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I think mine must have been the first time I tried blackened catfish. We
had been back in the US permanently for about two months after five
years living abroad. I had seen a TV show about blackened fish and
wanted to give it a try.

Went to the local supermarket, bought a package of the crust and some
catfish fillets. Came home, carefully coated the fish according to
directions. Got the cast iron skillet almost red hot, tossed in the
fillets. The house immediately filled up with red pepper smoke, very
much akin to tear gas. Ran around opening doors and windows after
turning off the heat and tossing the skillet into the backyard. Was down
on my all fours heaving and gasping for air when the local constable
showed up with a fire truck. He had been driving by and had seen the
smoke, called the fire department, and came to the rescue.

Luckily we moved away shortly after that or I would never have lived it
down. Also have never tried blackened anything since. I make a little
smoke in the kitchen nowadays and my wife immediately starts opening
doors and window and laughing. One day I'm going to hit her with that
skillet.
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jmcquown wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
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>>> Yep. I remember making turkey burgers using recipes from 'Cooking
>>> Light' magazine in the mid-1980's. It's certainly not a new concept,

>> I've just never been able to get into the ground turkey thing. Yeah
>> I've made it and had it other people's homes but it's something I
>> adopt an I can take it or leave it attitude. Now, a big, juicy
>> chuckburger will get me in the groove
>>
>> Michael

>
> You've got that right! I made some nice juicy definitely-not-turkey burgers
> a few nights ago. The ground turkey "recipes" (including burgers) all had a
> bunch of stuff added because by itself ground turkey is tasteless. A good
> beef burger only needs salt & pepper
>
>

Ground turkey reminds me of tofu but with less flavor. <VBG>
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Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:44 +0200:


> "Wayne Boatwright" schrieb :
>> On Fri 30 May 2008 10:44:12p, sf told us...
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:27 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Three dots make an ellipsis. No more. No less.
>>>>
>>>> leo
>>>
>>> Show off! All this time I thought three dots made a
>>> triangle.
>>>

>> Only if you connect them! :-)
>>

> y = kx + d
> Lot's of dots and no triangle ...


Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any three
points (some might want to say non-collinear).



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On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:33:32 -0600, Gloria P >
wrote:

>Billy wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:21:00 -0400, "Virginia Tadrzynski"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Being economical, I made 'burgers'
>>> using turkey meat and popped them under the broiler.

>>
>> Your entire store sounds phony as a three dollar bill. Turkey
>> burgers didn't become "fashionable" until the middle/late 90's.
>> But..then again...that is just my observation. Your time line just
>> doesn't jive.
>>

>
>
>
>Hey, you sound as though you're plagiarizing Sheldon.
>Knock it off. There's only one and we don't need another.
>
>gloria p


i don't think we need that one either.

your pal,
blake
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"James Silverton" schrieb :
> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:44 +0200:
>
>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" schrieb :
>>> On Fri 30 May 2008 10:44:12p, sf told us...
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:27 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Three dots make an ellipsis. No more. No less.
>>>>>
>>>>> leo
>>>>
>>>> Show off! All this time I thought three dots made a
>>>> triangle.
>>>>
>>> Only if you connect them! :-)
>>>

>> y = kx + d
>> Lot's of dots and no triangle ...

>
> Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any three points (some
> might want to say non-collinear).
>

Nope. You can draw a circle through any _two_ points.
I didn't use the the formula for a line without reason ...

Cheers,

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On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:53:45 -0400, Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:

>
> "Billy" <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote


<some rubbish...>
>>
>>

> Ground turkey has been around since mankind discovered 'grinding
> meat'.....FBS was hatched Jan of 1984 and he was about three, so 1987 is
> approx. but then why am I justifying this to you.


Quite so.

>It happened, believe it
> not.


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Abe wrote:
>> Smoke was hovering a full 2 feet down from the
>> ceiling. I kid you not, that bird was dust. It was literally cremated.
>> Immediately upon getting off the elevator I could hear my mother down the
>> hall saying "My God, he's burnt the tukey"... well, I denied, denied,
>> denied. Steven's step mother got off the elevator and we could hear her
>> down the hall "oy vey... the turkey is burned". Again, I denied, denied,
>> denied.
>> About an hour after dinner both mothers burst into the den with a big
>> garbage bag laughing and pointing fingers at us. They had found the
>> cremated turkey carcass in the trash room. I have never, and never will
>> live it down. Ever.

>
> Reminds me of a joke:
>
> Peter invited his mother for dinner, during the course of the meal his
> mother couldn't help but notice how lovely Peter's roommate, Joanne,
> was. She had long been suspicious of a relationship between the two,
> and this only made her more curious.
>
> Over the course of the evening, while watching the two interact, she
> started to wonder if there was more between Peter and his roommate
> than met the eye.
>
> Reading his mom's thoughts, Peter volunteered, 'I know what you must
> be thinking, but I assure you, Joanne & I are just roommates.
>
> About a week later, Joanne came to Peter saying, 'Ever since your
> mother came to dinner, I've been unable to find the frying pan, you
> don't suppose she took it do you?'
>
> 'Well I doubt it, but I'll e-mail her just to be sure' said Peter. So
> he sat down and wrote
>
> DEAR MOTHER,
>
> I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU 'DID' TAKE THE FRYING PAN FROM MY HOUSE.
>
> I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU 'DID NOT' TAKE THE FRYING PAN BUT THE FACT
> REMAINS THAT IT HAS BEEN MISSING EVER SINCE YOU WERE HERE FOR DINNER.
>
> LOVE PETER
>
> Peter later received an email from his mother which read
>
> DEAR SON,
>
> I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU 'DO' SLEEP WITH JOANNE, AND I'M NOT SAYING
> THAT YOU 'DO NOT' SLEEP WITH JOANNE, BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT IF SHE
> WAS SLEEPING IN HER OWN BED, SHE WOULD HAVE FOUND THE ****ING FRYING
> PAN BY NOW.
>
> LOVE MOM



ROFL!

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Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:16 +0200:


> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:44 +0200:
>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" schrieb :
>>>> On Fri 30 May 2008 10:44:12p, sf told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:27 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Three dots make an ellipsis. No more. No less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> leo
>>>>>
>>>>> Show off! All this time I thought three dots made a
>>>>> triangle.
>>>>>
>>>> Only if you connect them! :-)
>>>>
>>> y = kx + d
>>> Lot's of dots and no triangle ...

>>
>> Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any
>> three points (some might want to say non-collinear).
>>

> Nope. You can draw a circle through any _two_ points.
> I didn't use the the formula for a line without reason ...


Sorry Michael; strange it as it may seem, you will have to go
back to your High School Geometry texts.


