Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday 8/18. And
yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a rather large helping of
cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than
chuck roast! And it was nice and lean.

I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice packet"
annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied with kitchen
twine.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday 8/18.
> And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a rather large
> helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the price ($2.59/lb). It's
> cheaper than chuck roast! And it was nice and lean.
>
> I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice packet"
> annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied with kitchen
> twine.
>
> Jill


A bouquet garni? For corned beef? You don't eat the stock so what is the
point? I sure hope you used only the finest Jamaican pepper and Indonesian
bay leaves and Belgian spring water. Whatever.

Paul

jmcquown wrote:
> Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
> 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a rather
> large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the price
> ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was nice and lean.
>
> I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice
> packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
> with kitchen twine.
>
> Jill

Score! Jill, I know this whole thing has been kind of tough on you, but I'm
really proud of what you're doing for your mom. :~)

kili

On Aug 19, 3:57�am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday 8/18. �And
> yes! �Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a rather large helping of
> cabbage �YAY! �Couldn't get over the price ($2.59/lb). �It's cheaper than
> chuck roast! �And it was nice and lean.
>
> I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice packet"
> annoying. �I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied with kitchen
> twine.
>
> Jill

Tea ball infuser.

"kilikini" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
>> 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a rather
>> large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the price
>> ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was nice and lean.
>>
>> I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice
>> packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
>> with kitchen twine.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Score! Jill, I know this whole thing has been kind of tough on you, but
> I'm really proud of what you're doing for your mom. :~)
>

Sounds like her mom wanted a cheese omelet instead. But she got what a
person with a crippled colon "really" wants - spices.

Paul

Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
> > 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
> > rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the
> > price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was nice
> > and lean. I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the
> > "spice
> > packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
> > with kitchen twine.
> >
>
> A bouquet garni? For corned beef? You don't eat the stock so what
> is the point?

You must like munching on chopped pieces of bay leaf and peppercorns that
get stuck in the cabbage (which was cooked in the "stock".)

Jill

Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> "kilikini" > wrote in message
> ...
> > jmcquown wrote:
> > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
> > > 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
> > > rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the
> > > price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was
> > > nice and lean.
> > >
> > > I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice
> > > packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
> > > with kitchen twine.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > Score! Jill, I know this whole thing has been kind of tough on
> > you, but I'm really proud of what you're doing for your mom. :~)
> >
>
> Sounds like her mom wanted a cheese omelet instead. But she got what
> a person with a crippled colon "really" wants - spices.
>
> Paul

I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is "spicy"!

Jill

Sheldon > wrote:
> On Aug 19, 3:57�am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
> > 8/18. �And yes! �Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
> > rather large helping of cabbage �YAY! �Couldn't get over the
> > price ($2.59/lb). �It's cheaper than chuck roast! �And it was nice
> > and lean.
> >
> > I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice
> > packet" annoying. �I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
> > with kitchen twine.
> >
> > Jill
>
> Tea ball infuser.

That was a thought except I don't have one Had cheesecloth and kitchen
twine, though!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
>> > 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
>> > rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the
>> > price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was nice
>> > and lean. I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the
>> > "spice
>> > packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
>> > with kitchen twine.
>> >
>>
>> A bouquet garni? For corned beef? You don't eat the stock so what
>> is the point?
>
> You must like munching on chopped pieces of bay leaf and peppercorns that
> get stuck in the cabbage (which was cooked in the "stock".)

Never happened, getting stuck in my teeth that is. And I make this dish a
lot - 10 times a year easy. You don't boil the stuff for one, you poach it
basically with the veggies. And what is wrong with cooked peppercorns?
They are delightful, a real addition to the dish. I love taking a bite out
of the cabbage and having a peppercorn with it. It is just the best. And
just like the po foak of Ireland undoubtedly ate it.

Are you aware peppercorns were once so prized you could get hung if caught
smuggling them? They didn't have pepper mills or cheese cloth back then.

