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If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen
in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously lost control of her kid when he was very young. There were two Chinese women in front of me, an elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one was translating for the older one, and as it turned out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to translate, because the older woman didn't speak any English at all. As I stood there and learned more of the story, it appeared the older woman was trying to return a watch battery. She had the original packaging for the battery, and the watch that the battery was put into, but the problem was that the battery was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want to give a refund without getting the battery back. Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer and can of olives while the women were making their case for a refund. I don't know how it was resolved, but I did give the poor clerk a smile in sympathy with her dilemma. |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen > in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with > the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've > ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously > lost control of her kid when he was very young. > > There were two Chinese women in front of me, an > elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one > was translating for the older one, and as it turned > out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to > translate, because the older woman didn't speak > any English at all. > > As I stood there and learned more of the story, > it appeared the older woman was trying to return > a watch battery. She had the original packaging > for the battery, and the watch that the battery > was put into, but the problem was that the battery > was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the > battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want > to give a refund without getting the battery back. Stores are usually reluctant to give refunds on batteries...... period. How are they to know that is the battery they sold her and not the old one that she was replacing? |
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Dave Smith > wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote: > > > As I stood there and learned more of the story, > > it appeared the older woman was trying to return > > a watch battery. She had the original packaging > > for the battery, and the watch that the battery > > was put into, but the problem was that the battery > > was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the > > battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want > > to give a refund without getting the battery back. > > Stores are usually reluctant to give refunds on > batteries...... period. How are they to know that is the > battery they sold her and not the old one that she was > replacing? Even if it was the new battery, *someone* knew how to get it into the watch. They should certainly have been able to get it out again. Jill |
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jmcquown wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote: > > Mark Thorson wrote: > > > > > As I stood there and learned more of the story, > > > it appeared the older woman was trying to return > > > a watch battery. She had the original packaging > > > for the battery, and the watch that the battery > > > was put into, but the problem was that the battery > > > was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the > > > battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want > > > to give a refund without getting the battery back. > > > > Stores are usually reluctant to give refunds on > > batteries...... period. How are they to know that is the > > battery they sold her and not the old one that she was > > replacing? > > Even if it was the new battery, *someone* knew how to get it into the watch. > They should certainly have been able to get it out again. Someone might, but perhaps not a cashier. Some watches are not easy to open. |
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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message ... > If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen > in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with > the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've > ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously > lost control of her kid when he was very young. > > There were two Chinese women in front of me, an > elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one > was translating for the older one, and as it turned > out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to > translate, because the older woman didn't speak > any English at all. > > As I stood there and learned more of the story, > it appeared the older woman was trying to return > a watch battery. She had the original packaging > for the battery, and the watch that the battery > was put into, but the problem was that the battery > was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the > battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want > to give a refund without getting the battery back. > > Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer > and can of olives while the women were making their > case for a refund. I don't know how it was resolved, > but I did give the poor clerk a smile in sympathy > with her dilemma. Go here and click on "maninline' http://bargswan.multiply.com/video/i.../maninline.wmv Or google "maninline video". :-) One of the best I have seen. -- Old Scoundrel (AKA Dimitri) |
