Julia Altshuler wrote:

> Default User wrote:
>
> > That's not what those are for, they are disinfecting wipes to get
> > rid of germs on the handles. There was a study that came out about
> > how much bacteria and such other people leave on the cart handles.
>
>
> Is that really the sort of bacteria that causes illness or that isn't
> washed away with regular handwashing with regular soap?

I didn't see the report, only heard about it on the news and the
subsequent installation of disinfecting wipes at many grocery stores.

I personally don't worry about. Paper money is probably more dangerous.



Brian
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won't shut up.
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Puester > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:
> > "Stan Horwitz" > wrote
> >
> >> Actually, it isn't a laughing matter. My sister had a similar thing
> >> happen to her a few years ago. She left her purse on the shopping cart.
> >> The cart was moved and her purse was gone. All her money, license, car
> >> keys, house keys, and checks for her business, all gone in an instant.
> >
> > Then her purse was stolen. You can't tell me someone checked out and
> > didn't notice a purse. That's a different matter. She should have told
> > store personnel who could have made sure her purse did not leave the
building.
> >
> > nancy
> >
> >
>
> Have you noticed that with the advent of self-checkout, there's hardly
> any store personnel left? Sadly, I doubt that, even given a 30 minute
> head start, most stores could gather enough employees to catch a thief.
>
> gloria p



The sad thing is, if you shop at a Super W***mart, you can walk out with
anything, including someone's purse and even if you could find a clerk, they
couldn't do anything about it. Company policy is that only an assistant
manager or above can stop someone from shoplifting/pilfering/stealing from
other customers.....THEN the person who witnessed the theft must witness
said perp leaving the building with it. Theory is, if you accuse them of
doing something, said perp won't shop there ever again....PUHLEEZ. Very few
retailers even bother anymore and most of the cameras are trained to see if
the employees are stealing/slacking as most camera pods are dummies with
only a few actual ones in operation.
-ginny
-ginny

On 22 Sep 2006 13:12:45 -0700, "projectile vomit chick"
> wrote:

>When my sister and I were about ten years old we would accompany our
>mom to do the grocery shopping. We enjoyed picking up expensive items
>and tossing them into someone's cart when they weren't looking.

Get over here, pronto, young lady, and clean the orange sherbet off of
my monitor.

jmcquown wrote:
> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> I had some older man accost me once in a grocery store because I had
> >> my purse in the kiddy-seat of the cart. He grabbed my cart and ran
> >> off with it, then came back and lectured me, "You see how easy
> >> someone could take your purse, young lady?"
> >
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> >
> > I see this ALL the time. A purse in the kiddie-seat and the woman is
> > at the other end of the aisle, a good 20-30 feet away all engrossed in
> > finding her item and not paying attention to her purse/cart in the
> > least. I wonder how many women have had missing items/money from
> > their purses after a trip to the store and don't connect leaving their
> > property unguarded with missing money/items?
>
> But you snipped my point. I don't keep my money in my purse when I'm
> shopping and by the way, is it someone elses business if I set my purse in
> the cart? And I NEVER walk 20-30 feet away from my cart. That would be
> silly, don't you think? What's the cart for if not to push towards the
> items you want to buy and contain the items you already have selected?

I just keep mine on my shoulder. Doesn't matter if the money and
checkbook aren't in it, most of us keep things that are important
(medication, address books, comb, brush, lipstick, Mace) in it, and
dont' want to try and have it replaced. When my mother's bag was
stolen, the thing she was most upset about was the address book she had
had since before she was married!

> What I can't stand are the huge "toy" carts that are designed to look like
> fire engines or school busses or whatever. Big plastic monstrosities that
> take up half an aisle and are designed more for ferrying kids around than
> for shopping. Hey folks, the grocery store is *not* a McDonald's
> playground! The rest of us would like to be able to manueuver in the
> grocery store, thanks very much.

Gotta disagree with you, Jill. Those carts keep small, untamed
children from tearing around the store unattended, causing their
adult-in-charge to leave the cart with it's contents and probably their
handbag in it while the AIC chases after the rugrats. I've been in
aisles where it was easy enough to get by the kiddy-carts, but you
couldn't maneuver around the idiots of all ages and sexes who leave
their carts in the middle of the aisles while they peruse the
rice-a-roni.