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Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It
> can be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up
> on but you are still embarassed to admit or something that you did
> that EVERYONE picked up and won't let you live down.


[snip hiliarious story of burn(ed) burger and wish for grandchild revenge]

Mine happened with a burger, too, but just plain old ground beef. My mom
was out of town as her mother had just passed away. I was in high school.
It fell to me to come home from school and cook dinner for my dad and the
one brother still residing at home. I didn't know how to cook anything but
rice at that point. So I chose what I thought would be easy meals. First
night: hamburgers. I'd watched my mother do these under the broiler in the
oven (can't ever recall her frying them). Figured, how hard could it be?

No, they didn't burn. They were very nicely charred on the outside. Looked
gorgeous. Except they were completely blue (raw) throughout. kili would
have love 'em Even I like them more well cooked than that. My dad and
my brother, it's well done burgers for them all the way.

I took one bite and immediately realized what I'd done - forgotten to lower
the rack the broiler pan was sitting on. No wonder they "cooked" so fast!
LOL

To give them credit, they each took one bite and gamely proclaimed them
good. Yeah, right! I whisked their plates away and cooked the burgers
more... this time with the rack in the proper position for the broiler

Jill


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"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
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> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It can
> be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up on but you
> are still embarassed to admit or something that you did that EVERYONE
> picked up and won't let you live down. Here's mine:


<snip>

One day many years ago I had decided to spike my pasta sauce with some red
pepper flakes. You know I just wanted to add a little background zip.

I don't remember the brand but I do remember it was a new jar. So I added
what I thought was a reasonable amount.

My wife and # 2 were home and I hade served them before I served myself.
When I got into the den they both were looking at me with quizzical eyes.
Not having a clue I took a big rolled forkful of the pasta. A few seconds
later not believing my own taste buds I took another bite and said "Good
Lord!" They breathed a sigh of relief and asked me what was I thinking. I
think we ended up with Grilled cheese for dinner.

To this day whenever someone asks if I have ever cooked anything that did
not turn out they look at each other and tell the Hot Spaghetti Story"


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Dimitri wrote:
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
>> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It
>> can be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up
>> on but you are still embarassed to admit or something that you did
>> that EVERYONE picked up and won't let you live down. Here's mine:

>
> <snip>
>
> One day many years ago I had decided to spike my pasta sauce with
> some red pepper flakes. You know I just wanted to add a little
> background zip.
>

(snip, heheh)
> To this day whenever someone asks if I have ever cooked anything that
> did not turn out they look at each other and tell the Hot Spaghetti
> Story"


That's too funny! When I was about 5 years old we lived in NJ; Mom went off
to "the city" (that would be NYC, heheh) for a weekend shopping trip,
leaving my brothers and me with Dad. He made spaghetti with red sauce. The
sauce was good, I'm sure - 1951 Betty Crocker, how can you go wrong? Except
he didn't really drain the pasta, just mixed it all together. I definitely
remember that on my plate! We teased him for years. Maybe one day your
kids will forget... but don't count on it!

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On Sat 31 May 2008 11:58:02a, Dimitri told us...

>
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
>> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It
>> can be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up on
>> but you are still embarassed to admit or something that you did that
>> EVERYONE picked up and won't let you live down. Here's mine:

>
> <snip>
>
> One day many years ago I had decided to spike my pasta sauce with some
> red pepper flakes. You know I just wanted to add a little background
> zip.
>
> I don't remember the brand but I do remember it was a new jar. So I
> added what I thought was a reasonable amount.
>
> My wife and # 2 were home and I hade served them before I served myself.
> When I got into the den they both were looking at me with quizzical
> eyes. Not having a clue I took a big rolled forkful of the pasta. A few
> seconds later not believing my own taste buds I took another bite and
> said "Good Lord!" They breathed a sigh of relief and asked me what was
> I thinking. I think we ended up with Grilled cheese for dinner.
>
> To this day whenever someone asks if I have ever cooked anything that
> did not turn out they look at each other and tell the Hot Spaghetti
> Story"
>
>


Something similar happened to me years ago. I had a "12 boy" curry dinner
party for seven guests and myself. This was back in the day when one
usually used commercial curry powders and my choice had always Spice
Islands Curry Powder which had a mild to moderate heat and very pleasant
flavor. However, just prior to this occasion I had purchsed an assortment
of prepared curry blends from India. Each was very different and smelled
wonderful. The recipe, which I had made numerous times before, was for a
coconut milk based shrimp curry. I made it in the usual way with the usual
quantities of all ingredients, including one of the Indian curry powders.
Again, it smelled wonderful, but I did not taste it while cooking. Some of
the guests had eaten this dish previously and thoroughly enjoyed. it They
were eagerly looking forward to the dinner. The table was laid out for
such a dinner, with all 12 condiments in place, a huge quantity ofsteaming
rice in one side of a double chafing dish and the shrimp curry in the other
side. Every helped themselves to the rice, curry, and condiments, and we
all pretty much simultaneously tucked into it. All at once, most of us
were beginning to choke a bit with tears streaming down our cheeks.
Nothing much quelled the heat, but it lessened gradually, and half the
guests resolutely attempted finishing off their plate. I embarrasingly
explained what had happend, and the rest of the evening conversation seemed
to revolve around *curry*. We finished off the meal with good portions of
homemade goat's milk ice cream flavored with rosewater and studded with
pistachios. Finally there was something that soothed our scorched tongues
and mouths. Thereafter, as I used those curry powders, I used fractional
amounts and did some careful tasting along the way. :-)

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Nina wrote:
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 14:33:23 -0500, "jmcquown"
> > wrote:
>
>> Dimitri wrote:
>>> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
>>>> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It
>>>> can be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up
>>>> on but you are still embarassed to admit or something that you did
>>>> that EVERYONE picked up and won't let you live down. Here's mine:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> One day many years ago I had decided to spike my pasta sauce with
>>> some red pepper flakes. You know I just wanted to add a little
>>> background zip.
>>>

>> (snip, heheh)
>>> To this day whenever someone asks if I have ever cooked anything that
>>> did not turn out they look at each other and tell the Hot Spaghetti
>>> Story"

>> That's too funny! When I was about 5 years old we lived in NJ; Mom went off
>> to "the city" (that would be NYC, heheh) for a weekend shopping trip,
>> leaving my brothers and me with Dad. He made spaghetti with red sauce. The
>> sauce was good, I'm sure - 1951 Betty Crocker, how can you go wrong? Except
>> he didn't really drain the pasta, just mixed it all together. I definitely
>> remember that on my plate! We teased him for years. Maybe one day your
>> kids will forget... but don't count on it!

