Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
> > Miche wrote:
>
> >> Eating is expected behaviour in a restaurant, too, and that's what a
> >> breastfed baby is doing -- eating.
> >
> > But not in a socially acceptable manner. Fed from a bottle is socially
> > acceptable for a baby, just as eating with a fork / knife / spoon (or
> > chopsticks) is socially acceptable for an adult.
> >
> > Pete C.
>


> Breastfeeding (in public) should be acceptable.

In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
nor is it in many other societies.

> That it isn't to you tells me that
> *you* have the problem, not others feeding their children.

Not me, this society, however many billion of us who consider breast
feeding in a restaurant unacceptable, to the perhaps 100k of you who
think it should be.

Feel free to open your own restaurant and post a big sign saying "breast
feeding encouraged here", otherwise feel free not to push your views on
those who do not consider them acceptable,

> If you'd had grown up seeing it in a matter of fact way, instead of
> placing unnatural shame on it, you too would see it as acceptable.
> How sad.

The fact that you are equating the unacceptability of breast feeding in
a restaurant with shame indicates it is your problem, not mine. I simply
indicated that I consider it low class and unacceptable behavior in a
restaurant, just as I consider eating with your hand instead of proper
utensils in a restaurant (rare ethnic restaurant exceptions and of
course sandwiches) low class and unacceptable.

Pete C.

Serene wrote:
>
> Goomba38 wrote:
> > Pete C. wrote:
> >> Miche wrote:
> >
> >>> Eating is expected behaviour in a restaurant, too, and that's what a
> >>> breastfed baby is doing -- eating.
> >>
> >> But not in a socially acceptable manner. Fed from a bottle is socially
> >> acceptable for a baby, just as eating with a fork / knife / spoon (or
> >> chopsticks) is socially acceptable for an adult.
> >>
> >> Pete C.
> >
> > Breastfeeding should be acceptable.
>
> It is acceptable to most people I know. It's been years since I
> heard Pete's arguments. I thought they had died out.
>
> Serene

Allowed does not equate with acceptable. If you choose to disrespect the
bulk of the other patrons in a good restaurant by breast feeding at the
table you may do so, however do act surprised when you are looked on
with distaste.

Pete C.

Pete C. wrote:

>> Breastfeeding (in public) should be acceptable.
>
> In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
> nor is it in many other societies.

I'm in the US. It IS acceptable here to a great many and for good
reason. It is natural and normal feeding that should be encouraged. Not
the "shame" you make it. And YOU are the one injecting it as
"unacceptable" hence shameful, not I.

On 2007-05-28, Pete C. > wrote:

> In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
> nor is it in many other societies.

You're fulla crap. It is illegal nowhere in the US. While it may be
legal to ask a mother to leave a public place like a restaurant, it's
also legal for that mother to tell 'em to drop dead.


> Not me, this society, however many billion of us who consider breast
> feeding in a restaurant unacceptable........

Speak for yourself. I personally love to see women's breasts, even if
they may have a carpet crawler partially obstructing the view.

nb

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> >> Breastfeeding (in public) should be acceptable.
> >
> > In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
> > nor is it in many other societies.
>
> I'm in the US.

Congratulations, so am I.

> It IS acceptable here to a great many and for good
> reason.

It is acceptable to a loud mouth minority who endlessly try to claim
they are more than they are.

> It is natural and normal feeding that should be encouraged.

In an appropriate environment, which does not include at a table in a
restaurant.

> Not
> the "shame" you make it.

You are the only one who has come up with this "shame" angle. I suggest
you get some counseling for your insecurities.

> And YOU are the one injecting it as
> "unacceptable" hence shameful, not I.

So in your world low class behavior equates to "shameful"? My you have
issues.

Pete C.

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2007-05-28, Pete C. > wrote:
>
> > In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
> > nor is it in many other societies.
>
> You're fulla crap. It is illegal nowhere in the US. While it may be
> legal to ask a mother to leave a public place like a restaurant, it's
> also legal for that mother to tell 'em to drop dead.