I realize you're not a breeder, but understand that those monstrosities
which are a real pain to push around, are doing you a favor. They're
keeping the kids from getting underfoot.
;-)
maxine in ri

Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Default User wrote:
>
> > That's not what those are for, they are disinfecting wipes to get rid
> > of germs on the handles. There was a study that came out about how much
> > bacteria and such other people leave on the cart handles.
>
>
> Is that really the sort of bacteria that causes illness or that isn't
> washed away with regular handwashing with regular soap? I'm trying to
> get a handle on how dangerous the cart really handles are that they need
> special disinfecting wipes. I can understand that people with
> compromised immune systems (the sick, the elderly, those undergoing
> chemotherapy for cancer) are sometimes recommended to be extra careful,
> but in those cases, they bring their own wipes. For everyone else,
> there's usually a scare about all the nasties found somewhere (on hotel
> room bedspreads, on computer keypads, on the bottoms of women's pocket
> books), but the nasties don't actually make people sick. They're grody
> and make me feel icky, but there isn't actually anything there that
> makes people ill. Meanwhile, the anti-bacterial everything only helps
> the bacteria to become resistant. The best advice that I can see is
> still just to wash your hands frequently with ordinary soap and water.
>
>
> --Lia

There are germs on your money, and according to studies, not everyone
washes their hands after using the facilities. The wipes were
originally for parents to wipe down what their infant in the carriage
seat might try to gnaw on, but of course what's good for baby must be
good for the rest of us, eh?

If you keep your hands away from your face until you get a chance to
wash them, there's no reason to wipe down the cart handle.

maxine in ri

jmcquown wrote:

> I saw something on the news recently about some grocery stores offering
> cleaning cloths (I would guess like Clorox pop-up wipes) for customers to
> clean the seats and handles of the shopping carts. My (rhetorical) question
> is, why is it the customers responsibility to clean the carts? Stuff breaks
> (as the egg thread proves). An employee of the store should be hosing down
> those carts as part of their job every day, with a sudsy pressure-washer
> type thing. Just my two cents.
>

After each use?

The wipes were for germs, which can occur with every shopper. Not for
spills and messes. Those are cleaned up as they occur.

As for high pressure sprayers. It takes a full shift to clean all of
them. A company comes and does that every 3 months. THey have a special
truck like a portable car wash, and tha carts are taken through those.

Prices would have to go up to pay for that kind of daily cleaning. And
there would need to be a lot of complaints, lost business, etc to get
anybody to even consider something that extreme.

We had our trolley taken once in CostCo -- we found the things we'd put on
it on stop of a stack of other stuff.

Doug
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> jmcquown wrote:
>
> > I saw something on the news recently about some grocery stores offering
> > cleaning cloths (I would guess like Clorox pop-up wipes) for customers to
> > clean the seats and handles of the shopping carts. My (rhetorical) question
> > is, why is it the customers responsibility to clean the carts? Stuff breaks
> > (as the egg thread proves). An employee of the store should be hosing down
> > those carts as part of their job every day, with a sudsy pressure-washer
> > type thing. Just my two cents.
> >
>

I think the cleaning cloths are not a bad idea. I've seen toddlers and
even younger in those grocery carts in the kiddie seats mouthing the
handle portion of the cart. I suppose they were teething and just
think of the filthy hands that have pushed that cart around in one days
time. YUCK.

> jmcquown wrote:
>
> > I saw something on the news recently about some grocery stores offering
> > cleaning cloths (I would guess like Clorox pop-up wipes) for customers to
> > clean the seats and handles of the shopping carts. My (rhetorical) question
> > is, why is it the customers responsibility to clean the carts? Stuff breaks
> > (as the egg thread proves). An employee of the store should be hosing down
> > those carts as part of their job every day, with a sudsy pressure-washer
> > type thing. Just my two cents.
> >
>

I think the cleaning cloths are not a bad idea. I've seen toddlers and
even younger in those grocery carts in the kiddie seats mouthing the
handle portion of the cart. I suppose they were teething and just
think of the filthy hands that have pushed that cart around in one days
time. YUCK.

In article .com>,
" > wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>
> > I saw something on the news recently about some grocery stores offering
> > cleaning cloths (I would guess like Clorox pop-up wipes) for customers to
> > clean the seats and handles of the shopping carts. My (rhetorical) question
> > is, why is it the customers responsibility to clean the carts? Stuff breaks
> > (as the egg thread proves). An employee of the store should be hosing down
> > those carts as part of their job every day, with a sudsy pressure-washer
> > type thing. Just my two cents.
> >
>
> After each use?
>
> The wipes were for germs, which can occur with every shopper. Not for
> spills and messes. Those are cleaned up as they occur.
>
> As for high pressure sprayers. It takes a full shift to clean all of
> them. A company comes and does that every 3 months. THey have a special
> truck like a portable car wash, and tha carts are taken through those.
>
> Prices would have to go up to pay for that kind of daily cleaning. And
> there would need to be a lot of complaints, lost business, etc to get
> anybody to even consider something that extreme.

I just wash my hands when I get home from the store, habitually.

One could keep some disinfectant hand wipes in the car, and wipe the
cart handle down with one if concerned.

It's actually not a bad idea. <G>
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote

> One could keep some disinfectant hand wipes in the car, and wipe the
> cart handle down with one if concerned.

I think it's nice they keep them by the door, for people who put
babies in the cart. I am one to put stuff in that child area, maybe
even meat. I never see people use them, but they're open, so I
guess someone is.