Paul

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> "kilikini" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > jmcquown wrote:
>> > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
>> > > 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
>> > > rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the
>> > > price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was
>> > > nice and lean. I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in
>> > > the "spice
>> > > packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
>> > > with kitchen twine.
>> > >
>> > > Jill
>> >
>> > Score! Jill, I know this whole thing has been kind of tough on
>> > you, but I'm really proud of what you're doing for your mom. :~)
>> >
>>
>> Sounds like her mom wanted a cheese omelet instead. But she got what
>> a person with a crippled colon "really" wants - spices.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is "spicy"!
>

It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper flake,
peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link between your mother's
recalcitrance and your cooking.

Paul

On Tue 19 Aug 2008 05:06:39a, Paul M. Cook told us...

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
>>> > 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
>>> > rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the
>>> > price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was nice
>>> > and lean. I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the
>>> > "spice packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth
>>> > tied with kitchen twine.
>>> >
>>>
>>> A bouquet garni? For corned beef? You don't eat the stock so what is
>>> the point?
>>
>> You must like munching on chopped pieces of bay leaf and peppercorns
>> that get stuck in the cabbage (which was cooked in the "stock".)
>
> Never happened, getting stuck in my teeth that is. And I make this dish
> a lot - 10 times a year easy. You don't boil the stuff for one, you
> poach it basically with the veggies. And what is wrong with cooked
> peppercorns? They are delightful, a real addition to the dish. I love
> taking a bite out of the cabbage and having a peppercorn with it. It is
> just the best. And just like the po foak of Ireland undoubtedly ate it.
>
> Are you aware peppercorns were once so prized you could get hung if
> caught smuggling them? They didn't have pepper mills or cheese cloth
> back then.
>
> Paul

"Back then", perhaps not, but we certainly have pepper mills, cheese cloth,
and spice balls today. Does it matter in the least that some people might
not like munching on the sharp edges of bay leaf or hard peppercorns after
they've already contributed their flavor to the dish? I, for one, do not.
It's particularly difficult for many who wear dentures and these bits get
underneath the denture and can be painful.

People have preferences and there is no reason to criticize someone else's
preference over yours.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> > > "kilikini" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner
> > > > > Monday 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned
> > > > > beef and a rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't
> > > > > get over the price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck
> > > > > roast! And it was nice and lean. I do find all the peppercorns
> > > > > and chopped bay
> > > > > leaf in the "spice
> > > > > packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth
> > > > > tied with kitchen twine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jill
> > > >
> > > > Score! Jill, I know this whole thing has been kind of tough on
> > > > you, but I'm really proud of what you're doing for your mom. :~)
> > >
> > > Sounds like her mom wanted a cheese omelet instead. But she got
> > > what a person with a crippled colon "really" wants - spices.
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is
> > "spicy"!
>
> It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper flake,
> peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link between your
> mother's recalcitrance and your cooking.
>
> Paul

Who said a damn thing about red pepper flakes?! Or onions? You obviously
ignored the part of my post saying Mom ate *two* slices of corned beef and a
LOT of cabbage. Yeah, I could tell she positively hated it. You're an
idiot.

Jill

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper flake,
> peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link between your
> mother's recalcitrance and your cooking.
>
> Paul
>


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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247...
> On Tue 19 Aug 2008 05:06:39a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
>>>> > 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
>>>> > rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the
>>>> > price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was nice
>>>> > and lean. I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the
>>>> > "spice packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth
>>>> > tied with kitchen twine.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> A bouquet garni? For corned beef? You don't eat the stock so what is
>>>> the point?
>>>
>>> You must like munching on chopped pieces of bay leaf and peppercorns
>>> that get stuck in the cabbage (which was cooked in the "stock".)
>>
>> Never happened, getting stuck in my teeth that is. And I make this dish
>> a lot - 10 times a year easy. You don't boil the stuff for one, you
>> poach it basically with the veggies. And what is wrong with cooked
>> peppercorns? They are delightful, a real addition to the dish. I love
>> taking a bite out of the cabbage and having a peppercorn with it. It is
>> just the best. And just like the po foak of Ireland undoubtedly ate it.
>>
>> Are you aware peppercorns were once so prized you could get hung if
>> caught smuggling them? They didn't have pepper mills or cheese cloth
>> back then.
>>
>> Paul
>
> "Back then", perhaps not, but we certainly have pepper mills, cheese
> cloth,
> and spice balls today. Does it matter in the least that some people might
> not like munching on the sharp edges of bay leaf or hard peppercorns after
> they've already contributed their flavor to the dish? I, for one, do not.
> It's particularly difficult for many who wear dentures and these bits get
> underneath the denture and can be painful.

