She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.

If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll give
you the number.


TFM®

"TFM®" > wrote in message
. com...
> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll
> give you the number.
>
>
Please give her my love. And hopes for it to get all straightened out.

"TFM®" > wrote in message
. com...
> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll
> give you the number.
>
>
> TFM®

Godspeed.

On Sat 25 Oct 2008 06:26:46p, TFM® told us...

> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for
> an appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco
> Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll
> give you the number.

Please let Christy know I'm thinking of her, and hope for some speedy results
to alleviate her pain.

--
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ears...' - Slappy Squirrel

TFM® wrote:
>
> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll give
> you the number.
>
> TFM®

Give her our best wishes for a good recovery.

TFM® wrote:
> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait
> for an appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to
> Pasco Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at
> about noon.

Oh, I hope she is feeling better already. My thoughts
are with her.

nancy

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> "TFM®" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
>> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
>> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>>
>> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll
>> give you the number.
>>
>>
> Please give her my love. And hopes for it to get all straightened out.
>
Same here.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> TFM® wrote:
>> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait
>> for an appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to
>> Pasco Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at
>> about noon.
>
> Oh, I hope she is feeling better already. My thoughts
> are with her.
>
> nancy

Morphine tends to make a person feel better, but it's not a solution.

She's had 3 GI (Gastro Intestinal) specialists look at her today and they're
all scratching their heads.
Not much will be done tomorrow as it's Sunday in Floriduh and all the
doctors will be swinging their clubs.

I'm going down there tomorrow to take her some things she needs. I'll
report back to y'all after I get home tomorrow evening.

We have 5 creatures here to take care of in case anyone is wondering why I'm
not staying at the hospital with her.


TFM®

TFM® wrote:
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> > TFM® wrote:
> >> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait
> >> for an appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to
> >> Pasco Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at
> >> about noon.
> >
> > Oh, I hope she is feeling better already. My thoughts
> > are with her.
> >
> > nancy
>
> Morphine tends to make a person feel better, but it's not a solution.
>
> She's had 3 GI (Gastro Intestinal) specialists look at her today and they're
> all scratching their heads.
> Not much will be done tomorrow as it's Sunday in Floriduh and all the
> doctors will be swinging their clubs.
>
> I'm going down there tomorrow to take her some things she needs. I'll
> report back to y'all after I get home tomorrow evening.
>
> We have 5 creatures here to take care of in case anyone is wondering why I'm
> not staying at the hospital with her.
>
> TFM®

It's not our business in any case. Hope it all goes well for the both of
you.

"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> TFM® wrote:
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > TFM® wrote:
>> >> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait
>> >> for an appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to
>> >> Pasco Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at
>> >> about noon.
>> >
>> > Oh, I hope she is feeling better already. My thoughts
>> > are with her.
>> >
>> > nancy
>>
>> Morphine tends to make a person feel better, but it's not a solution.
>>
>> She's had 3 GI (Gastro Intestinal) specialists look at her today and
>> they're
>> all scratching their heads.
>> Not much will be done tomorrow as it's Sunday in Floriduh and all the
>> doctors will be swinging their clubs.
>>
>> I'm going down there tomorrow to take her some things she needs. I'll
>> report back to y'all after I get home tomorrow evening.
>>
>> We have 5 creatures here to take care of in case anyone is wondering why
>> I'm
>> not staying at the hospital with her.
>>
>> TFM®
>
> It's not our business in any case. Hope it all goes well for the both of
> you.

Thank you.

TFM®

TFM® wrote:
> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for
> an appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco
> Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll
> give you the number.
>
>
> TFM®

Oh, hell. Sorry to hear it.

Tell her I would eat a bug, even one with nasty powdery wings, if I
thought it would make her feel better.

