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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 12:35:43a, Dan Abel meant to say...

> In article >,
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>>
>> > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article >,
>> >> Serene > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Abe wrote:
>> >>> >> jmcquown wrote:
>> >>> >>> She's one of those people, if she doesn't know what it is it
>> >>> >>> must be terrible. If anyone mentioned sourdough she'd freak.
>> >>> >>> WHATEVER.
>> >>> >> I'd advise to steer clear of mental cases like her.
>> >>> > There's clearly something screwy in her upbringing that has
>> >>> > affected this way. I don't think she sees that she has a choice
>> >>> > in the matter. It's called a mental illness.
>> >>>
>> >>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Personal experience.
>> >>
>> >>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the other
>> >>avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent. When the
>> >>primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but to learn
>> >>that.
>> >>
>> >>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>> >
>> > I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
>> > driven insane. It's especially true for children because they don't
>> > have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a reality
>> > check.
>> >

>>
>> If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

>
> You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
> virtual MercedesBenz.
>


Presumably to a virtual institution...

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Date: Sunday, November(XI) 25th(XXV),2007(MMVII)

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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 03:45:04a, meant to say...

> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:35:43 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>In article >,
>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>
>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>>>
>>> > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Serene > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>>> >>
>>> >>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
>>> >>other avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent.
>>> >>When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but
>>> >>to learn that.
>>> >>
>>> >>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>>> >
>>> > I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
>>> > driven insane. It's especially true for children because they don't
>>> > have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a reality
>>> > check.
>>>
>>> If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

>>
>>You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
>>virtual MercedesBenz.

>
> Channeling Janis Joplin.....
>
> "Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
> My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
> Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
> So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"
>


:-)

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On Nov 25, 3:34 am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> "Dee.Dee" > dropped this news:fiaq62$1av$1
> @registered.motzarella.org: in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>
>
>
> > <sf> wrote in messagenews:kaqgk31uh1fjahv8kl76b8iljo1jdsugj6@4ax .com...
> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:47 GMT, blake murphy >
> >> wrote:

>
> >>>or maybe it's some kind of residual puritan idea that folks are being
> >>>punished by god, who seems to go in for that sort of thing.

>
> >> We don't have to blame the Puritans. We have plenty of modern day
> >> bible thumpers who think that way.

>
> > It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
> > beliefs.
> > Dee Dee

>
> I'm agnostic at best.


I'm atheist, but I recognize that it is fellow atheists who have been
the worst villains in history, at least in total numbers. When you
add up Stalin and Pol Pot...
Marx described the church in Germany at the time as "opium." In
modern America, I would say that it is sports that is the opium (GO
TIGERS!), giving people something to feel like winners about when they
are obviously losing in the cold war of class relations. The
Christians in this country have been at the forefront of most of the
positive, progressive movements. That said, the Religious Right are
my sworn enemies.
Anyway, America has one TRUE RELIGION, as described in The Bonobos'
lyrics:

Yeah, Right

I got some buddies who tell me they're Christian
Yeah, right.
And I've got some friends, you know they tell me they're Pagan
Yeah, right.
This guy that I work with, he says he's a Muslim
Yeah, right
But we all bow down for the worship of Mammon
Allright!
We all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon
Allright!
We all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon
Allright!
And we'll all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon tonight
Let's go!


>
> Michael


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"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote in
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>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:35:43 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>>In article >,
>>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Serene > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
>>>> >>other avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent.
>>>> >>When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice

but
>>>> >>to learn that.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>>>> >
>>>> > I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can

be
>>>> > driven insane. It's especially true for children because they
>>>> > don't have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a
>>>> > reality check.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.
>>>
>>>You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be

a
>>>virtual MercedesBenz.

>>
>> Channeling Janis Joplin.....
>>
>> "Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
>> My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
>> Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
>> So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"

>
> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in

this
> lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.
>


I want a Saab.