Cooked peppercorns are as soft as butter. And bay leaves unless fallen
apart are intact and being 3 inches long pretty easy to avoid. Plus I am
cursed with a delicate colon and trust me I know how things like peppercorns
affect it. I eat them, and I love them, but boy howdy do I pay the price.
If you do not have a sensitive colon you cannot know how it affects you,
your taste buds and your sense of smell. They are all interconnected. And
the elderly have serious problems in this area. The dying even worse.

>
> People have preferences and there is no reason to criticize someone else's
> preference over yours.

Next thing we'll be arguing the best way to cook possum.

Paul

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> > > "kilikini" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > jmcquown wrote:
>> > > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner
>> > > > > Monday 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned
>> > > > > beef and a rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't
>> > > > > get over the price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck
>> > > > > roast! And it was nice and lean. I do find all the peppercorns
>> > > > > and chopped bay
>> > > > > leaf in the "spice
>> > > > > packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth
>> > > > > tied with kitchen twine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jill
>> > > >
>> > > > Score! Jill, I know this whole thing has been kind of tough on
>> > > > you, but I'm really proud of what you're doing for your mom. :~)
>> > >
>> > > Sounds like her mom wanted a cheese omelet instead. But she got
>> > > what a person with a crippled colon "really" wants - spices.
>> > >
>> > > Paul
>> >
>> > I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is
>> > "spicy"!
>>
>> It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper flake,
>> peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link between your
>> mother's recalcitrance and your cooking.
>>
>> Paul
>
> Who said a damn thing about red pepper flakes?! Or onions? You obviously
> ignored the part of my post saying Mom ate *two* slices of corned beef and
> a LOT of cabbage. Yeah, I could tell she positively hated it. You're an
> idiot.
>

Let's just say I'd never want you hovering over me in my final days. One
day the situation will be reversed. I am sure you'll want a self styled
"dietician" cramming food down your throat that you do not want to eat
because she feel the need to be "creative." Stephen King could write a book
about it. I think maybe he did.

Paul

Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
> > > > 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
> > > > rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the
> > > > price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was
> > > > nice and lean. I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay
> > > > leaf in the "spice
> > > > packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth
> > > > tied with kitchen twine.
> > > >
> > >
> > > A bouquet garni? For corned beef? You don't eat the stock so
> > > what is the point?
> >
> > You must like munching on chopped pieces of bay leaf and
> > peppercorns that get stuck in the cabbage (which was cooked in the
> > "stock".)
>
> Never happened, getting stuck in my teeth that is. And I make this
> dish a lot - 10 times a year easy. You don't boil the stuff for one,
> you poach it basically with the veggies. And what is wrong with
> cooked peppercorns? They are delightful, a real addition to the dish.
> I love taking a bite out of the cabbage and having a peppercorn with
> it. It is just the best. And just like the po foak of Ireland
> undoubtedly ate it.
The "po foak of Ireland" didn't eat corned beef, you jackass. Poor people
couldn't afford it. Care to look it up?

http://www.europeancuisines.com/The-...ef-and-cabbage

Or from this site:

http://www.kitchenproject.com/history/CornedBeef.htm

Only rich people could afford corned beef. The lower side of a southbound
pig, maybe. More likely just the cabbage and potatoes. Ever heard of
Colcannon? That's poor man's food. Delicious, but poor.

> Are you aware peppercorns were once so prized you could get hung if
> caught smuggling them? They didn't have pepper mills or cheese cloth
> back then.
And that matters to me because...???? Salt used to be used as currency,
too. Tea was taxed so heavily it practically started the American
Revolutionary War; having some made it a commodity. Chickory was
substituted or infused in coffee during the Civil War to replace or stretch
it because there was a coffee shortage. So what?!