"Kathleen" > wrote in message
...
> TFM® wrote:
>> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
>> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
>> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>>
>> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll
>> give you the number.
>>
>>
>> TFM®
>
> Oh, hell. Sorry to hear it.
>
> Tell her I would eat a bug, even one with nasty powdery wings, if I
> thought it would make her feel better.
>

I think it'll make her laugh. I'll tell her.
Should I pack up a giant Florida moth to send to you? <G>


TFM®

TFM® wrote:

>
>
> "Kathleen" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> TFM® wrote:
>>
>>> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait
>>> for an appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to
>>> Pasco Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at
>>> about noon.
>>>
>>> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me.
>>> I'll give you the number.
>>>
>>>
>>> TFM®
>>
>>
>> Oh, hell. Sorry to hear it.
>>
>> Tell her I would eat a bug, even one with nasty powdery wings, if I
>> thought it would make her feel better.
>>
>
> I think it'll make her laugh. I'll tell her.
> Should I pack up a giant Florida moth to send to you? <G>

Ooh, yeah, with the ranch sauce for dipping. And Cooper wants a side
order of hissing cockroaches, but only if they're fresh.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=19qvqe&s=4

On Sat 25 Oct 2008 09:07:29p, Kathleen told us...

> TFM® wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Kathleen" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> TFM® wrote:
>>>
>>>> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait
>>>> for an appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to
>>>> Pasco Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at
>>>> about noon.
>>>>
>>>> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me.
>>>> I'll give you the number.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TFM®
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, hell. Sorry to hear it.
>>>
>>> Tell her I would eat a bug, even one with nasty powdery wings, if I
>>> thought it would make her feel better.
>>>
>>
>> I think it'll make her laugh. I'll tell her.
>> Should I pack up a giant Florida moth to send to you? <G>
>
> Ooh, yeah, with the ranch sauce for dipping. And Cooper wants a side
> order of hissing cockroaches, but only if they're fresh.
>
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=19qvqe&s=4
>
>

Mean looking devil dog! :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Sat 25 Oct 2008 09:07:29p, Kathleen told us...
>
>
>>TFM® wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"Kathleen" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>TFM® wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait
>>>>>for an appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to
>>>>>Pasco Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at
>>>>>about noon.
>>>>>
>>>>>If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me.
>>>>>I'll give you the number.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TFM®
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh, hell. Sorry to hear it.
>>>>
>>>>Tell her I would eat a bug, even one with nasty powdery wings, if I
>>>>thought it would make her feel better.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think it'll make her laugh. I'll tell her.
>>>Should I pack up a giant Florida moth to send to you? <G>
>>
>>Ooh, yeah, with the ranch sauce for dipping. And Cooper wants a side
>>order of hissing cockroaches, but only if they're fresh.
>>
>>http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=19qvqe&s=4
>
> Mean looking devil dog! :-)
>
He's a JRT, which is more a type than a breed. They are defined by what
they were bred to do - follow prey underground and either flush them out
or do battle alone in the dark on enemy ground. He's got his game face
on in that photo. Incidentally, that's why he's no longer allowed to
ride on my shoulder, parrot-style, at tournaments. The altitude goes to
his head - "Fear me! I'm a six foot tall terrier!"

Away from the ring this is more typical:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2n9b2uw&s=4

On Sat 25 Oct 2008 09:34:44p, Kathleen told us...

> He's a JRT, which is more a type than a breed. They are defined by what
> they were bred to do - follow prey underground and either flush them out
> or do battle alone in the dark on enemy ground. He's got his game face
> on in that photo. Incidentally, that's why he's no longer allowed to
> ride on my shoulder, parrot-style, at tournaments. The altitude goes to
> his head - "Fear me! I'm a six foot tall terrier!"
>
> Away from the ring this is more typical:
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2n9b2uw&s=4
>

Aw, now there's a real sweetie! I didn't know the historical background of
Jack Russells.