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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:35:43 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>>In article >,
>>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Serene > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
>>>> >>other avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent.
>>>> >>When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but
>>>> >>to learn that.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>>>> >
>>>> > I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
>>>> > driven insane. It's especially true for children because they
>>>> > don't have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a
>>>> > reality check.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.
>>>
>>>You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
>>>virtual MercedesBenz.

>>
>> Channeling Janis Joplin.....
>>
>> "Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
>> My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
>> Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
>> So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"

>
> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in this
> lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.
>


I sense you are under a certain age. It wasn't about the Mercedes. I
think
you had to be there. On the bad side, if you were there, you damn near
OLD!


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"Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
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>>
>> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in

> this
>> lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.
>>

>
> I want a Saab.



I've already had my dream -- Alpha (top down - Hawaii).
Sigh- nothing to aspire to.
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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 09:27:05a, Dee.Dee meant to say...

>
> "Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
> . 17.102...
>>>
>>> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in
>>> this lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.
>>>

>>
>> I want a Saab.

>
>
> I've already had my dream -- Alpha (top down - Hawaii).
> Sigh- nothing to aspire to.
> Dee Dee
>
>
>


How very sad, Dee Dee. :-(

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On Nov 25, 8:49 am, "Dee.Dee" > wrote:
> <sf> wrote in messagenews:esjik3l6d8uhv47siqf1o9ps87dco6emv3@4ax .com...
> > On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:33:11 +0000 (UTC),
> > (Steve Pope) wrote:

>
> >>Dee.Dee > wrote:

>
> >>>It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
> >>>beliefs.

>
> >>Religion and barbecue.

>
> > somehow the two seem to be intertwined.... even before christianity

>
> Clever person, you!


Barbecue has "a pleasing aroma."

> Dee Dee


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On Nov 25, 4:53 am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
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>
>
> > On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:35:43 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
> >>In article >,
> >> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>
> >>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...

>
> >>> > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel >
> >>> > wrote:

>
> >>> >> Serene > wrote:

>
> >>> >>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?

>
> >>> >>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
> >>> >>other avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent.
> >>> >>When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but
> >>> >>to learn that.

>
> >>> >>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.

>
> >>> > I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
> >>> > driven insane. It's especially true for children because they
> >>> > don't have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a
> >>> > reality check.

>
> >>> If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

>
> >>You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will be a
> >>virtual MercedesBenz.

>
> > Channeling Janis Joplin.....

>
> > "Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
> > My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
> > Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
> > So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"

>
> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in this
> lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.


Do you go off road? If not, why would you want one of those? They
are really crappy on pavement. I know. I drive a '97 Wrangler. We
have it because we go camping way off grid, where there are obstacles
that require a 4WD with plenty of ground clearance.
Our other car is a Kia Rio, which was a replacement for the Geo Metro
that I sold to a junkyard.
>
> Michael


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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
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> Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 09:27:05a, Dee.Dee meant to say...
>
>>
>> "Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
>> . 17.102...
>>>>
>>>> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in
>>>> this lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I want a Saab.

>>
>>
>> I've already had my dream -- Alpha (top down - Hawaii).
>> Sigh- nothing to aspire to.
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>

>
> How very sad, Dee Dee. :-(
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright



Right.
Since I have no further aspirations in the auto department, I think I'll
just get dressed and take a mile walk on my own trail and listen to the
birds and look at the beautiful skies. I believe the Indians traversed
here. I'll give thanks for their land which I have purchased.

Toodle-doo.
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On Nov 25, 10:27 am, "Dee.Dee" > wrote:
> "Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
>
> . 17.102...
>
>
>
> >> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in

> > this
> >> lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.

>
> > I want a Saab.

>
> I've already had my dream -- Alpha (top down - Hawaii).
> Sigh- nothing to aspire to.


You mean an Alfa? Like a Spyder? I used to have a Fiat Bertone
X-1/9. A piece of crap in some ways, but a joy to drive when it
wasn't at Tony's Car Repair.

