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Why not refrigerate everything?
Why not refrigerate everything?
I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by the landlord but on the small side to say the least. However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot. But I had what may be and even better idea.... what would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can goods? I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and get additional freezer space..... but also get additional fridge space where I could store boxes of cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't think abt storing in a fridge. What you think abt my idea? Do many out there put things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in there..... granola bars, cereals, breads? Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and forget abt the extra fridge space? |
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On Jul 28, 7:19*am, wrote:
> Why not refrigerate everything? > Why would you want to? > ......what > would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can > goods? * > what would be right about it? > > What you think abt my idea? I think you haven't said what the problem is with storing things in the cupboard. Do you have bug infestations? Do you have phobias? Do you think (wrongly in most cases) that food products meant for shelf storage will last longer in the refrigerator? Most apartment dwellers who cook for only one person don't find cold storage space inadequate. What are the circumstances that make you want more? -aem |
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> Why not refrigerate everything? > > I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by > the landlord but on the small side to say the least. > > However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer > to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store > more foods in bulk. �I live alone. If you live alone why do you need to stash so much food, are you paranoid about running out of food, are there no stupidmarkets nearby... it's always better to buy fresh and/or take advantage of the store's fridges/freezers. And if your landlord is paying for your electric you'll not be permitted to have an extra fridge or freezer, and rightly so. And if you're paying for electric you won't be able to save enough money buying sale items to cover the price of the appliance and your additional electric bill. If you have extra cash sitting around you'd be far wiser putting it into an interest bearing savings account than to invest in foods for stockpiling, many of which you'll never consume... trust me, simply because you have the space you will fill it, mainly with larger quantites of perishables than you can consume before they spoil. |
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... > Why not refrigerate everything? > > I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by > the landlord but on the small side to say the least. > > However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer > to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store > more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE > freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot. > > But I had what may be and even better idea.... what > would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can > goods? Not olive oil either. It solidifies when it's refrigerated. There's certain things that can't be refrigerated, like some chocolate coatings for ice cream. And you probably don't want to refrigerate hard candies like M&Ms and taffy or you can damage your teeth/fillings. W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.) |
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sf wrote:
>I think it depends on where you live. When my dad lived in Hawaii, >they routinely kept anything bugs might like to live in or eat in the >refrigerator or freezer. Ha! That was another reason why I was thinking abt a fridge for everything..... BUGS!! I have em too here! |
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aem > wrote:
>I think you haven't said what the problem is with storing things in >the cupboard. Do you have bug infestations? Do you have phobias? Do >you think (wrongly in most cases) that food products meant for shelf >storage will last longer in the refrigerator? All of the above >Most apartment dwellers who cook for only one person don't find cold >storage space inadequate. What are the circumstances that make you >want more? -aem Convenience. To be able to REALLY stock up and only go to store once a month |
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> > To be able to REALLY stock up and only go > to store once a month Just because it works for you what makes you think all single guys need more time alone to spend with their blow up doll. |
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Sheldon > wrote:
>Just because it works for you what makes you think all single guys >need more time alone to spend with their blow up doll. ha ha u r foony! |
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Julia Altshuler > wrote:
>Also consider wasted energy costs. It costs a lot to keep all that >stuff cold. If I had the freezer anyway, and if the freezer were >keeping ice cream and ice cubes frozen anyway, and if I used flour only >infrequently, then it would make sense to put the flour in a heavy >plastic airtight bag and keep it in the freezer. But I wouldn't buy a >freezer and plug it in for that purpose. My energy bills would go up, >and for what purpose? Well the question isn't whether to get something or NOT get something...... as at the very least I WILL be getting a small freezer the question is... whether to get a stand alone freezer or to get another fridge that will allow extra freezer space as well as fridge space |