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
>> > > > 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
>> > > > rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the
>> > > > price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was
>> > > > nice and lean. I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay
>> > > > leaf in the "spice
>> > > > packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth
>> > > > tied with kitchen twine.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > A bouquet garni? For corned beef? You don't eat the stock so
>> > > what is the point?
>> >
>> > You must like munching on chopped pieces of bay leaf and
>> > peppercorns that get stuck in the cabbage (which was cooked in the
>> > "stock".)
>>
>> Never happened, getting stuck in my teeth that is. And I make this
>> dish a lot - 10 times a year easy. You don't boil the stuff for one,
>> you poach it basically with the veggies. And what is wrong with
>> cooked peppercorns? They are delightful, a real addition to the dish.
>> I love taking a bite out of the cabbage and having a peppercorn with
>> it. It is just the best. And just like the po foak of Ireland
>> undoubtedly ate it.
> The "po foak of Ireland" didn't eat corned beef, you jackass. Poor people
> couldn't afford it. Care to look it up?
>
> http://www.europeancuisines.com/The-...ef-and-cabbage
>
> Or from this site:
>
> http://www.kitchenproject.com/history/CornedBeef.htm
>
> Only rich people could afford corned beef. The lower side of a southbound
> pig, maybe. More likely just the cabbage and potatoes. Ever heard of
> Colcannon? That's poor man's food. Delicious, but poor.
>
>> Are you aware peppercorns were once so prized you could get hung if
>> caught smuggling them? They didn't have pepper mills or cheese cloth
>> back then.
> And that matters to me because...???? Salt used to be used as currency,
> too. Tea was taxed so heavily it practically started the American
> Revolutionary War; having some made it a commodity. Chickory was
> substituted or infused in coffee during the Civil War to replace or
> stretch it because there was a coffee shortage. So what?!

Uh no on most accounts. Tea in the colonies was taxed and paid by sellers
but the real reason we did the tea party thing was in protest to George III
relieving the British East India Company of all import taxes to be paid in
the New World, thus forcing American companies out of business and
establishing a British monopoly. It was not a tax but the lack of one that
triggered it. Sort of the 18th century version of Reagonomics.

But I see your point, keep being a bitch. How about some nice fried
habaneros for mum? Ooooh ceviche!

Paul

Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> > > > > "kilikini" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner
> > > > > > > Monday 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned
> > > > > > > beef and a rather large helping of cabbage > > > > > Sounds
> > > > > > > like her mom wanted a cheese omelet instead. But she
> > > > > got what a person with a crippled colon "really" wants -
> > > > > spices. Paul
> > > >
> > > > I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is
> > > > "spicy"!
> > >
> > > It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper flake,
> > > peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link between
> > > your mother's recalcitrance and your cooking.
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > Who said a damn thing about red pepper flakes?! Or onions? You
> > obviously ignored the part of my post saying Mom ate *two* slices
> > of corned beef and a LOT of cabbage. Yeah, I could tell she
> > positively hated it. You're an idiot.
> >
>
> Let's just say I'd never want you hovering over me in my final days. One
> day the situation will be reversed. I am sure you'll want a self
> styled "dietician" cramming food down your throat that you do not
> want to eat because she feel the need to be "creative." Stephen King
> could write a book about it. I think maybe he did.
>
> Paul

You should be so lucky. If you have kids they are probably wondering what
they did to deserve you. And they probably won't give a rats ass what you
eat (or if you eat).