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"Dimitri" > wrote in message ... > > "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message > ... >> If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen >> in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with >> the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've >> ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously >> lost control of her kid when he was very young. >> >> There were two Chinese women in front of me, an >> elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one >> was translating for the older one, and as it turned >> out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to >> translate, because the older woman didn't speak >> any English at all. >> >> As I stood there and learned more of the story, >> it appeared the older woman was trying to return >> a watch battery. She had the original packaging >> for the battery, and the watch that the battery >> was put into, but the problem was that the battery >> was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the >> battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want >> to give a refund without getting the battery back. >> >> Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer >> and can of olives while the women were making their >> case for a refund. I don't know how it was resolved, >> but I did give the poor clerk a smile in sympathy >> with her dilemma. > > Go here and click on "maninline' > > http://bargswan.multiply.com/video/i.../maninline.wmv > > Or google "maninline video". > > :-) > > One of the best I have seen. > > > -- > Old Scoundrel > > (AKA Dimitri) > Good one!....Mandy Patinkin right? |
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"biig" > wrote in message ... > > "Dimitri" > wrote in message > ... <snip> >> Go here and click on "maninline' >> >> http://bargswan.multiply.com/video/i.../maninline.wmv >> >> Or google "maninline video". >> >> :-) >> >> One of the best I have seen. >> >> >> -- >> Old Scoundrel >> >> (AKA Dimitri) >> > Good one!....Mandy Patinkin right? I am about as sure it's him as you are. 99.99% -- Old Scoundrel (AKA Dimitri) |
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Dimitri wrote:
> > "biig" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Dimitri" > wrote in message >> ... > > <snip> > > >>> Go here and click on "maninline' >>> >>> http://bargswan.multiply.com/video/i.../maninline.wmv >>> >>> Or google "maninline video". >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> One of the best I have seen. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Old Scoundrel >>> >>> (AKA Dimitri) >>> >> Good one!....Mandy Patinkin right? > > I am about as sure it's him as you are. 99.99% > > Oh, absolutely it's Mandel... And a great delivery! |
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Dave Bell > wrote:
> Dimitri wrote: > > > > "biig" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > > > "Dimitri" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > Go here and click on "maninline' > > > > > > > > http://bargswan.multiply.com/video/i.../maninline.wmv > > > > > > > > Or google "maninline video". > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > One of the best I have seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Old Scoundrel > > > > > > > > (AKA Dimitri) > > > > > > > Good one!....Mandy Patinkin right? > > > > I am about as sure it's him as you are. 99.99% > > > > > Oh, absolutely it's Mandel... > And a great delivery! Mandy isn't Howie, and that's Mandy, for sure Great video clip, thanks Dimitri! Jill |
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"Dimitri" > wrote: > >> > > Good one!....Mandy Patinkin right? > > I am about as sure it's him as you are. 99.99% 100%. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ rec.food.cooking Preserved Fruit Administrator "Always in a jam. Never in a stew." - Evergene |
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Dimitri > wrote in message
... [snip] > Go here and click on "maninline' > > http://bargswan.multiply.com/video/i.../maninline.wmv > I _wish_ people would step up like that! It's a nice snippet, though. Thanks. The Ranger |
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"The Ranger" > wrote in message ... > Dimitri > wrote in message > ... > [snip] >> Go here and click on "maninline' >> >> http://bargswan.multiply.com/video/i.../maninline.wmv >> > > I _wish_ people would step up like that! It's a nice snippet, though. > Thanks. > You would. |
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Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> "The Ranger" > news:14CdnQW9artuJ-XVnZ2dnUVZ_g- > OMFG... I love it. BUT I feel for the kids in the car.Sheesh... "It's shameful..." |
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Dave Bell wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote: >> OMFG... I love it. BUT I feel for the kids in the car.Sheesh... > > "It's shameful..." Times have changed, us kids would have to wait in the car all the time. Lock the doors! Funny. nancy |
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On Jul 10, 1:39*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen > in a checkout line, it's close. *Maybe it ties with > the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've > ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously > lost control of her kid when he was very young. > > There were two Chinese women in front of me, an > elderly one and a middle-aged one. *The younger one > was translating for the older one, and as it turned > out, she didn't know her. *She just volunteered to > translate, because the older woman didn't speak > any English at all. > > As I stood there and learned more of the story, > it appeared the older woman was trying to return > a watch battery. *She had the original packaging > for the battery, and the watch that the battery > was put into, but the problem was that the battery > was inside the watch. *Nobody knew how to get the > battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want > to give a refund without getting the battery back. > > Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer > and can of olives while the women were making their > case for a refund. *I don't know how it was resolved, > but I did give the poor clerk a smile in sympathy > with her dilemma. The counter people who sell batteries for watches will not remove or replace the battery unless you sign a waiver saying they're not responsible for damage if they open up the watch. If they even offer that. Karen |