>
> Both of these stories made me remember my worst one... when I was
> about 14 or so, I had to cook for the family for a few months because
> my mother was ill. I made macaroni and cheese (from scratch) a lot,
> but my sisters always complained that it wasn't cheesy enough. Well,
> I knew there was plenty of cheese, so I tried an experiment... using
> food coloring to make it more yellow! And, lo and behold, everyone
> said, wow, this is better, SO much more cheesy! (yes, presentation
> does matter...)
>
> Anyway, this was all fine until the day my hand slipped with the red
> food color, and we had *brilliant* red mac and cheese. And since I'd
> made really a ton of it, we had ruby-red pasta off and on for about a
> week... (Plus, then of course, my food color secret was out, and
> everyone was then on both skeptical and back to complaining.
> Ingrates!)
>
>
>
>

As most stories begin: Once upon a time my wife asked me to watch the
pots on the stove while she rousted up the kids. Once of the items
cooking was cream of corn. As usual she had left a cabinet door open
above the stove and Lo! there sat a bottle of blue food coloring. The
devil made me put a few drops in the cream of corn.

She and the kids came back into the kitchen and I went back and sat
down. Shortly I heard this screech of horror and was just barely able to
stop her from dumping the cream of corn in the trash. None of us has
ever forgotten it and we still laugh about Mom's "blue corn" at family
gatherings.

All of this talk of food and kids makes me miss my descendants, will
have to get up a trip over to where they all live pretty soon I guess.
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 06:56:11 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
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>> Thanks for the great story...
>>
>> All the best,

>
>
>Thanks, Kenneth...


Hi again Wayne,

I really did laugh out loud when I read the phrase about the
"dam."

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Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:

> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest moment.
> Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It can be what
> ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up on but you are still
> embarassed to admit or something that you did that EVERYONE picked up and
> won't let you live down. Here's mine:


Some years ago I came across a recipe for butter tarts that looked like it would
be good. I thought they would be a real treat for my wife because she loves
butter tarts, and I don't often make tarts because they are too fiddly for me.
They were delicious and went quickly. I made another batch and gave some to a
cousin who was visiting..... before I had tasted them. The recipe called for
the usual butter and eggs along with corn syrup and vinegar. I had forgotten
to add the corn syrup. It wouldn't have been bad except for the vinegar, which
really needed the extra sweetness to balance the acid.




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On Sat 31 May 2008 01:16:36p, Kenneth told us...

> On Sat, 31 May 2008 06:56:11 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>> Thanks for the great story...
>>>
>>> All the best,

>>
>>
>>Thanks, Kenneth...

>
> Hi again Wayne,
>
> I really did laugh out loud when I read the phrase about the
> "dam."
>
> All the best,


It really was like a dam breaking through and it just continued pour forth.
It seemed like there was nothing we could do about it. After we got over
the shock, we laughed out loud, too.

Thanks, Kenneth.

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<snip>
>>

> As most stories begin: Once upon a time my wife asked me to watch the pots
> on the stove while she rousted up the kids. Once of the items cooking was
> cream of corn. As usual she had left a cabinet door open above the stove
> and Lo! there sat a bottle of blue food coloring. The devil made me put a
> few drops in the cream of corn.
>
> She and the kids came back into the kitchen and I went back and sat down.
> Shortly I heard this screech of horror and was just barely able to stop
> her from dumping the cream of corn in the trash. None of us has ever
> forgotten it and we still laugh about Mom's "blue corn" at family
> gatherings.
>
> All of this talk of food and kids makes me miss my descendants, will have
> to get up a trip over to where they all live pretty soon I guess.


GREAT IDEA!

Thanks

LOL
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:50:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>
>> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest moment.
>> Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It can be what
>> ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up on but you are still
>> embarassed to admit or something that you did that EVERYONE picked up and
>> won't let you live down. Here's mine:

>
>Some years ago I came across a recipe for butter tarts that looked like it would
>be good. I thought they would be a real treat for my wife because she loves
>butter tarts, and I don't often make tarts because they are too fiddly for me.
>They were delicious and went quickly. I made another batch and gave some to a
>cousin who was visiting..... before I had tasted them. The recipe called for
>the usual butter and eggs along with corn syrup and vinegar. I had forgotten
>to add the corn syrup. It wouldn't have been bad except for the vinegar, which
>really needed the extra sweetness to balance the acid.
>


Howdy,

Here's one of mine...

About 40 years ago, my dear friend Alan had a property in
central New York state on which he intended to plant 40,000
blue spruce seedlings.

He invited everyone he could entice. Good food, good
friends, some work outside. It would be great fun...

The evening of the first day, Alan asked if I would be
available to cook breakfast for everyone the following
morning.

I was happy to do that, and explained what I would need to
do yeast leavened pancakes for the multitudes. The batter
had to ferment overnight, and we soon had everything mixed,
and ready for the following day.

After a restful night, I got up early, and lit the fire in
the wood burning cookstove. As it heated, other friends
started to drift into the kitchen, and soon we had something
that looked like a scene from "Seven Brides for Seven
Brothers."

Finally, with the cookstove hot enough, I started to crank
out the pancakes, and the hungry crew was happy to have
them.

My friend Alan did his own maple syrup, and together with
strong coffee, it started to flow.

But then, after a few minutes, I began to see that no one in
the group actually ate anything more than a mouthful of the
pancakes.

When I asked about that, someone said simply "Taste them..."

I did, and the golden pancakes were simply terrible, but we
could not identify the reason.

Apologies, and confusion, followed...

Minutes later, I watched as one of my friends poured himself
a large mug of coffee. He reached for the huge sugar jar
that sat on a shelf above the stove, and spooned into the
mug what seemed to be enough sugar to sweeten a swimming
pool.

He stirred it, took a long sip, and gagged...

With a quick taste, we all knew that the jar had somehow
been filled with salt, and I had used cups of it in my
pancake batter.

All these years later I marvel that any of these folks will
eat anything I prepare... but they do.

All the best,
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On Sat 31 May 2008 02:51:57p, Kenneth told us...