Do you honestly think I shop for and cook things without asking my mother
what she'd like? BZZZZT! But then, you're totally wrong about a lot of
things. So keep blethering about things you know nothing about. You seem
to be very good at it.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> > > . ..
>> > > > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> > > > > "kilikini" > wrote in message
>> > > > > ...
>> > > > > > jmcquown wrote:
>> > > > > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner
>> > > > > > > Monday 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned
>> > > > > > > beef and a rather large helping of cabbage > > > > > Sounds
>> > > > > > > like her mom wanted a cheese omelet instead. But she
>> > > > > got what a person with a crippled colon "really" wants -
>> > > > > spices. Paul
>> > > >
>> > > > I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is
>> > > > "spicy"!
>> > >
>> > > It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper flake,
>> > > peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link between
>> > > your mother's recalcitrance and your cooking.
>> > >
>> > > Paul
>> >
>> > Who said a damn thing about red pepper flakes?! Or onions? You
>> > obviously ignored the part of my post saying Mom ate *two* slices
>> > of corned beef and a LOT of cabbage. Yeah, I could tell she
>> > positively hated it. You're an idiot.
>> >
>>
>> Let's just say I'd never want you hovering over me in my final days. One
>> day the situation will be reversed. I am sure you'll want a self
>> styled "dietician" cramming food down your throat that you do not
>> want to eat because she feel the need to be "creative." Stephen King
>> could write a book about it. I think maybe he did.
>>
>> Paul
>
> You should be so lucky. If you have kids they are probably wondering what
> they did to deserve you. And they probably won't give a rats ass what you
> eat (or if you eat).
>

Projection. Do your cats ever write?

> Do you honestly think I shop for and cook things without asking my mother
> > what she'd like? BZZZZT! But then, you're totally wrong about a lot of
> things. So keep blethering about things you know nothing about. You seem
> to be very good at it.
>

Blathering, I do believe. Buth this kind of flies in the face of previous
posts where you rejected what she wants because you didn't find it
sufficienty challenging or interesting or nutritionally acceptable. You'll
know soon enough whereI come from.

Paul

Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
> > On Tue 19 Aug 2008 05:06:39a, Paul M. Cook told us...
> >
> > >
> > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> > > > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner
> > > > > > Monday 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned
> > > > > > beef and a rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get
> > > > > > over the price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than
> > > > > > chuck roast! And it was nice and lean. I do find all the
> > > > > > peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice packet"
> > > > > > annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
> > > > > > with kitchen twine.
> > > > >
> > > > > A bouquet garni? For corned beef? You don't eat the stock
> > > > > so what is the point?
> > > >
> > > > You must like munching on chopped pieces of bay leaf and
> > > > peppercorns that get stuck in the cabbage (which was cooked in
> > > > the "stock".)
> > >
> > > Never happened, getting stuck in my teeth that is. And I make
> > > this dish a lot - 10 times a year easy. You don't boil the stuff
> > > for one, you poach it basically with the veggies. And what is
> > > wrong with cooked peppercorns? They are delightful, a real
> > > addition to the dish. I love taking a bite out of the cabbage and
> > > having a peppercorn with it. It is just the best. And just like
> > > the po foak of Ireland undoubtedly ate it. Are you aware peppercorns
> > > were once so prized you could get hung
> > > if caught smuggling them? They didn't have pepper mills or
> > > cheese cloth back then.
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > "Back then", perhaps not, but we certainly have pepper mills, cheese
> > cloth,
> > and spice balls today. Does it matter in the least that some
> > people might not like munching on the sharp edges of bay leaf or
> > hard peppercorns after they've already contributed their flavor to
> > the dish? I, for one, do not. It's particularly difficult for many
> > who wear dentures and these bits get underneath the denture and can
> > be painful.
>
> Cooked peppercorns are as soft as butter. And bay leaves unless
> fallen apart are intact and being 3 inches long pretty easy to avoid.

Once again you don't read for comprehension. The bay leaves in the "spice
packet" (and I use that term loosely) are chopped. They can't be avoided.
They're chopped. HELLO!

> Plus I am cursed with a delicate colon and trust me I know how things
> like peppercorns affect it. I eat them, and I love them, but boy
> howdy do I pay the price. If you do not have a sensitive colon you
> cannot know how it affects you, your taste buds and your sense of
> smell. They are all interconnected. And the elderly have serious
> problems in this area. The dying even worse.
You're contradicting yourself all over the place. Why do you think I didn't
want to eat whole peppercorns?! I wanted the taste from the pepper, of
course. And if you think those tiny chopped pieces of bay leaf do your
colon any good... surprise!!!!

> > People have preferences and there is no reason to criticize someone
> > else's preference over yours.
>
> Next thing we'll be arguing the best way to cook possum.
>
I happen to have a good recipe for BBQ possum. I prefer rabbit though. And
it doesn't call for peppercorns or bay leaves.

