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> What the hell is going on with all this "Microshit" spam and bullshit

attachments
> and why the hell isn't Microsoft doing something about it.
>
> I have to get myself a new email address every few weeks because my

mailboxes
> are overflowing with Micros**t spam and attachments.
>
> Microsoft won't have a single customer left if they don't act soon.
>


It's a virus.... Someone (not from microsoft) wrote a virus, put it as
being from microsoft and being an important security patch... Which,
microsoft does not send patches/updates thorugh e-mail. You have to go
through windows update.

Since it's spammers/malicious individuals, I'm not sure microsoft can do
much to stop it..


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DRB > wrote:

> Since it's spammers/malicious individuals, I'm not sure microsoft can do
> much to stop it..


Maybe they could write decent software that doesn't allow viruses and
worms to replicate so easily.
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In article >,
says...
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:28:32 +0100,
(Herself)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > DRB > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since it's spammers/malicious individuals, I'm not sure microsoft can do
> > > > much to stop it..
> > >
> > > Maybe they could write decent software that doesn't allow viruses and
> > > worms to replicate so easily.

> >
> > If it can be written, it can be overwritten.... and that's
> > why we have malicious code.

>
> Hmmm...really? Then why is there so few viruses for Macs and Linux?


Because most virus writers and script kiddies target M$ because 95% of
people out there are using a wintel machine. Why bother to write a virus
for a system when relatively, hardly anyone will open/run it?

> MS
> writes crappy code, has serious flaws in their software (come on, how
> many security patches do you hear about in the news every week from
> them),


I have my drive partioned so as I can run windoze or redhat 8.0. I get
probably 2-3 patch alerts a week from redhat. Linux is just as prone to
security flaws, but with Linux, you aren't paying big bucks for the
software with the reasonable expectation that it will be secure.


and generally are the downfall of civilization. Okay, maybe not
> that last part, but there are plenty of things they could do to make
> things be *better*, and they don't.
>

Agreed. They code lazy and it shows.

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"Herself" > wrote in message
> there are plenty of things they could do to make
> things be *better*, and they don't.
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> 'Tis Herself


Please list them. The people at MS wouldlike to know also.

Mac and Linux are such a small OS that the virus writers don't bother with
them. If you want to catch a lot of fish, you go to the ocean to get the
most you can, not to the woods where little are found. People who write
viruses want to see the results on the news, not three guys talking about it
at the Linux conference.

Simple fat is that if one man can make something, another can take it down.
Code breaking goes back centuries.
Ed


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Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:

> Please list them. The people at MS wouldlike to know also.


Sure...go Google for "microsoft" and "fix".

> Mac and Linux are such a small OS that the virus writers don't bother with
> them. If you want to catch a lot of fish, you go to the ocean to get the
> most you can, not to the woods where little are found. People who write
> viruses want to see the results on the news, not three guys talking about it
> at the Linux conference.


Look, the main problem with viruses is that they are written for Outlook
for Windows. How hard would it be to tweak a couple lines of code that
would render viruses impotent? Not hard. One little change in one line
of code could stop it. But they don't.

Yes, crackers want to see their name up in lights. But with the
incidence of Linux servers all over the place (since Apache can now run
on OSX), it could be an easy way...but they go for MS, cause the media
will run with it.

> Simple fat is that if one man can make something, another can take it down.
> Code breaking goes back centuries.


And I'm all for code breaking and transparency. Neither of which MS is
for.


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Herself > wrote:
> DRB > wrote:


>> Since it's spammers/malicious individuals, I'm not sure microsoft can do
>> much to stop it..


> Maybe they could write decent software that doesn't allow viruses and
> worms to replicate so easily.


Good point.
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sf > wrote:

> If it can be written, it can be overwritten.... and that's
> why we have malicious code.


Huh?



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AzuReBlue > wrote:

> Because most virus writers and script kiddies target M$ because 95% of
> people out there are using a wintel machine. Why bother to write a virus
> for a system when relatively, hardly anyone will open/run it?


