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Is there anyone out there that could just give me the daily meal
breakdowns for a 1600 cal diet??
My mother, who is 84, is on a 1600 cal diet and I am trying to get her
set up again. With all the info out there on the web, I can not seem
to just find this info.
Example:
Breakfast
2 breads
1 meat/protein
1 fruit
2 starchs
I guess it Must be out there but I can't find it.
I have got her all kind of meal plans, food breakdowns to exchanges,
etc.
But now I need to be able to tell her What to eat at each meal.
We are going to diabetic training again, this time with me in about 2
weeks, but I thought I could just get something for her to follow till
then. She can't remember what they have told her in the past.
I would Really Appreciate any help!!

Thanks
Julie Kindle

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On 31 Aug 2005 16:14:39 -0700, "Julie"
> wrote:

>Is there anyone out there that could just give me the daily meal
>breakdowns for a 1600 cal diet??
>My mother, who is 84, is on a 1600 cal diet and I am trying to get her
>set up again. With all the info out there on the web, I can not seem
>to just find this info.
>Example:
>Breakfast
>2 breads
>1 meat/protein
>1 fruit
>2 starchs
>I guess it Must be out there but I can't find it.
>I have got her all kind of meal plans, food breakdowns to exchanges,
>etc.
>But now I need to be able to tell her What to eat at each meal.
>We are going to diabetic training again, this time with me in about 2
>weeks, but I thought I could just get something for her to follow till
>then. She can't remember what they have told her in the past.
>I would Really Appreciate any help!!
>
>Thanks
>Julie Kindle


Hi Julie

You said "We are going to diabetic training". Does that
include a session with a qualified dietitian?

We could give lots of advice, but it would probably cause
confusion because I, for one, disagree quite strongly with
that breakfast. However, I have no idea of your mother's
other conditions, what type of diabetes she has, or what
meds she is taking.

So I won't offer direct advice.

For a free software program that will help you analyze
meals, try DWIDP: http://www.walford.com/software.htm

For a different way to gain control of type 2, read
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Whether that is applicable to her circumstances is something
she must decide.

However, please get some direct answers for your questions
from her dietitian. Incidentally, two breads and one fruit
is already three starch serves in my opinion. Some may argue
about the fruit. It's also more carbs than I can handle
before mid-afternoon.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
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Julie > wrote in message
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> Is there anyone out there that could just give me the daily meal
> breakdowns for a 1600 cal diet??
> My mother, who is 84, is on a 1600 cal diet and I am trying to get her
> set up again.


Diet exchanges are obsolete for the treatment of Type 2 diabetes.
Most type 2 diabetics count carbs instead. It is much easier.

In my case, if I limit my carbs to less than 100 a day my diabetes is in
control. Your mother's case may be different. She might benefit by being
under the care of a diabetes specialist.

PJ


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Just a word of caution----

I went thru a (second) diabetic course a couple years ago, as they now teach
carb counting.
But, unknown to me, although the entire Hospital accepts Medicare
Assignment, I found out later that the Diabetic Teaching Department does
not.
After seeing the $300 bill for two appointments, I raised Holy H---, said I
would never return even for surgery, that I was "ambushed" by never having
been given the facts, etc.
After a few months, and numerous calls, the Hospital finally wiped out the
bill.
Just a word to the wise.

Best---
Ron (Lucky) :-)


Julie > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Is there anyone out there that could just give me the daily meal
> breakdowns for a 1600 cal diet??
> My mother, who is 84, is on a 1600 cal diet and I am trying to get her
> set up again. With all the info out there on the web, I can not seem
> to just find this info.
> Example:
> Breakfast
> 2 breads
> 1 meat/protein
> 1 fruit
> 2 starchs
> I guess it Must be out there but I can't find it.
> I have got her all kind of meal plans, food breakdowns to exchanges,
> etc.
> But now I need to be able to tell her What to eat at each meal.
> We are going to diabetic training again, this time with me in about 2
> weeks, but I thought I could just get something for her to follow till
> then. She can't remember what they have told her in the past.
> I would Really Appreciate any help!!
>
> Thanks
> Julie Kindle
>



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Julie,

Did you ever get your mom set up with her eating? The current ADA
guidelines from materials from my diabetes educator (recent--not old)
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Starch 6-11. Most people are toward the lower end of the range. Go for
whole grain without added sugar and salt. Serving:

1 slice of bread
=BC of a bagel (1 ounce)
=BD an English muffin or pita bread
1, 6 inch tortilla
=BE cup dry cereal
=BD cup cooked cereal
=BD cup potato, yam, peas, corn, or cooked beans
1 cup winter squash
1/3 cup of rice or pasta

Veggies 3-5 (eat at the high end); a serving is:

1 cup raw
=BD cup cooked

Fruit 2-4 (most at low end); a serving is

=BD cup canned fruit
1 small fresh fruit
2 tbs dried fruit
1 cup of melon or raspberries
1 =BC cup of whole strawberries