Jill

On Aug 19, 8:00�am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Sheldon > wrote:
> > On Aug 19, 3:57 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday
> > > 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a
> > > rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the
> > > price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was nice
> > > and lean.
>
> > > I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice
> > > packet" annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
> > > with kitchen twine.
>
> > > Jill
>
> > Tea ball infuser.
>
> That was a thought except I don't have one �

Put it on the To-Buy list... every soup maven needs a few different
sizes.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw...ball&x=11&y=26

Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> > > > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > > > > . ..
> > > > > > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
> > > > > > > "kilikini" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was
> > > > > > > > > dinner Monday 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small
> > > > > > > > > slices of corned beef and a rather large helping of
> > > > > > > > > cabbage > > > > > Sounds like her mom wanted a
> > > > > > > > > cheese omelet instead. But she
> > > > > > > got what a person with a crippled colon "really" wants -
> > > > > > > spices. Paul
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is
> > > > > > "spicy"!
> > > > >
> > > > > It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper
> > > > > flake, peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link
> > > > > between your mother's recalcitrance and your cooking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > Who said a damn thing about red pepper flakes?! Or onions? You
> > > > obviously ignored the part of my post saying Mom ate *two*
> > > > slices of corned beef and a LOT of cabbage. Yeah, I could tell
> > > > she positively hated it. You're an idiot.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Let's just say I'd never want you hovering over me in my final
> > > days. One day the situation will be reversed. I am sure you'll
> > > want a self styled "dietician" cramming food down your throat
> > > that you do not want to eat because she feel the need to be
> > > "creative." Stephen
> > > King could write a book about it. I think maybe he did.
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > You should be so lucky. If you have kids they are probably
> > wondering what they did to deserve you. And they probably won't
> > give a rats ass what you eat (or if you eat).
> >
>
> Projection. Do your cats ever write?
>
> > Do you honestly think I shop for and cook things without asking my
> > mother > what she'd like? BZZZZT! But then, you're totally wrong
> > about a lot of things. So keep blethering about things you know
> > nothing about. You seem to be very good at it.
> >
>
> Blathering, I do believe. Buth this kind of flies in the face of
> previous posts where you rejected what she wants because you didn't
> find it sufficienty challenging or interesting or nutritionally
> acceptable. You'll know soon enough whereI come from.
>
> Paul

I've *never* rejected what she wants. Again, you don't read for
comprehension! I'm not trying to limit what she eats. I'm trying to make
sure she gets good nutrition AND enjoys a variety of food. It's really no
skin off my nose if she eats only omelets for the next year. But fact of
the matter is she requested I buy the corned beef and cabbage and she loved
it. This despite the fact that I used a bouquet garni for the PEPPERCORNS
(not pepper flakes, nor onions!) and CHOPPED bay leaves.

I'm done now with your crap.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:08:51 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:


>I'm done now with your crap.

So, come chat now..LOL.