> Dee Dee


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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 09:37:59a, Dee.Dee meant to say...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 3.184...
>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 09:27:05a, Dee.Dee meant to say...
>>
>>>
>>> "Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
>>> . 17.102...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in
>>>>> this lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want a Saab.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've already had my dream -- Alpha (top down - Hawaii).
>>> Sigh- nothing to aspire to.
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> How very sad, Dee Dee. :-(
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright

>
>
> Right.
> Since I have no further aspirations in the auto department, I think I'll
> just get dressed and take a mile walk on my own trail and listen to the
> birds and look at the beautiful skies. I believe the Indians traversed
> here. I'll give thanks for their land which I have purchased.
>
> Toodle-doo.
> Dee Dee
>
>
>


$24 in beads?

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On Nov 25, 10:42 am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
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> > I'm atheist, but I recognize that it is fellow atheists who have been
> > the worst villains in history, at least in total numbers. When you
> > add up Stalin and Pol Pot...
> > Marx described the church in Germany at the time as "opium." In
> > modern America, I would say that it is sports that is the opium (GO
> > TIGERS!), giving people something to feel like winners about when they
> > are obviously losing in the cold war of class relations. The
> > Christians in this country have been at the forefront of most of the
> > positive, progressive movements. That said, the Religious Right are
> > my sworn enemies.
> > Anyway, America has one TRUE RELIGION, as described in The Bonobos'
> > lyrics:

>
> I swear though, what I find most profound is the people on death row.
> They all of a sudden find religion. They butcher up countless people and
> then they find religion. Blows my mind. I interviewed a serial killer's
> father. I will not go into detail... ever but I will say the father said
> his son was a killer from the outset. This is from my crime group I used
> to sub to. BTW, do you know Cheech Maron? He is a friend of mine. I
> think you 2 would hit it off.
>

I thought it was spelled Marin.
>
> > Yeah, Right

>
> > I got some buddies who tell me they're Christian
> > Yeah, right.
> > And I've got some friends, you know they tell me they're Pagan
> > Yeah, right.
> > This guy that I work with, he says he's a Muslim
> > Yeah, right
> > But we all bow down for the worship of Mammon
> > Allright!
> > We all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon
> > Allright!
> > We all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon
> > Allright!
> > And we'll all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon tonight
> > Let's go!

>
> Rock on... I love it.
>
> Michael


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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote

> Michael <- likes Volvos but everyone in the neighborhood has one or more
> of them
>


The problem I see with Volvos is they turn you into a
crappy driver. Or is it a chicken/egg thing? Heh.

nancy




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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote
> Well, I'm old but don't feel it. But I hear what you're saying. I'm 52...
> does that count as old?


You sound much younger! Anyway, I see that you get the context, you'd just
rather have a jeep.


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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
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> Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 09:27:05a, Dee.Dee meant to say...
>
>>
>> "Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
>> . 17.102...
>>>>
>>>> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in
>>>> this lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I want a Saab.

>>
>>
>> I've already had my dream -- Alpha (top down - Hawaii).
>> Sigh- nothing to aspire to.
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>

>
> How very sad, Dee Dee. :-(
>


It is. Alpha Romeo's were the darlings of the 70s studs. There
are much better cars out there now.


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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> Right.
>> Since I have no further aspirations in the auto department, I think I'll
>> just get dressed and take a mile walk on my own trail and listen to the
>> birds and look at the beautiful skies. I believe the Indians traversed
>> here. I'll give thanks for their land which I have purchased.
>>
>> Toodle-doo.
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>

>
> $24 in beads?
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright




Sorry to say, wampum has spiraled due to devaluation of the dollar. I'd
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On Nov 25, 10:42 am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
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> > I'm atheist, but I recognize that it is fellow atheists who have been
> > the worst villains in history, at least in total numbers. When you
> > add up Stalin and Pol Pot...
> > Marx described the church in Germany at the time as "opium." In
> > modern America, I would say that it is sports that is the opium (GO
> > TIGERS!), giving people something to feel like winners about when they
> > are obviously losing in the cold war of class relations. The
> > Christians in this country have been at the forefront of most of the
> > positive, progressive movements. That said, the Religious Right are
> > my sworn enemies.
> > Anyway, America has one TRUE RELIGION, as described in The Bonobos'
> > lyrics:

>
> I swear though, what I find most profound is the people on death row.
> They all of a sudden find religion. They butcher up countless people and
> then they find religion. Blows my mind. I interviewed a serial killer's
> father. I will not go into detail... ever but I will say the father said
> his son was a killer from the outset. This is from my crime group I used
> to sub to. BTW, do you know Cheech Maron? He is a friend of mine. I
> think you 2 would hit it off.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Yeah, Right

>
> > I got some buddies who tell me they're Christian
> > Yeah, right.
> > And I've got some friends, you know they tell me they're Pagan
> > Yeah, right.
> > This guy that I work with, he says he's a Muslim
> > Yeah, right
> > But we all bow down for the worship of Mammon
> > Allright!
> > We all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon
> > Allright!
> > We all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon
> > Allright!
> > And we'll all bow down 'cause we're worshippin' Mammon tonight
> > Let's go!

>
> Rock on... I love it.


I sent you the mp3 of the studio version (off our 7")
>
> Michael


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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote
>
> I just bought a new Nissan Murano. Not sure how I'm going to like it. I
> kept the Jeep... Just in case. The Jeep is 10 years old. I pay cash for
> my cars but I put money into a savings account every month just like a
> car payment. The Murano was all I could afford but I really wanted a BMW
> X5. Those puppies are FAST. Besides, I did not want leather seats.
> Leather in St. Louis sucks.


Arrgghhhhh! I LOVE the Murano! I saw it in a coppery color, and it, and
the Lexis, are the only vehicles of that kind that I like.

I WANT leather seats!







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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:48:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>Oh pshaw, on Sat 24 Nov 2007 10:09:25a, blake murphy meant to say...
>
>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:32:16 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article >,
>>>>> Serene > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Abe wrote:
>>>>>> >> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> >>> She's one of those people, if she doesn't know what it is it
>>>>>> >>> must be terrible. If anyone mentioned sourdough she'd freak.
>>>>>> >>> WHATEVER.
>>>>>> >> I'd advise to steer clear of mental cases like her.
>>>>>> > There's clearly something screwy in her upbringing that has

>affected
>>>>>> > this way. I don't think she sees that she has a choice in the

>matter.
>>>>>> > It's called a mental illness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Personal experience.
>>>>>
>>>>>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the other
>>>>>avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent. When the
>>>>>primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but to learn

>that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>>>>
>>>> I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
>>>> driven insane. It's especially true for children because they don't
>>>> have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a reality check.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.

>>
>> ...with a few stops at saloons along the way.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>>
>>

>
>Make that a Mercedes limo with a bar. :-)


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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:13:17 -0800, sf wrote:

>On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:47 GMT, blake murphy >
>wrote:
>
>>or maybe it's some kind of residual puritan idea that folks are being
>>punished by god, who seems to go in for that sort of thing.

>
>We don't have to blame the Puritans. We have plenty of modern day
>bible thumpers who think that way.


yeah, they got lots of residue.

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:50:46 -0800 (PST), "Bobo Bonobo(R)"
> wrote:

>On Nov 24, 12:13 pm, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:47 GMT, blake murphy >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >or maybe it's some kind of residual puritan idea that folks are being
>> >punished by god, who seems to go in for that sort of thing.

>>
>> We don't have to blame the Puritans. We have plenty of modern day
>> bible thumpers who think that way.
>>

>People who write things like that are almost always people who God
>hates anyway.
>
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god's a pretty narrow-minded fellow. some of my best friends are
shrimp-eaters.