I remember reading somewhere, someone was grossed out by the
sight of some store employee using the cart to wheel cleaning supplies
into and out of the bathroom. Yuck. They made it sound as if the
cart went right back into service. Wouldn't surprise me.

nancy

Oh pshaw, on Sat 23 Sep 2006 06:58:11a, OmManiPadmeOmelet meant to say...

> In article .com>,
> " > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> > I saw something on the news recently about some grocery stores
>> > offering cleaning cloths (I would guess like Clorox pop-up wipes) for
>> > customers to clean the seats and handles of the shopping carts. My
>> > (rhetorical) question is, why is it the customers responsibility to
>> > clean the carts? Stuff breaks (as the egg thread proves). An
>> > employee of the store should be hosing down those carts as part of
>> > their job every day, with a sudsy pressure-washer type thing. Just
>> > my two cents.
>> >
>>
>> After each use?
>>
>> The wipes were for germs, which can occur with every shopper. Not for
>> spills and messes. Those are cleaned up as they occur.
>>
>> As for high pressure sprayers. It takes a full shift to clean all of
>> them. A company comes and does that every 3 months. THey have a special
>> truck like a portable car wash, and tha carts are taken through those.
>>
>> Prices would have to go up to pay for that kind of daily cleaning. And
>> there would need to be a lot of complaints, lost business, etc to get
>> anybody to even consider something that extreme.
>
> I just wash my hands when I get home from the store, habitually.
>
> One could keep some disinfectant hand wipes in the car, and wipe the
> cart handle down with one if concerned.
>
> It's actually not a bad idea. <G>

All the supermarkets I frequent have disinfectant hand wipe dispensers near
the cart pickup area. I always wipe down the cart pushbar.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Useless Invention: Double-sided playing cards.

maxine in ri > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> > itsjoannotjoann wrote:
> > > jmcquown wrote:
> > >
snip
> > What I can't stand are the huge "toy" carts that are designed to look
like
> > fire engines or school busses or whatever. Big plastic monstrosities
that
> > take up half an aisle and are designed more for ferrying kids around
than
> > for shopping. Hey folks, the grocery store is *not* a McDonald's
> > playground! The rest of us would like to be able to manueuver in the
> > grocery store, thanks very much.
>
> Gotta disagree with you, Jill. Those carts keep small, untamed
> children from tearing around the store unattended, causing their
> adult-in-charge to leave the cart with it's contents and probably their
> handbag in it while the AIC chases after the rugrats. I've been in
> aisles where it was easy enough to get by the kiddy-carts, but you
> couldn't maneuver around the idiots of all ages and sexes who leave
> their carts in the middle of the aisles while they peruse the
> rice-a-roni.
>
> I realize you're not a breeder, but understand that those monstrosities
> which are a real pain to push around, are doing you a favor. They're
> keeping the kids from getting underfoot.
> ;-)
> maxine in ri
>

I'm torn on this issue. Whereas they DO keep unruly trolls in some
semblance of control, I see too many teens and faux adults stuffing
themselves into one of these and running rampant through the store. It
happens with the regular carts as well, but they somehow aren't as
'tempting'. Or, the trolls are in the cart and the mom/dad in charge lets
another troll push the younger......you can hear the arguments three aisles
away.
-ginny

In article 9>,
Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> > I just wash my hands when I get home from the store, habitually.
> >
> > One could keep some disinfectant hand wipes in the car, and wipe the
> > cart handle down with one if concerned.
> >
> > It's actually not a bad idea. <G>
>
> All the supermarkets I frequent have disinfectant hand wipe dispensers near
> the cart pickup area. I always wipe down the cart pushbar.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

I've yet to run into a single store in my area that does this.... or
maybe I've just not seen them?
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

Nancy Young said...

> I had to laugh, as I was shopping just now, I came upon
> a woman muttering about her cart. I hear 'this isn't my stuff,
> this isn't my cart! I just put my cart right here! and someone
> took it! Oh man, glad it wasn't me. We were just talking about
> that.
>
> On the way out, I was paid back for laughing. I put my cart
> by the rest by the store, it kept rolling no matter how I angled it.
> Finally, it's not going anywhere. As I'm walking to my car with
> 8 bags in 2 hands, I hear it coming for me. Fast.
>
> I turned around and wham! got my hand between the racing cart
> and the front of a gold Mercedes. Bad words. I hurt my pinky.
> What, did they oil the friggin cart wheels this week? I was so mad.
> But, hey, the car didn't get scratched.
>
> nancy


Ms. Young,

We've rounded up the usual suspects. Can you make a positive ID?

http://www.tinyurl.com/mv4ux

Mr. Bean

"Andy" <q> wrote

> Nancy Young said...

>> I turned around and wham! got my hand between the racing cart
>> and the front of a gold Mercedes. Bad words. I hurt my pinky.
>> What, did they oil the friggin cart wheels this week? I was so mad.
>> But, hey, the car didn't get scratched.

