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I am a stranger in your country, having only recently (well, comparatively recently) come into the family curse - adult-onset diabetes. And I have to tell you folks (as if you didn't know) it stinketh, and it stinketh LOUD. When I was a kid, I was allergic to every-damn-thing - chjocolate, dairy, citrus; think of something that tastes good, I was probably allergic - but finally grew out of most of it.

Then, on the threshold of 40, my sawbones tells me I'm gonna ahve to start taking these pills (hit me with high blood pressire the same visit - this is a bedside manner?), and I have been trying to get it together. Especially after I was inadvertently off meds for about 6 weeks, my lenses swelled up and I thought I was going blind. Pfui. Now I have people telling me that even if I lay off the sugary crap and watch the carbs, there are still things (LOTS of things) that I like that somehow digest as sugar and raise my glucose. To say nothing of all the lovely yidden goodies that are not so healthy (some of it, I might as well be eating lard, deep fried and rolled in confectioners' sugar)...

Can one or some of you kind folks direct me to a site where I can get a good cross-section of what's good (for me, anyway) and what's not? That, or plans for Dr Kevorkian's machine. And is there anything I can turn to when I get the madness and must have something sweet or some other kind of munchy.

This lack of sweeties is really making me bitter. Post here for the other Lost Souls, or you can email me direct.

Cheers,
Doc


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I am a stranger in your country, having only recently (well, comparatively

recently) come into the family curse - adult-onset diabetes. And I have to
tell you folks (as if you didn't know) it stinketh, and it stinketh LOUD.
When I was a kid, I was allergic to every-damn-thing - chjocolate, dairy,
citrus; think of something that tastes good, I was probably allergic - but
finally grew out of most of it.

Then, on the threshold of 40, my sawbones tells me I'm gonna ahve to start

taking these pills (hit me with high blood pressire the same visit - this is
a bedside manner?), and I have been trying to get it together. Especially
after I was inadvertently off meds for about 6 weeks, my lenses swelled up
and I thought I was going blind. Pfui. Now I have people telling me that
even if I lay off the sugary crap and watch the carbs, there are still
things (LOTS of things) that I like that somehow digest as sugar and raise
my glucose. To say nothing of all the lovely yidden goodies that are not so
healthy (some of it, I might as well be eating lard, deep fried and rolled
in confectioners' sugar)...

Can one or some of you kind folks direct me to a site where I can get a

good cross-section of what's good (for me, anyway) and what's not? That, or
plans for Dr Kevorkian's machine. And is there anything I can turn to when
I get the madness and must have something sweet or some other kind of
munchy.

This lack of sweeties is really making me bitter. Post here for the other

Lost Souls, or you can email me direct.

Cheers,
Doc

There are more answers on alt.support.diabetes . You may think about
making your own sweets
using sugar substitutes.


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Old 04-06-2006, 07:44 PM posted to alt.food.diabetic
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Hey DrD...

There are still plenty of good old bubbe food you can eat.

Lox and cream cheese (just roll 'em up and skip the bagel)

Chopped Liver

Brisket

Chicken soup (sorry about the matzoh balls)

But you can figure this all out for yourself... here's the advice I give
all newbies:


Sounds like you're planning a move to take control of your diabetes... good
for you.

There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin
by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. You won't keel over
today, you have time to experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just
how your body and this disease are getting along. The most important
thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.

More than most anything, what you eat will affect your diabetes and
your blood glucose numbers.

And more than anything you eat, carbs will affect your diabetes and
your blood glucose numbers.

So, the most important information you can begin to compile about
yourself, is how your body handles carbs.

This sounds like you would need a low carb food plan right?

You don't... what you need to uncover is YOUR Personalized Carb Number.

Which actually works better for most everyone. Because low to one
person is wildly high to another, but waaaaay too low for someone
else.

Is low carb less than 30g a day? Is it anything less than the
Pyramid reccomendations?

Finding your Personalized Carb Number is easy.

Here's how you can figure out your own Personalized Carb Number.

The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:

What do I eat?

Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.

What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can get great
results on wildly different food plans. Some of us here achieve
great blood glucose control eating a high complex carbohydrate diet.
Others find that anything over 75 - 100g of carbs a day is too
much. Still others are somewhere in between.

At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be handed
THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we all
learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find our own path,
using the experience of those that went before, but still having
to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and this disease were coexisting.

Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own what works best
for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points, but eventually
you'll work up a successful plan that is yours alone.

What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I'm
sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our
Grandmas called "starches") raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein
and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're
a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise.

You might want to try some experiments.

First: Eat whatever you've been
currently eating... but write it all down.
Test yourself at the following times:

Upon waking (fasting)
1 hour after each meal
2 hours after each meal
At bedtime

That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long
after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to
"normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or
other carbs gives you a higher reading.

Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate breads,
cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all
your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above.

If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good
readings. It's worth a few days to discover.

Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them affecting your
meter.

The thing about this disease... though we share much in common and we
need to
follow certain guidelines... in the end, each of our bodies dictate our
treatment and our success.

The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of
avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM... I know that
everyone is at a different point in their disease... and it is progressive.
But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the
best shot at heath we've got.
That's all we can do.

Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers.

FBG under 100
One hour after meals under 140
Two hours after meals under 120

or for those in the mmol parts of the world:

Fasting Under 6
One hour after meals Under 8
Two hours after meals Under 6.5

Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your
"after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future
complications, especially heart problems.

Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic
care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You
will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling
diabetes than your doctor will. Your meter is your best weapon.

Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but
ourselves... Play around with your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn what
foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your body as a science
experiment.

You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to control their
diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed. After awhile you'll learn that
there is no one size fits all around here. Take some time to experiment
and you'll soon discover the plan that works for you.

Best of luck!

Jennifer


DrDespicable wrote:

I am a stranger in your country, having only recently (well, comparatively recently) come into the family curse - adult-onset diabetes. And I have to tell you folks (as if you didn't know) it stinketh, and it stinketh LOUD. When I was a kid, I was allergic to every-damn-thing - chjocolate, dairy, citrus; think of something that tastes good, I was probably allergic - but finally grew out of most of it.

Then, on the threshold of 40, my sawbones tells me I'm gonna ahve to start taking these pills (hit me with high blood pressire the same visit - this is a bedside manner?), and I have been trying to get it together. Especially after I was inadvertently off meds for about 6 weeks, my lenses swelled up and I thought I was going blind. Pfui. Now I have people telling me that even if I lay off the sugary crap and watch the carbs, there are still things (LOTS of things) that I like that somehow digest as sugar and raise my glucose. To say nothing of all the lovely yidden goodies that are not so healthy (some of it, I might as well be eating lard, deep fried and rolled in confectioners' sugar)...

Can one or some of you kind folks direct me to a site where I can get a good cross-section of what's good (for me, anyway) and what's not? That, or plans for Dr Kevorkian's machine. And is there anything I can turn to when I get the madness and must have something sweet or some other kind of munchy.

This lack of sweeties is really making me bitter. Post here for the other Lost Souls, or you can email me direct.

Cheers,
Doc


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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:44:52 -0700, "DrDespicable"
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I am a stranger in your country, having only recently (well, comparatively recently) come into the family curse - adult-onset diabetes. And I have to tell you folks (as if you didn't know) it stinketh, and it stinketh LOUD. When I was a kid, I was allergic to every-damn-thing - chjocolate, dairy, citrus; think of something that tastes good, I was probably allergic - but finally grew out of most of it.

Then, on the threshold of 40, my sawbones tells me I'm gonna ahve to start taking these pills (hit me with high blood pressire the same visit - this is a bedside manner?), and I have been trying to get it together. Especially after I was inadvertently off meds for about 6 weeks, my lenses swelled up and I thought I was going blind. Pfui. Now I have people telling me that even if I lay off the sugary crap and watch the carbs, there are still things (LOTS of things) that I like that somehow digest as sugar and raise my glucose. To say nothing of all the lovely yidden goodies that are not so healthy (some of it, I might as well be eating lard, deep fried and rolled in confectioners' sugar)...

Can one or some of you kind folks direct me to a site where I can get a good cross-section of what's good (for me, anyway) and what's not? That, or plans for Dr Kevorkian's machine. And is there anything I can turn to when I get the madness and must have something sweet or some other kind of munchy.

This lack of sweeties is really making me bitter. Post here for the other Lost Souls, or you can email me direct.

Cheers,
Doc


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Jennifer has given you very excellent advice. Also, you should be
aware that there are several uniquely Jewish groups for diabetics
around.

A link to one is

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...sWithDiabetes/

Another link would be

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Kosher-Low-Carb/

I hope these are helpful.

Good luck.

Will, T2


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