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(snip) However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot. (snip) ================================= I think perhaps you mean "supplement" (to add to) not "supplant" (to take the place of). Besides, many fruits and vegetables may be damaged by refrigeration: peaches, tomatoes, bananas. potatoes . . . Lynn in Fargo |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:53:12 -0700 (PDT), Lynn from Fargo
> wrote: >Besides, many fruits and vegetables may be damaged by refrigeration: >peaches, tomatoes, bananas. potatoes . . . ....and a storage cabinet doesn't require electricity. |
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> wrote in message ... > sf wrote: > >>I think it depends on where you live. When my dad lived in Hawaii, >>they routinely kept anything bugs might like to live in or eat in the >>refrigerator or freezer. > > Ha! > > That was another reason why I was thinking abt a fridge > for everything..... BUGS!! > > I have em too here! I live in East Texas, and we get *lots* of bugs here. I had a problem with weevils when I lived in an apartment. I followed all the instructions to get rid of them -- threw away everything with grains or flour (even sealed boxes), washed canned goods, etc. That helped, but then I opened a can of spices one day...and there were weevils. Groan! The thing that helped me completely eliminate the problem is just what you are suggesting. I started to store everything like cereal in the refrigerator, and I kept flour in the freezer. That solved the problem. (Of course, I don't eat any flour since being diagnosed with diabetes, and that eliminated weevils and also freed up space in the refrigerator. ;o) ) MaryL |
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MaryL wrote:
> I live in East Texas, and we get *lots* of bugs here. I had a problem > with weevils when I lived in an apartment. I followed all the > instructions to get rid of them -- threw away everything with grains or > flour (even sealed boxes), washed canned goods, etc. That helped, but > then I opened a can of spices one day...and there were weevils. Groan! > The thing that helped me completely eliminate the problem is just what > you are suggesting. I started to store everything like cereal in the > refrigerator, and I kept flour in the freezer. That solved the > problem. (Of course, I don't eat any flour since being diagnosed with > diabetes, and that eliminated weevils and also freed up space in the > refrigerator. ;o) ) > > MaryL We are just across the border in Louisiana, and we have stayed bug-free, so far. <knock wood> Sorry to hear about the diabetes. How are you handling the heat? It was 105 today! Becca |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> Also, with all that stuff in the fridge, where do you have room to store a > body should the need suddenly arise? I think that's the best argument that's been posted against refrigerating everything in sight. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html |
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On Mon 28 Jul 2008 07:19:15a, told us...
> Why not refrigerate everything? > > I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by > the landlord but on the small side to say the least. > > However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer > to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store > more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE > freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot. > > But I had what may be and even better idea.... what > would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can > goods? > > I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and > get additional freezer space..... but also get > additional fridge space where I could store boxes of > cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't > think abt storing in a fridge. > > What you think abt my idea? Do many out there put > things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in > there..... granola bars, cereals, breads? > > Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and > forget abt the extra fridge space? My personal preference is having a freezer in addition to the kitchen refrigerator/freezer. I made sure that I got a freezer than can maintain 15-20° below 0, whereas most refrigerator freezers will only maintain 0°. This gives you much longer storage time. Besides the usual frozen items; e.g., meats, packaged frozen foods, ice cream, etc., I stock up on butter and other items that store well frozen. With the exception of all-purpose flour which does not contain the germ, I keep all flours, grains, cereals, breads, etc., in the freezer. I also keep my larger quantities of spices and herbs in well-sealed containers in the freezer. Frozen items for more immediate use are kept in the fridge/freezer. I don't have a need for expanded refrigerator space, however, I do have a rather large refrigerator. There are only two of us in our household. Before making a decision, it would be helpful to you to take an inventory of what types of foods you normally would have on hand, or what you might anticipate keeping, either frozen or refrigerated. My refrigerator only contains things like milk, juices and other beverages, eggs, fresh produce, condiments, and leftovers that I plan on using within a few days. Cooking for one gives you the opportunity to cook larger quantities and divide them into serving portions to be kept in the freezer. This allows you to enjoy dishes that you might not otherwise make if you had large portions of leftovers. Hope this helps... -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Monday, 07(VII)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- The tuna doesn't taste the same without the dolphin. ------------------------------------------- |
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > My personal preference is having a freezer in addition to the kitchen > refrigerator/freezer. I made sure that I got a freezer than can maintain > 15-20° below 0, whereas most refrigerator freezers will only maintain 0°. Presumably, you mean degrees C, not F. |
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On Mon 28 Jul 2008 05:46:58p, Mark Thorson told us...
> Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> >> My personal preference is having a freezer in addition to the kitchen >> refrigerator/freezer. I made sure that I got a freezer than can maintain >> 15-20° below 0, whereas most refrigerator freezers will only maintain 0°. > > Presumably, you mean degrees C, not F. > No, I mean degrees F. Most home refrigerator freezers in the US are designed to maintain 0 degrees F, although some will run as low as minus 5- 10 degrees F. Many, but not all, stand-alone home freezers are capable of maintaining minus 15-20 degrees F. Few are capable of lower temperatures than that. Some only maintain 0 degrees F. Almost any freezer capable of maintaining lower than minus 20 degrees F would be a commercial freezer. At least that's what I've found when shopping. I'd be interested in knowing otherwise. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Monday, 07(VII)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Cats must push the VCR off the top of the TV. ------------------------------------------- |
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On Jul 28, 10:38*am, wrote:
> aem > wrote: > >I think you haven't said what the problem is with storing things in > >the cupboard. *Do you have bug infestations? *Do you have phobias? *Do > >you *think (wrongly in most cases) that food products meant for shelf > >storage will last longer in the refrigerator? > > All of the above > If you mean that, buying a freezer won't help. It won't clean up your bug infestations and it won't cure your phobias. > >Most apartment dwellers who cook for only one person don't find cold > >storage space inadequate. *What are the circumstances that make you > >want more? * * -aem > > Convenience. To be able to REALLY stock up and only go > to store once a month In general, that's not a goal worth pursuing. Specifically as to quality cooking and eating it's a counter-productive goal. -aem |
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"aem" > wrote : >In general, that's not a goal worth pursuing. Specifically as to >quality cooking and eating it's a counter-productive goal. My one-word response: texture. |
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<sf> wrote in message > > Where do you plan to put this? Apartments aren't very spacious. > Talk about incorrect generalizations. |
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On Mon 28 Jul 2008 08:08:58p, Edwin Pawlowski told us...
> > <sf> wrote in message >> >> Where do you plan to put this? Apartments aren't very spacious. >> > > Talk about incorrect generalizations. Very true. When we first moved to AZ, the house we were having built at the time was not finished and we knew it would be several months before it would be, so had pre-arranged for an apartment to span the time frame. The apartment was 4 bedrooms and approximately 2600 sq. ft., which was about the same size of the house we were building. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Monday, 07(VII)/28(XXVIII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Purrinoia:fear that the cat is up to something. ------------------------------------------- |
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Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
> <sf> wrote in message > > > > Where do you plan to put this? Apartments aren't very spacious. > > > > Talk about incorrect generalizations. So true, Ed! I've lived in small, charming apartments and quite spacious ones. I've attended parties in apartments that put the size of some houses to shame. Jill |
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"Becca" > wrote in message ... > MaryL wrote: > >> I live in East Texas, and we get *lots* of bugs here. I had a problem >> with weevils when I lived in an apartment. I followed all the >> instructions to get rid of them -- threw away everything with grains or >> flour (even sealed boxes), washed canned goods, etc. That helped, but >> then I opened a can of spices one day...and there were weevils. Groan! >> The thing that helped me completely eliminate the problem is just what >> you are suggesting. I started to store everything like cereal in the >> refrigerator, and I kept flour in the freezer. That solved the problem. >> (Of course, I don't eat any flour since being diagnosed with diabetes, >> and that eliminated weevils and also freed up space in the refrigerator. >> ;o) ) >> >> MaryL > > We are just across the border in Louisiana, and we have stayed bug-free, > so far. <knock wood> Sorry to hear about the diabetes. > > How are you handling the heat? It was 105 today! > > Becca > *Very* hot here, too...temps in the three-digit mark for the last few days. Fortunately, it hasn't been as humid as it often is at this time of year. MaryL |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:08:58 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
wrote: > ><sf> wrote in message >> >> Where do you plan to put this? Apartments aren't very spacious. >> > >Talk about incorrect generalizations. > OK, I should have said "most". However, just from your remark, the apartments I think are spacious are most likely NOT the apartments you think are spacious. -- I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond. Mae West |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:12:57 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote: >The >apartment was 4 bedrooms and approximately 2600 sq. ft., which was about >the same size of the house we were building. 4, no, but make that 2 bedrooms in 2600 sf and I'd say it was spacious. -- I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond. Mae West |
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On Tue 29 Jul 2008 08:03:20a, told us...