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Sat 25 Oct 2008 09:34:44p, Kathleen told us...
>
>
>>He's a JRT, which is more a type than a breed. They are defined by what
>>they were bred to do - follow prey underground and either flush them out
>>or do battle alone in the dark on enemy ground. He's got his game face
>>on in that photo. Incidentally, that's why he's no longer allowed to
>>ride on my shoulder, parrot-style, at tournaments. The altitude goes to
>>his head - "Fear me! I'm a six foot tall terrier!"
>>
>>Away from the ring this is more typical:
>>http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2n9b2uw&s=4
>>
>
>
> Aw, now there's a real sweetie! I didn't know the historical background of
> Jack Russells.
>

A JRT is as a JRT does. I got Cooper from a breeder/handler who had
acquired him from another breeder for competition purposes, including
conformation. And after owning him for a few weeks it became apparent
that his tail docking had been botched.

Traditionally, a JRT should have a tail long enogh that the handler may
grip it, with the tip protruding above their fist, in order to haul the
dog out of a fox's burrow, since the dog is unlikely to simply give up
on his own.

Cooper's tail is one, possibly two vetebrae too short. Since I was
looking for a flyball dog and had no intention of ever using his tail as
a handle, or of showing him in conformation, this was of no consequence
to me. B told me her asking price - what she'd given for him, plus
vaccines and Baer testing (Hearing - JRTs carry deafness as a recessive
gene). And so the puppy formerly known as Robert came home with me.

This is not a child's pet and tv shows like "Frasier" and "Wishbone" do
both JRTs and their potential owners a major disservice. They are
working dogs, hunting dogs. In a suburban environment they are diggers,
chewers, front door doingers, yappers, biters, cat killers.

But they bring an amazing amount of color and adventure to the educated
owner's household. Buyer beware.
http://www.therealjackrussell.com/jrtca/realjack.php

On Sat 25 Oct 2008 10:42:51p, Kathleen told us...

> A JRT is as a JRT does. I got Cooper from a breeder/handler who had
> acquired him from another breeder for competition purposes, including
> conformation. And after owning him for a few weeks it became apparent
> that his tail docking had been botched.
>
> Traditionally, a JRT should have a tail long enogh that the handler may
> grip it, with the tip protruding above their fist, in order to haul the
> dog out of a fox's burrow, since the dog is unlikely to simply give up
> on his own.
>
> Cooper's tail is one, possibly two vetebrae too short. Since I was
> looking for a flyball dog and had no intention of ever using his tail as
> a handle, or of showing him in conformation, this was of no consequence
> to me. B told me her asking price - what she'd given for him, plus
> vaccines and Baer testing (Hearing - JRTs carry deafness as a recessive
> gene). And so the puppy formerly known as Robert came home with me.
>
> This is not a child's pet and tv shows like "Frasier" and "Wishbone" do
> both JRTs and their potential owners a major disservice. They are
> working dogs, hunting dogs. In a suburban environment they are diggers,
> chewers, front door doingers, yappers, biters, cat killers.
>
> But they bring an amazing amount of color and adventure to the educated
> owner's household. Buyer beware.
> http://www.therealjackrussell.com/jrtca/realjack.php

Thanks, Kathleen, for the all the "practical" information about the JRTs,
and the excellent website. I also didn't realize there could be such
variation in appearance within the breed. I have friends who own a JRT,
but I've never really spent time around her.

--
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"Kathleen" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sat 25 Oct 2008 09:34:44p, Kathleen told us...
>>
>>

> A JRT is as a JRT does. I got Cooper from a breeder/handler who had
> acquired him from another breeder for competition purposes, including
> conformation. And after owning him for a few weeks it became apparent
> that his tail docking had been botched.

I think it is so sad to support this kind of shit. Particularly when there
were certainly many Jack Russells in your area who needed homes and were put
down for lack of them.

Ugh.

In article > ,
TFM® > wrote:

> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll give
> you the number.
>
>
> TFM®

Thanks Alan, I will!
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

cybercat wrote:

> "Kathleen" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat 25 Oct 2008 09:34:44p, Kathleen told us...
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>A JRT is as a JRT does. I got Cooper from a breeder/handler who had
>>acquired him from another breeder for competition purposes, including
>>conformation. And after owning him for a few weeks it became apparent
>>that his tail docking had been botched.
>
>
> I think it is so sad to support this kind of shit. Particularly when there
> were certainly many Jack Russells in your area who needed homes and were put
> down for lack of them.
>
> Ugh.