> We've rounded up the usual suspects. Can you make a positive ID?
>
> http://www.tinyurl.com/mv4ux

Ha ha!! Yup, No 589 nailed my finger! That's the one, I'd recognise
those beady wheels anywhere!

nancy

In article >,
says...
>
> Puester > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> > > "Stan Horwitz" > wrote
> > >
> > >> Actually, it isn't a laughing matter. My sister had a similar thing
> > >> happen to her a few years ago. She left her purse on the shopping cart.
> > >> The cart was moved and her purse was gone. All her money, license, car
> > >> keys, house keys, and checks for her business, all gone in an instant.
> > >
> > > Then her purse was stolen. You can't tell me someone checked out and
> > > didn't notice a purse. That's a different matter. She should have told
> > > store personnel who could have made sure her purse did not leave the
> building.
> > >
> > > nancy
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Have you noticed that with the advent of self-checkout, there's hardly
> > any store personnel left? Sadly, I doubt that, even given a 30 minute
> > head start, most stores could gather enough employees to catch a thief.
> >
> > gloria p
>
>
>
> The sad thing is, if you shop at a Super W***mart, you can walk out with
> anything, including someone's purse and even if you could find a clerk, they
> couldn't do anything about it. Company policy is that only an assistant
> manager or above can stop someone from shoplifting/pilfering/stealing from
> other customers.....THEN the person who witnessed the theft must witness
> said perp leaving the building with it. Theory is, if you accuse them of
> doing something, said perp won't shop there ever again....PUHLEEZ. Very few
> retailers even bother anymore and most of the cameras are trained to see if
> the employees are stealing/slacking as most camera pods are dummies with
> only a few actual ones in operation.
> -ginny
> -ginny

Interestingly the Stop & Shop near my office usually has someone
attending the self scan stations.

One day I had a frozen lunch and a muffin. I plop the muffin on the
scale, punch in its code, enter the qty and then as the machine tells me
to put it in the bag I do so. The guy attending got all bent out of
shape, accused me of not scanning, etc. Had to get a manager over to
verify the receipt.

-L. wrote:

> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>
> > My other pet peeve is the lazy assholes who leave their carts right
> > where they've unloaded them in the parking lot even though the cart
> > return area is just two aisles away.
> >
> > GRRRRRRRRR
>
> I have done that a couple times when it is really hot outside, and I
> have DS in the car and couldn't park close to the cart return (which I
> always try to do). I always situate it so that it can't roll, but
> there's no way I'm leaving him alone in a hot car even for a few
> minutes. Sometimes I am able to unload him last - other times I have
> to put him in first. It sort of depends on his demeanor and what I am
> unloading. Somebody once gave me a dirty look for doing so. I gave
> them the finger and a great big grin.


They were probably thinking, "Look at that stoopid welfare moo with her lil'
niglet...".

--
Best
Greg

-L writhes:

> I don't want to put my hand in dried blood or
> manure from produce, or have DS do the same and then stick it in his
> mouth


The absolute *filthiest* thing your brat could ever encounter is that big
fat mouth of yours...

--
Best
Greg

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article 9>,
> Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> > All the supermarkets I frequent have disinfectant hand wipe dispensers near
> > the cart pickup area. I always wipe down the cart pushbar.
> >
> > --
> > Wayne Boatwright
>
> I've yet to run into a single store in my area that does this.... or
> maybe I've just not seen them?
> --
> Peace!
> Om

I just saw my first one the other day. They're in the upscale
neighborhood, cater to just about every food preference (except cheap
most of the time). It was their 25th anniversary week, and they were
having 25cent specials. The day I was there (the last one, of
course!), they had sugar pumpkins for 25 cents each. I picked up 16 (8
for me, 8 for hubby) and we'll have pies and fudge and lots and lots of
lanterns!

maxine in ri

T wrote:

> Interestingly the Stop & Shop near my office usually has someone
> attending the self scan stations.
>
> One day I had a frozen lunch and a muffin. I plop the muffin on the
> scale, punch in its code, enter the qty and then as the machine tells me
> to put it in the bag I do so. The guy attending got all bent out of
> shape, accused me of not scanning, etc. Had to get a manager over to
> verify the receipt.

They actually _noticed_ what you were doing? Usually, I have to do the
"OVER HERE" cheer to get anyone's attention.

Shaws is the one with the unattended scan stations. But then, Shaws has
always been the store for long lines and slow checkouts, so why should
the scan lanes be any different?

maxine in ri

"maxine in ri" > wrote
> I realize you're not a breeder, but understand that those monstrosities
> which are a real pain to push around, are doing you a favor. They're
> keeping the kids from getting underfoot.
> ;-)

Hey Maxine, fix your clock!



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Oh pshaw, on Sat 23 Sep 2006 04:33:45p, maxine in ri meant to say...