Legality does not equate to acceptability. You have the right to behave
in a low class manner considered unacceptable to most of the population
and certainly most of the patrons in the restaurant. You should not
however be surprised at the disapproving reaction should you choose to
disrespect the other restaurant patrons and push your minority views on
them.

>
> > Not me, this society, however many billion of us who consider breast
> > feeding in a restaurant unacceptable........
>
> Speak for yourself. I personally love to see women's breasts, even if
> they may have a carpet crawler partially obstructing the view.

I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.

Pete C.

Goomba38 wrote:
>

> >> Breastfeeding (in public) should be acceptable.
> >
> > In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
> > nor is it in many other societies.
>
> I'm in the US. It IS acceptable here to a great many and for good
> reason. It is natural and normal feeding that should be encouraged. Not
> the "shame" you make it. And YOU are the one injecting it as
> "unacceptable" hence shameful, not I.


I find breast feeding more acceptable than blowing one's nose. It's not to
bad if someone is just wiping a little sniffle, but a full blown nasal
draining nose blow is IMO disgusting.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
>
> I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
> settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.
>
> Pete C.

Yeah, who'd want to see feeding or eating at a table in a restaurant.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> y wrote:
>>
>> >But not in a socially acceptable manner. Fed from a bottle is socially
>> >acceptable for a baby, just as eating with a fork / knife / spoon (or
>> >chopsticks) is socially acceptable for an adult.
>>
>> Hate to break it to you, but breastfeeding, done discretely, =is=
>> socially acceptable to most normal folks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tracy R.
>
> "Discretely" does not equate with "at a table in a restaurant". Breast
> feeding in the privacy of one's home/car/etc. is acceptable, as it
> eating without proper utensils in the same settings.
>
> Pete C.

Quit staring and it won't bother you so much.


Ms P

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Goomba38 wrote:
> >
>
> > >> Breastfeeding (in public) should be acceptable.
> > >
> > > In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
> > > nor is it in many other societies.
> >
> > I'm in the US. It IS acceptable here to a great many and for good
> > reason. It is natural and normal feeding that should be encouraged. Not
> > the "shame" you make it. And YOU are the one injecting it as
> > "unacceptable" hence shameful, not I.
>
> I find breast feeding more acceptable than blowing one's nose. It's not to
> bad if someone is just wiping a little sniffle, but a full blown nasal
> draining nose blow is IMO disgusting.

I agree with you there, a big ol' bubbling goober blowing isn't
particularly appetizing. When necessary I try to do such things quietly
or in the rest room since I'm considerate to my fellow restaurant
patrons.

Pete C.

Pete C. wrote:

> I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
> settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.
>
> Pete C.

Oh geesh. I know I'm refined enough to pass muster (DAR, college
educated professional, "ladies who lunch" type stuff) and I think
breastfeeding is appropriate *wherever* babies are allowed!

If on the other hand you were to have said to me that "babies don't
belong in fine restaurants <no matter how they're fed>" I would have
agreed more with you.

"Pete C." wrote:
>
> Serene wrote:
> >
> > Goomba38 wrote:
> > > Pete C. wrote:
> > >> Miche wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Eating is expected behaviour in a restaurant, too, and that's what a
> > >>> breastfed baby is doing -- eating.
> > >>
> > >> But not in a socially acceptable manner. Fed from a bottle is socially
> > >> acceptable for a baby, just as eating with a fork / knife / spoon (or
> > >> chopsticks) is socially acceptable for an adult.
> > >>
> > >> Pete C.
> > >
> > > Breastfeeding should be acceptable.
> >
> > It is acceptable to most people I know. It's been years since I
> > heard Pete's arguments. I thought they had died out.
> >
> > Serene
>
> Allowed does not equate with acceptable.

By definition..... it does.

> If you choose to disrespect the
> bulk of the other patrons in a good restaurant by breast feeding at the
> table you may do so, however do act surprised when you are looked on
> with distaste.

Eating shellfish or pork in front of Jewish patrons might be seen by some
as disrespect since they don't eat that stuff, but like breast feeding,
it's their problem. Some people might be offended by someone eating beef
that is red raw. Again... their problem.