Christine

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 5.247...
>> > On Tue 19 Aug 2008 05:06:39a, Paul M. Cook told us...
>> >
>> > >
>> > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> > > . ..
>> > > > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> > > > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> > > > > ...
>> > > > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner
>> > > > > > Monday 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned
>> > > > > > beef and a rather large helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't
>> > > > > > get over the price ($2.59/lb). It's cheaper than
>> > > > > > chuck roast! And it was nice and lean. I do find all the
>> > > > > > peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice packet"
>> > > > > > annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied
>> > > > > > with kitchen twine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > A bouquet garni? For corned beef? You don't eat the stock
>> > > > > so what is the point?
>> > > >
>> > > > You must like munching on chopped pieces of bay leaf and
>> > > > peppercorns that get stuck in the cabbage (which was cooked in
>> > > > the "stock".)
>> > >
>> > > Never happened, getting stuck in my teeth that is. And I make
>> > > this dish a lot - 10 times a year easy. You don't boil the stuff
>> > > for one, you poach it basically with the veggies. And what is
>> > > wrong with cooked peppercorns? They are delightful, a real
>> > > addition to the dish. I love taking a bite out of the cabbage and
>> > > having a peppercorn with it. It is just the best. And just like
>> > > the po foak of Ireland undoubtedly ate it. Are you aware peppercorns
>> > > were once so prized you could get hung
>> > > if caught smuggling them? They didn't have pepper mills or
>> > > cheese cloth back then.
>> > >
>> > > Paul
>> >
>> > "Back then", perhaps not, but we certainly have pepper mills, cheese
>> > cloth,
>> > and spice balls today. Does it matter in the least that some
>> > people might not like munching on the sharp edges of bay leaf or
>> > hard peppercorns after they've already contributed their flavor to
>> > the dish? I, for one, do not. It's particularly difficult for many
>> > who wear dentures and these bits get underneath the denture and can
>> > be painful.
>>
>> Cooked peppercorns are as soft as butter. And bay leaves unless
>> fallen apart are intact and being 3 inches long pretty easy to avoid.
>
> Once again you don't read for comprehension. The bay leaves in the "spice
> packet" (and I use that term loosely) are chopped. They can't be avoided.
> They're chopped. HELLO!
>
>> Plus I am cursed with a delicate colon and trust me I know how things
>> like peppercorns affect it. I eat them, and I love them, but boy
>> howdy do I pay the price. If you do not have a sensitive colon you
>> cannot know how it affects you, your taste buds and your sense of
>> smell. They are all interconnected. And the elderly have serious
>> problems in this area. The dying even worse.
> You're contradicting yourself all over the place. Why do you think I
> didn't want to eat whole peppercorns?! I wanted the taste from the
> pepper, of course. And if you think those tiny chopped pieces of bay leaf
> do your colon any good... surprise!!!!
>
>> > People have preferences and there is no reason to criticize someone
>> > else's preference over yours.
>>
>> Next thing we'll be arguing the best way to cook possum.
>>
> I happen to have a good recipe for BBQ possum. I prefer rabbit though.
> And it doesn't call for peppercorns or bay leaves.
>

I'd ask mom if she would like it and if she said yes, I'd be on the phone to
Elmer Fudd.

Paul

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
. ..
> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> > > . ..
>> > > > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> > > > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> > > > > . ..
>> > > > > > Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>> > > > > > > "kilikini" > wrote in message
>> > > > > > > ...
>> > > > > > > > jmcquown wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was
>> > > > > > > > > dinner Monday 8/18. And yes! Mom ate two small
>> > > > > > > > > slices of corned beef and a rather large helping of
>> > > > > > > > > cabbage > > > > > Sounds like her mom wanted a
>> > > > > > > > > cheese omelet instead. But she
>> > > > > > > got what a person with a crippled colon "really" wants -
>> > > > > > > spices. Paul
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is
>> > > > > > "spicy"!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper
>> > > > > flake, peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link
>> > > > > between your mother's recalcitrance and your cooking.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Paul
>> > > >
>> > > > Who said a damn thing about red pepper flakes?! Or onions? You
>> > > > obviously ignored the part of my post saying Mom ate *two*
>> > > > slices of corned beef and a LOT of cabbage. Yeah, I could tell
>> > > > she positively hated it. You're an idiot.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Let's just say I'd never want you hovering over me in my final
>> > > days. One day the situation will be reversed. I am sure you'll
>> > > want a self styled "dietician" cramming food down your throat
>> > > that you do not want to eat because she feel the need to be
>> > > "creative." Stephen
>> > > King could write a book about it. I think maybe he did.
>> > >
>> > > Paul
>> >
>> > You should be so lucky. If you have kids they are probably
>> > wondering what they did to deserve you. And they probably won't
>> > give a rats ass what you eat (or if you eat).
>> >
>>
>> Projection. Do your cats ever write?
>>
>> > Do you honestly think I shop for and cook things without asking my
>> > mother > what she'd like? BZZZZT! But then, you're totally wrong
>> > about a lot of things. So keep blethering about things you know
>> > nothing about. You seem to be very good at it.
>> >
>>
>> Blathering, I do believe. Buth this kind of flies in the face of
>> previous posts where you rejected what she wants because you didn't
>> find it sufficienty challenging or interesting or nutritionally
>> acceptable. You'll know soon enough whereI come from.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I've *never* rejected what she wants. Again, you don't read for
> comprehension! I'm not trying to limit what she eats. I'm trying to make
> sure she gets good nutrition AND enjoys a variety of food. It's really no
> skin off my nose if she eats only omelets for the next year. But fact of
> the matter is she requested I buy the corned beef and cabbage and she
> loved it. This despite the fact that I used a bouquet garni for the
> PEPPERCORNS (not pepper flakes, nor onions!) and CHOPPED bay leaves.
>
> I'm done now with your crap.