> On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:50:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>>
>>> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
>>> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It
>>> can be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up on
>>> but you are still embarassed to admit or something that you did that
>>> EVERYONE picked up and won't let you live down. Here's mine:

>>
>>Some years ago I came across a recipe for butter tarts that looked like
>>it would be good. I thought they would be a real treat for my wife
>>because she loves butter tarts, and I don't often make tarts because
>>they are too fiddly for me. They were delicious and went quickly. I made
>>another batch and gave some to a cousin who was visiting..... before I
>>had tasted them. The recipe called for the usual butter and eggs along
>>with corn syrup and vinegar. I had forgotten to add the corn syrup. It
>>wouldn't have been bad except for the vinegar, which really needed the
>>extra sweetness to balance the acid.
>>

>
> Howdy,
>
> Here's one of mine...
>
> About 40 years ago, my dear friend Alan had a property in
> central New York state on which he intended to plant 40,000
> blue spruce seedlings.
>
> He invited everyone he could entice. Good food, good
> friends, some work outside. It would be great fun...
>
> The evening of the first day, Alan asked if I would be
> available to cook breakfast for everyone the following
> morning.
>
> I was happy to do that, and explained what I would need to
> do yeast leavened pancakes for the multitudes. The batter
> had to ferment overnight, and we soon had everything mixed,
> and ready for the following day.
>
> After a restful night, I got up early, and lit the fire in
> the wood burning cookstove. As it heated, other friends
> started to drift into the kitchen, and soon we had something
> that looked like a scene from "Seven Brides for Seven
> Brothers."
>
> Finally, with the cookstove hot enough, I started to crank
> out the pancakes, and the hungry crew was happy to have
> them.
>
> My friend Alan did his own maple syrup, and together with
> strong coffee, it started to flow.
>
> But then, after a few minutes, I began to see that no one in
> the group actually ate anything more than a mouthful of the
> pancakes.
>
> When I asked about that, someone said simply "Taste them..."
>
> I did, and the golden pancakes were simply terrible, but we
> could not identify the reason.
>
> Apologies, and confusion, followed...
>
> Minutes later, I watched as one of my friends poured himself
> a large mug of coffee. He reached for the huge sugar jar
> that sat on a shelf above the stove, and spooned into the
> mug what seemed to be enough sugar to sweeten a swimming
> pool.
>
> He stirred it, took a long sip, and gagged...
>
> With a quick taste, we all knew that the jar had somehow
> been filled with salt, and I had used cups of it in my
> pancake batter.
>
> All these years later I marvel that any of these folks will
> eat anything I prepare... but they do.
>
> All the best,


Ack! Kenneth, I can just imagine the taste! Certain a common enough
mistake, as they look virtualy identical. I've done that, too, but
fortunately the quantity was a teaspoon or two, which didn't make the
results entirely inedible.

Friends can be very forgiving. I nearly burned them to death with hot
curry, but they still eat what I cook. :-)

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 31 May 2008 02:51:57p, Kenneth told us...
>
>> On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:50:25 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
>>>> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It
>>>> can be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up on
>>>> but you are still embarassed to admit or something that you did that
>>>> EVERYONE picked up and won't let you live down. Here's mine:
>>> Some years ago I came across a recipe for butter tarts that looked like
>>> it would be good. I thought they would be a real treat for my wife
>>> because she loves butter tarts, and I don't often make tarts because
>>> they are too fiddly for me. They were delicious and went quickly. I made
>>> another batch and gave some to a cousin who was visiting..... before I
>>> had tasted them. The recipe called for the usual butter and eggs along
>>> with corn syrup and vinegar. I had forgotten to add the corn syrup. It
>>> wouldn't have been bad except for the vinegar, which really needed the
>>> extra sweetness to balance the acid.
>>>

>> Howdy,
>>
>> Here's one of mine...
>>
>> About 40 years ago, my dear friend Alan had a property in
>> central New York state on which he intended to plant 40,000
>> blue spruce seedlings.
>>
>> He invited everyone he could entice. Good food, good
>> friends, some work outside. It would be great fun...
>>
>> The evening of the first day, Alan asked if I would be
>> available to cook breakfast for everyone the following
>> morning.
>>
>> I was happy to do that, and explained what I would need to
>> do yeast leavened pancakes for the multitudes. The batter
>> had to ferment overnight, and we soon had everything mixed,
>> and ready for the following day.
>>
>> After a restful night, I got up early, and lit the fire in
>> the wood burning cookstove. As it heated, other friends
>> started to drift into the kitchen, and soon we had something
>> that looked like a scene from "Seven Brides for Seven
>> Brothers."
>>
>> Finally, with the cookstove hot enough, I started to crank
>> out the pancakes, and the hungry crew was happy to have
>> them.
>>
>> My friend Alan did his own maple syrup, and together with
>> strong coffee, it started to flow.
>>
>> But then, after a few minutes, I began to see that no one in
>> the group actually ate anything more than a mouthful of the
>> pancakes.
>>
>> When I asked about that, someone said simply "Taste them..."
>>
>> I did, and the golden pancakes were simply terrible, but we
>> could not identify the reason.
>>
>> Apologies, and confusion, followed...
>>
>> Minutes later, I watched as one of my friends poured himself
>> a large mug of coffee. He reached for the huge sugar jar
>> that sat on a shelf above the stove, and spooned into the
>> mug what seemed to be enough sugar to sweeten a swimming
>> pool.
>>
>> He stirred it, took a long sip, and gagged...
>>
>> With a quick taste, we all knew that the jar had somehow
>> been filled with salt, and I had used cups of it in my
>> pancake batter.
>>
>> All these years later I marvel that any of these folks will
>> eat anything I prepare... but they do.
>>
>> All the best,

>
> Ack! Kenneth, I can just imagine the taste! Certain a common enough
> mistake, as they look virtualy identical. I've done that, too, but
> fortunately the quantity was a teaspoon or two, which didn't make the
> results entirely inedible.
>
> Friends can be very forgiving. I nearly burned them to death with hot
> curry, but they still eat what I cook. :-)
>

Here's one that will rock your boat. Friends of mine remodeled their
kitchen in 1972 and, in the process, removed a window over the sink. A
few weeks later the female of the pair was frying chicken in a big cast
iron frying pan. the oil caught on fire and, being a quick thinker, she
threw it through the window over the sink. $16,000.00 later she had a
new kitchen and everyone marveled that the family survived the fire.

Six months after that we went over for dinner one night. The couple had
gotten a couple of brand new BMW motorcycles and the woman went out to
the garage, cranked her bike up, rode it up the patio, popped a wheelie
to get the bike up on the concrete, and wheelied it right through the
glass patio doors. There were eight of us in the living room running for
cover. Two things going wrong in a row can't be chance can it?

Run into them every once in awhile when we go over that way and we
marvel that they're still married. True love conquers all as they say.
Thank goodness they gave up bike riding.


