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"Todd" > wrote in message
... > Hi All, > > We've all been very quiet lately. Is everyone on > vacation? > > I finally perfected my Coconut Pancakes and wanted > to post it, but if no one is there to read it, I will wait. > > -T I'm here, just not much to post, but would like to see your recipe. Cheri |
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Sure, Although coconut is very much healthy. It has benefits like Improves Digestion, Improves Heart Health and also hair strong, Prevent Obesity, and boost up energy etc.,
I have one simple sweet recipe using coconut milling dish names as "Cocunut Barfi". Ingredients are simple: Sugar 50grms, Cardamom-3, One whole cocounut milling and 2 tsps ghee. Thats it. Method: Heat ghee, add cardamom powder, pour 2 glass of water let to boil, add sugar into it make it boil for 2 minutes then add coconut miller stir well until it get sticky swith off flame and let it cool place or keep it freezer so that consistency get solid after one hour you could cut them into pieces then have it tastes sooo great and sweet with cardamom aroma smell. And quite healthy as above said. Of course childrens are very much fond of it. Note for diabetics, instead of sugar, You can use sugar free like honey. If you prefer the taste of honey, go ahead and use it — but only in moderation. Be sure to count the carbohydrates in honey as part of your diabetes eating plan. |
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On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:19:07 -0400
Susan > wrote: > We took a drive out east yesterday and I bought 2 local grass fed T > bones, and two fabulous new cheeses from a wonderful purveyor, my new > favorite is called Zimbro: > http://www.specialtyfood.com/news-tr...a-lusa-zimbro/ > > Perfectly ripened and tastes offered from a room temp wheel. Any young cheese drives my BG through the roof for days. The cheese has to have *zero* lactose for me to eat it without problems. That means at least several months of age. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > ................ > > Here, I brown the hamburger with onions and garlic, remove from the pan, > get rid of a lot of the grease left in the pan, make a milk/cream gravy, > return the meat and that's it. In the old days, I would add peas and corn > and serve on mashed potatoes or bread. Yesterday I had it over scrambled > eggs and it was good. LOL, I hear you about the pie...same thing here with > the quiche too. > > Cheri Yes, this is really good, comfort food as it should be, add peas or chilis or not; some cheese maybe, whatever is there and right, then I would use it as a testing ground for the latest hot sauces I've picked up and not tried yet; a vast variety of bread/rolls. Nice, this is labor day stuff I really appreciate. Thanks. pavane |
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"clinicaltrials" > wrote in message . .. > > Sure, Although coconut is very much healthy. It has benefits like > Improves Digestion, Improves Heart Health and also hair strong, Prevent > Obesity, and boost up energy etc., > > I have one simple sweet recipe using coconut milling dish names as > "Cocunut Barfi". Ingredients are simple: Sugar 50grms, Cardamom-3, One > whole cocounut milling and 2 tsps ghee. Thats it. > > Method: Heat ghee, add cardamom powder, pour 2 glass of water let to > boil, add sugar into it make it boil for 2 minutes then add coconut > miller stir well until it get sticky swith off flame and let it cool > place or keep it freezer so that consistency get solid after one hour > you could cut them into pieces then have it tastes sooo great and sweet > with cardamom aroma smell. And quite healthy as above said. Of course > childrens are very much fond of it. > > Note for diabetics, instead of sugar, You can use sugar free like honey. > If you prefer the taste of honey, go ahead and use it - but only in > moderation. Be sure to count the carbohydrates in honey as part of your > diabetes eating plan. Uh... Honey is no better for diabetics than sugar! |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > Here, I brown the hamburger with onions and garlic, remove from the pan, > get rid of a lot of the grease left in the pan, make a milk/cream gravy, > return the meat and that's it. In the old days, I would add peas and corn > and serve on mashed potatoes or bread. Yesterday I had it over scrambled > eggs and it was good. LOL, I hear you about the pie...same thing here with > the quiche too. My mom made it similar to yours but no onions or garlic. Served over mashed potatoes or if we had none, in a bowl and called meat soup. Since I can't have the milk or cream, I use beef broth instead and I add both celery and onions. It isn't something that I make often since I seem to be the only one in the house who really likes it. I have served it over green beans. |
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On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 22:48:32 -0700
"Julie Bove" > wrote: > > Note for diabetics, instead of sugar, You can use sugar free like > > honey. If you prefer the taste of honey, go ahead and use it - but > > only in moderation. Be sure to count the carbohydrates in honey as > > part of your diabetes eating plan. > > Uh... Honey is no better for diabetics than sugar! Good point. Lots of people try to fool themselves to think some "natural" sugar is OK for them. It isn't. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