Milk 2-3 (most at low end; choose non-fat or low-fat); a serving is:

1 cup milk
1 cup of yogurt


Meat, fish, poultry 4-6 oz per day divided between meals; cut off all
visible fat and choose lower-fat varieties. (Another source suggests 2
oz. of shrimp=3D1 oz. meat). Can also use meat substitutes:

Equal to 1 oz of meat:

=BC cup cottage cheese
=BC cup ricotta cheese
1 egg
1 Tbsp peanut butter
=BD cup tofu

Fats, sweets, alcohol: Limit! I've seen several other sources that
suggest 3 servings of "good" fat, such as olive oil, canola/rapeseed (1
tsp.), although limited low-fat sour cream or cream cheese (2 Tblsp)
can be substituted.


A trick I've found is eating a small apple sliced and dipped in peanut
butter as a snack--tastes like a caramel apple and counts as protein
and fruit.

My diabetes educator says to combine foods and spread them out over the
day, eating 3 filling meals and 2-3 snacks. I find that I do need to
eat to be filled up or I am tempted to snack more between meals.



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Doh! I left out the main part--portions for 1600 calorie plan:

6 protein
6 starch
2 milk
6 veggie
4 fruit
3 fat

I find it easier to follow basic portions than counting carbs, but I
seem to be an oddball about most things these days. I do use
carb/glycemic index to make choices.

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pinecone > wrote in message
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> Doh! I left out the main part--portions for 1600 calorie plan:
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> 6 protein
> 6 starch
> 2 milk
> 6 veggie
> 4 fruit
> 3 fat
>
> I find it easier to follow basic portions than counting carbs, but I
> seem to be an oddball about most things these days. I do use
> carb/glycemic index to make choices.
>


The 1600 calories will help the patient lose weight.

Now tell me, what are you doing to control the diabetes?

You don't control diabetes by counting calories.

PJ


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"Now tell me, what are you doing to control the diabetes?
You don't control diabetes by counting calories."


Her doctor put her on a combination reduced calorie-diabetes diet, and
this *is* the so-called default.

I personally eat only 5 starches and 2 fruits in order to control my
own diabetes with only diet and exercise (and a multi-vitamin)--YMMV.
With pills I had a bit more freedom.

I also combine foods (I don't eat starchy foods without other foods).
I tried very low-carbing, but I experienced liver dumps, so now I do
try to follow the current 1400 kcal American Diabetes Association diet
as closely as I can. I have to exercise, drink adequate water, and
limit some foods, but overall it has worked fine for me. We'll see how
the future plays out.

Chili's has an "Explosion" salad with chicken, corn, black beans, and
tortilla strips that doesn't spike me at all, even hours later--I'm
always amazed.

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"pinecone" > wrote in message
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> Chili's has an "Explosion" salad with chicken, corn, black beans, and
> tortilla strips that doesn't spike me at all, even hours later--I'm
> always amazed.



It probably has enough fiber to blunt the spike, so you are getting no more
at one time than you can handle.

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pinecone > wrote in message
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> "Now tell me, what are you doing to control the diabetes?
> You don't control diabetes by counting calories."


I don't count calories.
I count carbs.

I have found that if I limit my carbs to about 100 gms a day then my
diabetes is in control.

I try to limit my meals to about 30 carbs.
I eat a bedtime snack of about 6 carbs.

Those limits are right for me.
Someone else may have to raise or lower the carbs according to the results
of their blood meter. My doctor says that to be in control my fasting
readings should be between 90 and 120.

PJ




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You might benefit from reading Jennifer's advice on this web page.

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm

PJ


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PJ, I'll try to say it another way, since you've asked your question
twice. The latest American Diabetes Association program presented by
my diabetes educator uses servings in specific food groups that vary
slightly from the American Dietetics Association groups. It doesn't
focus specifically on numbers of carbs OR calories. It is easier for
me personally to follow--for whatever reason. It was recommended by my
diabetes educator, and controls my sugar.

If one wishes to lose weight using this method, they focus on the lower
end (which amounts to cutting calories without actually counting them).
I've indeed read and re-read Jennifer's page, and I've found it to be
very informative (and I pick up details each time). In fact, I read
anything and everything I can find on diabetes!

I know there are some real anti-ADA people on this board, but
ultimately, after a lot of experimentation, I've found I do better
following their latest program. When I follow the so-called 1400
calorie program (I'm small to begin with) I lose weight. But it
doesn't show the numbers of calories--it still just focuses on numbers
of servings.

I think that we all need to find what is easiest to fit into our lives,
and I've finally settled on this as the easiest way for me.

pc

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As long as your fasting numbers are 120 or less and your readings 2 hours
after eating are 140 or less then you are doing ok. If your hba1c is less
then 7 you are ok.

Low carbing does it for me.

If your method does it for you then you don't have a problem.

PJ




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