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"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
...
> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It can
> be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up on but you
> are still embarassed to admit or something that you did that EVERYONE
> picked up and won't let you live down. Here's mine:
>
> When I was a young married with only one kidlet, we lived in a mobile home
> across the street from my in-laws house. Being economical, I made
> 'burgers' using turkey meat and popped them under the broiler. All but
> one fit on the pint-sized broiler that can be found in most mobiles, so
> when they were done, we sat down to eat while the last one was in the
> broiler.......We finished eating and hubby and FBS wanted to go across the
> street and sit on the porch with the relatives. Off we went, forgetting
> about the burger. We are there for a short time when we see smoke pouring
> out of the windows (it was summer and all the windows were open). Rushing
> back across the street, we found that the lone turkey burger was now a
> charred briquet of unidentifiable etiology. Turning on the fans and
> opening doors to pull out the smoke all was well with the world (no damage
> done, just to the turkey burger) or so we thought. FBS gets on the phone
> with grandparents telling them I burned down the front half of the
> mobile....they show up thinking that we need help in fire
> restoration.....The next day, I get a phone call from pre-school, seems
> FBS tells them that I burned down the whole mobile and we are virtually
> homeless........That little monster told everyone he could and the damage
> got worse with each telling......
>
> Rat-bastid is now 24 and STILL talks about that damnable turkey burger,
> sometimes it burned down half or all of Bensalem, or caused massive forest
> fires in Southeastern Pennsylvania........it might actually have
> encroached upon the whole Eastern Seaboard!!!
>
> But revenge is good.....he has a four year old who for the life of him
> 'can't' or 'won't' shut up........His father doesn't understand what he
> did to deserve this.....I smile and think 'just wait until YOU burn
> dinner, smart ass'.....payback is....you know, a bitch.
> -ginny
>

Many years ago as a new bride with no cooking experience...I was making a
meat, potatoes and veg meal ala what little experience I had from watching
my Mom, who was an atrocious cook. My husbands grandmother was a wonderful
cook and baked and canned just about everything. She gave me some jars of
canned fruits and veggies including green and yellow beans and beets. I
opened the beets and put them in a pot on the stove to heat as the meat and
potatoes finished cooking. Husband comes up the hall in our apartment
building and opened the door to "what IS that smell?" The beets were
pickled. We've been married 48 years and I've never lived it
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On Sat 31 May 2008 03:21:11p, biig told us...

>
> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
>> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It
>> can be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up on
>> but you are still embarassed to admit or something that you did that
>> EVERYONE picked up and won't let you live down. Here's mine:
>>
>> When I was a young married with only one kidlet, we lived in a mobile
>> home across the street from my in-laws house. Being economical, I made
>> 'burgers' using turkey meat and popped them under the broiler. All but
>> one fit on the pint-sized broiler that can be found in most mobiles, so
>> when they were done, we sat down to eat while the last one was in the
>> broiler.......We finished eating and hubby and FBS wanted to go across
>> the street and sit on the porch with the relatives. Off we went,
>> forgetting about the burger. We are there for a short time when we see
>> smoke pouring out of the windows (it was summer and all the windows
>> were open). Rushing back across the street, we found that the lone
>> turkey burger was now a charred briquet of unidentifiable etiology.
>> Turning on the fans and opening doors to pull out the smoke all was
>> well with the world (no damage done, just to the turkey burger) or so
>> we thought. FBS gets on the phone with grandparents telling them I
>> burned down the front half of the mobile....they show up thinking that
>> we need help in fire restoration.....The next day, I get a phone call
>> from pre-school, seems FBS tells them that I burned down the whole
>> mobile and we are virtually homeless........That little monster told
>> everyone he could and the damage got worse with each telling......
>>
>> Rat-bastid is now 24 and STILL talks about that damnable turkey burger,
>> sometimes it burned down half or all of Bensalem, or caused massive
>> forest fires in Southeastern Pennsylvania........it might actually have
>> encroached upon the whole Eastern Seaboard!!!
>>
>> But revenge is good.....he has a four year old who for the life of him
>> 'can't' or 'won't' shut up........His father doesn't understand what he
>> did to deserve this.....I smile and think 'just wait until YOU burn
>> dinner, smart ass'.....payback is....you know, a bitch.
>> -ginny
>>

> Many years ago as a new bride with no cooking experience...I was
> making a
> meat, potatoes and veg meal ala what little experience I had from
> watching my Mom, who was an atrocious cook. My husbands grandmother was
> a wonderful cook and baked and canned just about everything. She gave
> me some jars of canned fruits and veggies including green and yellow
> beans and beets. I opened the beets and put them in a pot on the stove
> to heat as the meat and potatoes finished cooking. Husband comes up the
> hall in our apartment building and opened the door to "what IS that
> smell?" The beets were pickled. We've been married 48 years and I've
> never lived it down....lol...Sharon


LOL! I'm sure it was pungent, but I love pickled beets whether they're
chilled or hot. It would be a shock to most.

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Virginia Tadrzynski > wrote in message
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> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking
> about our proudest moment. Here's a flip......what
> is your most memorable faux pas? [snip]


The fall wind whipped through the canopy of laced branches,
swirling royal browns, bright oranges, crimson reds, and mild
ocher into a blizzard of leaves.

I hunched deeper into my jacket and reshouldered the bag of
groceries. "She's really going to love this..." I bragged
aloud.

"Uh-huh. And you know this because?" Delta asked between
chattering teeth and body-shivers.

"I've already done it once," I smiled over at my niece. "Worked
all the bugs out last time. I'll use less garlic this time."

"That'll help," she quipped. "You don't do garlic well."

"Shut-up... No foo' for you!"

"That okay. Dean's picking me up at 6. It'll spare me having to
listen to you two."

"Dean... Dean... Which one is he again? Friday? Saturday? There
are soooo many..."

"You're a mean old man, Unc..."

"And damned proud of that fact. It takes years to get to this
level."

We got to our apartment and I fumbled with the
company-maintained locks. "I should have grandpa come over and
'improve' these."

"The manager would have a calf right on our porch. The ol'
cow's still mooing over him fixing the overhead [fan]..."

"Let her. Veal."

Delta simply walked past me and into the landing. I headed to
the galley kitchen and started unloading the bag onto the army
olive Formica. Three beautiful slices of lamb shoulder. My
latest living herb addition, basil. A lemon. A bulb of elephant
garlic. Basmati rice and saffron. I reached into the pantry and
pulled out a bottle of Greek olive oil, an impulse purchase
from our latest pilgrimage to Draeger's, and a skillet to
quick-fry the lamb.

"Don't forget the burner on the stove burns hot."

"Yeah, yeah. I've only lived her longer than you..."

Quiet returned. I added enough oil to the skillet and turned on
the burner. I moved all the ingredients over to the stove prep
area and waited for the oil to heat up to the proper
temperature.

"I'm outa here."

"Later. When're you coming in?"

"I'll call if I'm going to be real late, 'dad.'"

"Be nice..." I warned.

"11."