I took him, paid for him, because he was physically and mentally ideal
for my household and purposes.

I can't save every dog. But I wanted to optimize my chances of getting
exactly what I needed. To me, a dog is a member of the family, a long
term emotional and financial commitment. And for a JRT, we're talking
maybe 18 years. And so I took a dog that a breed expert had regarded as
a top flight prospect except for a minor physical flaw. And I fell in
love with him, and although I'd have kept him no matter what, he's gone
on to kick major ass in our chosen sport. And, no, there's no financial
gain involved. We play for fun, for 35 cent ribbons, and for bragging
rights.

So maybe you'd rather I'd have taken potluck from a shelter... a child
biter, a cat killer, a deaf dog with luxating patellas, but until you
pony up your rescued catastrophe, maybe you'd better just STFU.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
> > "Kathleen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Sat 25 Oct 2008 09:34:44p, Kathleen told us...
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>A JRT is as a JRT does. I got Cooper from a breeder/handler who had
> >>acquired him from another breeder for competition purposes, including
> >>conformation. And after owning him for a few weeks it became apparent
> >>that his tail docking had been botched.
> >
> >
> > I think it is so sad to support this kind of shit. Particularly when there
> > were certainly many Jack Russells in your area who needed homes and were
> > put
> > down for lack of them.
> >
> > Ugh.
>
> I took him, paid for him, because he was physically and mentally ideal
> for my household and purposes.
>
> I can't save every dog. But I wanted to optimize my chances of getting
> exactly what I needed. To me, a dog is a member of the family, a long
> term emotional and financial commitment. And for a JRT, we're talking
> maybe 18 years. And so I took a dog that a breed expert had regarded as
> a top flight prospect except for a minor physical flaw. And I fell in
> love with him, and although I'd have kept him no matter what, he's gone
> on to kick major ass in our chosen sport. And, no, there's no financial
> gain involved. We play for fun, for 35 cent ribbons, and for bragging
> rights.
>
> So maybe you'd rather I'd have taken potluck from a shelter... a child
> biter, a cat killer, a deaf dog with luxating patellas, but until you
> pony up your rescued catastrophe, maybe you'd better just STFU.

I've actually had very good luck adopting adult dogs from the local
shelter (last one is a Border Collie we still have that is a really good
dog), but there is nothing wrong with rescuing a good dog from other
situations. ;-) I purchased Chelsea, a Pembroke Corgie from a guy
selling her on Austin.forsale because she was too demanding of attention
and has an overbite.

I have no regrets. She is one of the smartest and most personable dogs
It's ever been my joy to associate with!

Nobody should judge that way.

Millions of cats and dogs are put down every year due to irresponsible
breeding and as you said, we can't save them all... but one at a time,
it helps a little.

All my pets are spayed/neutered, and I damage the eggs that my ringneck
doves lay now so they don't hatch.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:39:01p, Kathleen told us...

> cybercat wrote:
>
>> "Kathleen" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat 25 Oct 2008 09:34:44p, Kathleen told us...
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>A JRT is as a JRT does. I got Cooper from a breeder/handler who had
>>>acquired him from another breeder for competition purposes, including
>>>conformation. And after owning him for a few weeks it became apparent
>>>that his tail docking had been botched.
>>
>>
>> I think it is so sad to support this kind of shit. Particularly when
>> there were certainly many Jack Russells in your area who needed homes
>> and were put down for lack of them.
>>
>> Ugh.
>
> I took him, paid for him, because he was physically and mentally ideal
> for my household and purposes.
>
> I can't save every dog. But I wanted to optimize my chances of getting
> exactly what I needed. To me, a dog is a member of the family, a long
> term emotional and financial commitment. And for a JRT, we're talking
> maybe 18 years. And so I took a dog that a breed expert had regarded as
> a top flight prospect except for a minor physical flaw. And I fell in
> love with him, and although I'd have kept him no matter what, he's gone
> on to kick major ass in our chosen sport. And, no, there's no financial
> gain involved. We play for fun, for 35 cent ribbons, and for bragging
> rights.
>
> So maybe you'd rather I'd have taken potluck from a shelter... a child
> biter, a cat killer, a deaf dog with luxating patellas, but until you
> pony up your rescued catastrophe, maybe you'd better just STFU.

