanks for your email. I am first generation american and speak english only, (can speak a little german) though I will speak german fluently in the future. I saw a german email address on some reply postings to me, I thought. I was trying to ask " what you are you cooking for christmas dinner" . I thought I might get some more info on some german recipes. Thanks Carol |
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PS.
actually, I was going to try it like, was kochen Sie fur die Weinachtessen, oder, was machen Sie. The translation website pointed me the other way. |
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Michael Kuettner wrote:
> "Margaret Suran" schrieb : >> Michael Kuettner wrote: >>> "Margaret Suran" schrieb : >>> >>> <snip> >>> >>>> Quick, You Spitzbub, Hide the Gutenbrunner recipe. He uses cream in his >>>> breading and I wrote in my post, never, ever to use cream or milk. >>> Why ? You are correct in this. >>> One tablespoon cold water per egg and never, ever cream or milk. >>> Cream belongs in Eierspeise, not Panade. We did not use milk in Eierspeise. Or if we did, it was kept secret from me, as I would not have eaten something I knew contained milk. I was a somewhat fussy eater. >>> >> Thank you! Der Spitzbub is also recommending deep frying the Schnitzel. >> Ja, so eine Blamage! > > Deep frying is the German way. But those barbarians also know nothing > about Semmelbroesel, they use the vile "Paniermehl" instead. Paniermehl did not exist when I lived in Vienna, before 1938. When Semmeln became stale, they were ground into Semmelbroesel, or saved o some other dish. > Der Spitzbub also didn't mention that Wiener Schnitzel is _veal_ . > That would have been helpful to our Merkin friends here. He did not have to mention it, because ONLY Veal was allowed to be called Wiener Schnitzel. Pork cooked in that fashion, was called Paniertes Schweinsschnitzel and was not eaten in our Jewish home or ordered if we ate in a restaurant. Take my word for it, Victor would not make a mistake as misnaming a dish such as Wiener Schnitzel. > He also didn't mention that the traditional side-dish besides lemon-slice > ist Petersilkartoffeln and Preiselbeerkompott. I also remember eating a Gemischten Salat, a presentation of three or four different salads on one plate. There would always be Gurkensalat, Erdaepfelsalat and Haeuptlsalat, and sometimes Paradeissalat, Rote Ruebensalat and whatever else was ripe and available. Preiselbeerkompott was unknown to me, until I came to the USA. > Oh, those northern barbarians ;-P > > Cheers, > > Michael Kuettner > > PS : Frohe Weihnachten, Landsmännin ! Vielen Dank! Froehliche Weihnachten und Prosit Neu Jahr, MS > > |
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Margaret,
I wrote 2 replys to you but them seem to going under neath another post. Hope you see them. You have some good ideas here. I wanted to look up Backpulver Guglhupf but there seems to be some variations. Would you mind, do you have a recipie you might want to post here? . Carol |
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deutschemadchen wrote:
> Margaret, > > Thanks for your email. I am first generation american and speak > english only, (can speak a little german) though I will speak german > fluently in the future. > > I saw a german email address on some reply postings to me, I thought. > > I was trying to ask " what you are you cooking for christmas dinner" . > I thought I might get some more info on some german recipes. > > Thanks > Carol No harm done. As you see, I will not cook Christmas Dinner this year, but I did tell you what I would have liked to make. How about you? What will you be cooking? Go to this site and you will find a lot of German recipes. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...rch&a q=f&oq= |
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Margaret Suran > wrote: > Michael Kuettner wrote: > > Der Spitzbub also didn't mention that Wiener Schnitzel is _veal_ . > > That would have been helpful to our Merkin friends here. > > He did not have to mention it, because ONLY Veal was allowed to be > called Wiener Schnitzel. Pork cooked in that fashion, was called > Paniertes Schweinsschnitzel and was not eaten in our Jewish home or > ordered if we ate in a restaurant. My brother likes to make schwein schnitzel. Veal is so expensive. He made schnitzel last time I was down there last spring. He bought a huge whole loin. The next day my niece wanted a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for school since she didn't like the school lunch offering. My brother suggested some leftover schnitzel instead. She thought that was a great idea. She would probably be the only kid in the cafeteria eating schnitzel. -- Dan Abel Petaluma, California USA |
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