... > > "Cheri" > wrote in message > ... >> Here, I brown the hamburger with onions and garlic, remove from the pan, >> get rid of a lot of the grease left in the pan, make a milk/cream gravy, >> return the meat and that's it. In the old days, I would add peas and corn >> and serve on mashed potatoes or bread. Yesterday I had it over scrambled >> eggs and it was good. LOL, I hear you about the pie...same thing here >> with the quiche too. > > My mom made it similar to yours but no onions or garlic. Served over > mashed potatoes or if we had none, in a bowl and called meat soup. > > Since I can't have the milk or cream, I use beef broth instead and I add > both celery and onions. It isn't something that I make often since I seem > to be the only one in the house who really likes it. I have served it > over green beans. I haven't had it for a very long time, one of those things that I continue to eat until it's gone. It's gone now. :-) Cheri |
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"Cheri" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Cheri" > wrote in message > ... >> Here, I brown the hamburger with onions and garlic, remove from the >> pan, get rid of a lot of the grease left in the pan, make a >> milk/cream gravy, return the meat and that's it. In the old days, I >> would add peas and corn and serve on mashed potatoes or bread. >> Yesterday I had it over scrambled eggs and it was good. LOL, I hear >> you about the pie...same thing here with the quiche too. > > My mom made it similar to yours but no onions or garlic. Served over > mashed potatoes or if we had none, in a bowl and called meat soup. > > Since I can't have the milk or cream, I use beef broth instead and I > add both celery and onions. It isn't something that I make often > since I seem to be the only one in the house who really likes it. I > have served it over green beans. I haven't had it for a very long time, one of those things that I continue to eat until it's gone. It's gone now. :-) Cheri ------ Did you have it all over eggs or did you vary it? I like that kind of food over broccoli. I cook the broccoli so it is still crisp then cut it smaller. Cutting it first makes it harder to keep the crispness, especially if you are like me and get easily distracted It is also nice between two slices of low carb bread toasted in a sandwich maker that seals the filling inside the bread. I only own a George Foreman and a sandwich press these days so can't do that. |
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"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
... > > > "Cheri" wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Here, I brown the hamburger with onions and garlic, remove from the pan, >>> get rid of a lot of the grease left in the pan, make a milk/cream gravy, >>> return the meat and that's it. In the old days, I would add peas and >>> corn and serve on mashed potatoes or bread. Yesterday I had it over >>> scrambled eggs and it was good. LOL, I hear you about the pie...same >>> thing here with the quiche too. >> >> My mom made it similar to yours but no onions or garlic. Served over >> mashed potatoes or if we had none, in a bowl and called meat soup. >> >> Since I can't have the milk or cream, I use beef broth instead and I add >> both celery and onions. It isn't something that I make often since I >> seem to be the only one in the house who really likes it. I have served >> it over green beans. > > > I haven't had it for a very long time, one of those things that I continue > to eat until it's gone. It's gone now. :-) > > Cheri > > ------ > > Did you have it all over eggs or did you vary it? I like that kind of food > over broccoli. I cook the broccoli so it is still crisp then cut it > smaller. Cutting it first makes it harder to keep the crispness, > especially if you are like me and get easily distracted It is also nice > between two slices of low carb bread toasted in a sandwich maker that > seals the filling inside the bread. I only own a George Foreman and a > sandwich press these days so can't do that. I had it over scrambled eggs the first day, then just by itself the next few times. ;-) DH had it with potatoes and then over large buttered hamburger buns. I use a can of condensed milk, probably a quarter cup of cream, and water. I do go ahead and use flour to thicken the gravy since I only make this every couple of years for a special occasion like Labor Day Weekend (that way I can do three days) Cheri |
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"Trawley Trash" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 22:48:32 -0700 > "Julie Bove" > wrote: > >> > Note for diabetics, instead of sugar, You can use sugar free like >> > honey. If you prefer the taste of honey, go ahead and use it - but >> > only in moderation. Be sure to count the carbohydrates in honey as >> > part of your diabetes eating plan. >> >> Uh... Honey is no better for diabetics than sugar! > > Good point. Lots of people try to fool themselves to think some > "natural" sugar is OK for them. It isn't. I was just floored at what I read at a celiac forum. This person was upset because a certain restaurant chain has a gluten free menu but has a disclaimer on it that it might not be suitable for celiacs because they can't guarantee that there is no cross contamination. The person went on to ask if it used to be like this for diabetics who dined out. I think some of the others were just as floored as me by this one. Seemed to me that the person was one of those many who think something horrible will happen to use if we get sugar in our food. I guess I shouldn't be floored. I myself was one who used to think that. It's a very common myth and I don't know how it got started. |
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 02:08:51 -0700