"Late," and the front door snicked closed.

Whisps of smoke started to rise from the oil in the pan.
"Perfect!" I turned the burner down to low and put the lid on
the skillet. I continued seasoning the lamb; salt, pepper,
lemon, zest, crushed garlic... I was pleased with the looks and
smells moving about the little kitchen and reached for the lid.

FWOOOM!

Flames blew up and over the lid the moment air streamed in
through the cracks. I dropped the lid immediately, looking at
the curled hairs on my arm vying for attention against the
cherry-red skin. I blistered the air with some impossibly
colorful metaphors walked over to the sink. "That's going to
hurt for a while."

After a few more minutes of rinsing the pain away under the
kitchen faucet, I turned back to the stove. In my absent-minded
state, I'd forgotten to turn the stove off and noticed black
smoke curling out of the skillet, over the lid, and straight up
into the ceiling. "Oh, damn!" A new Costco purchase proved
handy: an 8" CO2 extinguisher was right by the sink. I pulled
the pin and fired two quick volleys stoveward.

SSSSSSHHHH! SSSSSHHHHHH!

Lid, skillet and flaming oil blew off the burner and clattered
against the tile backsplash.

"Whoa!" I watched the lit oil coil up and down the backsplash
and towards the overhead fan pulling the smoke and CO2 into
it's filter. I fired the extinguisher two more times.

SSSSHHH! SSSSSHHHH!

White powder now swallowed black smoke.

The flame went out, too. I looked around the kitchen. White
powder not only circulated through the tiny kitchen, it covered
everything in it; canisters, cupboards, sink, meat.

I was laying out another string of profanity when the front
door opened.

"What the..."

"There was a problem with tonight's dinner..."

"Uh, yeah? Com'on out and see the rest of the apartment."

I looked around the corner into the living room and then at the
doorway. White particles swirled with black smoke. <sigh> "I
can explain..."

SWMBO listened patiently and then started to laugh. "Well, it
was memorable. Wait 'til I tell Delta."

I've been living it down more ever since. And family get
togethers are very painful when Delta talks about it.

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jmcquown wrote:
> Dimitri wrote:
>> "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking about our proudest
>>> moment. Here's a flip......what is your most memorable faux pas? It
>>> can be what ever you wish, something you did that no one picked up
>>> on but you are still embarassed to admit or something that you did
>>> that EVERYONE picked up and won't let you live down. Here's mine:

>> <snip>
>>
>> One day many years ago I had decided to spike my pasta sauce with
>> some red pepper flakes. You know I just wanted to add a little
>> background zip.
>>

> (snip, heheh)
>> To this day whenever someone asks if I have ever cooked anything that
>> did not turn out they look at each other and tell the Hot Spaghetti
>> Story"

>
> That's too funny! When I was about 5 years old we lived in NJ; Mom went off
> to "the city" (that would be NYC, heheh) for a weekend shopping trip,
> leaving my brothers and me with Dad. He made spaghetti with red sauce. The
> sauce was good, I'm sure - 1951 Betty Crocker, how can you go wrong? Except
> he didn't really drain the pasta, just mixed it all together. I definitely
> remember that on my plate! We teased him for years. Maybe one day your
> kids will forget... but don't count on it!


My kids never forget. They still remind their step-dad about the time
mom was away on a business trip and he made chili. It was ground beef,
browned with a can of tomato sauce thrown in. He'd completely forgotten
the need for seasonings.

One of the things that helped me recover from my illness was his cooking.


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George Shirley wrote:

> All of this talk of food and kids makes me miss my descendants, will
> have to get up a trip over to where they all live pretty soon I guess.


I'm missing mine, too. Hoping to get to Jersey in early August.
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The Ranger wrote:
> Virginia Tadrzynski > wrote in message
> ...
>> Our Scoundrel Buddy, Dimitri, got us all thinking
>> about our proudest moment. Here's a flip......what
>> is your most memorable faux pas? [snip]

>
> The fall wind whipped through the canopy of laced branches,
> swirling royal browns, bright oranges, crimson reds, and mild
> ocher into a blizzard of leaves.
>
> I hunched deeper into my jacket and reshouldered the bag of
> groceries. "She's really going to love this..." I bragged
> aloud.
>
> "Uh-huh. And you know this because?" Delta asked between
> chattering teeth and body-shivers.
>
> "I've already done it once," I smiled over at my niece. "Worked
> all the bugs out last time. I'll use less garlic this time."
>
> "That'll help," she quipped. "You don't do garlic well."
>
> "Shut-up... No foo' for you!"
>
> "That okay. Dean's picking me up at 6. It'll spare me having to
> listen to you two."
>
> "Dean... Dean... Which one is he again? Friday? Saturday? There
> are soooo many..."
>
> "You're a mean old man, Unc..."
>
> "And damned proud of that fact. It takes years to get to this
> level."
>
> We got to our apartment and I fumbled with the
> company-maintained locks. "I should have grandpa come over and
> 'improve' these."
>
> "The manager would have a calf right on our porch. The ol'
> cow's still mooing over him fixing the overhead [fan]..."
>
> "Let her. Veal."
>
> Delta simply walked past me and into the landing. I headed to
> the galley kitchen and started unloading the bag onto the army
> olive Formica. Three beautiful slices of lamb shoulder. My
> latest living herb addition, basil. A lemon. A bulb of elephant
> garlic. Basmati rice and saffron. I reached into the pantry and
> pulled out a bottle of Greek olive oil, an impulse purchase
> from our latest pilgrimage to Draeger's, and a skillet to
> quick-fry the lamb.
>
> "Don't forget the burner on the stove burns hot."
>
> "Yeah, yeah. I've only lived her longer than you..."
>
> Quiet returned. I added enough oil to the skillet and turned on
> the burner. I moved all the ingredients over to the stove prep
> area and waited for the oil to heat up to the proper
> temperature.
>
> "I'm outa here."
>
> "Later. When're you coming in?"
>
> "I'll call if I'm going to be real late, 'dad.'"
>
> "Be nice..." I warned.
>
> "11."
>
> "Late," and the front door snicked closed.
>
> Whisps of smoke started to rise from the oil in the pan.
> "Perfect!" I turned the burner down to low and put the lid on
> the skillet. I continued seasoning the lamb; salt, pepper,
> lemon, zest, crushed garlic... I was pleased with the looks and
> smells moving about the little kitchen and reached for the lid.
>
> FWOOOM!
>
> Flames blew up and over the lid the moment air streamed in
> through the cracks. I dropped the lid immediately, looking at
> the curled hairs on my arm vying for attention against the
> cherry-red skin. I blistered the air with some impossibly
> colorful metaphors walked over to the sink. "That's going to
> hurt for a while."
>
> After a few more minutes of rinsing the pain away under the
> kitchen faucet, I turned back to the stove. In my absent-minded
> state, I'd forgotten to turn the stove off and noticed black
> smoke curling out of the skillet, over the lid, and straight up
> into the ceiling. "Oh, damn!" A new Costco purchase proved
> handy: an 8" CO2 extinguisher was right by the sink. I pulled
> the pin and fired two quick volleys stoveward.
>
> SSSSSSHHHH! SSSSSHHHHHH!
>
> Lid, skillet and flaming oil blew off the burner and clattered
> against the tile backsplash.
>
> "Whoa!" I watched the lit oil coil up and down the backsplash
> and towards the overhead fan pulling the smoke and CO2 into
> it's filter. I fired the extinguisher two more times.
>
> SSSSHHH! SSSSSHHHH!
>
> White powder now swallowed black smoke.
>
> The flame went out, too. I looked around the kitchen. White
> powder not only circulated through the tiny kitchen, it covered
> everything in it; canisters, cupboards, sink, meat.
>
> I was laying out another string of profanity when the front
> door opened.
>
> "What the..."
>
> "There was a problem with tonight's dinner..."
>
> "Uh, yeah? Com'on out and see the rest of the apartment."
>
> I looked around the corner into the living room and then at the
> doorway. White particles swirled with black smoke. <sigh> "I
> can explain..."
>
> SWMBO listened patiently and then started to laugh. "Well, it
> was memorable. Wait 'til I tell Delta."
>
> I've been living it down more ever since. And family get
> togethers are very painful when Delta talks about it.
>
> The Ranger
>
>