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:12:57 GMT, Wayne Boatwright > > wrote: > >>The >>apartment was 4 bedrooms and approximately 2600 sq. ft., which was about >>the same size of the house we were building. > > 4, no, but make that 2 bedrooms in 2600 sf and I'd say it was > spacious. > > Well, it felt spacious, especially for an apartment. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 07(VII)/29(XXIX)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Oxymoron: Rush hour. ------------------------------------------- |
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Julia Altshuler > wrote:
>Think >of running out of space, taking oatmeal out of the freezer, and having >it get moist from condensation before you can use it. Bad idea. Ok but what abt refrigerating instead of freezing? You see....with a second fridge I would have extra fridge space as well as extra freezer space |
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Sheldon > wrote:
>If you live alone why do you need to stash so much food, are you >paranoid about running out of food, are there no stupidmarkets >nearby... it's always better to buy fresh and/or take advantage of the >store's fridges/freezers. And if your landlord is paying for your >electric you'll not be permitted to have an extra fridge or freezer, >and rightly so. And if you're paying for electric you won't be able >to save enough money buying sale items to cover the price of the >appliance and your additional electric bill. If you have extra cash >sitting around you'd be far wiser putting it into an interest bearing >savings account than to invest in foods for stockpiling, many of which >you'll never consume... trust me, simply because you have the space >you will fill it, mainly with larger quantites of perishables than you >can consume before they spoil. I live in northern Missouri where winters are BAD! there are times when it damn near impossible to get to the store or a severe inconvenience in the least |
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On Wed 30 Jul 2008 08:49:26p, told us...
> Julia Altshuler > wrote: > >>Think >>of running out of space, taking oatmeal out of the freezer, and having >>it get moist from condensation before you can use it. Bad idea. > > Ok but what abt refrigerating instead of freezing? > > You see....with a second fridge I would have extra > fridge space as well as extra freezer space > Only you can decide that, based on what your needs are. Either option is a good one, and there are trade-offs with each. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Wednesday, 07(VII)/30(XXX)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- You have a fine personality..but not for a human ------------------------------------------- |
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> Sheldon wrote: > >If you live alone why do you need to stash so much food, are you > >paranoid about running out of food, are there no stupidmarkets > >nearby... it's always better to buy fresh and/or take advantage of the > >store's fridges/freezers. �And if your landlord is paying for your > >electric you'll not be permitted to have an extra fridge or freezer, > >and rightly so. �And if you're paying for electric you won't be able > >to save enough money buying sale items to cover the price of the > >appliance and your additional electric bill. �If you have extra cash > >sitting around you'd be far wiser putting it into an interest bearing > >savings account than to invest in foods for stockpiling, many of which > >you'll never consume... trust me, simply because you have the space > >you will fill it, mainly with larger quantites of perishables than you > >can consume before they spoil. > > I live in northern Missouri where winters are BAD! I live in northern NY where winters are bad, not north pole BAD! I bet you never once had to hitch up a team of huskies so you get to a store. > there are times when it damn near impossible to get to > the store or a severe inconvenience in the least Even when I get two feet of snow within two days there has never been a time I couldn't get to a store pretty much whenever I wanted... the roads are plowed and salted/sanded continuously, as are the store parking lots... my only deterent is the hour or so it takes to clear my own driveway... I check the weather forecast and sometimes it pays to wait 2-3 days for the same gal who dumped the snow to take it away. Otherwise I give Mother Nature a push with my big plow. I have two ordinary average sized refrigerator freezers, one in my kitchen, the other in my basement. I've never yet needed all that freezer space (it's not wise to jam stuff into a freezer anyway), I make much more use of the extra fridge space... and even then it's really just a minor convenience... I store some things in the basement fridge because I don't like my kitchen fridge so squeezed in that it's always a hassle to rearrange every time I need to get something out or put something in. I keep a lot of canned/jarred items in the basement fridge simply because I like them to be cold when I decide to use them... I keep all my canned tuna, sardines and other canned fish in the fridge because it's usually a spur of the moment decision when to eat those. Condiments maintain flavor and color longer refrigerated so I keep those in the fridge as well. And of course any and all drinks are always at the ready when kept cold, large bottles of liquid are also an excellent cold sink, so operating costs are kept significantly lower. And it's really dumb to fill a freezer with low mass foods, like bread. If you find yourself with spare freezer space an excellent high mass food is chocolate bars, and vodka. I kinda know about when winter is nigh (don't you own a calender), so then I stock up with a little extra cold weather fare provisions... but no one in the US needs more than three months worth of any food, most perishables no more than two weeks worth is all anyone needs... any more then one definitley has a mental problem/phobia. |