Goomba38 wrote:
>
>
> Oh geesh. I know I'm refined enough to pass muster (DAR, college
> educated professional, "ladies who lunch" type stuff) and I think
> breastfeeding is appropriate *wherever* babies are allowed!
>
> If on the other hand you were to have said to me that "babies don't
> belong in fine restaurants <no matter how they're fed>" I would have
> agreed more with you.


Exactly. If the baby is allowed into the place it is not too refines a
place to allow breast feeding.

On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:29:54 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:37:48 GMT, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Miche wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article >,
>> >> "Pete C." > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Pambo forced Dave Smith > to post this at:
>> >> > > rec.food.cooking:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > "Pete C." wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> Bingo again! I don't expect much at a low end restaurant, but I do
>> >> > > >> expect a quiet, peaceful experience at a higher end restaurant and
>> >> > > >> little hell spawn running around and/or screaming is simply not
>> >> > > >> welcome.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > That begs the question of which is worse.... the woman who breast
>> >> > > > feeds in a high end restaurant, or the one who interrupts breast
>> >> > > > feeding in the same restaurant to answer a cell phone call ?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >:-)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > My vote is the one with the frigging cell phone
>> >> >
>> >> > I vote for the breast feeding. People having a conversation is expected
>> >> > behavior in a high end restaurant. As long as the cell phone is on
>> >> > vibrate, not some obnoxious "ring tone" and the user keeps their volume
>> >> > to normal levels it is no different than a conversation with the person
>> >> > next to them.
>> >>
>> >> Eating is expected behaviour in a restaurant, too, and that's what a
>> >> breastfed baby is doing -- eating.
>> >
>> >But not in a socially acceptable manner. Fed from a bottle is socially
>> >acceptable for a baby, just as eating with a fork / knife / spoon (or
>> >chopsticks) is socially acceptable for an adult.
>>
>> Hate to break it to you, but breastfeeding, done discretely, =is=
>> socially acceptable to most normal folks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tracy R.
>
>"Discretely" does not equate with "at a table in a restaurant". Breast
>feeding in the privacy of one's home/car/etc. is acceptable, as it
>eating without proper utensils in the same settings.

Nonsense. Discretely means covering up as best as one can and not just
flopping a breast out for all to see. It's entirely ok for a woman to
breastfeed at a restaurant. It's certainly far better than the
suggestion she should retire to the restroom to feed an infant. If the
sight of a breast unhinges you so much, perhap you should simply avert
your eyes. I suspect you are older. My grandmother felt much the same,
but the world is a-changing. Most people, at least those under a
certain age, don't have quite the same view of it.

Regards,
Tracy R.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> Serene wrote:
>>
>> It is acceptable to most people I know. It's been years since I
>> heard Pete's arguments. I thought they had died out.
>>
>> Serene
>
> Allowed does not equate with acceptable. If you choose to disrespect the
> bulk of the other patrons in a good restaurant by breast feeding at the
> table you may do so, however do act surprised when you are looked on
> with distaste.
>
> Pete C.

You mean stared at by some creep?


Ms P

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
> > settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> Oh geesh. I know I'm refined enough to pass muster (DAR, college
> educated professional, "ladies who lunch" type stuff) and I think
> breastfeeding is appropriate *wherever* babies are allowed!
>
> If on the other hand you were to have said to me that "babies don't
> belong in fine restaurants <no matter how they're fed>" I would have
> agreed more with you.

I won't make blanket statements like "babies don't belong in fine
restaurants" since I've see a few that actually were very quiet and well
behaved, unfortunately they are the minority.

Pete C.

Don Salad wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote:
> > Goomba38 wrote:
> > >
> > > Pete C. wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Breastfeeding (in public) should be acceptable.
> > > >
> > > > In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
> > > > nor is it in many other societies.
> snip
> > So in your world low class behavior equates to "shameful"? My you have
> > issues.
>
> "Low class?"
> What a snob you are!
> You must think "upper class" and "middle class" babies are bottle-fed!
>
> Thanks,
> Don

No, as I've clearly indicated, people with class find private locations
for breast feeding, not a table in the middle of a decent restaurant.

Pete C.