Not really? There are millions of servers that run Linux and the Mac OS, but
they're not hit to nearly the degree that Microsoft is by viruses. Writing a
virus that hits Microsoft users is so easy that there's even software out
there to automate the process. That software would not be possible were it
not for the vast range of deficiencies in Microsoft's Operating Systems.

> I have my drive partioned so as I can run windoze or redhat 8.0. I get
> probably 2-3 patch alerts a week from redhat. Linux is just as prone to
> security flaws, but with Linux, you aren't paying big bucks for the
> software with the reasonable expectation that it will be secure.


Right. Linux isn't perfect either. There are some virus kits for Linux
implementations, if I am not mistaken, but Microsoft Windows is such easy
pickings that any grade school kid with a modest knowledge of computers can
bring a server down if they want and with little risk of impunity if they do
it right.

> and generally are the downfall of civilization. Okay, maybe not
>> that last part, but there are plenty of things they could do to make
>> things be *better*, and they don't.
>>

> Agreed. They code lazy and it shows.


Absolutely. This is why every few years, the higher ups at Microcrap come
out with this big news flash that they will strengthen the security of their
code, and then we hear nothing about it down the rode. The best way for the
average user to secure their computer is to throw out Windows and either run
Linux OR get a Mac and run Mac OS X.

By the way, the next version of Mac OS X (known as Panther) is due out at
8:00pm tonight. Any authorized Mac reseller will be having an opening
Panther party tonight from 8:00 - midnight so feel free to stop by to check
it out if you're curious.
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Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:

> Mac and Linux are such a small OS that the virus writers don't bother with
> them. If you want to catch a lot of fish, you go to the ocean to get the
> most you can, not to the woods where little are found. People who write
> viruses want to see the results on the news, not three guys talking about it
> at the Linux conference.


> Simple fat is that if one man can make something, another can take it down.
> Code breaking goes back centuries.


Utter nonsense. Mac OS X has several million installations. Earlier versions
are humming along just fine. Linux has millions of servers sitting on the
Internet too. I work in the computer field. I use all the operating systems
being discussed here. Windows is far and away the least secure of all the
operating systems I use (and that includes Windows XP, their flagship
product). The reason Windows gets hacked at so often is because its an easy
target, not because it is so popular. Solaris also has problems and so does
Linux, but the fixes are usually out before hackers get word of them.


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wrote:
> AzuReBlue > wrote:
>
>
>>Because most virus writers and script kiddies target M$ because 95% of
>>people out there are using a wintel machine. Why bother to write a virus
>>for a system when relatively, hardly anyone will open/run it?

>


> The best way for the
> average user to secure their computer is to throw out Windows and either run
> Linux OR get a Mac and run Mac OS X.




Like as has been said before then crackers would concentrate on these OSes.

And you said it, Average User. The average user is what needs addressed.

The [people in my family are average users. My wife can run a computer
like all get out, but if I had to depend on her to run updates and keep
the box current I would have my Mothers computer. I loaded Win2k in moms
computer, NIS, got all the programs and drivers current. She has changed
log-ins to blank and hasn't updated anything for 6 months. It's all too
much bother.

I did the same for my sister-in-laws machine. But she has a little
******* brat child so I used hardened passwords. She ignored the
password expiration warnings for two weeks, waited a bit longer, then
needed the non expiring Administrators password. Gave it to her during a
visit to Ma and Pa in-laws. Half hour later she pulls the paper out and
starts going over it with me, in front of her kid. I about went
ballistic. A couple of weeks later the machine wouldn't run. Big surprise.

These are your average users. Nothing will protect them from themselves.


How many cars would there be if in order to have one you had to actually
maintain it? Tune up and oil changes, brakes, the muffler. I dare say
not many.

How many people would have computers if they had to make it work? Even
to as simple a level as one analogous to putting fuel in the tank?
Keeping the computer updated. Hell, some leave the boot on LAN enabled
and disable their passwords? Why not leave the keys in the ignition?