>
> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>> In article 9>,
>> Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > All the supermarkets I frequent have disinfectant hand wipe
>> > dispensers near the cart pickup area. I always wipe down the cart
>> > pushbar.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Wayne Boatwright
>>
>> I've yet to run into a single store in my area that does this.... or
>> maybe I've just not seen them?
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Om
>
> I just saw my first one the other day. They're in the upscale
> neighborhood, cater to just about every food preference (except cheap
> most of the time). It was their 25th anniversary week, and they were
> having 25cent specials. The day I was there (the last one, of
> course!), they had sugar pumpkins for 25 cents each. I picked up 16 (8
> for me, 8 for hubby) and we'll have pies and fudge and lots and lots of
> lanterns!
>
> maxine in ri
>
>

Sounds like fun! I've never had pumpkin fudge. Sounds good!

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Useless Invention: Double-sided playing cards.

In article .com>,
says...
>
> T wrote:
>
> > Interestingly the Stop & Shop near my office usually has someone
> > attending the self scan stations.
> >
> > One day I had a frozen lunch and a muffin. I plop the muffin on the
> > scale, punch in its code, enter the qty and then as the machine tells me
> > to put it in the bag I do so. The guy attending got all bent out of
> > shape, accused me of not scanning, etc. Had to get a manager over to
> > verify the receipt.
>
> They actually _noticed_ what you were doing? Usually, I have to do the
> "OVER HERE" cheer to get anyone's attention.

They actually THOUGHT they noticed. One day I got a couple of loose
cookies from the bakery. Thing was, the weight was so little the scale
wouldn't pick it up. The attendant just looked at me and told me to
enjoy the cookies. That was funny.


> Shaws is the one with the unattended scan stations. But then, Shaws has
> always been the store for long lines and slow checkouts, so why should
> the scan lanes be any different?

Oh I know. Shaw's is the only supermarket I'm aware of where the express
lanes are the slowest around, doesn't matter what time of day.

The Shaw's near me doesn't have self scan yet.

Nancy Young wrote:

> I remember reading somewhere, someone was grossed out by the
> sight of some store employee using the cart to wheel cleaning supplies
> into and out of the bathroom. Yuck. They made it sound as if the
> cart went right back into service. Wouldn't surprise me.
>

I've seen that happen. Back when I was a courtesy clerk, we used the 6
wheelers, not the customer carts, but I have seen them use those.

I have also seen customers take the whole grocery cart into the
bathroom. And of course, a LOT of people do not wash after they use the
bathroom. Then they go out and push a cart and touch various items
around the store, things that the rest of us will touch right before
eating. It's pretty gross when you really think about what we end up
touching every day.

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:



> I'm torn on this issue. Whereas they DO keep unruly trolls in some
> semblance of control, I see too many teens and faux adults stuffing
> themselves into one of these and running rampant through the store. It
> happens with the regular carts as well, but they somehow aren't as
> 'tempting'. Or, the trolls are in the cart and the mom/dad in charge lets
> another troll push the younger......you can hear the arguments three aisles
> away.


We have a car type cart that will hold two small children. Even an 8
year old would have trouble fitting inside.

Then we have a two seater bench. An adult can fit on that, and I have
seen some elderly poeple riding in those. There is one couple that
comes in on a regular basis, and the gentleman pushes his wife in that
cart.

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:

> The sad thing is, if you shop at a Super W***mart, you can walk out with
> anything, including someone's purse and even if you could find a clerk, they
> couldn't do anything about it. Company policy is that only an assistant
> manager or above can stop someone from shoplifting/pilfering/stealing from
> other customers.....THEN the person who witnessed the theft must witness
> said perp leaving the building with it. Theory is, if you accuse them of
> doing something, said perp won't shop there ever again....PUHLEEZ.

Here in Seattle, we had a shoplifter die when a clerk held the person
in a choke hold. After that, it was made company policy that only
certain people could go after them once they leave the store. But we
are still all encouarged to look for shoplifters, and block the doors.

If somebody alerted us to a stolen purse, and the thief was still in
the store, we would stop them. If a trained person is close enough,
they will go after.

Anybody is allowed to follow outside and get a license plate and
description.

I can't speak for Walmart's policy, but ours is because of a dead
shoplifter.

wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I remember reading somewhere, someone was grossed out by the
>> sight of some store employee using the cart to wheel cleaning
>> supplies into and out of the bathroom. Yuck. They made it sound as
>> if the cart went right back into service. Wouldn't surprise me.
>>
>
> I've seen that happen. Back when I was a courtesy clerk, we used the 6
> wheelers, not the customer carts, but I have seen them use those.
>
> I have also seen customers take the whole grocery cart into the
> bathroom. And of course, a LOT of people do not wash after they use
> the bathroom. Then they go out and push a cart and touch various items
> around the store, things that the rest of us will touch right before
> eating. It's pretty gross when you really think about what we end up
> touching every day.