"Julie Bove" > wrote: > > "Trawley Trash" > wrote in message > ... > > On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 22:48:32 -0700 > > "Julie Bove" > wrote: > > > >> > Note for diabetics, instead of sugar, You can use sugar free like > >> > honey. If you prefer the taste of honey, go ahead and use it - > >> > but only in moderation. Be sure to count the carbohydrates in > >> > honey as part of your diabetes eating plan. > >> > >> Uh... Honey is no better for diabetics than sugar! > > > > Good point. Lots of people try to fool themselves to think some > > "natural" sugar is OK for them. It isn't. > > I was just floored at what I read at a celiac forum. This person was > upset because a certain restaurant chain has a gluten free menu but > has a disclaimer on it that it might not be suitable for celiacs > because they can't guarantee that there is no cross contamination. > The person went on to ask if it used to be like this for diabetics > who dined out. I think some of the others were just as floored as me > by this one. Seemed to me that the person was one of those many who > think something horrible will happen to use if we get sugar in our > food. I guess I shouldn't be floored. I myself was one who used to > think that. It's a very common myth and I don't know how it got > started. For me it is true. Most sugar including table sugar, honey, maple syrup and so on is about half fructose. My tolerance for fructose is about half a gram per day. More than this does something horrible to my BG regulation. This effect is out of all proportion to the carb count. As long as I completely avoid fructose and (ga)lactose, I do not need anything else to control BG. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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Trawley Trash wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:19:07 -0400 > Susan > wrote: > >> We took a drive out east yesterday and I bought 2 local grass fed T >> bones, and two fabulous new cheeses from a wonderful purveyor, my new >> favorite is called Zimbro: >> http://www.specialtyfood.com/news-tr...a-lusa-zimbro/ >> >> Perfectly ripened and tastes offered from a room temp wheel. > > Any young cheese drives my BG through the roof for days. The cheese > has to have *zero* lactose for me to eat it without problems. That > means at least several months of age. Working as a foot soldier in the campaign for the Storting[0] election coming up this weekend. However: After "Shock-headed Peter" in the afternoon DW and I went to a small restaurant for a snack and a glass of wine. The snack was baked Brie with glazed walnuts - served with drops of balsamico vinegar on the plate. Yum - and I took a chance that the honey glazing was not enough to matter. [0] parliament, congress, rijksdag ... |
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"Trawley Trash" > wrote in message news > On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 02:08:51 -0700 > "Julie Bove" > wrote: > >> >> "Trawley Trash" > wrote in message >> ... >> > On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 22:48:32 -0700 >> > "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> > >> >> > Note for diabetics, instead of sugar, You can use sugar free like >> >> > honey. If you prefer the taste of honey, go ahead and use it - >> >> > but only in moderation. Be sure to count the carbohydrates in >> >> > honey as part of your diabetes eating plan. >> >> >> >> Uh... Honey is no better for diabetics than sugar! >> > >> > Good point. Lots of people try to fool themselves to think some >> > "natural" sugar is OK for them. It isn't. >> >> I was just floored at what I read at a celiac forum. This person was >> upset because a certain restaurant chain has a gluten free menu but >> has a disclaimer on it that it might not be suitable for celiacs >> because they can't guarantee that there is no cross contamination. >> The person went on to ask if it used to be like this for diabetics >> who dined out. I think some of the others were just as floored as me >> by this one. Seemed to me that the person was one of those many who >> think something horrible will happen to use if we get sugar in our >> food. I guess I shouldn't be floored. I myself was one who used to >> think that. It's a very common myth and I don't know how it got >> started. > > For me it is true. Most sugar including table sugar, honey, maple > syrup and so on is about half fructose. My tolerance for fructose > is about half a gram per day. More than this does something horrible > to my BG regulation. This effect is out of all proportion to the > carb count. As long as I completely avoid fructose and (ga)lactose, > I do not need anything else to control BG. > > > But that only relates to you. Not to diabetes. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote: > > For me it is true. Most sugar including table sugar, honey, maple > > syrup and so on is about half fructose. My tolerance for fructose > > is about half a gram per day. More than this does something > > horrible to my BG regulation. This effect is out of all proportion > > to the carb count. As long as I completely avoid fructose and > > (ga)lactose, I do not need anything else to control BG. > > > > > > > But that only relates to you. Not to diabetes. It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you so sure that it only relates to me? -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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"Trawley Trash" > wrote in message
... > On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:33:06 -0700 > "Julie Bove" > wrote: > >> > For me it is true. Most sugar including table sugar, honey, maple >> > syrup and so on is about half fructose. My tolerance for fructose >> > is about half a gram per day. More than this does something >> > horrible to my BG regulation. This effect is out of all proportion >> > to the carb count. As long as I completely avoid fructose and >> > (ga)lactose, I do not need anything else to control BG. >> > >> > >> > >> But that only relates to you. Not to diabetes. > > It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you > so sure that it only relates to me? It relates to diabetes for most type 2's. Cheri |