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Herself wrote:
>
> Hmmm...really? Then why is there so few viruses for Macs and Linux? MS
> writes crappy code, has serious flaws in their software (come on, how
> many security patches do you hear about in the news every week from
> them), and generally are the downfall of civilization. Okay, maybe not
> that last part, but there are plenty of things they could do to make
> things be *better*, and they don't.


Perhaps because the average linux user *that would be stupid enough to
click on an executable attachment from a stranger* does not have root or
administrator (not sure of the right terminology here) authority. The
users with enough authority to take down the system don't open weird
attachments sent to them by strangers. I'm sure some actually are
stupid enough, but there's not a large enough population for the virus
to spread.

Mac OS's don't make up a large enough percentage of the population for
the virus to propagate, even if its users are stupid (and I'm not
suggesting that they are).

Microsoft Windows has lots of stupid and/or ignorant users who do not
apply service packs and will click on any link presented to them. So
the virus can spread easily.

Bob

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In article >,
> wrote:

> What the hell is going on with all this "Microshit" spam and bullshit

attachments


I assume that somebody was angry with MS and so wrote a virus, claiming to
be from MS.


> and why the hell isn't Microsoft doing something about it.



First of all, there's nothing they can do about somebody using their name
anonymously, and second, it's not their problem.



> Microsoft won't have a single customer left if they don't act soon.



I suspect that most of their customers understand the above. If you read
the spam, you will see that 90% of them refer you to the MS security
site. The first thing that you see on that site is a warning that MS
never sends stuff out via Email.

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Sonoma State University
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In article >, Mark
> wrote:



> Keeping the computer updated. Hell, some leave the boot on LAN enabled
> and disable their passwords? Why not leave the keys in the ignition?



I don't know. Why not? I'm old enough to remember the old Chevys. Not
only could you take the key out without locking the ignition, they put
places for your fingers so you could easily start and stop the engine
without the key.


I generally don't password protect my computers. We are required to at
work, so I do, but not at home.

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Sonoma State University
AIS

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I too am receiving HOARDS of spam from them. It IS a virus-my McAfee
detected it! I throw all the crap out and delete it but it's a pain in the
neck!!!! Every day I seem to get more and more of this crap!
Jo-Ann
> wrote in message
.com...
> What the hell is going on with all this "Microshit" spam and bullshit

attachments
> and why the hell isn't Microsoft doing something about it.
>
> I have to get myself a new email address every few weeks because my

mailboxes
> are overflowing with Micros**t spam and attachments.
>
> Microsoft won't have a single customer left if they don't act soon.
>
>
>
>



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> wrote in message
.com...
> What the hell is going on with all this "Microshit" spam and bullshit

attachments
> and why the hell isn't Microsoft doing something about it.
>
> I have to get myself a new email address every few weeks because my

mailboxes
> are overflowing with Micros**t spam and attachments.
>
> Microsoft won't have a single customer left if they don't act soon.
>
>
>
>


Hey PAT, nice to see you. Since you weigh 500 lbs I expected to see you
here, sooner or later.


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In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> Microsoft Windows has lots of stupid and/or ignorant users who do not
> apply service packs and will click on any link presented to them. So
> the virus can spread easily.


Well, applying service packs won't solve the problem. Micro$oft only
issues *reactive* patches, and very rarely (if ever) proactive ones.
They are moderately good at preventing the *exact same* worm from
propagating a second time (after enough users get the patch in), but
they're absolutely unable to stop new ones *before they get loose*.

Windows is the Ford Pinto of operating systems.

Isaac
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:58:09 GMT, Isaac Wingfield
> wrote:
>
> Windows is the Ford Pinto of operating systems.
>


Yeah, yeah, yeah.... and all windoze users are losers, is
that your point? If so, go crawl back in your hole.


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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:40:11 GMT, "Jo-Ann" <RiverRun@
mindspring.com> wrote:

> I too am receiving HOARDS of spam from them. It IS a virus-my McAfee
> detected it! I throw all the crap out and delete it but it's a pain in the
> neck!!!! Every day I seem to get more and more of this crap!
> Jo-Ann


The best defense is to change your dominate email address.

