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buying as we go as we find what we like is what we did before, it allowed
for some nice furniture bought at estate auctions and yard sales, our
waterbed and a futon is the only "new" things we bought the waterbed lasted
from when we purchased it in 92 until the fire, only needed one patch and
that was me not a cat btw, it was destroyed in the fire.

Lee
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>>> i would never be comfortable spending that kind of money on something
>>> that just keeps you dry... truth be told there are some here much more
>>> than that, but i have never been interested in more than dry and having
>>> hygene needs met, i would rather spend money on other things, nothing
>>> wrong with having that much house if that is your focus, just insane to
>>> me... i can do a lot of travelling for that kind of cash... housing
>>> really is ymmv, Lee

>>
>> I agree, housing is like a car to me. The car to get from A to B, the
>> house to be comfortable. My current house is a bit below par but
>> certainly liveable. The house next door which is similar is up for sale
>> for $379,000. Everywhere I have lived in the past 12 years has been an
>> area where $500,000+ is the norm.
>>
>> I divorced my first husband in 1986 and about 5-6 years ago he sold our
>> home for 1.2 million. 3 bedroom full brick, Federation home, master built
>> by his grandfather but needing work. It was on 3/4 of an acre in Sydney
>> suburbia so that's what shot the price up. 1 bathroom with a toilet in
>> the bathroom and one toilet outside.

>
> I am not into fancy houses. My husband has a friend whose house we
> visited when they were married. They have since bought another house
> (haven't seen that) and are divorced. The house to me was not livable at
> all. The colors were white, beige, pale sage green and black leather
> furniture. The decorations they had looked lovely but didn't seem to fit
> with them at all.
>
> Then I went into Bed Bath and Beyond. And I was like... Oh! This is
> like walking into their house! Clearly they picked it all up in one trip
> and just went with it.
>
> I do not buy something just because I think it would look nice on the wall
> or coffee table or whatever. I only buy things that I like and I don't
> care if other people don't like them.
>
> I do have a Dutalier rocking chair that I purchased when I had Angela. It
> is on its third set of cushions. When I bought it, I knew it would last.
> Yes, it was expensive for a rocking chair but I could afford it then. It
> is really the only nice piece of furniture we have in the house.
>
> Two of our mattresses are very good quality but quite old. So old they
> should probably be replaced, but we can't afford to.
>
> When we moved in, I didn't bother to paint or change the wallpaper even
> though I really dislike the wallpaper. The painted walls are fine with
> me. I usually dislike colored walls. I don't mind it if they are a really
> pale color. Like just a tinge of pink in the white. And our apartment in
> NY was painted a light buttercream. I actually liked that.
>
> Painting and wallpapering are just too much work. Yes, I know there will
> come a time when they will have to be redone. But in the meantime I am
> making what we have work. I learned to do this years ago from a friend of
> mine. She said if you go with what colors you have in the house, the
> house will look nice. I know too many people who don't do this and will
> buy things like furniture and bedspreads in the colors they like even
> though they clash with the carpet or walls. To me that look doesn't work
> either.
>
> When I am at home I spend all of my sitting time in my computer chair. I
> rarely ever sit anywhere else. So it's a good quality chair. Looks like
> crap. Had a tiny hole in it when I bought it. And I scraped the arms up
> trying to get it into the house. I could get no help from anyone. It was
> raining hard and it's a leather chair. So I wanted to get it inside
> quickly. And since then Jazzy has been using it as a claw sharpener. But
> it is comfortable and the right color for this room. So that's all that
> really matters to me.
>
> I would like to have a house with plenty of storage space. Livable
> storage space. Yes we have that 400 sq. foot back house but it is not
> feasible to have to go back there all the time. Fine for the holiday
> stuff and even summer stuff. But not every day stuff.
>
> I would like to have a much larger kitchen with more counter space, a
> pantry and maybe even an island. I've never had an island so I don't know
> for sure.
>
> But I did manage to live for several years in an apartment with a 3 foot
> piece of counter, and no cupboards at all. And I've managed to live in
> motels with very little at all.
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there is a sr. meal program about three miles from us, the menus are quite
balanced and seem to be workable for most health issues, a little haevy on
the carbs but not too bad... if there is a serving of corn then no roll
ectra. you have to be 60 to go and eat it, its an excellent value and is
cooked on site so probbly tastes good, also you can purchase extra meals for
fifty cents more to take home, Lee
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>>> On 9/4/2011 6:22 PM, W. Baker wrote:
>>>> Tiger > wrote:
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>>>> : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant every
>>>> : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take home
>>>> 1/2
>>>> : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft
>>>> : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs
>>>> are
>>>> : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home
>>>> the
>>>> : next day.
>>>>
>>>> : i didn't define elderly
>>>> : he's 102 and she's 97
>>>>
>>>> : kate
>>>>
>>>> Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches for a
>>>> small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the house 5
>>>> das
>>>> a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your
>>>> mother
>>>> could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from the
>>>> computer.
>>>>
>>>> Wendy
>>>
>>> Wendy, Meals on Wheels provides this service to the elderly. I don't
>>> know about the remote area that Julie's parents live in. I know some
>>> restaurants make your choice from 10 items, prepared in advance, frozen
>>> and you only need to reheat them. These would be more upscale meals and
>>> typically are a touch more appealing than the meals on wheels options.

>>
>> There are some really nice frozen meals delivered to the door and they
>> would be cheaper than restaurant meals too. My aunt was laid up with a
>> broken leg for a while and she is an avid cook, never makes a thing out
>> of a packet. I have loved going to her house all my life Anyway she
>> had to get some frozen meals in (they weren't the diet plan type). A
>> small independent company that made realistic meals, not a thin slice of
>> meat, 3 peas and a tablespoon of rice and 90% of the weight of the meal
>> as a sauce, lol).

>
> They might eat a frozen meal once in a while but usually they won't.
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my mother cared for my paternal grandmother until she passed away at home,
then she continued to care for my paternal grandfather until he became
uncontrollable... he lingered for five more years... my mom and grandmother
were extremely close, she is now sharing cargiving duties for her mother...
this is why she is flatly refusing to have us care for her/my dad... she
says even when you love and respect the person it make you resentful, Lee
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> Given the relationship between Julie and her parents I would be inclined
> to start as I mean to go on. As you say, letting them know up front what
> you are willing/capable of doing. Not everyone has the ability to look
> after aging parents. Just before my mum went into a home I had two young
> babies. It was very stressful despite the fact that we had always got on
> well.
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>> knowing your limits and those of your brother is an excellent starting
>> point, it might be a screaming match but you and brother if he will are
>> going to just have to say, this is what we can do to help, in order to
>> keep you out of a nursing home this is what we need to have you do...
>> that could be shopping with you, o r letting you shop for them... i swear
>> julie scaring them into understanding that once socail services gets into
>> it is an ok stratedgy, i have seen som horrid results when even well
>> meaning socail service people get into it, Lee
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>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>>>> and even if the basics/dry goods are odered online and fresh is picked
>>>> up that works also, there are always options in this situation, my
>>>> mother and i recently discussed this and she said in no way would they
>>>> move in with any of us it would be assisted living or a nursing home as
>>>> its too stressful for the caregivers once you can't live alone, she was
>>>> dead serious and meant every word... Lee
>>>
>>> Safeway still delivers groceries here but I doubt they would go for
>>> that.
>>>
>>> I do know that I am not capable of caring for anyone for any length of
>>> time. I tried to do that with my MIL but given my own medical problems
>>> and disability I am not fit for that. I can cook meals and do a little
>>> light housekeeping. That's it!
>>>
>>> We don't have any room in our house for them at all. I don't think my
>>> brother does either and nobody would be home at their house anyway.
>>>

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> get used to it, she is facing losing control and will fight you even when
> you are right, and given the combative nature of your family dynamics it
> might even be worse... Lee


Yes. Both of my parents are very combative. We got into a fight tonight
over Metformin. They told my mom she had to bring his from home because
they didn't have that high of a dose in the pharmacy. Which I thought was
odd because he could take more than one pill. But when his dinner came she
insisted he have his one pill for his gallbladder or maybe it's the
pancreas. I don't remember but he gets really sick to his stomach without
it.

She said she didn't know when he takes his Metformin and wasn't going to
worry about it. I told her it was usually taken with dinner. Then she
snapped that it didn't matter when *I* took it. I told her this was in the
prescribing information to take it always with meals. So she asked the
nurse who didn't really know and said maybe he gets it at bedtime? Part of
the problem is that my mom said he has always been responsible for his own
meds and she doesn't know when he takes them. This whole thing could have
easily been solved by looking at the prescription bottle. But after being
told to shut up once by her and twice by him and also being told to leave by
him (which I did not because he would have been alone in the room), I wasn't
about to argue any more.


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oohhh, there is h hhuuugeee difference between real estate investing and the
house you live in, buying properties to sell quickly or to use as rental
units is in fact an investment that generally generates income, sorry, Lee
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> Real Estate investment is totally dependant on circumstances out of our
> control. My daughter's partner has been into property investment for
> years. He never buys ordinary houses as they are vulnerable to losses and
> have smaller profits. He has an eye for where areas are going to take off.
> His idea of profit is to buy at 1 million dollars and sell at 1.5+. If he
> can't sell in a hurry he uses companies that specialise in executive
> rentals. There is always someone, especially from overseas, that want to
> live in a million dollar property overlooking Sydney Harbour. All the
> owner has to do is provide linen (all white) and the furniture. Executive
> rentals have always filled that gap for him between buying and selling.
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>> i don't care if you bought it new and cheap and it is now worth three
>> times what you paid... an investment is something that provides ongoing
>> income a house is not, it is a place you pay rent to yourself for the
>> priviiligde of living there, nothing more or less, most houses get sold
>> under stress, a fact that people don't pyay attention to often, your job
>> changes, you retire or one of you becomes disabled to the point you must
>> sell or lose everything, there are very few imho sales that are on the
>> terms of the seller... bless those who can... one of the best
>> explainations i ever read was that richdad/poor dad guys explaination of
>> what an investment is... it was funny when we read it, the dh is reading,
>> and i busted out laughing... he says whats funny... i said, are you
>> getting royalties or what. Lee
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>>>>i meant exactly what i said, focus is you make it a home and you think
>>>>it is an investment... i just had a very modest home burn we paid 35k
>>>>for that one, the replacement should end up being around 150k and is a
>>>>bit smaller..
>>>>
>>>> as to the difference in focus, a house is a place to sleep and get
>>>> clean and store stuff... my home is wherever dh happens to be and has
>>>> no relation to a particular structure/location... housing is not an
>>>> investment to me, it only costs money, the only thing we consider
>>>> investments are things that generate income. IE
>>>>
>>>> just as i said a difference in focus, please don't take offense at a
>>>> perceived judgement that did not occur... Lee
>>>
>>> I don't consider our house an investment either. We bought it so late
>>> in life. We bought it when the price was high. Not the highest but
>>> close to it. And now the price is worth less than what we paid. Houses
>>> are just not selling in this neighborhood any more. Yes the new houses
>>> are selling. But not the older ones.
>>>

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> Given the relationship between Julie and her parents I would be inclined
> to start as I mean to go on. As you say, letting them know up front what
> you are willing/capable of doing. Not everyone has the ability to look
> after aging parents. Just before my mum went into a home I had two young
> babies. It was very stressful despite the fact that we had always got on
> well.


Angela and I have both suggested two facilities that we found for seniors
but they were totally unwilling to even consider it. My mom however has
mentioned that she might have to put my dad in a home. But she is very much
in denial about herself.


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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>>>i meant exactly what i said, focus is you make it a home and you think it
>>>is an investment... i just had a very modest home burn we paid 35k for
>>>that one, the replacement should end up being around 150k and is a bit
>>>smaller..
>>>
>>> as to the difference in focus, a house is a place to sleep and get clean
>>> and store stuff... my home is wherever dh happens to be and has no
>>> relation to a particular structure/location... housing is not an
>>> investment to me, it only costs money, the only thing we consider
>>> investments are things that generate income. IE
>>>
>>> just as i said a difference in focus, please don't take offense at a
>>> perceived judgement that did not occur... Lee

>>
>> I don't consider our house an investment either. We bought it so late in
>> life. We bought it when the price was high. Not the highest but close
>> to it. And now the price is worth less than what we paid. Houses are
>> just not selling in this neighborhood any more. Yes the new houses are
>> selling. But not the older ones.

>
> And the world economic news today is bad. Might be a shock when you all
> wake up tomorrow. Tomorrow is here already ;(


I know.


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you need to discuss this with the doc without them around, i really hate
saying that but if you want them healthy, and if you want to not be blamed
for a health issue not of your making you are going to have to get some
rules set out, Lee
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> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>> get used to it, she is facing losing control and will fight you even when
>> you are right, and given the combative nature of your family dynamics it
>> might even be worse... Lee

>
> Yes. Both of my parents are very combative. We got into a fight tonight
> over Metformin. They told my mom she had to bring his from home because
> they didn't have that high of a dose in the pharmacy. Which I thought was
> odd because he could take more than one pill. But when his dinner came
> she insisted he have his one pill for his gallbladder or maybe it's the
> pancreas. I don't remember but he gets really sick to his stomach without
> it.
>
> She said she didn't know when he takes his Metformin and wasn't going to
> worry about it. I told her it was usually taken with dinner. Then she
> snapped that it didn't matter when *I* took it. I told her this was in
> the prescribing information to take it always with meals. So she asked
> the nurse who didn't really know and said maybe he gets it at bedtime?
> Part of the problem is that my mom said he has always been responsible for
> his own meds and she doesn't know when he takes them. This whole thing
> could have easily been solved by looking at the prescription bottle. But
> after being told to shut up once by her and twice by him and also being
> told to leave by him (which I did not because he would have been alone in
> the room), I wasn't about to argue any more.
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> buying as we go as we find what we like is what we did before, it allowed
> for some nice furniture bought at estate auctions and yard sales, our
> waterbed and a futon is the only "new" things we bought the waterbed
> lasted from when we purchased it in 92 until the fire, only needed one
> patch and that was me not a cat btw, it was destroyed in the fire.


When I got my first apartment I only had a bed, dresser and floor cushions.
My dad gave me their old kitchen table as a punishment. I did not want it.
I hated that thing. When I was a toddler my mom allowed me to play with
playdough and a sharp tipped knife. It was some odd knife that was my
dad's. It was like a butter knife but the tip was sharp. I was stabbing it
into the playdough, not realizing that I was taking little chips out of the
table's surface.

So as a punishment I had to sit at that place at the table the whole time I
lived in that house. And he told me I would have to take it with me when I
moved out. I did keep the chairs for several years and got new seats and
backs for them. Way back when you could do that to chairs. But I dragged
that table onto my patio and let the rain deteriorate it. I then unscrewed
the legs and broke it up into chunks as best I could and threw it in the
dumpster. I would rather have lived with no table than that!

I did have a roommate who had a dining table but no chairs and an extra bed
which his mom made a cover for and we used as a couch. Then eventually I
bought a loveseat and a rocking chair.

In those days I was not home much at all. I needed little more than a bed,
closet and a place to fix food.


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> my mother cared for my paternal grandmother until she passed away at home,
> then she continued to care for my paternal grandfather until he became
> uncontrollable... he lingered for five more years... my mom and
> grandmother were extremely close, she is now sharing cargiving duties for
> her mother... this is why she is flatly refusing to have us care for
> her/my dad... she says even when you love and respect the person it make
> you resentful, Lee


My MIL was very angry at first when she was put in a nursing home. And then
she would escape. She wasn't capable of getting out by herself. But my
BIL's had taken her either to her home or their homes on different occasions
and she would flat out refuse to go back, physically fighting them all the
way. It got so bad that they would only allow her out for brief periods at
a time and never to anyone's house.

She does seem much happier there though. At home nobody ever visited. She
was having to eat old, bad food. I would buy her food every time we visited
but someone was stealing it. I don't know who. They were also talking the
cleaning supplies and papergoods that I bought for her.

Worst of all she was being left alone sometimes because there was simply not
someone available to care for her. And she really needs round the clock
care.

Now she is getting proper food. She knows a lot of people in there. And
people who come to visit often stop to visit her because they know her.




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> you need to discuss this with the doc without them around, i really hate
> saying that but if you want them healthy, and if you want to not be blamed
> for a health issue not of your making you are going to have to get some
> rules set out, Lee


Alas I have not seen a Dr. when I was visiting.


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> here in IL a special needs student can stay in school until the age of 21,
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I think they can here too.


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you need to ask the nurse when he makes rounds if you can't get the info
from your parents, Lee
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>> you need to discuss this with the doc without them around, i really hate
>> saying that but if you want them healthy, and if you want to not be
>> blamed for a health issue not of your making you are going to have to get
>> some rules set out, Lee

>
> Alas I have not seen a Dr. when I was visiting.
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its kinda cool because they generally help them to learn as many daily
living things as possible and basic self care, if the parents keep them in
school they try and prepare the higher functioning ones to live in a group
home situation, one of the few things our educational system does right, Lee
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>> 21, Lee

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I did. And she didn't know.




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>> here in IL a special needs student can stay in school until the age
>> of 21, Lee

>
> I think they can here too.


Wish it was here, she actually likes going to school.

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hhhmmm, i might call his service to find out, Lee
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> I did. And she didn't know.
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it might be a federal mandate i am not sure, knowing she likes school will
give you a big help in choosing her after school activities, it can lead you
to the right workshop/activity center for her, she is so blessed to have
you for a parent, Lee
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>>> here in IL a special needs student can stay in school until the age of
>>> 21, Lee

>>
>> I think they can here too.

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> Wish it was here, she actually likes going to school.



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She is really only interested in anything to do with music. Other school
subjects don't interest her much at all. She tends to sit and twirl
something if not interested. In our old state I took students to
workshop once a week as they needed a one on one carer. None I have been
to there would be suitable for Jasmine. The supervisors tend to keep a
bit of pressure on the worker to keep them moving on the job and Jasmine
doesn't respond well to being "pushed" for any reason. She'd be likely
to flip out and start a domino effect amongst others. When I worked in a
home for the intellectually disabled there were always domino effects.
One small thing would set one person off then there would be trays,
chairs, tables and people tossed everywhere. At that particular home I
worked at there were 6 people out of 95 who couldn't attend workshop
during the day (severe health problems etc) so the houseparents kept
them at the home all day doing things to keep them busy that didn't
involve making things to be sold. It was more for therapy than anything
else. I'd say Jasmine was in that category re work ability. But we will
see when the time comes. I have no experience with shops in this state
whatsoever.

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> it might be a federal mandate i am not sure, knowing she likes school
> will give you a big help in choosing her after school activities, it
> can lead you to the right workshop/activity center for her, she is so
> blessed to have you for a parent, Lee
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>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>>> of 21, Lee
>>>
>>> I think they can here too.

>>
>> Wish it was here, she actually likes going to school.

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the good part here is you already know her limits and temperment, that will
go a long way when choosing her placement, Lee
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> She is really only interested in anything to do with music. Other school
> subjects don't interest her much at all. She tends to sit and twirl
> something if not interested. In our old state I took students to workshop
> once a week as they needed a one on one carer. None I have been to there
> would be suitable for Jasmine. The supervisors tend to keep a bit of
> pressure on the worker to keep them moving on the job and Jasmine doesn't
> respond well to being "pushed" for any reason. She'd be likely to flip out
> and start a domino effect amongst others. When I worked in a home for the
> intellectually disabled there were always domino effects. One small thing
> would set one person off then there would be trays, chairs, tables and
> people tossed everywhere. At that particular home I worked at there were 6
> people out of 95 who couldn't attend workshop during the day (severe
> health problems etc) so the houseparents kept them at the home all day
> doing things to keep them busy that didn't involve making things to be
> sold. It was more for therapy than anything else. I'd say Jasmine was in
> that category re work ability. But we will see when the time comes. I have
> no experience with shops in this state whatsoever.
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> it might be a federal mandate i am not sure, knowing she likes school
>> will give you a big help in choosing her after school activities, it can
>> lead you to the right workshop/activity center for her, she is so
>> blessed to have you for a parent, Lee
>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> here in IL a special needs student can stay in school until the age of
>>>>> 21, Lee
>>>>
>>>> I think they can here too.
>>>
>>> Wish it was here, she actually likes going to school.

>>
>>
>>





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: "Cheri" > wrote in message
: ...
: > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
: > ...
: >> had we to do it over, we would have rented and banked the difference,
: >> that would have really allowed for a lot more travel, Lee
: >
: > We bought our house late in life, and now I wish we had just kept renting.
: > New roofs, and many upgrades aren't cheap, and moving on in retirement
: > isn't all that easy with a house to sell, especially in this market. :-)

: I don't know where my husband got this idea from but he thought he could buy
: a house and make a ton of money by selling it in a few years. Nobody could
: talk him out of that notion. I am sick of this house and all of its
: problems.

That was the idea that tones of peole had and that was encouraged by
banks, realtos, etc who then sold houses with trick mortgages tht went way
up in interest rates afeter a few years. The assumptin was that the house
woul dbe worth so much more that the people who would be unable to pay the
high interest rates would be able to sell out at the higher price and do
the same thing al oer again.

You may not have had the adjustable mortgage, but your husband had the
idea that many many people had and that ultimately led to the finanial and
housing crash that has led to the terrible current economy. Your husband
was far from alone. Many Americans kept taking out money fromtheir houses
by refinancing or takign out second mortgages that when the housing prices
fell, they were left underwater(house worth less than mortgage).

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: It would but she is 15 and she can stay at school until the year she
: turns 18 so there are only 3 and a bit years of schooling left for her
: anyway. I am only minutes by car to the ocean anyway. She goes by
: special transport but from time to time I drive to the ocean and just
: sit and look at the water

Sorry to ask. What appens once school is finished? I know tht peole in
the US also have this problem. Usualy called aging out.

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Ozgirl > wrote:


: "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
: ...
: >
: > "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
: > ...
: >>
: >>
: >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
: >> ...
: >>>
: >>> "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
: >>> ...
: >>>> On 9/4/2011 6:22 PM, W. Baker wrote:
: >>>>> Tiger > wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>>> : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant
: >>>>> every
: >>>>> : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take
: >>>>> home 1/2
: >>>>> : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a
: >>>>> soft
: >>>>> : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left
: >>>>> overs are
: >>>>> : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at
: >>>>> home the
: >>>>> : next day.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> : i didn't define elderly
: >>>>> : he's 102 and she's 97
: >>>>>
: >>>>> : kate
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches
: >>>>> for a
: >>>>> small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the
: >>>>> house 5 das
: >>>>> a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your
: >>>>> mother
: >>>>> could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from
: >>>>> the
: >>>>> computer.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Wendy
: >>>>
: >>>> Wendy, Meals on Wheels provides this service to the elderly. I
: >>>> don't know about the remote area that Julie's parents live in. I
: >>>> know some restaurants make your choice from 10 items, prepared in
: >>>> advance, frozen and you only need to reheat them. These would be
: >>>> more upscale meals and typically are a touch more appealing than
: >>>> the meals on wheels options.
: >>>
: >>> I know that is available in Seattle. Don't know about where they
: >>> live. But I know they would never eat that. Between all their
: >>> dietary issues and pickiness it would never work.
: >>
: >> Its amazing what people will do when there aren't other options
: >> though. The time has now come where they have to rethink their whole
: >> lifestyle. Its too late to say they should have thought these things
: >> out a long time ago though. I used to care for a man who had a
: >> stroke, his wife is a well known author. They lived not all that far
: >> from me but on acres in this wonderful valley. The wife couldn't look
: >> after him and write as well so she got a nursing service in to do all
: >> his personal needs stuff twice a day. She also hired a woman who came
: >> in and cooked fabulous meals a few times a week. They didn't need to
: >> be frozen as she was there often enough. She would also do a bit of
: >> basic housework as well. It worked for them. I have tried online
: >> shopping a couple of times, didn't like it as much as going to the
: >> supermarket myself but that is workable. You could order for them if
: >> they choose that path.
: >
: > I found out tonight that most likely he will not be allowed to drive
: > for 6 months. He is doing quite well in some ways but there are some
: > memory issues. We were told this will most likely get better.
: >
: > I told the person who was working with him that my mom doesn't like to
: > cook (she took offense to this) and that they normally go out to eat,
: > which they do. I also told her that he doesn't know how to cook much,
: > which he doesn't. So she said they would put him in the kitchen and
: > teach him how to cook a few things. My mom seemed a bit horrified at
: > this and said he was capable of getting his own cereal and making eggs
: > if he wanted them. And that she could cook but didn't because *he*
: > liked to go out to eat. I am not sure how much truth there is in this
: > at all. Frankly I don't think so.
: >
: > Yes, I know they both like to go out to eat and always have. But I
: > think it is more a matter of her not wanting to cook over the years
: > and her being so limited as to what she will cook.
: >
: > I guess we will just have to see how that goes. Personally I don't
: > think she should be allowed to drive but they did just renew her
: > license in May. She is very stubborn and will fight me tooth and nail
: > if I try to do the shopping for them (which I likely could not because
: > she is super picky about brands and things) or even drive them to the
: > store. She hates to shop and worse yet she and my dad hate to go
: > shopping with me! I like to go up and down every aisle looking for
: > new products and if I am going to buy something I read the label.
: > That is not how she shops. Although my dad does like to look for new
: > things and will frequently pick up things that catch his eye that are
: > not on the list.
: >
: > I may have to drive them to some Drs. appointments and such. My SIL
: > has her hands full with her own parents who are older than mine. And
: > my nephew is now back in college and baby-sits his girlfriend's nieces
: > and nephews in his spare time. So that kind of just leaves me.

: Dunno how it works there but here, in this situation, a social worker
: would come and talk to the patient and spouse/carer to make sure
: everything is going to be ok when the patient is discharged. If someone
: other than you can do all the talking that your mum hates it might have
: a better effect. Eventually your mum will realise she has to "give" on a
: few things.

If your Dad is on regular medicare, not an advantage plan(Ieach of those
works differently) he should get certain home care once he is ou of the
rehab. with Syd it was 4 hours a day, 5 days a week, of home health aid,
who can cook or do light cleaning and help with personal care, 3 times a
week physical therapy and 3 times a week occupational therapy. this help
decreases over time unti it disappears. It can help but you miht need to
hire someone for more hours if your Mother can't handle everything.

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exactly, that is why to me buying a house for any other reason than to live
in it and like making it your home is just not practicle, again leaving out
investment real estate, Lee
"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> : "Cheri" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : >> had we to do it over, we would have rented and banked the difference,
> : >> that would have really allowed for a lot more travel, Lee
> : >
> : > We bought our house late in life, and now I wish we had just kept
> renting.
> : > New roofs, and many upgrades aren't cheap, and moving on in retirement
> : > isn't all that easy with a house to sell, especially in this market.
> :-)
>
> : I don't know where my husband got this idea from but he thought he could
> buy
> : a house and make a ton of money by selling it in a few years. Nobody
> could
> : talk him out of that notion. I am sick of this house and all of its
> : problems.
>
> That was the idea that tones of peole had and that was encouraged by
> banks, realtos, etc who then sold houses with trick mortgages tht went way
> up in interest rates afeter a few years. The assumptin was that the house
> woul dbe worth so much more that the people who would be unable to pay the
> high interest rates would be able to sell out at the higher price and do
> the same thing al oer again.
>
> You may not have had the adjustable mortgage, but your husband had the
> idea that many many people had and that ultimately led to the finanial and
> housing crash that has led to the terrible current economy. Your husband
> was far from alone. Many Americans kept taking out money fromtheir houses
> by refinancing or takign out second mortgages that when the housing prices
> fell, they were left underwater(house worth less than mortgage).
>
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: "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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: > you need to discuss this with the doc without them around, i really hate
: > saying that but if you want them healthy, and if you want to not be blamed
: > for a health issue not of your making you are going to have to get some
: > rules set out, Lee

: Alas I have not seen a Dr. when I was visiting.

GEt a name and phone number and contact hir if your Mom is not fully able
to get instructions or infomtion clear.

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Julie Bove > wrote:

: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Tiger Lily > wrote:
: > : On 9/4/2011 6:22 PM, W. Baker wrote:
: > : > Tiger > wrote:
: >
: > : > : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant
: > every
: > : > : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take home
: > 1/2
: > : > : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a soft
: > : > : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left overs
: > are
: > : > : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at home
: > the
: > : > : next day.
: > : >
: > : > : i didn't define elderly
: > : > : he's 102 and she's 97
: > : >
: > : > : kate
: > : >
: > : > Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches for
: > a
: > : > small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the house 5
: > das
: > : > a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your
: > mother
: > : > could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from the
: > : > computer.
: > : >
: > : > Wendy
: >
: > : Wendy, Meals on Wheels provides this service to the elderly. I don't
: > : know about the remote area that Julie's parents live in. I know some
: > : restaurants make your choice from 10 items, prepared in advance, frozen
: > : and you only need to reheat them. These would be more upscale meals and
: > : typically are a touch more appealing than the meals on wheels options.
: >
: > : kate
: >
: > In the very rural Margateville area there is a senior feeding program at
: > the local Methodist church(not church run, but gov't run) it has a luch
: > program for those who can travel or be bussed there and home delivered
: > meals for those who are homebound. Menus issues monthly-no choice, but
: > very inexpensive and standard institutional nutritions. Many of the town
: > have a similar program in Delaware county. Judging from the number of
: > food stores that Julie seems to have available at less than 50 miles away,
: > I would say that her area is far less rural than Delaware County.

: My parents live in a suburb of Seattle with pretty much all they might need
: except perhaps for some medical specialists which is why he was transferred
: to that specific hospital. There is a grocery store within walking distance
: from their house. Also some restaurants but for the most part not ones they
: would eat in. There is a Subway. My dad likes it. My mom does not. My
: dad can not walk very far. My mom can, but given her macular degeneration I
: feel it would be unsafe for her to go out on her own. She knows that she
: has it, but seems to be in severe denial about how bad it is. She still
: seems to think that what she sees (or doesn't see) is what everyone else
: sees.

: When my dad was driving she would yell at him for jerking the car around
: having no clue that he had actually changed to another lane. When we would
: tell her that he did she would either say that she didn't know or that he
: really hadn't done that.

: Once I commented on a woman's green eye shadow (she was totally dressed in
: green) and my mom tried to tell me that I couldn't see the woman's eyes.
: But I clearly could.

Does she have he dry or wet kind of macular degeneratin? the wet kind,
which I have, can sually be treated by frequent injectioons b a retina
specialist. Medicare covers it.

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"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> : "Cheri" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : >> had we to do it over, we would have rented and banked the difference,
> : >> that would have really allowed for a lot more travel, Lee
> : >
> : > We bought our house late in life, and now I wish we had just kept
> renting.
> : > New roofs, and many upgrades aren't cheap, and moving on in retirement
> : > isn't all that easy with a house to sell, especially in this market.
> :-)
>
> : I don't know where my husband got this idea from but he thought he could
> buy
> : a house and make a ton of money by selling it in a few years. Nobody
> could
> : talk him out of that notion. I am sick of this house and all of its
> : problems.
>
> That was the idea that tones of peole had and that was encouraged by
> banks, realtos, etc who then sold houses with trick mortgages tht went way
> up in interest rates afeter a few years. The assumptin was that the house
> woul dbe worth so much more that the people who would be unable to pay the
> high interest rates would be able to sell out at the higher price and do
> the same thing al oer again.
>
> You may not have had the adjustable mortgage, but your husband had the
> idea that many many people had and that ultimately led to the finanial and
> housing crash that has led to the terrible current economy. Your husband
> was far from alone. Many Americans kept taking out money fromtheir houses
> by refinancing or takign out second mortgages that when the housing prices
> fell, they were left underwater(house worth less than mortgage).


There is no way I would get an ARM.


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> If your Dad is on regular medicare, not an advantage plan(Ieach of those
> works differently) he should get certain home care once he is ou of the
> rehab. with Syd it was 4 hours a day, 5 days a week, of home health aid,
> who can cook or do light cleaning and help with personal care, 3 times a
> week physical therapy and 3 times a week occupational therapy. this help
> decreases over time unti it disappears. It can help but you miht need to
> hire someone for more hours if your Mother can't handle everything.



They have a maid. They will not be in the house when she is in. He would
not put up with other people coming into the house. And I don't know what
kind of Medicare he has.


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you need to know that in some medicare instances, if he refuses the
recommended/prescribed help they can refuse to pay for tretments that
medicare feels could have been prevented by the recommended services, ie, if
physical therapy is recoomended and he has a joint issue or mobility issue
later they can, and do refuse to pay, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
>> If your Dad is on regular medicare, not an advantage plan(Ieach of those
>> works differently) he should get certain home care once he is ou of the
>> rehab. with Syd it was 4 hours a day, 5 days a week, of home health aid,
>> who can cook or do light cleaning and help with personal care, 3 times a
>> week physical therapy and 3 times a week occupational therapy. this help
>> decreases over time unti it disappears. It can help but you miht need to
>> hire someone for more hours if your Mother can't handle everything.

>
>
> They have a maid. They will not be in the house when she is in. He would
> not put up with other people coming into the house. And I don't know what
> kind of Medicare he has.
>



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> wasn't it you that talked about being paranoid of bed bugs and you having
> your dh shower in the sauna area? or am i confusing you with someone else?


There's no such thing as being paranoid over bedbugs. Anyone who's ever had
an infestation can tell you that. :-)

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those were her words, i think even more paranoid about bedbugs than
cockroaches, both are hidious, Lee
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> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>> wasn't it you that talked about being paranoid of bed bugs and you having
>> your dh shower in the sauna area? or am i confusing you with someone
>> else?

>
> There's no such thing as being paranoid over bedbugs. Anyone who's ever
> had an infestation can tell you that. :-)
>
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> It'll go up again, foreclosure inventory has to go down, first. I know
> you'd like to leave, though, frustrating. We were so broke in that last
> house (my disability, Tom's former business suffering in the severe
> recession) that we barely hung on, were often behind on the mortgage
> payments... but it really paid off eventually.


I'm sure it will go up again eventually, but we're not spring chickens and
don't have all that much time to wait. LOL


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On 9/6/2011 12:07 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> am i again wrong that YOU said you were more paranoid about bed bugs ththan
> cockroaches, i used that line as a reference to the post i was speaking
> about, your ability to take offense and insult and everything so personally
> is overly amasing, i simply am amased that you are so fond of yourself that
> you can be so easily offended, again if i am wrong and it wasn't you that
> used the term even more paranoid i will apologise,


I am simply amazed at how much you get wrong, and then blame someone
else for.


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"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> : "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > you need to discuss this with the doc without them around, i really
> hate
> : > saying that but if you want them healthy, and if you want to not be
> blamed
> : > for a health issue not of your making you are going to have to get
> some
> : > rules set out, Lee
>
> : Alas I have not seen a Dr. when I was visiting.
>
> GEt a name and phone number and contact hir if your Mom is not fully able
> to get instructions or infomtion clear.


I'm not sure they could talk to me with the HIPAA laws being what they are.


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"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Tiger Lily > wrote:
> : > : On 9/4/2011 6:22 PM, W. Baker wrote:
> : > : > Tiger > wrote:
> : >
> : > : > : The is an elderly couple who take a taxi to/from the restaurant
> : > every
> : > : > : day for their dinner. Dinner is 4:30 pm for them and they take
> home
> : > 1/2
> : > : > : the senior's portion they just ate. The lady indicates that a
> soft
> : > : > : boiled egg, toast and coffee is their morning meal; the left
> overs
> : > are
> : > : > : their mid day meal; dinner ensures they have at least lunch at
> home
> : > the
> : > : > : next day.
> : > : >
> : > : > : i didn't define elderly
> : > : > : he's 102 and she's 97
> : > : >
> : > : > : kate
> : > : >
> : > : > Do they have a senior feeding program either like senior lunches
> for
> : > a
> : > : > small fee or meals on wheels whic bring a prepared meal to the
> house 5
> : > das
> : > : > a week? The other meals woul only entail light shopping that your
> : > mother
> : > : > could learn to do or that one of you could send over or oder from
> the
> : > : > computer.
> : > : >
> : > : > Wendy
> : >
> : > : Wendy, Meals on Wheels provides this service to the elderly. I
> don't
> : > : know about the remote area that Julie's parents live in. I know
> some
> : > : restaurants make your choice from 10 items, prepared in advance,
> frozen
> : > : and you only need to reheat them. These would be more upscale meals
> and
> : > : typically are a touch more appealing than the meals on wheels
> options.
> : >
> : > : kate
> : >
> : > In the very rural Margateville area there is a senior feeding program
> at
> : > the local Methodist church(not church run, but gov't run) it has a
> luch
> : > program for those who can travel or be bussed there and home delivered
> : > meals for those who are homebound. Menus issues monthly-no choice,
> but
> : > very inexpensive and standard institutional nutritions. Many of the
> town
> : > have a similar program in Delaware county. Judging from the number
> of
> : > food stores that Julie seems to have available at less than 50 miles
> away,
> : > I would say that her area is far less rural than Delaware County.
>
> : My parents live in a suburb of Seattle with pretty much all they might
> need
> : except perhaps for some medical specialists which is why he was
> transferred
> : to that specific hospital. There is a grocery store within walking
> distance
> : from their house. Also some restaurants but for the most part not ones
> they
> : would eat in. There is a Subway. My dad likes it. My mom does not.
> My
> : dad can not walk very far. My mom can, but given her macular
> degeneration I
> : feel it would be unsafe for her to go out on her own. She knows that
> she
> : has it, but seems to be in severe denial about how bad it is. She still
> : seems to think that what she sees (or doesn't see) is what everyone else
> : sees.
>
> : When my dad was driving she would yell at him for jerking the car around
> : having no clue that he had actually changed to another lane. When we
> would
> : tell her that he did she would either say that she didn't know or that
> he
> : really hadn't done that.
>
> : Once I commented on a woman's green eye shadow (she was totally dressed
> in
> : green) and my mom tried to tell me that I couldn't see the woman's eyes.
> : But I clearly could.
>
> Does she have he dry or wet kind of macular degeneratin? the wet kind,
> which I have, can sually be treated by frequent injectioons b a retina
> specialist. Medicare covers it.


She won't tell me.




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i wish i could find that exact post, but i have looked for a while and can't
and i also realise that you/your opinions while valid in some nutritonal
subjects are valid your opinion and need to be right isn't worth my time...
so i will once again decide to not respond to this conversation so please go
ahead and have the last word, Lee
"Susan" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/6/2011 12:07 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> am i again wrong that YOU said you were more paranoid about bed bugs
>> ththan
>> cockroaches, i used that line as a reference to the post i was speaking
>> about, your ability to take offense and insult and everything so
>> personally
>> is overly amasing, i simply am amased that you are so fond of yourself
>> that
>> you can be so easily offended, again if i am wrong and it wasn't you that
>> used the term even more paranoid i will apologise,

>
> I am simply amazed at how much you get wrong, and then blame someone else
> for.
>
>
> Susan



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Julie Bove > wrote:

: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Julie Bove > wrote:
: >
: > : "Cheri" > wrote in message
: > : ...
: > : > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
: > : > ...
: > : >> had we to do it over, we would have rented and banked the difference,
: > : >> that would have really allowed for a lot more travel, Lee
: > : >
: > : > We bought our house late in life, and now I wish we had just kept
: > renting.
: > : > New roofs, and many upgrades aren't cheap, and moving on in retirement
: > : > isn't all that easy with a house to sell, especially in this market.
: > :-)
: >
: > : I don't know where my husband got this idea from but he thought he could
: > buy
: > : a house and make a ton of money by selling it in a few years. Nobody
: > could
: > : talk him out of that notion. I am sick of this house and all of its
: > : problems.
: >
: > That was the idea that tones of peole had and that was encouraged by
: > banks, realtos, etc who then sold houses with trick mortgages tht went way
: > up in interest rates afeter a few years. The assumptin was that the house
: > woul dbe worth so much more that the people who would be unable to pay the
: > high interest rates would be able to sell out at the higher price and do
: > the same thing al oer again.
: >
: > You may not have had the adjustable mortgage, but your husband had the
: > idea that many many people had and that ultimately led to the finanial and
: > housing crash that has led to the terrible current economy. Your husband
: > was far from alone. Many Americans kept taking out money fromtheir houses
: > by refinancing or takign out second mortgages that when the housing prices
: > fell, they were left underwater(house worth less than mortgage).

: There is no way I would get an ARM.
If you read what I said, no one accused you oor your husband of doing
that.

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: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
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: > If your Dad is on regular medicare, not an advantage plan(Ieach of those
: > works differently) he should get certain home care once he is ou of the
: > rehab. with Syd it was 4 hours a day, 5 days a week, of home health aid,
: > who can cook or do light cleaning and help with personal care, 3 times a
: > week physical therapy and 3 times a week occupational therapy. this help
: > decreases over time unti it disappears. It can help but you miht need to
: > hire someone for more hours if your Mother can't handle everything.


: They have a maid. They will not be in the house when she is in. He would
: not put up with other people coming into the house. And I don't know what
: kind of Medicare he has.

If he can't go to the bathroom by himself, or walk around, or shower, or
many other of life's activities, he may not have the choice, unless your
mother is a trained health care aid and strong and is willing to devote
herself entirely to being there to take care of him. Evenif he gets
better over time, there will be a loooooong convelescence. How old is he?
that can also affect how wel lhe can recuperate and how long it will take.
Strokes can be fairly mild or very terrible, It sounds like he is in tthe
middle somewhere, but it take a strong ewill, hard work and time even in
the best of cases unless it is caught in the firs 3 hours and he gets the
shot that dissovles the clot. If he finds he canno accept paid help, and
your mother cannot handle it he may well find himself in a nursing home
before very long, even if it might not be fully necessary. In that case,
once he has used up his savings etc, he will, most liki=y go on Medicade
to pay the home and there will be a lien on his house so it can't be sold
unless the State gets it money back that it has paid out for the nursing
home.

I sincerely hope he recouperates adn can resume a normal or close to
normal life, but that cannot be asured at this time and what the physical
therrapy community considers functinal may well NOT be where he was befoe
or where he and your mother would like him to be. Sorry to be so blunt,
but I have seen so much of this in my life. In famillies with little
money who want to avoid nusrsing homes, the kids have to do a great deal
to help out, either pysicall taking care orf that is impossible, in doign
the shopping, managing, just baby sittingso mom can get out for a little
time, etc.

Wendy


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Depends on the abilities and wants of the young adults. Obviously I have
to make decisions for Jasmine but for those people who comprehend what
is happening they often choose workshop or have a desire to to work in
normal workplaces. There are organisations that help people into work if
they desire. Then of course there are choices to be made about housing.
Whether you want or your child wants to live in group home, institution
or stay at home. I would like to see jasmine do something outside the
home as she tends to veg out at home whereas there is more activities at
school, workshops etc.


"W. Baker" > wrote in message
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> Ozgirl > wrote:
> : It would but she is 15 and she can stay at school until the year she
> : turns 18 so there are only 3 and a bit years of schooling left for
> her
> : anyway. I am only minutes by car to the ocean anyway. She goes by
> : special transport but from time to time I drive to the ocean and
> just
> : sit and look at the water
>
> Sorry to ask. What appens once school is finished? I know tht peole
> in
> the US also have this problem. Usualy called aging out.
>
> Wendy
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In article >,
"W. Baker" > wrote:

> When you live in the NYC area, as Susan and I do, you have to function
> with very high real estate prices. This also applies to many urban area
> in the US.
>
> Wendy


Boston isn't quite as bad as New York or San Francisco, but I was
shocked when my mother was selling the family house in Vermont. It's a
150 year old farmhouse, winterized, with both wood and oil furnaces:
living room, dining room, half bath, and huge farmer's kitchen & pantry
downstairs, four bedrooms and full bath upstairs, attached woodshed,
workshop, barn, front and kitchen porches. Nothing modernized except
for the heating and the slate roof, plus between 75 and 100 acres of
land (fields and wooded hills) on all four sides. She was able to get
$160K for it. My tiny (1200 sq. ft. max) two bedroom 1920s house with
minor upgrades on 7,000 sq. ft. lot, one block behind a public housing
complex in an outer neighborhood of Boston was worth more than twice
that! I'd paid only $119,500 in 1998, but the neighborhood was on the
way up at the time and didn't top out until a couple of years ago.

Now, she did want to sell to someone she knew, but I did a bunch of
comps, and she couldn't have gotten much more for it than that. The
folks who bought the place had 3 kids, I think. They were
home-schooled, and each kid had an animal of choice -- not just the
usual dog or cat, but I can't remember what they all were. Sheep?
Goat? The place had been a goat farm 70 years ago, so that would have
been an appropriate choice. Apparently they love the place, and I think
they're a good fit. Part of the deal was having it written in that we
may come and scatter Mother's ashes on the hill up behind the house when
the time comes.

That reminds me, I haven't gotten an update from my mother on how the
family was affected by the floods. The road washes out regularly, and
I've seen pictures of what Irene did to it a little further on, but not
by the house.

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