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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:34:41 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
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>"Dee.Dee" > dropped this news:fiaq62$1av$1
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>>
>> <sf> wrote in message ...
>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:47 GMT, blake murphy >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>or maybe it's some kind of residual puritan idea that folks are being
>>>>punished by god, who seems to go in for that sort of thing.
>>>
>>> We don't have to blame the Puritans. We have plenty of modern day
>>> bible thumpers who think that way.

>>
>>
>>
>> It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
>> beliefs.
>> Dee Dee

>
>I'm agnostic at best.
>
>Michael


why 'at best'? come out the other closet and embrace your atheism,
michael! wail with it!

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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:10:44 -0800 (PST), "Bobo Bonobo(R)"
> wrote:

>On Nov 25, 3:34 am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>> "Dee.Dee" > dropped this news:fiaq62$1av$1
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>>
>>
>> > <sf> wrote in messagenews:kaqgk31uh1fjahv8kl76b8iljo1jdsugj6@4ax .com...
>> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:47 GMT, blake murphy >
>> >> wrote:

>>
>> >>>or maybe it's some kind of residual puritan idea that folks are being
>> >>>punished by god, who seems to go in for that sort of thing.

>>
>> >> We don't have to blame the Puritans. We have plenty of modern day
>> >> bible thumpers who think that way.

>>
>> > It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
>> > beliefs.
>> > Dee Dee

>>
>> I'm agnostic at best.

>
>I'm atheist, but I recognize that it is fellow atheists who have been
>the worst villains in history, at least in total numbers. When you
>add up Stalin and Pol Pot...


what difference does that make? believing in god doesn't guarantee
you won't be a villain, just as being an atheist doesn't mean you have
no morals.

also, it doesn't take killing people to be a tyrant causing great
misery.

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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:40:43 -0800 (PST), "Bobo Bonobo(R)"
> wrote:

>You mean an Alfa? Like a Spyder? I used to have a Fiat Bertone
>X-1/9. A piece of crap in some ways, but a joy to drive when it
>wasn't at Tony's Car Repair.
>

We had a Fiat Spider for years. I always said it was made on a
Tuesday.... because we never had problems with it until it got old and
was supposed to have problems.


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"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote in
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> Sarah Gray > dropped this
> . 17.102: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote in
>> 6.121:
>>
>>> sf dropped this : in
>>> rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:35:43 -0800, Dan Abel >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>In article >,
>>>>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel >
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Serene > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
>>>>>> >>other avoids the family, then the child learns from that
>>>>>> >>parent. When the primary role model is insane, the child has no
>>>>>> >>choice

>> but
>>>>>> >>to learn that.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can

>> be
>>>>>> > driven insane. It's especially true for children because they
>>>>>> > don't have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a
>>>>>> > reality check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.
>>>>>
>>>>>You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will
>>>>>be

>> a
>>>>>virtual MercedesBenz.
>>>>
>>>> Channeling Janis Joplin.....
>>>>
>>>> "Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
>>>> My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
>>>> Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
>>>> So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"
>>>
>>> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in

>> this
>>> lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.
>>>

>>
>> I want a Saab.

>
> I just bought a new Nissan Murano. Not sure how I'm going to like it.
> I kept the Jeep... Just in case. The Jeep is 10 years old. I pay cash
> for my cars but I put money into a savings account every month just
> like a car payment. The Murano was all I could afford but I really
> wanted a BMW X5. Those puppies are FAST. Besides, I did not want
> leather seats. Leather in St. Louis sucks.
>
> So, you're a Saab snob
>


Kind of amusing considering I currently drive a Ford Tempo (a stick
shift, at least!)

> Michael <- likes Volvos but everyone in the neighborhood has one or
> more of them


My parents used to drive old Volvos. Before that, they had a red and
white VW microbus with the words "Too much magic bus" that my mother
painted on the back...
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:46:37 -0500, "Nancy Young" >
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>
>"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote
>
>> Michael <- likes Volvos but everyone in the neighborhood has one or more
>> of them
>>

>
>The problem I see with Volvos is they turn you into a
>crappy driver. Or is it a chicken/egg thing? Heh.
>

When I drove a Lancia, my kids wanted me to drive a Volvo. Those were
the days of the commercial when they pushed on off a cliff. The kids
tried to convince me to switch for the safety factor. They were still
in elementary school and real conformists. All the other moms were
driving Volvos and I didn't conform.

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Sarah Gray wrote:
> "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote in
> 6.121:
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>> sf dropped this : in
>> rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:35:43 -0800, Dan Abel >
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Serene > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the
>>>>>>> other avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent.
>>>>>>> When the primary role model is insane, the child has no choice
>>>>>>> but to learn that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can
>>>>>> be driven insane. It's especially true for children because they
>>>>>> don't have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a
>>>>>> reality check.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.
>>>>
>>>> You've got it. Of course, if you are going to be insane, it will
>>>> be a virtual MercedesBenz.
>>>
>>> Channeling Janis Joplin.....
>>>
>>> "Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?
>>> My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
>>> Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
>>> So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz ?"

>>
>> Hon, are you intoxicated? LOL... Just kidding. A Mercedes? Not in
>> this lifetime. Gimme a Jeep anytime.
>>

>
> I want a Saab.


I have a shogun and my last was a Miata <G> I don't have any other fancies
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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:40:43 -0800 (PST), "Bobo Bonobo(R)"
> > wrote:
>
>>You mean an Alfa? Like a Spyder? I used to have a Fiat Bertone
>>X-1/9. A piece of crap in some ways, but a joy to drive when it
>>wasn't at Tony's Car Repair.
>>

> We had a Fiat Spider for years. I always said it was made on a
> Tuesday.... because we never had problems with it until it got old and
> was supposed to have problems.
>
>


My Alfa wasn't a piece of crap. The people who always attended to Alpha
R.'s warranty were in the same dealership as Jaguar in California and
something else - Mercedes? - in Washington State. It was nice to not have
your car attended by some guy that looked and acted like a total idiot. It
was not until we moved to Hawaii that it fell under the auspices of the Ford
dealership for warranty. Then when we came to Virginia, we had no choice
but to take it to another 'one size fits all' repair shop near Washington,
D.C.

I sold the car to a kid from PA. It was his graduation present. I was
thrilled to see that someone nice got the car. The car served me well and
was a lot of fun to drive.
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>I WANT leather seats!


I've always had leather seats. They rock big time.

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:31:27 -0500, "cybercat" >
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>"blake murphy" > wrote
>>
>> or maybe it's some kind of residual puritan idea that folks are being
>> punished by god, who seems to go in for that sort of thing.
>>

>
>Or maybe just "DESTROY THE DIFFERENT ONE! DIFFERENT BAD!
>UG!"
>
>Beat that for a dark view of human nature.
>
>(Also, mental illness is defined as "[blah blah blah ...] and they bother
>people.
>Until you bother people in some way, you can be as crazy as an outhouse rat
>and nobody will call you mentally ill.)
>


true. or if you're very, very good at something (chess, athletics,
art) you can still bug the shit out of people.

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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 11:11:07a, meant to say...

> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:46:37 -0500, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote
>>
>>> Michael <- likes Volvos but everyone in the neighborhood has one or

more
>>> of them
>>>

>>
>>The problem I see with Volvos is they turn you into a
>>crappy driver. Or is it a chicken/egg thing? Heh.
>>

> When I drove a Lancia, my kids wanted me to drive a Volvo. Those were
> the days of the commercial when they pushed on off a cliff. The kids
> tried to convince me to switch for the safety factor. They were still
> in elementary school and real conformists. All the other moms were
> driving Volvos and I didn't conform.
>


When have you ever (thankfully). :-)

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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 09:51:49a, cybercat meant to say...

>
> "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote
>> Well, I'm old but don't feel it. But I hear what you're saying. I'm

52...
>> does that count as old?