Just consider the source, Kathleen. I believe that every pet owner has
their own unique and personal reason for choosing their pet(s), and no one
else can tell them their choice is right or wrong.

We happen to be "cat people", and all of ours are rescues, but we dearly
love each of them in a special way. We love their diverse personalities,
and they enrich our lives.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:26:46 -0400, TFM®
> fired up random neurons and synapses to
opine:

>She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
>appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
>this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
>If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll give
>you the number.

Your lady is the bomb - heartfelt "love beams," as my kids call 'em,
which are essentially crossed fingers and a smooch from this SoCal
bunch.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

Kathleen wrote:
> So maybe you'd rather I'd have taken potluck from a shelter... a child
> biter, a cat killer, a deaf dog with luxating patellas, but until you
> pony up your rescued catastrophe, maybe you'd better just STFU.

I have a rescue dog and the organisation I got her from is excellent. When
dogs arrive there, they are assessed for a couple of weeks before being
allowed to be viewed. They have all their shots and are microchipped before
being going home with their new family. One goes to look around the
available dogs, chooses one to learn about and then takes it for a walk.
Then there is a meeting with the handlers who tell you everything they know
about the dog. The first one we liked was Joshua and the walk went well.
But... at the meeting we were told he was a 'people' dog and would fight
with any other dogs. Sadly we had to decline him. Our next choice was
Blue. She is a Border Collie and 12 years old. She has a sweet and loving
nature and we are smitten She may be old and we will appreciate whatever
time she has left but you should see her chase rabbits)

So, not all shelter dogs are bad. You just need to choose a safe place.

TFM® wrote:

> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for
> an
> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco
> Regional this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me.
> I'll give you the number.

That sucks. So sorry to hear it. Please pass on my best wishes to her.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

TFM® wrote:

> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.

I'm very sorry to hear that. Lin and I send our best wishes for a speedy
recovery.

Bob

Kathleen wrote:

> So maybe you'd rather I'd have taken potluck from a shelter... a child
> biter, a cat killer, a deaf dog with luxating patellas, but until you
> pony up your rescued catastrophe, maybe you'd better just STFU.

Kathleen, you did nothing wrong. Cyber**** has absolutely no clue about what
it's like to be a pet owner -- or a parent, for that matter. If only
cyber**** had been neutered at a young age it wouldn't have needed all those
abortions.

Bob

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 25 Oct 2008 11:39:01p, Kathleen told us...
>
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>> "Kathleen" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat 25 Oct 2008 09:34:44p, Kathleen told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> A JRT is as a JRT does. I got Cooper from a breeder/handler who
>>>> had acquired him from another breeder for competition purposes,
>>>> including conformation. And after owning him for a few weeks it
>>>> became apparent that his tail docking had been botched.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it is so sad to support this kind of shit. Particularly when
>>> there were certainly many Jack Russells in your area who needed
>>> homes and were put down for lack of them.
>>>
>>> Ugh.
>>
>> I took him, paid for him, because he was physically and mentally
>> ideal for my household and purposes.
>>
>> I can't save every dog. But I wanted to optimize my chances of
>> getting exactly what I needed. To me, a dog is a member of the
>> family, a long term emotional and financial commitment. And for a
>> JRT, we're talking maybe 18 years. And so I took a dog that a breed
>> expert had regarded as a top flight prospect except for a minor
>> physical flaw. And I fell in love with him, and although I'd have
>> kept him no matter what, he's gone on to kick major ass in our
>> chosen sport. And, no, there's no financial gain involved. We play
>> for fun, for 35 cent ribbons, and for bragging rights.
>>
>> So maybe you'd rather I'd have taken potluck from a shelter... a
>> child biter, a cat killer, a deaf dog with luxating patellas, but
>> until you pony up your rescued catastrophe, maybe you'd better just
>> STFU.
>
> Just consider the source, Kathleen. I believe that every pet owner
> has their own unique and personal reason for choosing their pet(s),
> and no one else can tell them their choice is right or wrong.
>
> We happen to be "cat people", and all of ours are rescues, but we
> dearly love each of them in a special way. We love their diverse
> personalities, and they enrich our lives.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