That was a great read, Ranger.

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"James Silverton" schrieb :
> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:16 +0200:
>
>
>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:44 +0200:
>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" schrieb :
>>>>> On Fri 30 May 2008 10:44:12p, sf told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:27 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Three dots make an ellipsis. No more. No less.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> leo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show off! All this time I thought three dots made a
>>>>>> triangle.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Only if you connect them! :-)
>>>>>
>>>> y = kx + d
>>>> Lot's of dots and no triangle ...
>>>
>>> Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any
>>> three points (some might want to say non-collinear).
>>>

>> Nope. You can draw a circle through any _two_ points.
>> I didn't use the the formula for a line without reason ...

>
> Sorry Michael; strange it as it may seem, you will have to go back to your
> High School Geometry texts.
>
>

No, not really. You seem to confuse something here.
You can draw a circle through any two points so that the 3rd point is
inside the circle.
Let k = 0 and d = 0 in the formula above.
Let x = 0,1,2. That gives us the points 0/0, 1/1, 2/2.
Now try do draw a circle through these 3 points ...

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Michael wrote on Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:46:26 +0200:


> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:16 +0200:
>>
>>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:44 +0200:
>>>>
>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" schrieb :
>>>>>> On Fri 30 May 2008 10:44:12p, sf told us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:27 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Three dots make an ellipsis. No more. No less.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> leo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show off! All this time I thought three dots made a
>>>>>>> triangle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only if you connect them! :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> y = kx + d
>>>>> Lot's of dots and no triangle ...
>>>>
>>>> Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any
>>>> three points (some might want to say non-collinear).
>>>>
>>> Nope. You can draw a circle through any _two_ points.
>>> I didn't use the the formula for a line without reason ...

>>
>> Sorry Michael; strange it as it may seem, you will have to go
>> back to your High School Geometry texts.
>>

> No, not really. You seem to confuse something here.
> You can draw a circle through any two points so that the 3rd
> point is inside the circle.
> Let k = 0 and d = 0 in the formula above.
> Let x = 0,1,2. That gives us the points 0/0, 1/1, 2/2.
> Now try do draw a circle through these 3 points ...


OK MIchael!

You have three points, A, B and C.
1. Draw lines connecting AB and BC
2. Construct the line bisecting AB; all points on that line are
equidistant from A and B.
3. Do the same thing for BC.
4. If the two bisecting lines intersect at D, D is equidistant
from A, B and C.
5.Thus a circle centered on D can be drawn through A, B and C.


I don't know if Euclid proved it this way but I can still
remember it from 60 years ago!

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"James Silverton" schrieb :
> Michael wrote on Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:46:26 +0200:
>
>
>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:16 +0200:
>>>
>>>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:44 +0200:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" schrieb :
>>>>>>> On Fri 30 May 2008 10:44:12p, sf told us...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:27 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Three dots make an ellipsis. No more. No less.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> leo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show off! All this time I thought three dots made a
>>>>>>>> triangle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only if you connect them! :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> y = kx + d
>>>>>> Lot's of dots and no triangle ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any
>>>>> three points (some might want to say non-collinear).
>>>>>
>>>> Nope. You can draw a circle through any _two_ points.
>>>> I didn't use the the formula for a line without reason ...
>>>
>>> Sorry Michael; strange it as it may seem, you will have to go
>>> back to your High School Geometry texts.
>>>

>> No, not really. You seem to confuse something here.
>> You can draw a circle through any two points so that the 3rd
>> point is inside the circle.
>> Let k = 0 and d = 0 in the formula above.
>> Let x = 0,1,2. That gives us the points 0/0, 1/1, 2/2.
>> Now try do draw a circle through these 3 points ...

>
> OK MIchael!
>
> You have three points, A, B and C.


A = (0/0). B = (1/1). C = (2/2).

> 1. Draw lines connecting AB and BC
> 2. Construct the line bisecting AB; all points on that line are equidistant
> from A and B.
> 3. Do the same thing for BC.
> 4. If the two bisecting lines intersect at D, D is equidistant from A, B and
> C.
> 5.Thus a circle centered on D can be drawn through A, B and C.
>

Nope. Not if A, B and C are on a line, as I've shown you.
Try it.

>
> I don't know if Euclid proved it this way but I can still remember it from 60
> years ago!
>

I've given you a concrete example where your method doesn't
work.
That's why I objected to "You can draw a circle through every three points."

Cheers,

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"Michael Kuettner" schrieb :
>
> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>> Michael wrote on Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:46:26 +0200:
>>
>>
>>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:16 +0200:
>>>>
>>>>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>>>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:44 +0200:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" schrieb :
>>>>>>>> On Fri 30 May 2008 10:44:12p, sf told us...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:27 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Three dots make an ellipsis. No more. No less.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> leo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Show off! All this time I thought three dots made a
>>>>>>>>> triangle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only if you connect them! :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> y = kx + d
>>>>>>> Lot's of dots and no triangle ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any
>>>>>> three points (some might want to say non-collinear).
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. You can draw a circle through any _two_ points.
>>>>> I didn't use the the formula for a line without reason ...
>>>>
>>>> Sorry Michael; strange it as it may seem, you will have to go
>>>> back to your High School Geometry texts.
>>>>
>>> No, not really. You seem to confuse something here.
>>> You can draw a circle through any two points so that the 3rd
>>> point is inside the circle.
>>> Let k = 0 and d = 0 in the formula above.
>>> Let x = 0,1,2. That gives us the points 0/0, 1/1, 2/2.
>>> Now try do draw a circle through these 3 points ...