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"Karen" > wrote in message ... On Jul 10, 1:39 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote: > If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen > in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with > the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've > ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously > lost control of her kid when he was very young. > > There were two Chinese women in front of me, an > elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one > was translating for the older one, and as it turned > out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to > translate, because the older woman didn't speak > any English at all. > > As I stood there and learned more of the story, > it appeared the older woman was trying to return > a watch battery. She had the original packaging > for the battery, and the watch that the battery > was put into, but the problem was that the battery > was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the > battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want > to give a refund without getting the battery back. > > Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer > and can of olives while the women were making their > case for a refund. I don't know how it was resolved, > but I did give the poor clerk a smile in sympathy > with her dilemma. The counter people who sell batteries for watches will not remove or replace the battery unless you sign a waiver saying they're not responsible for damage if they open up the watch. If they even offer that. Karen ------------------------------------------------------ One clerk destroyed my watch by squeezing the sides where the buttons were so hard that he broke the springs in the buttons. I had no recourse and would have had to pay to have the springs replaced, and I didn't know of any other repair shops, so I threw the watch out on a matter of principle. |
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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message ... > If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen > in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with > the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've > ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously > lost control of her kid when he was very young. > > There were two Chinese women in front of me, an > elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one > was translating for the older one, and as it turned > out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to > translate, because the older woman didn't speak > any English at all. > > As I stood there and learned more of the story, > it appeared the older woman was trying to return > a watch battery. She had the original packaging > for the battery, and the watch that the battery > was put into, but the problem was that the battery > was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the > battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want > to give a refund without getting the battery back. > > Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer > and can of olives while the women were making their > case for a refund. I don't know how it was resolved, > but I did give the poor clerk a smile in sympathy > with her dilemma. Standing in checkout lines seems to be getting worse all the time. I have seen stuff like this where a person holds up a line forever with endless demands from the clerk. I wonder sometimes if this isn't the only attention they ever get in their lives. Then I see this too often in my college town store - in front of me was a baby faced boy, must have been 16 tops. Doesn't even shave yet you can tell. His skinny little girlfriend is with him, also not more than 16, at best maybe 17. They are buying 3 bottles of margarita mix and a huge bottle of tequila. So the supervisor is the checkout clerk, asks the girl for an ID. I can clearly see the face on the picture. It is of a heavy set blond girl yet this chick is short and small and has jet black hair. You can see the supervisor mentally deduct the year from 2008 and then goes "OK" probably without looking at the photo. I wanted to ask that woman if she would feel guilty of say those two kids died of alcohol poisoning or worse if they actually drove a car. Instead I wrote a letter to the company. Paul |
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message ... > > "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message > ... >> If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen >> in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with >> the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've >> ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously >> lost control of her kid when he was very young. >> >> There were two Chinese women in front of me, an >> elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one >> was translating for the older one, and as it turned >> out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to >> translate, because the older woman didn't speak >> any English at all. >> >> As I stood there and learned more of the story, >> it appeared the older woman was trying to return >> a watch battery. She had the original packaging >> for the battery, and the watch that the battery >> was put into, but the problem was that the battery >> was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the >> battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want >> to give a refund without getting the battery back. >> >> Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer >> and can of olives while the women were making their >> case for a refund. I don't know how it was resolved, >> but I did give the poor clerk a smile in sympathy >> with her dilemma. > > Standing in checkout lines seems to be getting worse all the time. I have > seen stuff like this where a person holds up a line forever with endless > demands from the clerk. I wonder sometimes if this isn't the only > attention they ever get in their lives. It's childish to jump to the conclusion that anyone who "kicks up a fuss" is "just looking for attention." It's simplistic even when applied to the behaviour of most children. What it's motivated by is self-centredness on the part of the person *speaking*, not the person "looking for attention; because the person speaking only sees the way someone else is affecting him, which is to inconvenience him, and gives no thought to what the other person's situation or perspective might be. I find if you bother to take the slightest interest in people, their behaviour often makes sense. |