You make a good point, but then again if you have to use the restrooms and
you have a full cart, you really don't want to leave it sitting outside.
Some employee may come by and think the cart was abandoned and there go your
shopping efforts! It's best if you can find an employee (IIRC, those
restrooms are at the back of the store usually near the meat counter) and
ask if you can leave the cart outside for a minute. And yes, please,
people, wash your hands!

Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode where Jerry was dating a woman and her
father owned a restaurant. He ran into the father in the restroom while he
was washing his hands. The father used the facilities, didn't wash up and
then proceeded to hand-toss a pizza or something like that for them. Jerry
was understandably grossed out and wouldn't even taste what the man had
prepared. Who could blame him? LOL

Jill

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
> maxine in ri > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
> snip
>>> What I can't stand are the huge "toy" carts that are designed to
>>> look like fire engines or school busses or whatever. Big plastic
>>> monstrosities that take up half an aisle and are designed more for
>>> ferrying kids around than for shopping. Hey folks, the grocery
>>> store is *not* a McDonald's playground! The rest of us would like
>>> to be able to manueuver in the grocery store, thanks very much.
>>
>> Gotta disagree with you, Jill. Those carts keep small, untamed
>> children from tearing around the store unattended, causing their
>> adult-in-charge to leave the cart with it's contents and probably
>> their handbag in it while the AIC chases after the rugrats. I've
>> been in aisles where it was easy enough to get by the kiddy-carts,
>> but you couldn't maneuver around the idiots of all ages and sexes
>> who leave their carts in the middle of the aisles while they peruse
>> the rice-a-roni.
>>
>> I realize you're not a breeder, but understand that those
>> monstrosities which are a real pain to push around, are doing you a
>> favor. They're keeping the kids from getting underfoot.
>> ;-)
>> maxine in ri
>>
>
> I'm torn on this issue. Whereas they DO keep unruly trolls in some
> semblance of control, I see too many teens and faux adults stuffing
> themselves into one of these and running rampant through the store.
> It happens with the regular carts as well, but they somehow aren't as
> 'tempting'. Or, the trolls are in the cart and the mom/dad in charge
> lets another troll push the younger......you can hear the arguments
> three aisles away.
> -ginny

I suppose I can see both sides of the issue. But then, I was raised in a
time when Mom simply didn't take us to the store (she shopped when Dad was
at home on weekends). If she did take us, it was on pain of never leaving
the house again if we behaved like unruly trolls. Going shopping with Mom
was a "treat", not a right. I realize that's not an option for so many
these days.

On the other hand, I recall one specific incident earlier this year where a
woman and her girlfriend/sister/cousin went shopping with all their
children. They *both* had one of these big toy-looking carts with 2-3 small
children crammed in each one, as well as a couple of kids who looked to be
about 9 years old pushing the carts around. Nothing stopped the older kids
from still being unruly, including their mothers. And the woman and
girlfriend/sister/cousin stopped with both carts parked in front of the meat
cooler to chit chat. My "excuse me" went ignored. So they created a
traffic jam. But then again, they were simply selfish, insensitive jerks.
Can't blame the carts for that

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> You make a good point, but then again if you have to use the restrooms and
> you have a full cart, you really don't want to leave it sitting outside.
> Some employee may come by and think the cart was abandoned and there go your
> shopping efforts! It's best if you can find an employee (IIRC, those
> restrooms are at the back of the store usually near the meat counter) and
> ask if you can leave the cart outside for a minute. And yes, please,
> people, wash your hands!
> Jill

I worked at a grocery store many years ago and we would usually assume
that if a bascart was sitting outside a restroom door there was
somebody inside using the restroom. Actually the store didn't like it
when people took their groceries into the restrooms because that's how
many of the shoplifters operated. With no security cameras in the
restrooms a person could take a bascart into the restroom and hide all
kinds of things in their pockets, purses, etc.

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm torn on this issue. Whereas they DO keep unruly trolls in some
> > semblance of control, I see too many teens and faux adults stuffing
> > themselves into one of these and running rampant through the store. It
> > happens with the regular carts as well, but they somehow aren't as
> > 'tempting'. Or, the trolls are in the cart and the mom/dad in charge
lets
> > another troll push the younger......you can hear the arguments three
aisles
> > away.
>
>
> We have a car type cart that will hold two small children. Even an 8
> year old would have trouble fitting inside.
>
> Then we have a two seater bench. An adult can fit on that, and I have
> seen some elderly poeple riding in those. There is one couple that
> comes in on a regular basis, and the gentleman pushes his wife in that
> cart.
>

I don't have a problem with those carts being used as they are suposed to
be, I think it is sweet to see an elderly person being escorted through the
store whether by a spouse or someone else. If we taught the youth of today
to actually respect their elders we wouldn't have so much problem with them
behaving the way they do in the stores.