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Sheldon > wrote:
>I have two ordinary average sized refrigerator freezers, one in my >kitchen, the other in my basement. Well I have thought abt TWO fridges vs one fridge and one freezer You have that and it works well for you it seems? |
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> wrote in message ... > Why not refrigerate everything? > > I live in an apartment and the fridge is supplied by > the landlord but on the small side to say the least. > > However, I've been thinking abt buying a small freezer > to supplant the fridge and give me the ability to store > more foods in bulk. I live alone so don't need a HUGE > freezer..... maybe 7 cu foot. > > But I had what may be and even better idea.... what > would be wrong with refrigerating EVRYTHING except can > goods? > > I could buy another fridge with built in freezer and > get additional freezer space..... but also get > additional fridge space where I could store boxes of > cereal, oatmeal, and other things you normally don't > think abt storing in a fridge. > > What you think abt my idea? Do many out there put > things in a fridge that doesn't normally go in > there..... granola bars, cereals, breads? > > Or am I best to just buy a small freezer ONLY and > forget abt the extra fridge space? I am an apartment dweller. I put a 5 cu ft freezer in the kitchen. Best thing I ever did. I buy in bulk now. Between the freezer and the FoodSaver, it saves money and space. |
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"Sheldon" > wrote in message ... wrote: > Sheldon wrote: > >If you live alone why do you need to stash so much food, are you > >paranoid about running out of food, are there no stupidmarkets > >nearby... it's always better to buy fresh and/or take advantage of the > >store's fridges/freezers. ?And if your landlord is paying for your > >electric you'll not be permitted to have an extra fridge or freezer, > >and rightly so. ?And if you're paying for electric you won't be able > >to save enough money buying sale items to cover the price of the > >appliance and your additional electric bill. ?If you have extra cash > >sitting around you'd be far wiser putting it into an interest bearing > >savings account than to invest in foods for stockpiling, many of which > >you'll never consume... trust me, simply because you have the space > >you will fill it, mainly with larger quantites of perishables than you > >can consume before they spoil. > > I live in northern Missouri where winters are BAD! I live in northern NY where winters are bad, not north pole BAD! I bet you never once had to hitch up a team of huskies so you get to a store. > there are times when it damn near impossible to get to > the store or a severe inconvenience in the least Even when I get two feet of snow within two days there has never been a time I couldn't get to a store pretty much whenever I wanted... the roads are plowed and salted/sanded continuously, as are the store parking lots... my only deterent is the hour or so it takes to clear my own driveway... I check the weather forecast and sometimes it pays to wait 2-3 days for the same gal who dumped the snow to take it away. Otherwise I give Mother Nature a push with my big plow. I have two ordinary average sized refrigerator freezers, one in my kitchen, the other in my basement. I've never yet needed all that freezer space (it's not wise to jam stuff into a freezer anyway), I make much more use of the extra fridge space... and even then it's really just a minor convenience... I store some things in the basement fridge because I don't like my kitchen fridge so squeezed in that it's always a hassle to rearrange every time I need to get something out or put something in. I keep a lot of canned/jarred items in the basement fridge simply because I like them to be cold when I decide to use them... I keep all my canned tuna, sardines and other canned fish in the fridge because it's usually a spur of the moment decision when to eat those. Condiments maintain flavor and color longer refrigerated so I keep those in the fridge as well. And of course any and all drinks are always at the ready when kept cold, large bottles of liquid are also an excellent cold sink, so operating costs are kept significantly lower. And it's really dumb to fill a freezer with low mass foods, like bread. If you find yourself with spare freezer space an excellent high mass food is chocolate bars, and vodka. I kinda know about when winter is nigh (don't you own a calender), so then I stock up with a little extra cold weather fare provisions... but no one in the US needs more than three months worth of any food, most perishables no more than two weeks worth is all anyone needs... any more then one definitley has a mental problem/phobia. I agree and disagree with you Sheldon. The OP sounds as though he is a single guy-probably with his first apt in a city or a climate he is not familiar with. He sounds like he is afraid of <driving in> the snow/ice. For his purposes, another fridge or freezer is really not an option. However, assuming he cooks for more than 1 or 2, the addition may be a good option. It would allow him to buy in bulk or give him an opportunity to keep ingredients while he cans stuff himself, or makes his own sausage. My suspicion however, is that he does none of that. He's a kid that hasn't gotten that far. |
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