As much as individual breeds of dogs and cats have their own traits and
beyond that, their own personalities, so, too, do proper pet owners. It is
a truly wise pet owner that acknowledges their own special needs and wants
before they bring a pet home. Mismatches are so sad. . .bringing home an
animal and then discarding it. As Kathleen said, a pet is a long-term
emotional and financial commitment. Thanks for the JRT info, Kathleen. I
didn't realize the breed had so many 'looks' either. You must be a pretty
energetic person yourself to participate in flyball. I admire the doggy
athletic competitions far more than the traditional dog show competitions.
Janet

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> TFM® >

>> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>>> Oh, I hope she is feeling better already. My thoughts
>>> are with her.

>> Morphine tends to make a person feel better, but it's not a solution.

Of course not. Just helps if she's at least more comfortable.

>> She's had 3 GI (Gastro Intestinal) specialists look at her today and
>> they're all scratching their heads.
>> Not much will be done tomorrow as it's Sunday in Floriduh and all the
>> doctors will be swinging their clubs.

No one told Christy Don't get sick on the weekend? What was
she thinking?

>> We have 5 creatures here to take care of in case anyone is wondering
>> why I'm not staying at the hospital with her.
>
> She'll feel better knowing her "kids" are safe and being taken care
> of.

Really. I can't speak for her, but I'd feel worse making someone
stay with me and worrying about the animals on top of that.

nancy

In article >,
"Ophelia" > wrote:

> Kathleen wrote:
> > So maybe you'd rather I'd have taken potluck from a shelter... a child
> > biter, a cat killer, a deaf dog with luxating patellas, but until you
> > pony up your rescued catastrophe, maybe you'd better just STFU.
>
> I have a rescue dog and the organisation I got her from is excellent. When
> dogs arrive there, they are assessed for a couple of weeks before being
> allowed to be viewed. They have all their shots and are microchipped before
> being going home with their new family. One goes to look around the
> available dogs, chooses one to learn about and then takes it for a walk.
> Then there is a meeting with the handlers who tell you everything they know
> about the dog. The first one we liked was Joshua and the walk went well.
> But... at the meeting we were told he was a 'people' dog and would fight
> with any other dogs. Sadly we had to decline him. Our next choice was
> Blue. She is a Border Collie and 12 years old. She has a sweet and loving
> nature and we are smitten She may be old and we will appreciate whatever
> time she has left but you should see her chase rabbits)
>
> So, not all shelter dogs are bad. You just need to choose a safe place.

I've adopted shelter adults a couple of times now, and have no regrets,
but the rescue societies have their place too. :-)

All that matters in the long run is that you saved a good dog from an
untimely death.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

"TFM®" > wrote in message
. com...
> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll
> give you the number.
>
> TFM®

If she can take it, please give her a big hug from me.

Felice

Ophelia wrote:

> Kathleen wrote:
>
>> So maybe you'd rather I'd have taken potluck from a shelter... a
>> child biter, a cat killer, a deaf dog with luxating patellas, but
>> until you pony up your rescued catastrophe, maybe you'd better just
>> STFU.
>
>
> I have a rescue dog and the organisation I got her from is excellent.
> When dogs arrive there, they are assessed for a couple of weeks
> before being allowed to be viewed. They have all their shots and are
> microchipped before being going home with their new family. One
> goes to look around the available dogs, chooses one to learn about
> and then takes it for a walk. Then there is a meeting with the
> handlers who tell you everything they know about the dog. The first
> one we liked was Joshua and the walk went well. But... at the meeting
> we were told he was a 'people' dog and would fight with any other
> dogs. Sadly we had to decline him. Our next choice was Blue. She is
> a Border Collie and 12 years old. She has a sweet and loving nature
> and we are smitten She may be old and we will appreciate whatever
> time she has left but you should see her chase rabbits)
>
> So, not all shelter dogs are bad. You just need to choose a safe
> place.