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>
> > The sad thing is, if you shop at a Super W***mart, you can walk out with
> > anything, including someone's purse and even if you could find a clerk,
they
> > couldn't do anything about it. Company policy is that only an assistant
> > manager or above can stop someone from shoplifting/pilfering/stealing
from
> > other customers.....THEN the person who witnessed the theft must witness
> > said perp leaving the building with it. Theory is, if you accuse them
of
> > doing something, said perp won't shop there ever again....PUHLEEZ.
>
> Here in Seattle, we had a shoplifter die when a clerk held the person
> in a choke hold. After that, it was made company policy that only
> certain people could go after them once they leave the store. But we
> are still all encouarged to look for shoplifters, and block the doors.
>
> If somebody alerted us to a stolen purse, and the thief was still in
> the store, we would stop them. If a trained person is close enough,
> they will go after.
>
> Anybody is allowed to follow outside and get a license plate and
> description.
>
> I can't speak for Walmart's policy, but ours is because of a dead
> shoplifter.
>

Unfortunately, who was probably a 'good boy/girl' who was misunderstood and
whose family got a mint from the chain.
-ginny

jmcquown wrote:
>
> You make a good point, but then again if you have to use the restrooms and
> you have a full cart, you really don't want to leave it sitting outside.
> Some employee may come by and think the cart was abandoned and there go your
> shopping efforts! It's best if you can find an employee (IIRC, those
> restrooms are at the back of the store usually near the meat counter) and
> ask if you can leave the cart outside for a minute. And yes, please,
> people, wash your hands!
>

Our bathrooms are near the deli department, so customers may leave the
cart with us. If we see a cart sitting near the bathroom hallway, we
roll it to the deli and give it about 15 minutes before considering it
abandoned. We really don't want carts going into the bathroom. Loaded
carts usually mean shoplifting, and our hallway is so narrow that it is
really a pain when somebody tries to take one down to the bathroom. I
do understand the need when somebody has kids and wants to keep them
contained while they use the bathroom.

Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:


>
> Unfortunately, who was probably a 'good boy/girl' who was misunderstood and
> whose family got a mint from the chain.
> -ginny


You are probably right. I never heard what happened, but I remember the
news making a big deal about the guy being an *alleged* shoplifter. My
brother worked at two other caompanies catching shoplifters, and he had
video of the same guy stealing from them.

Nobody wants somebody to die, but it is very frustrating when the
thieves get away with stuff because we are too afraid of lawsuits to
stop them.

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote
>
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> >
> >> I had to laugh, as I was shopping just now, I came upon
> >> a woman muttering about her cart. I hear 'this isn't my stuff,
> >> this isn't my cart! I just put my cart right here! and someone
> >> took it! Oh man, glad it wasn't me. We were just talking about
> >> that.
>
> > Actually, it isn't a laughing matter. My sister had a similar thing
> > happen to her a few years ago. She left her purse on the shopping cart.
> > The cart was moved and her purse was gone. All her money, license, car
> > keys, house keys, and checks for her business, all gone in an instant.
>
> Then her purse was stolen. You can't tell me someone checked out and
> didn't notice a purse. That's a different matter. She should have told
> store
> personnel who could have made sure her purse did not leave the building.
>
> nancy

Believe me, my sister notified everyone possible at the store, as soon
as she discovered the problem. Based on what my sister told me, her
shopping cart was out of her sight no more than a minute or two when
this theft occurred. The thief just snatched her purse and left the
store. This was a store in a fairly upscale suburban area with no
security guards at the exit, and even if security personnel were there,
if the thief was a woman, the security guard would have never noticed
the crime taking place.

In article >,
"Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:

>
> The sad thing is, if you shop at a Super W***mart, you can walk out with
> anything, including someone's purse and even if you could find a clerk, they
> couldn't do anything about it. Company policy is that only an assistant
> manager or above can stop someone from shoplifting/pilfering/stealing from
> other customers.....THEN the person who witnessed the theft must witness
> said perp leaving the building with it. Theory is, if you accuse them of
> doing something, said perp won't shop there ever again....PUHLEEZ. Very few
> retailers even bother anymore and most of the cameras are trained to see if
> the employees are stealing/slacking as most camera pods are dummies with
> only a few actual ones in operation.

I don't know if all Walmarts have the same policy, but security at their
store in Cherry Hill, where I shop, is a joke. The store's exit has a
security guard who is supposed to check the receipt of everyone who
leaves the store (at least I think that's what he's supposed to do). The
reality is, the exit guard just stands around and does nothing.

I try to avoid shopping at Walmart, but a few weeks ago, I went there to
buy a few items, mainly because its the closest store to where I live.
When I approached the exit, a loud alarm went off and lights at the
front door started flashing. No other customers were leaving store so it
must have been me. I turned to the security guard to show him my bag and
receipt to verify that everything I had was paid for. Before I could
open my bag, the guard smiled and told me not to worry about it. I could
have easily had a bunch of stolen items in my Walmart bag, but the
store's personnel would have never known it.

Go figure!