Ms P wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Serene wrote:
> >>
> >> It is acceptable to most people I know. It's been years since I
> >> heard Pete's arguments. I thought they had died out.
> >>
> >> Serene
> >
> > Allowed does not equate with acceptable. If you choose to disrespect the
> > bulk of the other patrons in a good restaurant by breast feeding at the
> > table you may do so, however do act surprised when you are looked on
> > with distaste.
> >
> > Pete C.
>
> You mean stared at by some creep?
>
> Ms P

Indeed. If you feel you have the right to detract from my dining
experience with your inappropriate behavior than I have every right to
show my disapproval.

Pete C.

y wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:29:54 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:37:48 GMT, "Pete C." >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Miche wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In article >,
> >> >> "Pete C." > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Pambo forced Dave Smith > to post this at:
> >> >> > > rec.food.cooking:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > "Pete C." wrote:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> Bingo again! I don't expect much at a low end restaurant, but I do
> >> >> > > >> expect a quiet, peaceful experience at a higher end restaurant and
> >> >> > > >> little hell spawn running around and/or screaming is simply not
> >> >> > > >> welcome.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > That begs the question of which is worse.... the woman who breast
> >> >> > > > feeds in a high end restaurant, or the one who interrupts breast
> >> >> > > > feeding in the same restaurant to answer a cell phone call ?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >:-)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > My vote is the one with the frigging cell phone
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I vote for the breast feeding. People having a conversation is expected
> >> >> > behavior in a high end restaurant. As long as the cell phone is on
> >> >> > vibrate, not some obnoxious "ring tone" and the user keeps their volume
> >> >> > to normal levels it is no different than a conversation with the person
> >> >> > next to them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Eating is expected behaviour in a restaurant, too, and that's what a
> >> >> breastfed baby is doing -- eating.
> >> >
> >> >But not in a socially acceptable manner. Fed from a bottle is socially
> >> >acceptable for a baby, just as eating with a fork / knife / spoon (or
> >> >chopsticks) is socially acceptable for an adult.
> >>
> >> Hate to break it to you, but breastfeeding, done discretely, =is=
> >> socially acceptable to most normal folks.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Tracy R.
> >
> >"Discretely" does not equate with "at a table in a restaurant". Breast
> >feeding in the privacy of one's home/car/etc. is acceptable, as it
> >eating without proper utensils in the same settings.
>
> Nonsense. Discretely means covering up as best as one can and not just
> flopping a breast out for all to see. It's entirely ok for a woman to
> breastfeed at a restaurant. It's certainly far better than the
> suggestion she should retire to the restroom to feed an infant. If the
> sight of a breast unhinges you so much, perhap you should simply avert
> your eyes. I suspect you are older. My grandmother felt much the same,
> but the world is a-changing. Most people, at least those under a
> certain age, don't have quite the same view of it.
>
> Regards,
> Tracy R.

I never indicated that the restroom would be an appropriate place. I'm
also not sure if 37 qualifies as older. A restroom might be appropriate
if it's one with a sitting room of sorts separated from the traditional
restroom area. I suggested that breast feeding in your car before
entering the restaurant would be more appropriate, it would also help
insure the baby remained quiet while in the restaurant further
respecting your fellow patrons right to an undisrupted dining
experience.

Pete C.

"Pete C." wrote:
>
> I won't make blanket statements like "babies don't belong in fine
> restaurants"

I will.
But if the place allows them in, then they are entitled to be fed. The
alternative is to have a screaming baby. Some people may find baby gooing,
babbling and whining to be cute and entertaining. It has it's place, but
not in *fine* dining establishments.


> since I've see a few that actually were very quiet and well
> behaved, unfortunately they are the minority.

A very small minority. You can't blame the baby who is uncomfortable and
cries, but you can blame the parents who take it there where it annoys
other paying customers.... and paying a lot it is is a fine dining
establishment.

"Pete C." wrote:
>
>
> No, as I've clearly indicated, people with class find private locations
> for breast feeding, not a table in the middle of a decent restaurant.


People with class do not take infants into good restaurants. They get a
sitter or go to family restaurants.

Pete C. > wrote:

>Indeed. If you feel you have the right to detract from my dining
>experience with your inappropriate behavior than I have every right to
>show my disapproval.

Staring down cellphone users is acceptable (if fruitless).
Staring down breastfeeders isn't.

Just my opinion.

Steve

On Mon, 28 May 2007 23:58:46 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>Ms P wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Serene wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It is acceptable to most people I know. It's been years since I
>> >> heard Pete's arguments. I thought they had died out.
>> >>
>> >> Serene
>> >
>> > Allowed does not equate with acceptable. If you choose to disrespect the
>> > bulk of the other patrons in a good restaurant by breast feeding at the
>> > table you may do so, however do act surprised when you are looked on
>> > with distaste.
>> >
>> > Pete C.
>>
>> You mean stared at by some creep?
>>
>> Ms P
>
>Indeed. If you feel you have the right to detract from my dining
>experience with your inappropriate behavior than I have every right to
>show my disapproval.

One of those folks who refuses to change the channel when something
that "offends" them comes on, huh? Well, there's no arguing with or
explaining someone of your ilk. /shrug

Regards,
Tracy R.

No cluons were harmed when Pete C. wrote:
>No, as I've clearly indicated, people with class find private locations
>for breast feeding, not a table in the middle of a decent restaurant.

Well duh! Babies don't eat tables. That's just silly.


Mark Edwards
--
Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request

Dave Smith wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
>>
>> Oh geesh. I know I'm refined enough to pass muster (DAR, college
>> educated professional, "ladies who lunch" type stuff) and I think
>> breastfeeding is appropriate *wherever* babies are allowed!
>>
>> If on the other hand you were to have said to me that "babies don't
>> belong in fine restaurants <no matter how they're fed>" I would have
>> agreed more with you.
>
>
> Exactly. If the baby is allowed into the place it is not too refines a
> place to allow breast feeding.

Correct, both in etiquette terms and in terms of the law.

Serene

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>>
>> On 2007-05-28, Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>> > In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is
>> > not,
>> > nor is it in many other societies.
>>
>> You're fulla crap. It is illegal nowhere in the US. While it may be
>> legal to ask a mother to leave a public place like a restaurant, it's
>> also legal for that mother to tell 'em to drop dead.
>
> Legality does not equate to acceptability. You have the right to behave
> in a low class manner considered unacceptable to most of the population
> and certainly most of the patrons in the restaurant. You should not
> however be surprised at the disapproving reaction should you choose to
> disrespect the other restaurant patrons and push your minority views on
> them.

News flash: YOU'RE in the minority, with your backward views.

>
> I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
> settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.

So, why exactly do you have a problem with nursing in a restaurant?? I'm
really very curious, as I haven't met many people who share the same
viewpoint. I suspect that even if a woman were completely covered while
feeding her baby, you'd still have a problem with just the THOUGHT of what
was happening in your presence. Sheesh. Makes me wonder what your upbringing
was like.

Mary

Pete C. wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>>> Breastfeeding (in public) should be acceptable.
>>> In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
>>> nor is it in many other societies.
>> I'm in the US.

>
> So in your world low class behavior equates to "shameful"? My you have
> issues.
>
> Pete C.

In my experience, people who use the term low class are exactly that by
their own terms.

--
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Giusi wrote:

> Pete C. wrote:
>
>> Goomba38 wrote:
>>
>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Breastfeeding (in public) should be acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is
>>>> not,
>>>> nor is it in many other societies.
>>>
>>> I'm in the US.
>
>
>>
>> So in your world low class behavior equates to "shameful"? My you have
>> issues.
>>
>> Pete C.
>
>
> In my experience, people who use the term low class are exactly that by
> their own terms.
>

*chuckle* people of class talk about things not other people.


http://www.lightnen.net/top20/music/...y%20People.wma

On 2007-05-29, Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:

> *chuckle* people of class talk about things not other people.

Sounds like you need to define, "class".

nb

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> The fact that you are equating the unacceptability of breast feeding in
> a restaurant with shame indicates it is your problem, not mine. I simply
> indicated that I consider it low class and unacceptable behavior in a
> restaurant, just as I consider eating with your hand instead of proper
> utensils in a restaurant (rare ethnic restaurant exceptions and of
> course sandwiches) low class and unacceptable.

I thought US was meant to be a classless society?

"MareCat" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
>> notbob wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2007-05-28, Pete C. > wrote:
>>>
>>> > In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is
>>> > not,
>>> > nor is it in many other societies.
>>>
>>> You're fulla crap. It is illegal nowhere in the US. While it may be
>>> legal to ask a mother to leave a public place like a restaurant, it's
>>> also legal for that mother to tell 'em to drop dead.
>>
>> Legality does not equate to acceptability. You have the right to behave
>> in a low class manner considered unacceptable to most of the population
>> and certainly most of the patrons in the restaurant. You should not
>> however be surprised at the disapproving reaction should you choose to
>> disrespect the other restaurant patrons and push your minority views on
>> them.
>
> News flash: YOU'RE in the minority, with your backward views.
>
> >
>> I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
>> settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.
>
> So, why exactly do you have a problem with nursing in a restaurant?? I'm
> really very curious, as I haven't met many people who share the same
> viewpoint. I suspect that even if a woman were completely covered while
> feeding her baby, you'd still have a problem with just the THOUGHT of what
> was happening in your presence. Sheesh. Makes me wonder what your
> upbringing was like.

.... and his obsession with class!

"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan wrote;


> LOL... This reminds me of a trip to Chicago I took with 5 other childhood
> friends. It was summer break our freshman year in college. The 6 of us
> were bored and made a reservation at Maxim's in Chicago. At that time I
> think it may have just opened and my friend ReJeanne had her father pull
> strings to get us a reservation. Anyway we were all being so adult until
> we drank our lunch ;( We all got way dressed up and hired a limo to take
> us to the restaurant. We got to the restaurant and were immediately told
> ladies would not be permitted to enter with trousers. ReJeanne had worn
> (she looked smashing BTW) a man's tux, stiletto heels and black top hat. I
> don't know if it was the liquid lunch or what, but ReJeanne quietly said
> "No problem" and immediately took her "trousers" off. It caused quite a
> ruckus and we were unceremoniously shown the door. We wound up partying on
> Rush street all night and I can't recall what, if anything, we wound up
> eating for dinner. The 4 days we were in Chicago are a tad bit blurry.



Good story...where else did ya go...???

This would be what, around 1974 or so? At that time Chicawgo was
still a pretty conservative place. It was only four years earlier
that the famous Berghoff Restaurant (now gone) was finally pressured
into admitting women into it's bar area. Before this, women were
banned. It was a popular place for a quick lunch, you ate standing up
at the bar and had a sandwich or whatever...

At that time Maxim's was just about the swankiest joint in
town...along with the Pump Room in the Ambassador East Hotel.

Times have changed. Several years ago a dear friend of mine (Linda, a
judge) had a cousin visit her here. The cousin is the actress Lois
Nettleton (some may remember her from her TV work, she made a few
films in the day, too, and at 78 she is still hale and hearty and
doing well; her most recent work was this past Christmas on a Hallmark
TV movie, she and Ed Asner played the grandparents of a GI who had
been killed in Iraq. She lives in NYC and leases a rent - controlled
apartment that was "legacied" to her by actor Burgess Meredith...AND
she dated Frank Sinatra for several years back in the early 60's! She
is very classy and NEVER says anything bad about anyone, she told me ,
"Frank was a lovely person, and very good to me...".)...

ANYways, Lois' picture from 1962 or so is on the wall of the Pump
Room, back in the day every celebrity who ate there (often between
changing trains when traveling NYC - LA) left an autographed pic to
put up on the wall. So Cousin Linda treated Cousin Lois to lunch there
for old time's sake. The staff took pix of them together standing by
Lois' pic and I noticed Linda had on her usual summer outfit of cargo
shorts, polo shirt, and tennies...Lois natcherly was all dolled up (in
a stylish hat - and PANT SUIT), she still spends hours putting on her
"face" every day. Linda had called beforehand and asked about a dress
code, the Pump Room replied that for a weekday lunch they really
didn't have any...

I guess Sinatra and Charles Boyer and Joan Crawford and Cary Grant and
others who frequented the place in the day (the exterior of the hotel
is actually featured in _North By Northwest_) must be turning over in
their graves...oh well.

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notbob wrote:
> On 2007-05-28, Pete C. > wrote:
>
> > In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is not,
> > nor is it in many other societies.
>
> You're fulla crap. It is illegal nowhere in the US. While it may be
> legal to ask a mother to leave a public place like a restaurant, it's
> also legal for that mother to tell 'em to drop dead.

It all depends on nudity. If the woman violates nudity laws she can
be arrested. She has the right to brestfeed but she does not have the
right to be obscene.

>
> > Not me, this society, however many billion of us who consider breast
> > feeding in a restaurant unacceptable........
>
> Speak for yourself. I personally love to see women's breasts, even if
> they may have a carpet crawler partially obstructing the view.

Which is precisely why women should have the brains to do it in a
discreet area where no one else can see.

-L.

wrote:

> On May 27, 10:58 pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ophelia wrote:
> > > jmcquown wrote:
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> On May 26, 3:09 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
> > >>>> There are ways to do it discreetly and there are also restrooms
> > >>>> with chairs and benches. Or they could just use a breast-pump and
> > >>>> bring a bottle for the kid.
>
> > >>>> Jill
>
> > >>> Are you stupid or just ignorant?
> > >>> First of all, would you want to eat in the same room where there are
> > >>> people peeing and/or crapping?
>
> > >>> You mentioned you had a cat. Even a cat is smart enough to refuse to
> > >>> eat when the food dish is too close to the litter box. Ever hear the
> > >>> expression "don't shit where you eat"? Why should someone have to
> > >>> use a public bathroom to feed their child? Now THAT is disgusting.
>
> > >>> Most women do not flop their tits out in front of the world and feed
> > >>> their babies. They use a blanket, or something similar, and they
> > >>> are discreet. No one wants their tits showing in public (unless
> > >>> they are getting paid to show them).
>
> > >> YET ANOTHER REASON TO REINSTITUTE THE BLOCK ON GMAIL POSTERS. The
> > >> Assholes let you out of school, didn't they? You've probably got 3
> > >> kids and don't know who the baby's daddies are. And are dating some
> > >> guy with 3 more. IDIOT.
>
> > > Why in the world would you say that. What that poster was saying was
> > > more than feasible.
>
> > Absolutely not feasible or warranted.
>
> > > Do I take you have no children or at least have never breast fed??
>
> > I have no children; I chose not to have them. Just because I have the
> > equipment doesn't mean I automatically have to give birth.
>
> First smart thing you ever did.
>
>
>
> > > Your response does seem dreadfully over the top
>
> > No, HER response was over the top. What does my having a cat have to do
> > with breast feeding children in a restaurant lobby?
>
> To demonstrate that your cat possesses something which you lack. The
> sense not to eat near shit and ****.
>
> > Reinstituted my killfile of the gmail domain. It's obvious school has let out for
> > summer and someone's mommy isn't paying attention to what their kids are
> > doing with their computer.
>
> Someone who's not using gmail better let Jill know it's time to check
> in to the psych ward and get her meds adjusted. They Hysteria is back.



Hmmm..."CartGirl" = "Sheryl Rosen"...???

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Ophelia wrote:
> "MareCat" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message

>>
>>> I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
>>> settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.
>> So, why exactly do you have a problem with nursing in a restaurant?? I'm
>> really very curious, as I haven't met many people who share the same
>> viewpoint. I suspect that even if a woman were completely covered while
>> feeding her baby, you'd still have a problem with just the THOUGHT of what
>> was happening in your presence. Sheesh. Makes me wonder what your
>> upbringing was like.
>
> ... and his obsession with class!
>
Yes, didn't you know that if you pay $200 and up for a meal it makes you
high class in the US? It means also that you can tell people to go eat
in the toilet.

Donald Trump really has the lock on this kind of class. He has so much
money he can make anyone eat in a toilet. Classy, huh?

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Dave Smith wrote:


I once saw an interview with some guy who had trouble with women
> because he was so hung up on body functions that he couldn't get past the
> idea that while he was talking to a woman her body was forming stools.
>



Lol...and here I thought us *** guys were kinda wierd because we were
freaked out by the thought of a woman having a *vagina*...

<chuckle/>


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"Giusi" > wrote in message
.. .
> Ophelia wrote:
>> "MareCat" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>
>>>
>>>> I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
>>>> settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.
>>> So, why exactly do you have a problem with nursing in a restaurant?? I'm
>>> really very curious, as I haven't met many people who share the same
>>> viewpoint. I suspect that even if a woman were completely covered while
>>> feeding her baby, you'd still have a problem with just the THOUGHT of
>>> what was happening in your presence. Sheesh. Makes me wonder what your
>>> upbringing was like.
>>
>> ... and his obsession with class!
> Yes, didn't you know that if you pay $200 and up for a meal it makes you
> high class in the US? It means also that you can tell people to go eat in
> the toilet.
>
> Donald Trump really has the lock on this kind of class. He has so much
> money he can make anyone eat in a toilet. Classy, huh?

Hmm! For me, class comes from kindness and tolerance. I don't care how
much they spend on dinner.

MareCat wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > notbob wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2007-05-28, Pete C. > wrote:
> >>
> >> > In your perfect world perhaps. It is not in this (US) society it is
> >> > not,
> >> > nor is it in many other societies.
> >>
> >> You're fulla crap. It is illegal nowhere in the US. While it may be
> >> legal to ask a mother to leave a public place like a restaurant, it's
> >> also legal for that mother to tell 'em to drop dead.
> >
> > Legality does not equate to acceptability. You have the right to behave
> > in a low class manner considered unacceptable to most of the population
> > and certainly most of the patrons in the restaurant. You should not
> > however be surprised at the disapproving reaction should you choose to
> > disrespect the other restaurant patrons and push your minority views on
> > them.
>
> News flash: YOU'RE in the minority, with your backward views.

You wish. Find me one valid poll that shows anything remotely close to
what you claim.

>
> >
> > I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
> > settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.
>
> So, why exactly do you have a problem with nursing in a restaurant??

It's not an appropriate place, plain and simple, it's low class
behavior.

> I'm
> really very curious, as I haven't met many people who share the same
> viewpoint.

You go around asking people this???

> I suspect that even if a woman were completely covered while
> feeding her baby, you'd still have a problem with just the THOUGHT of what
> was happening in your presence.

Sure, stuff your hell spawn up under your burka to feed it...

> Sheesh. Makes me wonder what your upbringing
> was like.

Better than your apparent trailer trash upbringing.

Pete C.

Giusi wrote:
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> > "MareCat" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>
> >>
> >>> I'm civilized and refined enough to prefer things in appropriate
> >>> settings, and a restaurant is not an appropriate setting.
> >> So, why exactly do you have a problem with nursing in a restaurant?? I'm
> >> really very curious, as I haven't met many people who share the same
> >> viewpoint. I suspect that even if a woman were completely covered while
> >> feeding her baby, you'd still have a problem with just the THOUGHT of what
> >> was happening in your presence. Sheesh. Makes me wonder what your
> >> upbringing was like.
> >
> > ... and his obsession with class!
> >
> Yes, didn't you know that if you pay $200 and up for a meal it makes you
> high class in the US?

Um, no, breast feeding at the table would still be low class behavior in
a Denny's.

> It means also that you can tell people to go eat
> in the toilet.

I never once suggested that. I suggested in your car before entering the
restaurant would be far more appropriate and would also help insure that
you didn't disrupt the other patrons dining with a baby crying either.

>
> Donald Trump really has the lock on this kind of class. He has so much
> money he can make anyone eat in a toilet. Classy, huh?

Trump wouldn't know class if it kicked him in the head. Money does not
equate to class, and yes Virginia, billionaires can still be trailer
trash just as classy people cal live in trailers.

Pete C.

Pete C. wrote:

> Better than your apparent trailer trash upbringing.
>
> Pete C.

Now there's a classy post.

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