When I got my dogs I came under a great deal of criticism for opting to
purchase carefully bred pedigreed dogs from health-tested lines, instead
of taking potluck from a shelter.

It was bad enough when I got my BCs but when word leaked out that a slot
for a third dog had opened in my family, everybody and his brother
wanted me to "do the right thing" and take on their problems and
disasters. The pressure from certain people was egregious enough that
my relationships with those individuals were permanently affected.

I have limited space and resources and specific goals and ideas for what
I want to do with my dogs, and what I expect of them. Nobody gets any
guarantees and I certainly would not have dumped or even re-homed any of
them if they had not worked out as performance dogs, but I wanted to
maximize my chances at getting what I wanted. And that meant purebreds
from performance lines.

For me, choosing canine family members is an extremely serious matter, a
15-18 year committment (hopefully), not some spur-of-the-moment impulse
acquisition and I refuse to be guilt-tripped for my decisions.

When I tired of one woman's ongoing harangues on the matter, I finally
told her, "Look, this is none of your business, it's as bad as
criticising a couple for opting to give birth to their own child instead
of flying to Ethiopia to adopt a starving teenager".

And you know what? She responded, "It is the same thing, it's *exactly*
the same thing, nobody should be having any more babies until every
child has a home, and nobody should be breeding dogs until the shelters
are empty." At that point I realized that I was dealing with a
delusional fanatic, not a rational individual.

Promoting the adoption of homeless shelter dogs is a laudable goal but
it's not for everybody. I wouldn't pass judgement on somebody who made
the same decision I did.

"TFM®" > wrote in message
. com...
> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't
> wait for an appointment at the end of next week. She was
> admitted to Pasco Regional this morning, and transferred to
> Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email
> me. I'll give you the number.

Please let her know that Clan Ranger sends her our hopes for a
speedy recovery and return to Ranch TFM.

The Ranger

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> When I got my dogs I came under a great deal of criticism for opting to
> purchase carefully bred pedigreed dogs from health-tested lines, instead
> of taking potluck from a shelter.
>
> It was bad enough when I got my BCs but when word leaked out that a slot
> for a third dog had opened in my family, everybody and his brother
> wanted me to "do the right thing" and take on their problems and
> disasters. The pressure from certain people was egregious enough that
> my relationships with those individuals were permanently affected.

Oh calm down babe. Your choice of dog was YOURS to make! Screw what
other people think!

>
> I have limited space and resources and specific goals and ideas for what
> I want to do with my dogs, and what I expect of them. Nobody gets any
> guarantees and I certainly would not have dumped or even re-homed any of
> them if they had not worked out as performance dogs, but I wanted to
> maximize my chances at getting what I wanted. And that meant purebreds
> from performance lines.

I'm curious about what you are doing with them. Agility training and
competition? Sounds like a lot of fun and I've not tried it. I'm
betting my BC would love it if I knew how to train her for it.

>
> For me, choosing canine family members is an extremely serious matter, a
> 15-18 year committment (hopefully), not some spur-of-the-moment impulse
> acquisition and I refuse to be guilt-tripped for my decisions.

Good call. ;-)

>
> When I tired of one woman's ongoing harangues on the matter, I finally
> told her, "Look, this is none of your business, it's as bad as
> criticising a couple for opting to give birth to their own child instead
> of flying to Ethiopia to adopt a starving teenager".
>
> And you know what? She responded, "It is the same thing, it's *exactly*
> the same thing, nobody should be having any more babies until every
> child has a home, and nobody should be breeding dogs until the shelters
> are empty." At that point I realized that I was dealing with a
> delusional fanatic, not a rational individual.

Absolutely! It's like the woman in the grocery store line that dared to
criticize me for purchasing large amounts of cat food instead of sending
the money to starving children in Africa.

What do you get when you feed starving children?

More starving children.

You can't talk to some people.

>
> Promoting the adoption of homeless shelter dogs is a laudable goal but
> it's not for everybody. I wouldn't pass judgement on somebody who made
> the same decision I did.

You have a good dog that will live a good life. That's all that really
matters. ;-)

More pics please?
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Kathleen wrote:

> For me, choosing canine family members is an extremely serious
> matter, a 15-18 year committment (hopefully), not some
> spur-of-the-moment impulse acquisition and I refuse to be
> guilt-tripped for my decisions.
>
> When I tired of one woman's ongoing harangues on the matter, I finally
> told her, "Look, this is none of your business, it's as bad as
> criticising a couple for opting to give birth to their own child
> instead of flying to Ethiopia to adopt a starving teenager".
>
> And you know what? She responded, "It is the same thing, it's
> *exactly* the same thing, nobody should be having any more babies
> until every child has a home, and nobody should be breeding dogs
> until the shelters are empty." At that point I realized that I was
> dealing with a delusional fanatic, not a rational individual.

Wow. Some animal people are really out there.

> Promoting the adoption of homeless shelter dogs is a laudable goal but
> it's not for everybody. I wouldn't pass judgement on somebody who made
> the same decision I did.

They are making it such an ordeal to adopt from the shelters
where I live, I'm amazed they place any animals.

nancy

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:26:46 -0400, TFM® wrote:

> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll give
> you the number.
>
>
> TFM®

bad shit. tell her i hope she feels better and will send up an atheist's
prayer.

your pal,
blake

"TFM®" > wrote in message
. com...
> She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
> appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
> this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
>
> If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll
> give you the number.

I'm so sorry to hear that. Please send Kili my best. Hope she feels much
better soon.

Mary

In article >,
"MareCat" > wrote:

> "TFM®" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > She's been in a lot of pain for a while and she just couldn't wait for an
> > appointment at the end of next week. She was admitted to Pasco Regional
> > this morning, and transferred to Tampa General at about noon.
> >
> > If any of y'all would like to call her to cheer her up, email me. I'll
> > give you the number.
>
> I'm so sorry to hear that. Please send Kili my best. Hope she feels much
> better soon.
>
> Mary

Just briefly talked to her, the docs were coming into the room when I
called so I could not stay on the phone with her.

News is not good.

I'd love very much please to invoke the power of group prayer. I've
seen it work before...
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet wrote:

<snip>
> I'm curious about what you are doing with them. Agility training and
> competition? Sounds like a lot of fun and I've not tried it. I'm
> betting my BC would love it if I knew how to train her for it.

We play flyball. A couple of weekends ago we travelled to Memphis for
the U-FLI National Championship that was held at the Showcase of Dogs -
a massive event benefitting St. Jude's Childrens Research Hospital.

Our team came only for the regular tournament, not the championship
because we didn't attend the regional qualifier but it was still a lot
of fun and we took first in our division.

In addition to flyball, just about every dog sport was represented -
conformation, obedience, disc dogs, agility, rally, freestyle, earthdog,
dock diving.

We are also regulars at local earthdog fun days. Cooper does racing,
lure coursing, go-to-ground and the barn hunt. The border collies do
lure coursing and the barn hunt but are not allowed to race or go to
ground, much to their disappointment. It's a size thing - they won't
fit in the holding boxes or the tunnels. I'm hoping that the sponsoring
club will add the Muskrat Swim this year. All three of mine swim
regularly out at the local trail and at Canine Country and Cooper is so
fast and streamlined that he literally leaves a v-shaped wake behind him
in the water.

We also make use of the dock diving facility at Canine Country. The BCs
compete in local fun matches, but the sport is dominated by retrievers.
Still, we have a good time, even though the local club's handlers
laugh at the border collies emerging from the water looking half their
previous size. Labs don't shrink much when they get wet.

Cooper refuses to leap off the dock. He cheats - runs around to the
side and uses the exit ramp to get into the water.


> More pics please?

I can't remember if I've posted this link before... These pictures were
taken at Lost Valley - a local hiking and mountain biking trail.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=...caleid=en _US