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote

> I try to avoid shopping at Walmart, but a few weeks ago, I went there to
> buy a few items, mainly because its the closest store to where I live.
> When I approached the exit, a loud alarm went off and lights at the
> front door started flashing. No other customers were leaving store so it
> must have been me. I turned to the security guard to show him my bag and
> receipt to verify that everything I had was paid for. Before I could
> open my bag, the guard smiled and told me not to worry about it. I could
> have easily had a bunch of stolen items in my Walmart bag, but the
> store's personnel would have never known it.

Well, funny how I shop at stores all the time and they don't have
to check my bag on the way out. Why should Walmart be any
different?

Not asking you, Stan, just saying.

nancy

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>> Then her purse was stolen. You can't tell me someone checked out and
>> didn't notice a purse. That's a different matter. She should have told
>> store
>> personnel who could have made sure her purse did not leave the building.

> Believe me, my sister notified everyone possible at the store, as soon
> as she discovered the problem. Based on what my sister told me, her
> shopping cart was out of her sight no more than a minute or two when
> this theft occurred.

That's what I was saying, we were really talking about people
accidentally walking off with someone else's cart (guilty).
I just meant this is a different matter ... if it was a mistake, the
person would realize it when they saw the pocketbook.

> The thief just snatched her purse and left the
> store.

That's the thing though, I thought you said they took her cart.
Seems a thief would just grab the bag and go.

>This was a store in a fairly upscale suburban area with no
> security guards at the exit, and even if security personnel were there,
> if the thief was a woman, the security guard would have never noticed
> the crime taking place.

No, it really is up to the shopper to watch their personal belongings.
I don't mean about your sister, I mean anyone. I don't expect the
store to have guards.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote
>
> > I try to avoid shopping at Walmart, but a few weeks ago, I went there to
> > buy a few items, mainly because its the closest store to where I live.
> > When I approached the exit, a loud alarm went off and lights at the
> > front door started flashing. No other customers were leaving store so it
> > must have been me. I turned to the security guard to show him my bag and
> > receipt to verify that everything I had was paid for. Before I could
> > open my bag, the guard smiled and told me not to worry about it. I could
> > have easily had a bunch of stolen items in my Walmart bag, but the
> > store's personnel would have never known it.
>
> Well, funny how I shop at stores all the time and they don't have
> to check my bag on the way out. Why should Walmart be any
> different?


Maybe Squallmart figures much of their demographic is more likely to steal?
There is a fairly grotty Aldi store near me that requires you to check
backpacks, etc....lotsa poorer people shop there, there are also several
half - way houses and homeless shelters nearby.

Some of those Squallmart door people are really a bit long in the tooth (I'm
not criticising, I'm 50+ lol...). For loss prevention I'd hire somebody
younger. Maybe they want older folx at the door for a "homey" atmosphere or
something...

There is a huge upscale likker store near me (Binny's, a big local chain)
that also requires backpacks and the like to be checked. That I guess I can
understand, they've got some very expensive booze that could be sneeked into
something I guess...

In any case it's wierd, especially with the sophisticated electronic loss
prevention systems available these daze...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > Well, funny how I shop at stores all the time and they don't have
> > to check my bag on the way out. Why should Walmart be any
> > different?

Volume? Arithmetic? Maybe they figured the amount lost due to
shoplifting and the cost of the checker and the checker costs less.

>
>
> Maybe Squallmart figures much of their demographic is more likely to steal?
> There is a fairly grotty Aldi store near me that requires you to check
> backpacks, etc....lotsa poorer people shop there, there are also several
> half - way houses and homeless shelters nearby.

Greg, Is this the Aldis on B'Way between Montrose and Wilson? I shop
there periodically, and have never been asked to check my backpack or
any of my bags. In fact, before I figured out how to use a quarter as a
deposit to check out a cart, I once used my own carried in bag to
collect my groceries as I shopped. No problem. It wasn't an Aldis bag,
just a backpack or some other canvas bag.

Once, though, having changed my mind about shopping. I pushed my empty
cart in the wrong direction through a closed check-out lane on my way
out and the guard came running after me. Maybe he figures quarters from
unreturned carts are his bonus.

I don't go to either often, but I prefer the Aldis on Montrose and
Western. "The Cheese Stands Alone" up near Wilson is a nice side-trip
when I go there. My ex- refers to it as "The Stinky Cheese Man."

Ciao.
-bwg

>
> Some of those Squallmart door people are really a bit long in the tooth (I'm
> not criticising, I'm 50+ lol...). For loss prevention I'd hire somebody
> younger. Maybe they want older folx at the door for a "homey" atmosphere or
> something...
>
> There is a huge upscale likker store near me (Binny's, a big local chain)
> that also requires backpacks and the like to be checked. That I guess I can
> understand, they've got some very expensive booze that could be sneeked into
> something I guess...
>
> In any case it's wierd, especially with the sophisticated electronic loss
> prevention systems available these daze...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg