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![]() "W. Baker" wrote in message ... Ozgirl wrote: : "Peppermint Patootie" wrote in message : news ![]() : "Ozgirl" wrote: : : When Quentin spoke of opinions he was speaking of his opinion of the : studies he had researched over many years. He never had un-researched : opinions. Everyone forms their own opinions about a subject. He was : no : different in that respect. He also mentioned a number of times that : he : was trying to fill a gap. The gap left from all the talks in the : groups : about medication, exercise and diet. Diet as in high carb, low carb : etc. : Quentin and Annette both studied the individual foods as opposed to : the : food groups themselves. They did indeed fill that gap. This has led : to a : lot of people developing WOE's that weren't just "eat a lot of : protein : and fat" and avoid the starches". That can be nutritional suicide if : we : don't evaluate what goes into our mouths. : : I find it difficult to believe that people had to be told by someone : else that 'just "eat a lot of protein and fat" and avoid the : starches"' : was not sufficient nutritional consideration to give to their eating. : : While one might primarily mention the carb/protein/fat ratios when : discussing treatment of diabetes, most of the people in these groups : are : not idiots. : : PP : You don't have to be an idiot to not understand good nutrition. : Especially if new to dietary changes i.e. before one hears what others : are eating. Plus Annette and Quentin took nutrition one step further by : researching foods and their particular benefits, especially to : diabetics, some of who need to make every single bite count if they are : watching carbs very carefully. That's a lot different to being told what : veggies/fruits are low carb/low GI. I'll wager there are a lot of people : who don't know the value of certain low carb veggies over others. That's : the gap I am talking about. And if you recall anything in ASD you should : be able to recall that there have been many discussions about good : nutrition when some people have shared their low carb diets in the : group. Every time I eat my hambutger at a local restauant with no bun, sliced red onions, a bed of lettuce , a little ketchup adn a pickle I think of Quentin and quercetin, which he often mentioned as being in that red onion. The general advice that I received when finding my diabetic WOE was to eat a wde variety of freen and colored lnon-starchy vebetables, not only leafy one, but all kinds of peppers, crucfeous ones, etc. What is a shame is that there seems to be no spac onf ASD these days for such advice or comments what with the constant arguing. I fear that newbies don't get what they need about the vegetably diet that marked the lower carb diet so many of us found so useful. It works and made so many of us well controlled and healthy, bu tnow seems to alwasy be codemnedby ssorted people. We all had different ways of working this, from Jana's 6 small meals which spread her carbs out and included all kinds of vegetables, to Alan's low spike, wiwth his belived meusli at night,etc. Where have all these useful discussions gone? Wendy One of my sons and myself visited Annette and her hubby for a week about 8 or so years ago. 5 hour train trip plus a one hour car ride to their house. We had a ball sharing food hints ![]() had a lot of fun putting the meals together adding our own little bits of nutritional wisdom to the mix ![]() onion twice a day most days. Funny how things stick ![]() focus on eye health. |
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On 9/17/2011 5:32 AM, Tiger Lily wrote: no,Susan, Quentin was one of the first folks to speak of WHY we eat WHAT we do............... his whole book "Nutrition for Blokes" was aimed at teaching people why this food is good or us............ he didn't feel comfortable trying to teach women how to cook as he cooked 'very basic' dishes (his opinion, not mine) the spice and food combinations he came up with were incredible and delicious............ but he was very wary of 'creating recipes" Annette was also very diligent into looking into food composition and reasons why we should choose x over g or such it was a very enlighting time, and a great discussion series that went on.............. i feel many people learned a great deal from Quentin and Annette back in 'those days' wait, there is a concise posted on the web site for asd of the valuable information Quentin provided here Not here; asd and smn, IIRC. Quentin was human, and he was fallible as are we all, in our analysis and thinking. But it was never for lack of thought or effort at thinking things through. One way we often differed was in his focus on measurements of components of food and their theoretical effects and mine on clinical outcomes as the real measure. This was one of the glories of our communications, because we were each working a completely different side of the equation. His mind was just so fertile and searching at all times. Susan |
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I tried to read there but simply found it too stressful, Lee
"W. Baker" wrote in message ... Ozgirl wrote: : "Peppermint Patootie" wrote in message : news ![]() : "Ozgirl" wrote: : : When Quentin spoke of opinions he was speaking of his opinion of the : studies he had researched over many years. He never had un-researched : opinions. Everyone forms their own opinions about a subject. He was : no : different in that respect. He also mentioned a number of times that : he : was trying to fill a gap. The gap left from all the talks in the : groups : about medication, exercise and diet. Diet as in high carb, low carb : etc. : Quentin and Annette both studied the individual foods as opposed to : the : food groups themselves. They did indeed fill that gap. This has led : to a : lot of people developing WOE's that weren't just "eat a lot of : protein : and fat" and avoid the starches". That can be nutritional suicide if : we : don't evaluate what goes into our mouths. : : I find it difficult to believe that people had to be told by someone : else that 'just "eat a lot of protein and fat" and avoid the : starches"' : was not sufficient nutritional consideration to give to their eating. : : While one might primarily mention the carb/protein/fat ratios when : discussing treatment of diabetes, most of the people in these groups : are : not idiots. : : PP : You don't have to be an idiot to not understand good nutrition. : Especially if new to dietary changes i.e. before one hears what others : are eating. Plus Annette and Quentin took nutrition one step further by : researching foods and their particular benefits, especially to : diabetics, some of who need to make every single bite count if they are : watching carbs very carefully. That's a lot different to being told what : veggies/fruits are low carb/low GI. I'll wager there are a lot of people : who don't know the value of certain low carb veggies over others. That's : the gap I am talking about. And if you recall anything in ASD you should : be able to recall that there have been many discussions about good : nutrition when some people have shared their low carb diets in the : group. Every time I eat my hambutger at a local restauant with no bun, sliced red onions, a bed of lettuce , a little ketchup adn a pickle I think of Quentin and quercetin, which he often mentioned as being in that red onion. The general advice that I received when finding my diabetic WOE was to eat a wde variety of freen and colored lnon-starchy vebetables, not only leafy one, but all kinds of peppers, crucfeous ones, etc. What is a shame is that there seems to be no spac onf ASD these days for such advice or comments what with the constant arguing. I fear that newbies don't get what they need about the vegetably diet that marked the lower carb diet so many of us found so useful. It works and made so many of us well controlled and healthy, bu tnow seems to alwasy be codemnedby ssorted people. We all had different ways of working this, from Jana's 6 small meals which spread her carbs out and included all kinds of vegetables, to Alan's low spike, wiwth his belived meusli at night,etc. Where have all these useful discussions gone? Wendy |
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snip We all had different ways of working this, from Jana's 6 small meals which spread her carbs out and included all kinds of vegetables, to Alan's low spike, wiwth his belived meusli at night,etc. Where have all these useful discussions gone? Wendy Apparently into endless yapping and snarking about "some here" and supposed "dog piling" and "ADhAters" and accusations of false identity and sock-puppetry and the like. |
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![]() "Tiger Lily" wrote in message ... On 9/16/2011 9:04 PM, Julie Bove wrote: much snipped I think the population as a whole hasn't a clue about nutrition. I remember the big push for chicken back in the 80's. I can't tell you how many people were bragging about being good and eating chicken while they were munching on something fried from McDonalds's or KFC or some such place. Julie, do you remember telling Q that you didn't understand what he had just said, and he would return to the subject until you had an understanding................. he did this in a polite, friendly, gentle, kind, sincere, ELOQUENT manner (not shouting, i will ever respect Quentin as being ever so Eloquent!) Yes. |
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I think I'm lost in the discussion. First there were Kisses and then the discussion about transfat and oil? I'm really confused right now. Anyways, back to the chocolate.. I used to love kisses because it's really sweet and it's in bite size. It's not my favorite chocolate of all but it is one of the chocolates I like to eat.
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message .. . I think I'm lost in the discussion. First there were Kisses and then the discussion about transfat and oil? I'm really confused right now. It's called thread drift. :-) Cheri |
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On 9/19/2011 4:29 AM, haleymcadams1 wrote:
I think I'm lost in the discussion. First there were Kisses and then the discussion about transfat and oil? I'm really confused right now. Anyways, back to the chocolate.. I used to love kisses because it's really sweet and it's in bite size. It's not my favorite chocolate of all but it is one of the chocolates I like to eat. Threads in this newsgroup tend to wander around enough that, in some newsgroups, they'd be repeatedly renamed to match the wandering. Back to chocolate: I prefer dark chocolate since it tends to have less effect on my blood glucose readings. Robert Miles |
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"W. Baker" wrote: it went pretty well today, but still the thougt that we were leaving him, once agian there and not comign home together got the tears started. My son led a lovely service that he created searching for psaalms that mentioned music, trumpets, shofars. etc and made a nice speech. y younger son made a short speech adn I had everyone sind"You are my Sunshine," which Syd and I had sung together every day that he was home in hospice care, including his last morning. I also sang Franz Schubert's soong, Wanderer's Nachtleid about a man returning home as darknes cones in and the world quietens down who know he will soon be home. It is one of the few of these wonderful songs that I still can singdecently, what wiht age narrowing my range adn lowering my voice and the loss of fflexibility that comes from disuse. Jo let it close the service except for one long single not that he played on a shofar. Wendy- kind of sad, but glad to see that the stone an grave are looking as they should . That sounds like it was a beautiful service, Wendy! And appropriate in many ways. Priscilla -- "What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works." - Chris Malcolm |
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Lol, threads drift constantly on usenet
![]() "haleymcadams1" wrote in message .. . I think I'm lost in the discussion. First there were Kisses and then the discussion about transfat and oil? I'm really confused right now. Anyways, back to the chocolate.. I used to love kisses because it's really sweet and it's in bite size. It's not my favorite chocolate of all but it is one of the chocolates I like to eat. -- haleymcadams1 |
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