My current return address isn't munged and I've used it
since August, yet I have gotten absolutely NO visus attached
email here.

However, my old, sf@ (10 MB) mailbox still fills up on an
every other day basis as of this week, vs. the daily basis
it was on before that. So, IMO, the virus infected
computers that are sending out this cr*p must be finally
breaking down.

It's about time! I hope when their ignorant owners get a
new hard drive, they also get some virus protection.

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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:12:03 +0100, (Herself)
wrote:

> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:28:32 +0100,
(Herself)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > DRB > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since it's spammers/malicious individuals, I'm not sure microsoft can do
> > > > much to stop it..
> > >
> > > Maybe they could write decent software that doesn't allow viruses and
> > > worms to replicate so easily.

> >
> > If it can be written, it can be overwritten.... and that's
> > why we have malicious code.

>
> Hmmm...really? Then why is there so few viruses for Macs and Linux?


Let's put it this way: If Mac was at the top o' the heap,
especially if Steve Jobs was perceived as a rich jerk, Mac
would be just as hard hit as Windows. Perhaps it would be a
little harder to crack, but it could be done by anyone
willing to spend the time.

> MS
> writes crappy code, has serious flaws in their software (come on, how
> many security patches do you hear about in the news every week from
> them), and generally are the downfall of civilization.


LOL! and that's why so many people still prefer Windows.
We're going to Hell in a handbasket anyway, so why not do it
using a friendlier interface?

> Okay, maybe not
> that last part, but there are plenty of things they could do to make
> things be *better*, and they don't.


The best security patch I have is ME (the person). I'm the
one who makes sure I'm never infected.

My first line of defense if to use stand alone software for
everything. Besides, I perfer the products I use over the
MS versions.

The second line (for me) is updated antivirus software.
Personally, I don't care if virus protection is reactive as
long as it reacts in a timely manner!

Security patches are way down the list in my opinion of what
really works and what doesn't work for me.


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sf > wrote:

> Let's put it this way: If Mac was at the top o' the heap,
> especially if Steve Jobs was perceived as a rich jerk, Mac
> would be just as hard hit as Windows. Perhaps it would be a
> little harder to crack, but it could be done by anyone
> willing to spend the time.


Since when is Steve Jobs not seen as a rich (vegan) jerk? :-) He gets
just as much crap as Gates..as well as having a fanatical following.

But people *could* still spend the time now...bringing down Linux
servers would crash a lot of sites...including Hotmail.

> LOL! and that's why so many people still prefer Windows.
> We're going to Hell in a handbasket anyway, so why not do it
> using a friendlier interface?


People stay with what they know. I've used Macs since 6th grade, so I'm
still on it at home (when I worked, I had to use Windows, and hated it).
Don't forget...lots of the look and feel of Windows was done in Macs
years ago...

> The best security patch I have is ME (the person). I'm the
> one who makes sure I'm never infected.
>
> My first line of defense if to use stand alone software for
> everything. Besides, I perfer the products I use over the
> MS versions.
>
> The second line (for me) is updated antivirus software.
> Personally, I don't care if virus protection is reactive as
> long as it reacts in a timely manner!
>
> Security patches are way down the list in my opinion of what
> really works and what doesn't work for me.


But you are so not like most Windows users (in a good way!) Most just
leave the computer the same way it was the day they set it up. If
everyone was like you, there'd be no viruses...or there would be
viruses, but they wouldn't go anywhere.
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sf > wrote:

> Let's put it this way: If Mac was at the top o' the heap,
> especially if Steve Jobs was perceived as a rich jerk, Mac
> would be just as hard hit as Windows. Perhaps it would be a
> little harder to crack, but it could be done by anyone
> willing to spend the time.


I disagree. People come knocking on my Mac all the time, but they do not get
in. Windows is a commonly used platform for virus developers because it is
ridiculously easy to write virus code for Windows.

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