A corned beef without pepper flake? Bleah.

Paul

"Randy Johnson" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 19-Aug-2008, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>> Next thing we'll be arguing the best way to cook possum.
>>
>> Paul
>
> But, dude, you're the one arguing. She fixed it the way she likes it and
> you are tellin' her that the way she likes it is all wrong and she should
> like it the way you do.

When you cook for the terminally aged, you cook for them and on your way
home pick up a double cheeseburger with bacon, onions, and extra pickels.
Or you snarf it down in the bathroom while they are sleeping.

> Oh, and possum should be roasted, on wire rack or somthin' so it don't sit
> in a pool of fat. And you hafta use a blue speckled enamel roasting pan.

So no Le Creuset?

Paul

jmcquown wrote:
> Didn't get around to making it on Sunday so it was dinner Monday 8/18.
> And yes! Mom ate two small slices of corned beef and a rather large
> helping of cabbage YAY! Couldn't get over the price ($2.59/lb).
> It's cheaper than chuck roast! And it was nice and lean.
>
> I do find all the peppercorns and chopped bay leaf in the "spice packet"
> annoying. I put it in a double layer of cheesecloth tied with kitchen
> twine.
>
> Jill

Glad to hear that you found something that your Mom will eat...

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:00:15 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>Put it on the To-Buy list... every soup maven needs a few different
>sizes.
>
>http://www.amazon

Or the local Dollar Store.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message news:g8ed0f$md0
<snip>

> And just like the po foak of Ireland undoubtedly ate it.
>
To the contrary, the poor folk of Ireland did NOT eat corned beef and
cabbage.

"Van" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper flake,
>> peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link between your
>> mother's recalcitrance and your cooking.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
>
> <PLONK>

Really. He's just become the first person I've ever killfiled in this ng.

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> Paul M. Cook > wrote:


[snipped rude remark]

> I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is "spicy"!


Around here they sell a "spicy" version. The spice packet has hot red
pepper flakes in it.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:00:23 -0400, "Janet" >
wrote:

>
>"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message news:g8ed0f$md0
><snip>
>
>> And just like the po foak of Ireland undoubtedly ate it.
>>
>To the contrary, the poor folk of Ireland did NOT eat corned beef and
>cabbage.
>
http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.co...BeefCabge.html


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:05:58 -0400, "Janet" >
wrote:

>
>"Van" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> It is if you make it right. Nothing spicy about red pepper flake,
>>> peppercorns and onions. No no no. I am seeing a link between your
>>> mother's recalcitrance and your cooking.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>> <PLONK>
>
>Really. He's just become the first person I've ever killfiled in this ng.
>
slow poke!


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:08:27 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>> Paul M. Cook > wrote:
>
>
>[snipped rude remark]
>
>> I feel sorry for you if you think corned beef and cabbage is "spicy"!
>
>
>Around here they sell a "spicy" version. The spice packet has hot red
>pepper flakes in it.

I like the version with red pepper. I also add more "pickling spices"
to it, just because I like it highly seasoned. IMO, if you want
boiled beef, then that's what you should do. I want lots of flavor
with my corned beef.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Janet wrote:
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message news:g8ed0f$md0
> <snip>
>
>> And just like the po foak of Ireland undoubtedly ate it.
>>
> To the contrary, the poor folk of Ireland did NOT eat corned beef and
> cabbage.
>
>

I think they ate boiled bacon and cabbage. The poor folk of Newfoundland
in Canada eat salt beef and cabbage.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Janet > wrote:

> Really. He's just become the first person I've ever killfiled in this ng.

After the first few arguments with the moron, I could pretty much
predict his future here. The guy's a typical narcissist.

-sw