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Old 04-05-2005, 06:08 AM
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The problem is I am very overweight. I am 6'2" and weighed in last
thursday at 283. And I have small bones. That is the reason for the
low fat diet. Plus, type 2 diabetes can be cured with weight loss
and exercise. I am doing both.




Cured? No... but it *can* be controlled.

Sherry

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Old 04-05-2005, 06:10 AM
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Sherry wrote:
"EwwHww" wrote in
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The problem is I am very overweight. I am 6'2" and weighed in last
thursday at 283. And I have small bones. That is the reason for the
low fat diet. Plus, type 2 diabetes can be cured with weight loss
and exercise. I am doing both.




Cured? No... but it *can* be controlled.

Sherry


Type 2 can be cured. Type 1 can be also, but it takes God right now to do
it. Once the weight is off, the blood pressure is down and the Diabetes type
2 is gone. That is cured. Of course, one could have a relapse, but only if
they neglect their diet and exercise.

ewwhww


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Old 04-05-2005, 06:14 AM
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Alan S wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2005 22:54:49 -0500, "EwwHww"
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Priscilla Ballou wrote:
Not enough fat. Not *nearly* enough fat.

Priscilla


I am too fat as it is. LOL


Don't like many, confuse body fat with the fat you eat.
To put it simplistically, your body fat is stored unused
energy. You got that energy from all the food you ate - not
just the fat.


Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.


I was being silly. LOL My brother Danny had heart surgery, and he needed to
lose weight. The doctor told me that eating low fat food alone was not
enough. He said that all extra calories would turn into fat. The idea was to
take in less calories than was being expended. And to exercise so that the
body used the fat cells instead of muscle cells. If the body starts feeding
of muscle cells the metabolism goes down, and then you could be in worse
shape than you were before seeing that it takes less food to sustain the
same weight mass.

ewwhww



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Old 04-05-2005, 06:28 AM
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On Wed, 4 May 2005 00:10:48 -0500, "EwwHww"
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Type 2 can be cured. Type 1 can be also, but it takes God right now to do
it. Once the weight is off, the blood pressure is down and the Diabetes type
2 is gone. That is cured. Of course, one could have a relapse, but only if
they neglect their diet and exercise.

ewwhww


I hope you are ready for some flak Wayne.

Type 2, as of this moment, cannot be cured. You had better
learn to accept that you now have an incurable disease
(condition if you prefer).

However, it can be managed, treated, or controlled. For some
people it can even be controlled so well that they may think
they are cured. They are not; they are just well controlled.

Weight loss will assist control, and is very important IMO,
but it does not cure. We have a lot of posters here who have
successfully lost weight - but still need meds or insulin,
or, like me, cannot eat cereal for breakfast without a
spike. Also, like me, they cannot relax control for a few
months without the A1c rising again. That is not a relapse,
it is simply diminished control - or progression.

Be very careful in the words you use; some here take them
very literally.

I'll let the type 1s talk about cures there. Where god
enters the cure controversy, I'm not sure. Death cures all
ills.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
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Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:09 PM
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 21:28:44 -0500, "EwwHww" wrote:

You aren't getting anywhere near enough fat You're eating almost
none at all, bad idea.


I have enough on my body. LOL Seriously, I am getting rid of my excess fat
as fast as I can.


You still need dietary fats. Your body processes different fats
differently, and you need combinations to remain healthy. Don't just make
stuff up on your own, go to a nutritionist to make sure that you're getting
everything you actually *need*.

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I ain't afraid of your Allah
I ain't afraid of your Jesus
I'm afraid of what ya do in the name of your god"
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 12:53:46 +1000, Alan S
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At the risk of being told not to give medical advice -


*chuckle* So Pax means making snide barbs in other posts?

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I ain't afraid of your Allah
I ain't afraid of your Jesus
I'm afraid of what ya do in the name of your god"
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:11 PM
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I ran your menu through Fitday to get the nutritional breakdown. This
menu comes out to around 500 calories -- way too little for healthy
weight loss.

You don't say if you're taking any supplements, but this diet is
missing a lot of nutrients (vitamin E and calcium being two major ones)
as well as sufficient fiber. And it would be preferable to avoid
processed meats like hot dogs that contain nitrates.

The remaining question is, what is this doing to your blood glucose?
Not that I would recommend staying on this diet, but what are your
fasting and post-meal numbers?

I can understand being in a hurry to get to a healthy weight, but in my
opinion, this is not the way to do it. If I were in your shoes, I would
do some major reading up on nutrition and weight loss and perhaps
consult a nutritionist. And a lot of folks in alt.support.diabetes can
help with advice. In the end, though, you've got to find out what is
best for you. Don't forget that losing weight is not the only aim of
your diet. You also want to control your BG and provide your body with
the nutrients it needs to stay healthy.

Also, please understand that losing weight will not "cure" type 2
diabetes. Anyone who says it will is probably selling something. You
have diabetes because you have a genetic predisposition to it. Being
overweight may bring it on at a younger age and exacerbate its
progression once it develops, but only in those of us who have the
genes for it. NOT that you shouldn't lose weight -- it is definitely
beneficial to the management of the disease -- but it is something
you'll need to think about for the long term.

Good luck,
anka
t2, dx 3/04, HbA1c 5.3
ntg, dx 7/04, trabs ou
At the beep, the blood glucose reading is.... 112.


EwwHww wrote:
Breakfast: 3 egg whites and 1 fat free hot dog fried in Pam.
Sprinkle just a little non fat shredded cheddar
1 Jalape=F1o Pepper
(cook like a skillet omelet)
1 cup decaff coffee (if you can take caffeine then

go for
it)

Lunch: 1/2 cup salad mix (the cheap kind)
1/6 cup fat free shredded cheddar cheese
2 teaspoons no fat dressing with splenda
1 can Diet Rite

Supper: 4 ounces lean Top Sirloin (grilled)
1/2 cup frozen spinach
1/2 cup frozen green beans
1 can Diet Rite or 2 cups of Good Tea (No

caffeine if
needed)
and flavor with your favorite sugar substitute.


What do you think? I also recommend drinking 8 glasses of water a

day too.=20


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On Wed, 04 May 2005 11:10:25 GMT, Siobhan Perricone
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 12:53:46 +1000, Alan S
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At the risk of being told not to give medical advice -


*chuckle* So Pax means making snide barbs in other posts?


Hi Siobhan

Fair enough. It wasn't meant to be snide or a barb - note
the sig that was used. However, in hindsight I can see that
it could be taken that way.

I started with a longish reply, then cut it. I may have a
friendly chat, if you wish, in a seperate thread on "medical
advice" via usenet.

I would never follow the advice of a stranger without using
all available means, including my medical advisors if
appropriate, to check it. I post on the assumption that
others do the same.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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I was being silly. LOL My brother Danny had heart surgery, and he needed

to
lose weight. The doctor told me that eating low fat food alone was not
enough. He said that all extra calories would turn into fat. The idea was

to
take in less calories than was being expended. And to exercise so that the
body used the fat cells instead of muscle cells. If the body starts

feeding
of muscle cells the metabolism goes down, and then you could be in worse
shape than you were before seeing that it takes less food to sustain the
same weight mass.



You need to get adequate protein to keep from losing much muscle mass, if
you eat too much protein it can raise your BG, if you eat too much food at
once it can raise your BG, if you don't eat often enough it can raise your
BG, carbs are generally the worst as far as BG. You need to eat when you
are hungry, but choose wisely. When you eat carbs you need to have protein
and fat along with them to moderate how fast they hit your bloodstream and
to keep you from feeling too hungry again too fast.

If you don't get enough fat your body will try much harder to hold onto what
you have. What you want to do is figure what weight you want to be,165? and
multiply by 10 or 12, 1650-1980, might be a good range for calories to
support that weight, if you said how much weight you need to lose to get
there, I missed it. I wouldn't aim for more than 1 or 2 pounds per week,
more than that can slow your metabolism. Muscle mass and metabolism are
your friends, try to support them and supply their needs.

Probably in the neighborhood of 100 grams of protein every day would be
about right, if you stick to 30 grams of carb, that gives you 130*4=520
calories, that leaves 1130-1460 calories you need to get from fat, or
125-160 grams or so of fat. The first part of the weight you lose will be
mostly water, if after the first couple of weeks, you are losing faster than
1 or 2 lbs per week, I would up the calories a little, if you are losing
less than 1 lb per week, I would lower the calories a little or increase
exercise, or both. A 500 calorie deficit per day will equal 1 lb per week.

You want to try to get the most nutrition from what you do eat as you can,
look for a variety of veggies and berries to get the most from your limited
# of carbs. It has been found that you need to eat fat with your veggies
for your body to be able to get to the nutrients in the veggies. Fat as in
butter, olive oil, regular dressing, or vinegar and oil dressing, or dip
raw veggies in ranch dip or guacamole. When eating plain yogurt it is said
that you only need to count 4 of the 12 grams of carb per cup of plain
yogurt because the rest has been converted to lactic acid, you can
artificially sweeten and add flavorings if you like. There are studies that
show people eating yogurt lose more weight than people who don't. Also
subtract fiber grams from carb grams when you are adding up your daily
carbs. The fats you need to skew towards are things like nuts, avocados,
olives, and fish, but do get some egg yolks, they are chock full of
vitamins.

www.fitday.com or something like that can help you estimate how many
calories you are expending and help keep track of your calories and
nutrients. You may want to check out news:alt.support.diet.low-carb and
news:alt.support.diabetes (watch out for the trolls) there is a lot of info
available, along with more than the usual number of villains and fools.

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"EwwHww" wrote in
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Type 2 can be cured. Type 1 can be also, but it takes God right now
to do it. Once the weight is off, the blood pressure is down and the
Diabetes type 2 is gone. That is cured. Of course, one could have a
relapse, but only if they neglect their diet and exercise.

ewwhww


If you can have a relapse, then the condition has not been cured. Think
of relapsing-remitting type of Multiple Sclerosis. There is no cure,
progression can stop and symptoms abate, but the victim is a time-bomb
- the MS can flare up again at any time..... He *still* has MS - it's
just in a quiescence stage.

Sherry
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Alan S wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2005 00:10:48 -0500, "EwwHww"
wrote:


Type 2 can be cured. Type 1 can be also, but it takes God right now
to do it. Once the weight is off, the blood pressure is down and the
Diabetes type 2 is gone. That is cured. Of course, one could have a
relapse, but only if they neglect their diet and exercise.

ewwhww


I hope you are ready for some flak Wayne.

Type 2, as of this moment, cannot be cured. You had better
learn to accept that you now have an incurable disease
(condition if you prefer).

However, it can be managed, treated, or controlled. For some
people it can even be controlled so well that they may think
they are cured. They are not; they are just well controlled.


You are mistaken, but then you can believe what you want.



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"EwwHww" wrote in
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Well, I have been on this low fat, low carb, low calorie diet since
last Thursday, and no binge eating. Of course, I do have the Holy
Spirit and prayed to be healed. Also, I have others praying for me.
I feel the sweet presence of the Lord while I write this.

ewwhww



Comments from a Christian here....

You're not taking good care of the temple with this diet you're on. If
you're not careful, you'll be *in* the sweet presence of the Lord.

Sherry


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