>
> You sound much younger! Anyway, I see that you get the context, you'd

just
> rather have a jeep.
>
>


Michael will never grow old or "grow up". That's part of his charm. :-)

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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 10:21:22a, Dee.Dee meant to say...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> Right.
>>> Since I have no further aspirations in the auto department, I think

I'll
>>> just get dressed and take a mile walk on my own trail and listen to the
>>> birds and look at the beautiful skies. I believe the Indians traversed
>>> here. I'll give thanks for their land which I have purchased.
>>>
>>> Toodle-doo.
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> $24 in beads?
>>
>> --
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>
>
>
> Sorry to say, wampum has spiraled due to devaluation of the dollar. I'd
> have to give it back, I think.
> Dee Dee
>
>


I wouldn't worry to much. I don't think they scalp people anymore. :-)

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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 10:54:26a, blake murphy meant to say...

> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:48:54 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>Oh pshaw, on Sat 24 Nov 2007 10:09:25a, blake murphy meant to say...
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:32:16 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Nov 2007 06:18:15p, meant to say...
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:38:36 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article >,
>>>>>> Serene > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abe wrote:
>>>>>>> >> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> She's one of those people, if she doesn't know what it is it
>>>>>>> >>> must be terrible. If anyone mentioned sourdough she'd freak.
>>>>>>> >>> WHATEVER.
>>>>>>> >> I'd advise to steer clear of mental cases like her. There's
>>>>>>> >> clearly something screwy in her upbringing that has affected
>>>>>>> >> this way. I don't think she sees that she has a choice in the
>>>>>>> >> matter. It's called a mental illness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would you blame a person's mental illness on her parents?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Personal experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Children learn from their parents. When one is insane, and the other
>>>>>>avoids the family, then the child learns from that parent. When the
>>>>>>primary role model is insane, the child has no choice but to learn
>>>>>>that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Personal experience. It hasn't been pretty.
>>>>>
>>>>> I learned a few years ago from a psychologist that a person can be
>>>>> driven insane. It's especially true for children because they don't
>>>>> have many (sane) life experiences to fall back on for a reality

check.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If I'm going to be driven there, make it at least in a mercedes.
>>>
>>> ...with a few stops at saloons along the way.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>>
>>>

>>
>>Make that a Mercedes limo with a bar. :-)

>
> oh-oh! an open container! hit the siren, charlie...
>
> your pal,
> blake


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Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 02:34:41a, Michael "Dog3" meant to say...

> "Dee.Dee" > dropped this news:fiaq62$1av$1
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>>
>> <sf> wrote in message ...
>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:57:47 GMT, blake murphy >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>or maybe it's some kind of residual puritan idea that folks are being
>>>>punished by god, who seems to go in for that sort of thing.
>>>
>>> We don't have to blame the Puritans. We have plenty of modern day
>>> bible thumpers who think that way.

>>
>>
>>
>> It would be interesting to view a survey of rfc'ers of their religious
>> beliefs. Dee Dee

>
> I'm agnostic at best.
>
> Michael
>


And, at worst?

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>>I WANT leather seats!

>
> I've always had leather seats. They rock big time.
>



Here's the way it went with me -- I got leather seats and proceeded to cover
them with the fluffy wool - IIRC they were "Napa Valley Wool seatcovers."
Lordy, my!

Actually it probably saved the leather, as DH was just too darned big to
ride in a small car. He has a way of destroying seats.
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:02:07 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
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><sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:36:35 -0500, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I WANT leather seats!

>>
>> I've always had leather seats. They rock big time.
>>

>
>Here's the way it went with me -- I got leather seats and proceeded to cover
>them with the fluffy wool - IIRC they were "Napa Valley Wool seatcovers."
>Lordy, my!
>
>Actually it probably saved the leather, as DH was just too darned big to
>ride in a small car. He has a way of destroying seats.


I've never resorted to seat covers. Hubby isn't a "big guy" by any
stretch of the imagination, so he's easy on seats too. In fact, he
babies our cars so much that sometimes I think we should take a tax
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