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 04:11:00 -0700, Trawley Trash
> wrote: >On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:33:06 -0700 >"Julie Bove" > wrote: > >> > For me it is true. Most sugar including table sugar, honey, maple >> > syrup and so on is about half fructose. My tolerance for fructose >> > is about half a gram per day. More than this does something >> > horrible to my BG regulation. This effect is out of all proportion >> > to the carb count. As long as I completely avoid fructose and >> > (ga)lactose, I do not need anything else to control BG. >> > >> > >> > >> But that only relates to you. Not to diabetes. > > It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you > so sure that it only relates to me? Cancer goes into remission, diabetes does not. |
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"Trawley Trash" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:33:06 -0700 > "Julie Bove" > wrote: > >> > For me it is true. Most sugar including table sugar, honey, maple >> > syrup and so on is about half fructose. My tolerance for fructose >> > is about half a gram per day. More than this does something >> > horrible to my BG regulation. This effect is out of all proportion >> > to the carb count. As long as I completely avoid fructose and >> > (ga)lactose, I do not need anything else to control BG. >> > >> > >> > >> But that only relates to you. Not to diabetes. > > It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you > so sure that it only relates to me? Well... Because you are the only one ever that I have heard mention such a thing. So... You're telling me that you could eat unlimited amounts of sucrose or glucose and have no high BG? |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > "Trawley Trash" > wrote in message > ... >> On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:33:06 -0700 >> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> >>> > For me it is true. Most sugar including table sugar, honey, maple >>> > syrup and so on is about half fructose. My tolerance for fructose >>> > is about half a gram per day. More than this does something >>> > horrible to my BG regulation. This effect is out of all proportion >>> > to the carb count. As long as I completely avoid fructose and >>> > (ga)lactose, I do not need anything else to control BG. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> But that only relates to you. Not to diabetes. >> >> It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you >> so sure that it only relates to me? > > It relates to diabetes for most type 2's. Well it's news to me! Most diabetics have to watch all carbs. |
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"Bjørn Steensrud" > wrote in message ... > Trawley Trash wrote: > >> On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:19:07 -0400 >> Susan > wrote: >> >>> We took a drive out east yesterday and I bought 2 local grass fed T >>> bones, and two fabulous new cheeses from a wonderful purveyor, my new >>> favorite is called Zimbro: >>> http://www.specialtyfood.com/news-tr...a-lusa-zimbro/ >>> >>> Perfectly ripened and tastes offered from a room temp wheel. >> >> Any young cheese drives my BG through the roof for days. The cheese >> has to have *zero* lactose for me to eat it without problems. That >> means at least several months of age. > > Working as a foot soldier in the campaign for the Storting[0] election > coming up this weekend. > > However: After "Shock-headed Peter" in the afternoon DW and I went to a > small restaurant for a snack and a glass of wine. The snack was baked Brie > with glazed walnuts - served with drops of balsamico vinegar on the plate. > Yum - and I took a chance that the honey glazing was not enough to matter. > > [0] parliament, congress, rijksdag ... I tried a glazed walnut once. Had to spit it out. Appaerntly, sweetened nuts are not for me. I did like Beer Nuts as a kid but haven't tried them recently. |
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Bjørn Steensrud > wrote: > Trawley Trash wrote: > > > On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:19:07 -0400 > > Susan > wrote: > > > >> We took a drive out east yesterday and I bought 2 local grass fed T > >> bones, and two fabulous new cheeses from a wonderful purveyor, my > >> new favorite is called Zimbro: > >> http://www.specialtyfood.com/news-tr...a-lusa-zimbro/ > >> > >> Perfectly ripened and tastes offered from a room temp wheel. > > > > Any young cheese drives my BG through the roof for days. The > > cheese has to have *zero* lactose for me to eat it without > > problems. That means at least several months of age. > > Working as a foot soldier in the campaign for the Storting[0] > election coming up this weekend. > > However: After "Shock-headed Peter" in the afternoon DW and I went to > a small restaurant for a snack and a glass of wine. The snack was > baked Brie with glazed walnuts - served with drops of balsamico > vinegar on the plate. Yum - and I took a chance that the honey > glazing was not enough to matter. > > [0] parliament, congress, rijksdag ... > So what is your a1c? How much insulin do you take? -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote: > > It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you > > so sure that it only relates to me? > > Well... Because you are the only one ever that I have heard mention > such a thing. So... You're telling me that you could eat unlimited > amounts of sucrose or glucose and have no high BG? The problem here is that you need to understand a little chemistry. Sucrose is a disaccharide composed of two simple sugars: glucose and fructose. When you eat sucrose, you are eating glucose and fructose. Similarly lactose is composed of glucose and galactose. Glucose is absorbed into the blood and metabolized by every cell in your body. Fructose and galactose are metabolized by the liver, and our tolerance for these depends on how much of certain enzymes we have. This tolerance is highly individual. I don't claim to eat *unlimited* glucose or anything else. There is such a thing as too much. But even small amounts of fructose or galactose give me trouble. Normally tolerance for fructose declines as we age. Adults cannot tolerate sugar the way children do. But over the last century we have gradually increased the amount of fructose in our diet to the point that even children can become type II. That is my working theory at the moment. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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DonOpple0paad > wrote: > > It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you > > so sure that it only relates to me? > > > Cancer goes into remission, diabetes does not. That is what my doctor told me. When my a1c dropped from 11.1 to 5.4 he made a career decision. He now works in emergency treating trauma. The doctor who replaced him won't even talk about diabetes. This morning my FBG is 94. I don't take any drugs or count calores or carbs. I found those no fructose casaba melons that I was asking about a year ago in a local market. Had a nice big slice just before bed. It was delicious. If it had been honeydew or cantaloupe, my FBG would be in the diabetic range right now. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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: "Trawley Trash" > wrote in message : ... : > On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:33:06 -0700 : > "Julie Bove" > wrote: : > : >> > For me it is true. Most sugar including table sugar, honey, maple : >> > syrup and so on is about half fructose. My tolerance for fructose : >> > is about half a gram per day. More than this does something : >> > horrible to my BG regulation. This effect is out of all proportion : >> > to the carb count. As long as I completely avoid fructose and : >> > (ga)lactose, I do not need anything else to control BG. : >> > : >> > : >> > : >> But that only relates to you. Not to diabetes. : > : > It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you : > so sure that it only relates to me? : Well... Because you are the only one ever that I have heard mention such a : thing. So... You're telling me that you could eat unlimited amounts of : sucrose or glucose and have no high BG? What about Ozgirl? she seems to be now. Wendy |
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"W. Baker" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove > wrote: > > : "Trawley Trash" > wrote in message > : ... > : > On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:33:06 -0700 > : > "Julie Bove" > wrote: > : > > : >> > For me it is true. Most sugar including table sugar, honey, maple > : >> > syrup and so on is about half fructose. My tolerance for fructose > : >> > is about half a gram per day. More than this does something > : >> > horrible to my BG regulation. This effect is out of all proportion > : >> > to the carb count. As long as I completely avoid fructose and > : >> > (ga)lactose, I do not need anything else to control BG. > : >> > > : >> > > : >> > > : >> But that only relates to you. Not to diabetes. > : > > : > It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you > : > so sure that it only relates to me? > > : Well... Because you are the only one ever that I have heard mention > such a > : thing. So... You're telling me that you could eat unlimited amounts of > : sucrose or glucose and have no high BG? > > What about Ozgirl? she seems to be now. She can eat more carbs now but I don't know that she can eat specifically more of those. |
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Todd > wrote: > On 09/07/2013 04:27 PM, Todd wrote: > > On 09/07/2013 04:19 AM, Trawley Trash wrote: > >> This morning my FBG is 94. I don't take any drugs or > >> count calores or carbs. I found those no fructose > >> casaba melons > > > > Cool. I wonder the effect on regular t2'? > > > > > > http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...-juices/1955/2 > > 1 cup cubes, 11 grams 11 grams of *sugar*. According to Loren Cordain's site none of that sugar is fructose. The grower describes the melon as having a "subtle sweetness". That is what glucose tastes like. All the sweeter melons have fructose. Also be aware that there are other varieties called casaba. I found this out when I tried to find some seeds. Lots of casaba melon seeds out there, but they were not the same variety. The melons I found are grown commercially in Turlock California. Had many arguments with my parents when I was young. They could not understand why I would not eat cantaloupe and honeydew. They made me feel ill. > Okay, perhaps with a couple fried eggs and a slice or > two or three or four or five of bacon. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 20:47:00 -0700
Todd > wrote: > On 09/07/2013 08:05 PM, Trawley Trash wrote: > > The melons I found are grown commercially in Turlock California. > > Had many arguments with my parents when I was young. They could > > not understand why I would not eat cantaloupe and honeydew. They > > made me feel ill. > > Thank you! > > You wouldn't happebd to have the botanical name for them? Unfortunately taxonomy is not up to the task here. Wikipedia says they are Cucumis melo Inodorus. Honeydew and crenshaw are also the same species, but they have too much fructose. This is a general problem when dealing with food crops. One species name applies to a number of different varieties and seemingly different fruits or vegetables. Within the species these different products are hybridized to produce new crops. Most commonly newer *sweeter* crops with more fructose. The melons are grown commercially in southern California. They are common in supermarkets there, and the melons are exported all over the southwest. Loren Cordain is from Utah, so that is probably the variety he tested. I had not seen them in Washington state until last week, and there were only a few of them mixed in with other varieties. The melons are wrinkled yellow skin with traces of green. Inside the flesh is white with some pale green near the rind. Scientific nomenclature is not adequate to deal with domesticated crops or animals. Almost every kind of bean you can think of is phaseolus vulagris. Broccoli is actually a cabbage. Fructose content also varies with growing conditions. Even if I am right, just switching to these melons will not do much for your diabetes. You have to eliminate all sources of fructose and galactose. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:09:42 +1000
"Ozgirl" > wrote: > Thanks Wendy. Bit perplexed about "Not always a good thing" and "It > doesn't make it healthy normal" comments though. They don't seem > applicable to the conversation. As a clarifier (I can see Trawley's > post) I do indeed eat fructose every day. Some days, especially in > summer I might eat about 6 pieces of fruit because I love summer > fruit At the moment I am enjoying strawberries, generally have > them with some coconut yoghurt as a snack. To clarify my position a bit, I don't claim that fructose causes *everyone* problems. Only that it causes a significant percentage problems. Both fructose and galactose can cause problems. Humans lived in an environment where these sugars were not common for a million years or more. So there was no natural selection pressure to have adequate amounts of liver enzymes to metabolize them. Now we are adding increasing amounts of dairy products and sugar to our diet, and many people are unable to tolerate the amounts we consume today. Some are intolerant of galactose, and some are intolerant of fructose. I am lucky enough to be intolerant of both. This is in addition to the digestive issues that nutritionists know about: fructose malabsorption and lactose intolerance. I notice that you use coconut yogurt. Are you avoiding dairy? There is considerable overlap between low carb and what I am suggesting. Wheat and barley contain fructans and beans contain galactose. Those who go low carb cutting out sugar, pasta, bread, and beans are following my suggestions whether they realize it or not. Potatoes are the closest to pure starch, and I eat a fair amount of them. Plain white rice should work in theory, but I began having trouble with it about the same time they changed the enrichment process so that the enrichment would not wash off. Cooked and fermented foods have reduced amounts of these sugars. When I was young it seemed like everyone in their sixties insisted on *cooking* their fruit. Fructose is not as stable as glucose, and it begins to decompose even below boiling. This is why baked apples are not as sweet as fresh. But these days everything is processed, and when they cook fruit for processing they always add extra sugar to make it sweet again. Not as many people cook for themselves today as in those days. Many lack access to adequate kitchens. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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"Trawley Trash" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:09:42 +1000 "Ozgirl" > wrote: > Thanks Wendy. Bit perplexed about "Not always a good thing" and "It > doesn't make it healthy normal" comments though. They don't seem > applicable to the conversation. As a clarifier (I can see Trawley's > post) I do indeed eat fructose every day. Some days, especially in > summer I might eat about 6 pieces of fruit because I love summer > fruit At the moment I am enjoying strawberries, generally have > them with some coconut yoghurt as a snack. To clarify my position a bit, I don't claim that fructose causes *everyone* problems. Only that it causes a significant percentage problems. Both fructose and galactose can cause problems. Humans lived in an environment where these sugars were not common for a million years or more. So there was no natural selection pressure to have adequate amounts of liver enzymes to metabolize them. Now we are adding increasing amounts of dairy products and sugar to our diet, and many people are unable to tolerate the amounts we consume today. Some are intolerant of galactose, and some are intolerant of fructose. I am lucky enough to be intolerant of both. This is in addition to the digestive issues that nutritionists know about: fructose malabsorption and lactose intolerance. I notice that you use coconut yogurt. Are you avoiding dairy? ---------------------------------------------- I discovered coconut yoghurt by chance and tried it. I love it Too much milk does cause me gut problems but I don't avoid dairy altogether. So a taste preference really. --------------------------------------------- |
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"Ozgirl" > wrote in message ... > Jazzy is entitled to stay at school until her 18th birthday year (next > year). Her school will apply to the dept of ed for extensions of 2 years > if needed for whatever reason. Typically it is for kids who won't suit > workshop post-school. I am going to apply for the extension as she is > quite the handful at home and if she doesn't suit workshop then she will > be home all day every day. She makes lots of food and toilet-type messes > but yesterday was pretty harrowing. She refused to get on the bus to come > home, had to go and pick her up. After lots of coercion got her into my > car. Took me ten minutes to get her out of my car at home, then she got > away from me as we got onto the road. There were no cars coming coming but > I asked her to stop, she stopped dead and dropped to the ground as I was > hurrying to catch her. As a result I went straight over the top of her and > face-planted on the road I had a dentist appt and left her with the > boys (bad mistake). I had my dry oats on the bench ready to eat when I got > home. She took them in her room, chewed them all up and spat them > everywhere so second time in one day had to change and wash the bedding, > sweep and wash the floor. I will continue to get carer's Pension whilst > ever she lives with me (it's the same amount as old age pension but more > than unemployment benefits). She gets a part disability pension, it goes > up $50 more per fortnight on her 18th birthday and then she gets full > pension at age 21. I am going to apply for extension of child support > until she turns 21 as well. This morning she has been a lamb, co-operated > all the way from bed to toilet to bath and breakfast was fairly neat and > tidy, lol. Got her dressed and she did her ablutions (ritualistic), let me > actually do her hair so she didn't look like something the cat dragged in > Then sat and waited for the bus. As time goes by I may have to live > with one of my daughters but at present I am handling it. lol, my son's > girlfriend bought one of her school-mates to meet me yesterday afternoon > and her first impression was me face-planting on the road Wow, what a mess! And here I was feeling sorry for myself because we had no Internet. It is such a part of our lives, we can't seem to live without it. The school went bookless and all of the work is online. They do make exceptions for those who truly can't get the Internet. They are allowed to take books. But that doesn't apply to us. So Angela had to get to school even earlier to borrow a book to do her homework. Just today, three different people told me to go online and ____. I had to reply that I could not. Frontier had not come out to fix it so Angela and I took to bed for a nap. I woke up and found it on. Yay! Then I tried to get her up to eat dinner so she can go to dance. She was exhausted. But once I mentioned that we had Internet, she was right up! We weren't totally without because we do have Smartphones but she couldn't do the homework because it needs the Adobe whatever it is and that's not supported on the phone. |
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"Ozgirl" > wrote in message ... > I discovered coconut yoghurt by chance and tried it. I love it Too much > milk does cause me gut problems but I don't avoid dairy altogether. So a > taste preference really. Angela loved it too but then she developed the coconut intolerance. Seems many of her favorite foods and drinks had coconut in them. She loved the coconut water too. Blech. |
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:33:38 +1000
"Ozgirl" > wrote: > I discovered coconut yoghurt by chance and tried it. I love it Too > much milk does cause me gut problems but I don't avoid dairy > altogether. So a taste preference really. Looking at your whole list, your diet isn't bad by my standards. I don't see much sugar: only a little bit added to a sweet potato. I am sometimes able to tolerate more sugar when I add cinnamon. Strawberries have less fructose than most fruits; I still eat a few myself (without sugar). The only dairy was a bit of cottage cheese. The summer fruit is only there for a short time, and this problem only occurs with regular ingestion after several weeks. I don't see any ice cream, soft drinks, or candy. My FBG would probably stay under 110 with this, but I am trying to keep it under 90. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:33:43 -0700
"Julie Bove" > wrote: > > "Ozgirl" > wrote in message > ... > > > I discovered coconut yoghurt by chance and tried it. I love it > > Too much milk does cause me gut problems but I don't avoid dairy > > altogether. So a taste preference really. > > Angela loved it too but then she developed the coconut intolerance. > Seems many of her favorite foods and drinks had coconut in them. She > loved the coconut water too. Blech. The way it seems to work with me is that I acquire an allergy to anything that I eat regularly that contains fructose. According to charts of fructose content, I could develop an allergy to coconut. The coconuts here are older and not as sweet as the ones in the charts, and they are so expensive here that I rarely eat fresh. What I use in coffee and tea is coconut cream, which is *cooked* coconut milk. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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I would probably have 1/2 a teaspoon or less of the cinnamon sugar. So
the sugar amount would be even less mixed with cinnamon. I gut a thick'ish slice of sweet potato cross-ways so like a medallion. Not a lot of surface to spice up If I was trying to manage bg's I would be 90 or less on this diet. "Trawley Trash" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:33:38 +1000 "Ozgirl" > wrote: > I discovered coconut yoghurt by chance and tried it. I love it Too > much milk does cause me gut problems but I don't avoid dairy > altogether. So a taste preference really. Looking at your whole list, your diet isn't bad by my standards. I don't see much sugar: only a little bit added to a sweet potato. I am sometimes able to tolerate more sugar when I add cinnamon. Strawberries have less fructose than most fruits; I still eat a few myself (without sugar). The only dairy was a bit of cottage cheese. The summer fruit is only there for a short time, and this problem only occurs with regular ingestion after several weeks. I don't see any ice cream, soft drinks, or candy. My FBG would probably stay under 110 with this, but I am trying to keep it under 90. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 22:05:13 +0200
Bjørn Steensrud > wrote: > >> However: After "Shock-headed Peter" in the afternoon DW and I went > >> to a small restaurant for a snack and a glass of wine. The snack > >> was baked Brie with glazed walnuts - served with drops of balsamico > >> vinegar on the plate. Yum - and I took a chance that the honey > >> glazing was not enough to matter. > >> > >> [0] parliament, congress, rijksdag ... > >> > > > > So what is your a1c? How much insulin do you take? > > > > Sorry - found this failed post in the spool. I wondered if I had > killfiled myself ... > > Last a1c was 5.7 if I recall correctly - and I'm type 2, no insulin, > 3 mg glimepiride daily. Fbg slightly above the diagnostic limit, 7.5 > this morning, recent exercise brought it down from 8.7 or so. I'd > like to keep it lower, but the dawn phenomenon seems to hit me :-) > > Anyway - no complications so far. Retinas OK, feet fine, no kidney > damage showing up in the blood work. Life is good. Wish I wasn't > looking over my shoulder for a certain Murphy to show up ... 7.5 is 135 the way we measure it here. That's too high, even for an after meal spike. I could be up there after a meal of young cheese and glazed walnuts. I was 83 yesterday and 95 this morning. I ate a loaf of commercial bread in the last two days. According to the fructose intolerance forum the problem with bread is actually the fructose. Yeast preferentially metabolizes glucose and leaves the fructose behind. Some sourdough breads are OK, because they have different microbes doing the rising. This particular "Seattle style" sourdough doesn't seem to be any worse than potatoes. Have to try this a few more times to be sure. I have not tested *cooked* cheese, and it could be that a cooked young cheese would be OK. I found a list of fast food meals with fructose content, and one major pizza chain seemed to be tolerably low. Over the last two weeks I have had three of them, and they don't seem to do anything bad. There isn't a lot of cheese in there though. So I have been able to expand my diet quite a bit by switching from low carb to low fructose/galactose. There is Murphy lurking there somewhere no doubt, and there there are Flale's corollaries in the innate animosity of inanimate objects to consider. Watch out for those. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 04:19:27 -0700, Trawley Trash
> wrote: >On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 21:58:12 -0500 >DonOpple0paad > wrote: > >> > It puts my type II diabetes in remission. What makes you >> > so sure that it only relates to me? >> >> >> Cancer goes into remission, diabetes does not. > > That is what my doctor told me. When my a1c dropped from > 11.1 to 5.4 he made a career decision. He now works in > emergency treating trauma. The doctor who replaced him > won't even talk about diabetes. > > This morning my FBG is 94. I don't take any drugs or > count calores or carbs. I found those no fructose > casaba melons that I was asking about a year ago > in a local market. Had a nice big slice just before > bed. It was delicious. If it had been honeydew or > cantaloupe, my FBG would be in the diabetic range right > now. Your nose is in the way, Pinocchio. |
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:05:22 -0700
Todd > wrote: > Remember that 7.5 is based on 120 days, plus or > minus 25 days for a T0. S-L-O-P-P-Y. > > http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/4/931.full > "The 23 subjects with type 2 diabetes had a mean > erythrocyte survival of 112 ± 25 days" > > So you have to do your own FBG average over the same > time frame and figure out what your actual A1c > correlates to for you. A1c is a really, really > sloppy measurement. But, helpful is you can say > my personal A1c corresponds to my my own FBG > of such and such. You can't just use FBG to estimate what the a1c should be. It is an average of BG for the last few months (maybe 120 days). Really it is a weighted average where the most recent BG readings have more effect then those that are a month or two old. You need calculus to describe it exactly. The paper points out some of the factors that cause the averaging function to vary. My FBG was 105 this morning, and I began to worry that all that extra bread was doing me in. But I decided to continue this game one more day before I cut back the calories. So I had a large breakfast of two baked potatoes, 180 grams of grass fed hamburger, an avocado, and a mound of home made sauerkraut. When I was ready to go to the gym an hour later, my BG had dropped to 70 (3.4 in your units). Frustrated at my inability to show the slightest sign of diabetes, I decided to go off my diet. I went to a restaurant and had eggs with more potatoes. The eggs had young raw cheese on them with ham and bell peppers (all bad), and of course I acquired an egg allergy from a long-ago vaccination. Four hours later my BG was still up at 150. Gratifying. So then I went back on my diet. I made a huge salad with iceberg lettuce, lentil sprouts, and celery with olive oil and fresh lime juice dressing. To go with it I had four more slices of the magic BG-reducing bread. An hour later BG had dropped to 109. Which brings me up to the moment. Clearly my BG readings are not following the approved script. It does seem that my diet works very well for me though. And although it may only work for a minority, I don't believe it is a minority of one. -- I'm Trawley Trash, and you haven't heard the last of me yet. |
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