>>
>> OK MIchael!
>>
>> You have three points, A, B and C.

>
> A = (0/0). B = (1/1). C = (2/2).
>
>> 1. Draw lines connecting AB and BC
>> 2. Construct the line bisecting AB; all points on that line are equidistant
>> from A and B.
>> 3. Do the same thing for BC.
>> 4. If the two bisecting lines intersect at D, D is equidistant from A, B and
>> C.
>> 5.Thus a circle centered on D can be drawn through A, B and C.
>>

> Nope. Not if A, B and C are on a line, as I've shown you.
> Try it.
>
>>
>> I don't know if Euclid proved it this way but I can still remember it from 60
>> years ago!
>>

> I've given you a concrete example where your method doesn't
> work.
> That's why I objected to "You can draw a circle through every three points."
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Kuettner
>
>

PS : In my example B = D. You see the problem with your method ? ;-)




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On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:59:44 GMT, "James Silverton"
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>2. Construct the line bisecting AB; all points on that line are
>equidistant from A and B.


Hi James,

You neglected to say that the bisecting line is to be
perpendicular to AB.

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>> 2. Construct the line bisecting AB; all points on that line
>> are equidistant from A and B.


> Hi James,


> You neglected to say that the bisecting line is to be
> perpendicular to AB.


> All the best,


Absolutely correct! I did say "construct" the bisector and it
would have been more precise to say "perpendicular bisector". I
was assuming that the only bisector of a line that you can
construct using compasses and straight edge (the only
instruments of a Euclidean proof) was the perpendicular
bisector and that is not true.


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Michael wrote on Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:01:45 +0200:


> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>> Michael wrote on Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:46:26 +0200:
>>
>>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:16 +0200:
>>>>
>>>>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>>>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:44 +0200:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" schrieb :
>>>>>>>> On Fri 30 May 2008 10:44:12p, sf told us...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:27 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Three dots make an ellipsis. No more. No less.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> leo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Show off! All this time I thought three dots made a
>>>>>>>>> triangle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only if you connect them! :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> y = kx + d
>>>>>>> Lot's of dots and no triangle ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any
>>>>>> three points (some might want to say non-collinear).
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. You can draw a circle through any _two_ points.
>>>>> I didn't use the the formula for a line without reason ...
>>>>
>>>> Sorry Michael; strange it as it may seem, you will have to
>>>> go back to your High School Geometry texts.
>>>>
>>> No, not really. You seem to confuse something here.
>>> You can draw a circle through any two points so that the 3rd
>>> point is inside the circle.
>>> Let k = 0 and d = 0 in the formula above.
>>> Let x = 0,1,2. That gives us the points 0/0, 1/1, 2/2.
>>> Now try do draw a circle through these 3 points ...

>>
>> OK MIchael!
>>
>> You have three points, A, B and C.


> A = (0/0). B = (1/1). C = (2/2).


>> 1. Draw lines connecting AB and BC
>> 2. Construct the line bisecting AB; all points on that line
>> are equidistant from A and B. 3. Do the same thing for BC. 4.
>> If the two bisecting lines intersect at D, D is equidistant
>> from A, B and C. 5.Thus a circle centered on D can be drawn
>> through A, B and C.
>>

> Nope. Not if A, B and C are on a line, as I've shown you.
> Try it.


>> I don't know if Euclid proved it this way but I can still
>> remember it from 60 years ago!
>>

> I've given you a concrete example where your method doesn't
> work.
> That's why I objected to "You can draw a circle through every
> three points."


I said,
"Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any
three points (some might want to say non-collinear)"


Your example is three collinear points and the radius of the
circle is infinite!

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"James Silverton" schrieb :
> Michael wrote on Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:01:45 +0200:
>
>
>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>> Michael wrote on Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:46:26 +0200:
>>>
>>>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:16 +0200:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "James Silverton" schrieb :
>>>>>>> Michael wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:44 +0200:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" schrieb :
>>>>>>>>> On Fri 30 May 2008 10:44:12p, sf told us...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:46:27 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Three dots make an ellipsis. No more. No less.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> leo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Show off! All this time I thought three dots made a
>>>>>>>>>> triangle.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only if you connect them! :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> y = kx + d
>>>>>>>> Lot's of dots and no triangle ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any
>>>>>>> three points (some might want to say non-collinear).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. You can draw a circle through any _two_ points.
>>>>>> I didn't use the the formula for a line without reason ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry Michael; strange it as it may seem, you will have to go back to your
>>>>> High School Geometry texts.
>>>>>
>>>> No, not really. You seem to confuse something here.
>>>> You can draw a circle through any two points so that the 3rd
>>>> point is inside the circle.
>>>> Let k = 0 and d = 0 in the formula above.
>>>> Let x = 0,1,2. That gives us the points 0/0, 1/1, 2/2.
>>>> Now try do draw a circle through these 3 points ...
>>>
>>> OK MIchael!
>>>
>>> You have three points, A, B and C.

>
>> A = (0/0). B = (1/1). C = (2/2).

>
>>> 1. Draw lines connecting AB and BC
>>> 2. Construct the line bisecting AB; all points on that line
>>> are equidistant from A and B. 3. Do the same thing for BC. 4.
>>> If the two bisecting lines intersect at D, D is equidistant
>>> from A, B and C. 5.Thus a circle centered on D can be drawn
>>> through A, B and C.
>>>

>> Nope. Not if A, B and C are on a line, as I've shown you.
>> Try it.

>
>>> I don't know if Euclid proved it this way but I can still
>>> remember it from 60 years ago!
>>>

>> I've given you a concrete example where your method doesn't
>> work.
>> That's why I objected to "You can draw a circle through every three points."

>
> I said,
> "Just for the hell of it! You can draw a circle thro' any
> three points (some might want to say non-collinear)"
>

Which you said _after_ I pointed out that connecting three points
don't always form a triangle (y = kx +d).
You can't draw a circle through any three points because it doesn't
work with collinear points.

>
> Your example is three collinear points and the radius of the circle is
> infinite!
>

Yes and no. Only if you allow the lines to converge in infinity ;-)


Cheers,

Michael Kuettner



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