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"The UnInmate" > wrote in message ... > > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message >> ... >>> If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen >>> in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with >>> the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've >>> ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously >>> lost control of her kid when he was very young. >>> >>> There were two Chinese women in front of me, an >>> elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one >>> was translating for the older one, and as it turned >>> out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to >>> translate, because the older woman didn't speak >>> any English at all. >>> >>> As I stood there and learned more of the story, >>> it appeared the older woman was trying to return >>> a watch battery. She had the original packaging >>> for the battery, and the watch that the battery >>> was put into, but the problem was that the battery >>> was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the >>> battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want >>> to give a refund without getting the battery back. >>> >>> Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer >>> and can of olives while the women were making their >>> case for a refund. I don't know how it was resolved, >>> but I did give the poor clerk a smile in sympathy >>> with her dilemma. >> >> Standing in checkout lines seems to be getting worse all the time. I >> have seen stuff like this where a person holds up a line forever with >> endless demands from the clerk. I wonder sometimes if this isn't the >> only attention they ever get in their lives. > > It's childish to jump to the conclusion that anyone who "kicks up a fuss" > is "just looking for attention." It's simplistic even when applied to the > behaviour of most children. What it's motivated by is self-centredness on > the part of the person *speaking*, not the person "looking for attention; > because the person speaking only sees the way someone else is affecting > him, which is to inconvenience him, and gives no thought to what the other > person's situation or perspective might be. I find if you bother to take > the slightest interest in people, their behaviour often makes sense. So you're saying my desire to choke the living shit out of them is inappropriate? Paul > |
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote > So you're saying my desire to choke the living shit out of them is > inappropriate? > Why are you in such a hurry anyway? |
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message ... > > "The UnInmate" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen >>>> in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with >>>> the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've >>>> ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously >>>> lost control of her kid when he was very young. >>>> >>>> There were two Chinese women in front of me, an >>>> elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one >>>> was translating for the older one, and as it turned >>>> out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to >>>> translate, because the older woman didn't speak >>>> any English at all. >>>> >>>> As I stood there and learned more of the story, >>>> it appeared the older woman was trying to return >>>> a watch battery. She had the original packaging >>>> for the battery, and the watch that the battery >>>> was put into, but the problem was that the battery >>>> was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the >>>> battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want >>>> to give a refund without getting the battery back. >>>> >>>> Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer >>>> and can of olives while the women were making their >>>> case for a refund. I don't know how it was resolved, >>>> but I did give the poor clerk a smile in sympathy >>>> with her dilemma. >>> >>> Standing in checkout lines seems to be getting worse all the time. I >>> have seen stuff like this where a person holds up a line forever with >>> endless demands from the clerk. I wonder sometimes if this isn't the >>> only attention they ever get in their lives. >> >> It's childish to jump to the conclusion that anyone who "kicks up a fuss" >> is "just looking for attention." It's simplistic even when applied to the >> behaviour of most children. What it's motivated by is self-centredness on >> the part of the person *speaking*, not the person "looking for attention; >> because the person speaking only sees the way someone else is affecting >> him, which is to inconvenience him, and gives no thought to what the >> other person's situation or perspective might be. I find if you bother to >> take the slightest interest in people, their behaviour often makes sense. > > So you're saying my desire to choke the living shit out of them is > inappropriate? > > Paul Desires are never inappropriate. Only actions can be. But I was narrowly commenting on the suggestion that they're just looking for attention. It was and still is silly. |
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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message > "The UnInmate" > wrote in message >> It's childish to jump to the conclusion that anyone who "kicks up a fuss" >> is "just looking for attention." It's simplistic even when applied to the >> behaviour of most children. What it's motivated by is self-centredness on >> the part of the person *speaking*, not the person "looking for attention; >> because the person speaking only sees the way someone else is affecting >> him, which is to inconvenience him, and gives no thought to what the >> other person's situation or perspective might be. I find if you bother to >> take the slightest interest in people, their behaviour often makes sense. > > So you're saying my desire to choke the living shit out of them is > inappropriate? > > Paul > No, he is saying you should take some interest in that person first to see if their behavior makes sense. Then choke the shit out of them. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message >> "The UnInmate" > wrote in message > >>> It's childish to jump to the conclusion that anyone who "kicks up a >>> fuss" is "just looking for attention." It's simplistic even when applied >>> to the behaviour of most children. What it's motivated by is >>> self-centredness on the part of the person *speaking*, not the person >>> "looking for attention; because the person speaking only sees the way >>> someone else is affecting him, which is to inconvenience him, and gives >>> no thought to what the other person's situation or perspective might be. >>> I find if you bother to take the slightest interest in people, their >>> behaviour often makes sense. >> >> So you're saying my desire to choke the living shit out of them is >> inappropriate? >> >> Paul >> > > No, he is saying you should take some interest in that person first to see > if their behavior makes sense. Then choke the shit out of them. ahahaha! |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote > > No, he is saying you should take some interest in that person first to see > if their behavior makes sense. Then choke the shit out of them. The other thing is, be kind to old folks on the off chance that you might luck out and get to be one one day. That shit comes back around to you. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message >> "The UnInmate" > wrote in message > >>> It's childish to jump to the conclusion that anyone who "kicks up a >>> fuss" is "just looking for attention." It's simplistic even when applied >>> to the behaviour of most children. What it's motivated by is >>> self-centredness on the part of the person *speaking*, not the person >>> "looking for attention; because the person speaking only sees the way >>> someone else is affecting him, which is to inconvenience him, and gives >>> no thought to what the other person's situation or perspective might be. >>> I find if you bother to take the slightest interest in people, their >>> behaviour often makes sense. >> >> So you're saying my desire to choke the living shit out of them is >> inappropriate? >> >> Paul >> > > No, he is saying you should take some interest in that person first to see > if their behavior makes sense. Then choke the shit out of them. Ahhh, OK. I can try that. Paul |
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says... > On Sun 13 Jul 2008 12:56:14p, T told us... > > > In article >, > > says... > >> > >> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > If this isn't the most absurd situation I've seen > >> > in a checkout line, it's close. Maybe it ties with > >> > the kid who threw the phoniest temper tantrum I've > >> > ever seen in front of a doormat mother who obviously > >> > lost control of her kid when he was very young. > >> > > >> > There were two Chinese women in front of me, an > >> > elderly one and a middle-aged one. The younger one > >> > was translating for the older one, and as it turned > >> > out, she didn't know her. She just volunteered to > >> > translate, because the older woman didn't speak > >> > any English at all. > >> > > >> > As I stood there and learned more of the story, it appeared the older > >> > woman was trying to return a watch battery. She had the original > >> > packaging for the battery, and the watch that the battery > >> > was put into, but the problem was that the battery > >> > was inside the watch. Nobody knew how to get the > >> > battery out of the watch, and the clerk didn't want > >> > to give a refund without getting the battery back. > >> > > >> > Fortunately, the clerk rang up my bottle of beer > >> > and can of olives while the women were making their > >> > case for a refund. I don't know how it was resolved, but I did give > >> > the poor clerk a smile in sympathy with her dilemma. > >> > >> Standing in checkout lines seems to be getting worse all the time. I > >> have seen stuff like this where a person holds up a line forever with > >> endless demands from the clerk. I wonder sometimes if this isn't the > >> only attention they ever get in their lives. > >> > >> Then I see this too often in my college town store - in front of me was > >> a baby faced boy, must have been 16 tops. Doesn't even shave yet you > >> can tell. His skinny little girlfriend is with him, also not more than > >> 16, at best maybe 17. They are buying 3 bottles of margarita mix and a > >> huge bottle of tequila. So the supervisor is the checkout clerk, asks > >> the girl for an ID. I can clearly see the face on the picture. It is > >> of a heavy set blond girl yet this chick is short and small and has jet > >> black hair. You can see the supervisor mentally deduct the year from > >> 2008 and then goes "OK" probably without looking at the photo. I > >> wanted to ask that woman if she would feel guilty of say those two kids > >> died of alcohol poisoning or worse if they actually drove a car. > >> Instead I wrote a letter to the company. > >> > >> Paul > > > > I had one experience standing in the express line that was absolutely > > priceless. > > > > I get to the register and it has the 15 items or less sign lit up. This > > woman is in front of me with a cart full and she's unloading it onto the > > conveyer. > > > > Without a word the cashier comes out from behind the register and > > proceeeds to take the items off the conveyer and puts them back into the > > womans cart. The cashier then took the cart and told the woman that she > > could go to any register without the 15 item sign lit. > > > > It was priceless. The look on the womans face indicated she was both > > highly offended and embarrased. > > > > I gave the cashier a nice smile and said thanks for doing that. > > > > > > This should be standard practice. It just make the thoughtless assholes > wise up. > > I don't know about that. There are some fairly thickheaded people out there who wouldn't see the lesson. |
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