"Evelyn" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> > wrote:

> Thanks, Ozgirl.

Are you taking pics of your "journey"?

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:51:38 -0400, "Janet" >
wrote:

>BlueBrooke wrote:
><snip>
>
>> Actually, there has been discussion in ASD about such surgery "curing"
>> T2, and there have been some interesting results.
>
>If memory serves, doesn't that have something to do with literally
>reconstructing the colon so that food reaches a different part of it first?

Hum -- it could have been that type of surgery. I thought it was the
gastric-bypass type of procedure they were talking about, but I could
be wrong on that. I'm sure one of our science nerds will know. :-)

"BlueBrooke" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:51:38 -0400, "Janet" >
> wrote:
>
>>BlueBrooke wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>> Actually, there has been discussion in ASD about such surgery
>>> "curing"
>>> T2, and there have been some interesting results.
>>
>>If memory serves, doesn't that have something to do with literally
>>reconstructing the colon so that food reaches a different part of it
>>first?
>
> Hum -- it could have been that type of surgery. I thought it was the
> gastric-bypass type of procedure they were talking about, but I could
> be wrong on that. I'm sure one of our science nerds will know. :-)

I do remember the discussion but can't find it as yet. But I did find
this:

http://www.ccjm.org/content/77/7/468.full

"Further, why would bariatric surgery help with diabetes, and why would
one procedure do it better than another? To be honest, we are not sure,
but evidence points not only to weight loss but also to better insulin
sensitivity and to alterations in levels of hormones secreted by the gut
that increase insulin secretion."

There are references to studies on that page too.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:50:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ozgirl.
>
>Are you taking pics of your "journey"?


I did take a "before" pic. As of this morning I am down 30 lbs from
my highest weight. 12 lbs I lost on their diet, which was the
easiest diet I ever went on, before surgery. The rest I lost in the
two and a half weeks since.

Evelyn

On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:38:49 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> wrote:

>
>
>"BlueBrooke" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:51:38 -0400, "Janet" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>BlueBrooke wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>> Actually, there has been discussion in ASD about such surgery
>>>> "curing"
>>>> T2, and there have been some interesting results.
>>>
>>>If memory serves, doesn't that have something to do with literally
>>>reconstructing the colon so that food reaches a different part of it
>>>first?
>>
>> Hum -- it could have been that type of surgery. I thought it was the
>> gastric-bypass type of procedure they were talking about, but I could
>> be wrong on that. I'm sure one of our science nerds will know. :-)
>
>I do remember the discussion but can't find it as yet. But I did find
>this:
>
>http://www.ccjm.org/content/77/7/468.full
>
>"Further, why would bariatric surgery help with diabetes, and why would
>one procedure do it better than another? To be honest, we are not sure,
>but evidence points not only to weight loss but also to better insulin
>sensitivity and to alterations in levels of hormones secreted by the gut
>that increase insulin secretion."
>
>There are references to studies on that page too.


That is with the bypass surgery. I did not have the bypass so I will
still need to watch my bg levels.

Evelyn

On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:39:32 +1000, Alan S
> wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 06:52:00 -0400, Evelyn >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Just to let my friends on this newsgroup know that I had gastric
>>surgery a couple of weeks ago. I have already lost almost 30 lbs
>>from my highest weight. I lost twelve lbs before going into the
>>hospital and the rest since the surgery. The surgery my doctor chose
>>was the gastric sleeve, which is less invasive than the bypass.
>>
>>The good news is that I have great energy, and am not using ANY
>>diabetes meds or insulin at this time. My numbers are great, but
>>then I am not eating hardly anything at all. Last night I had my
>>first soft boiled egg. Till now it has only been protein shakes for
>>all my meals.
>>
>>I am glad I did it.
>>
>>Evelyn
>
>Hello Evelyn
>
>I rarely post on usenet these days, but I cannot let your post pass
>unnoticed.
>
>Wishing you the very best for rapid healing. I hope the surgery
>achieves your aims and wish you the very best of good health for the
>future.
>
>Lovely to see you again.
>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>d & e; metformin 2000mg


Alan, thank you so much for the good wishes. Your posts were always
among my favorites! How are you doing these days?

Evelyn

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:50:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Ozgirl.
>>
>>Are you taking pics of your "journey"?
>
>
> I did take a "before" pic. As of this morning I am down 30 lbs from
> my highest weight. 12 lbs I lost on their diet, which was the
> easiest diet I ever went on, before surgery. The rest I lost in the
> two and a half weeks since.
>
> Evelyn

What was their diet?

On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:56:47 -0400, Evelyn >
wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:38:49 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"BlueBrooke" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:51:38 -0400, "Janet" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>BlueBrooke wrote:
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, there has been discussion in ASD about such surgery
>>>>> "curing"
>>>>> T2, and there have been some interesting results.
>>>>
>>>>If memory serves, doesn't that have something to do with literally
>>>>reconstructing the colon so that food reaches a different part of it
>>>>first?
>>>
>>> Hum -- it could have been that type of surgery. I thought it was the
>>> gastric-bypass type of procedure they were talking about, but I could
>>> be wrong on that. I'm sure one of our science nerds will know. :-)
>>
>>I do remember the discussion but can't find it as yet. But I did find
>>this:
>>
>>http://www.ccjm.org/content/77/7/468.full
>>
>>"Further, why would bariatric surgery help with diabetes, and why would
>>one procedure do it better than another? To be honest, we are not sure,
>>but evidence points not only to weight loss but also to better insulin
>>sensitivity and to alterations in levels of hormones secreted by the gut
>>that increase insulin secretion."
>>
>>There are references to studies on that page too.
>
>
>That is with the bypass surgery. I did not have the bypass so I will
>still need to watch my bg levels.
>
>Evelyn

I would be surprised if any T2 post-procedure, bariatric or otherwise,
wouldn't need to watch their BG levels. They're saying they're seeing
these benefits, but don't know why, yet.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:34 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:50:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Ozgirl.
>>>
>>>Are you taking pics of your "journey"?
>>
>>
>> I did take a "before" pic. As of this morning I am down 30 lbs from
>> my highest weight. 12 lbs I lost on their diet, which was the
>> easiest diet I ever went on, before surgery. The rest I lost in the
>> two and a half weeks since.
>>
>> Evelyn
>
>What was their diet?


I do have it written down .... let me see if I can find it. Aha...
here it is. This diet REALLY WORKS. I was not hungry and it is the
tricks in it that make it work. I had a hard time finishing my meals
in fact.


Diet

-- 6 oz. protein in each meal (weight after cooking) - A MUST
(can be eggs, meat, tofu,fish)
-- vegetables are almost unlimited
--½ cup only of carbs or 1 slice bread at each meal

-- You cannot drink anything during meals (it makes you eat less and
shrinks your stomach) This is for life.
-- You can drink water 1/2 hour before and 1/2 hour afterwards.
-- You must drink 64 ounces of water daily.
-- Pace it around your meals.
-- There is a specific list of supplements you must take daily.
-- No alcohol..... AT ALL It makes you bloat and your liver swells.
-- Only two cups of caffeinated beverage daily, and they are separate
from the 64 oz. of water. (they have a diuretic effect)

-- Take only 1 teaspoon size bites or even less, while eating.
-- Eat as slowly as possible.
-- Chew each bite as long and thoroughly as possible and swallow it
all before taking another bite.
-- You must eat all the protein on your plate before anything else.
-- Only 3, one half cup servings of any carb product per day.
-- Lots of vegetables.... almost unlimited with these three exceptions
which count as a carb serving; Peas, Corn or Lima beans.
-- No more than three tablespoons of fat per day.
-- Four small servings of fruit daily. ( for example; half an apple,
half a peach, half a banana, ½ cup of blueberries or
strawberries)
-- One meal per day must be a protein shake. You can add some fruit
to it or mix your liquid calcium into it or even some tofu.
-- you can have a salad with your shake if you wish.

**************
-- Shakes can be made with Almond or Soy milk or Skim milk.
--Take a Biotin supplement to hopefully prevent hair loss due to
malnutrition after the surgery, but start now.
-- I get GNC hair skin and nails supplement.
-- I will also need to make sure I get 100% of my zinc requirement.

Veggies can be fresh or frozen, not canned.
Fruits can be fresh or frozen, canned must be water pack only.

No sugars including sugar alcohols. - Splenda is OK.

Evelyn, that is very similar to the original Weight Watchers diet on
which I lost 90 pounds. That had only two slices of bread a day though
and 3 pieces of fruit. Also 600ml of skimmed milk per day. Are you
saying its actually two meals a day plus a protein shake meal?

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:34 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:50:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>>>news >>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Ozgirl.
>>>>
>>>>Are you taking pics of your "journey"?
>>>
>>>
>>> I did take a "before" pic. As of this morning I am down 30 lbs
>>> from
>>> my highest weight. 12 lbs I lost on their diet, which was the
>>> easiest diet I ever went on, before surgery. The rest I lost in the
>>> two and a half weeks since.
>>>
>>> Evelyn
>>
>>What was their diet?
>
>
> I do have it written down .... let me see if I can find it. Aha...
> here it is. This diet REALLY WORKS. I was not hungry and it is the
> tricks in it that make it work. I had a hard time finishing my meals
> in fact.
>
>
> Diet
>
> -- 6 oz. protein in each meal (weight after cooking) - A MUST
> (can be eggs, meat, tofu,fish)
> -- vegetables are almost unlimited
> --½ cup only of carbs or 1 slice bread at each meal
>
> -- You cannot drink anything during meals (it makes you eat less and
> shrinks your stomach) This is for life.
> -- You can drink water 1/2 hour before and 1/2 hour afterwards.
> -- You must drink 64 ounces of water daily.
> -- Pace it around your meals.
> -- There is a specific list of supplements you must take daily.
> -- No alcohol..... AT ALL It makes you bloat and your liver swells.
> -- Only two cups of caffeinated beverage daily, and they are separate
> from the 64 oz. of water. (they have a diuretic effect)
>
> -- Take only 1 teaspoon size bites or even less, while eating.
> -- Eat as slowly as possible.
> -- Chew each bite as long and thoroughly as possible and swallow it
> all before taking another bite.
> -- You must eat all the protein on your plate before anything else.
> -- Only 3, one half cup servings of any carb product per day.
> -- Lots of vegetables.... almost unlimited with these three exceptions
> which count as a carb serving; Peas, Corn or Lima beans.
> -- No more than three tablespoons of fat per day.
> -- Four small servings of fruit daily. ( for example; half an apple,
> half a peach, half a banana, ½ cup of blueberries or
> strawberries)
> -- One meal per day must be a protein shake. You can add some fruit
> to it or mix your liquid calcium into it or even some tofu.
> -- you can have a salad with your shake if you wish.
>
> **************
> -- Shakes can be made with Almond or Soy milk or Skim milk.
> --Take a Biotin supplement to hopefully prevent hair loss due to
> malnutrition after the surgery, but start now.
> -- I get GNC hair skin and nails supplement.
> -- I will also need to make sure I get 100% of my zinc requirement.
>
> Veggies can be fresh or frozen, not canned.
> Fruits can be fresh or frozen, canned must be water pack only.
>
> No sugars including sugar alcohols. - Splenda is OK.
>
>

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:35:24 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> wrote:

>Evelyn, that is very similar to the original Weight Watchers diet on
>which I lost 90 pounds. That had only two slices of bread a day though
>and 3 pieces of fruit. Also 600ml of skimmed milk per day. Are you
>saying its actually two meals a day plus a protein shake meal?

Yes. And I lost 60 lbs years ago on that same original weight
watchers diet, and I love the similarity.

The shake is made with 1% milk so you are getting your protein in
powder form, and fat in that. You can also have a salad with it if
you want.

I lost some weight with that easily before the surgery and I could've
continued because it was so easy to follow.

But don't underestimate the tricks, like no water with a meal and
chewing every bite till it is GONE, before taking another bite. It
delays the amount of food you eat, and allows you to feel satisfied
sooner with less food.

Evelyn




>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:34 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:50:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>>>>news >>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Ozgirl.
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you taking pics of your "journey"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did take a "before" pic. As of this morning I am down 30 lbs
>>>> from
>>>> my highest weight. 12 lbs I lost on their diet, which was the
>>>> easiest diet I ever went on, before surgery. The rest I lost in the
>>>> two and a half weeks since.
>>>>
>>>> Evelyn
>>>
>>>What was their diet?
>>
>>
>> I do have it written down .... let me see if I can find it. Aha...
>> here it is. This diet REALLY WORKS. I was not hungry and it is the
>> tricks in it that make it work. I had a hard time finishing my meals
>> in fact.
>>
>>
>> Diet
>>
>> -- 6 oz. protein in each meal (weight after cooking) - A MUST
>> (can be eggs, meat, tofu,fish)
>> -- vegetables are almost unlimited
>> --½ cup only of carbs or 1 slice bread at each meal
>>
>> -- You cannot drink anything during meals (it makes you eat less and
>> shrinks your stomach) This is for life.
>> -- You can drink water 1/2 hour before and 1/2 hour afterwards.
>> -- You must drink 64 ounces of water daily.
>> -- Pace it around your meals.
>> -- There is a specific list of supplements you must take daily.
>> -- No alcohol..... AT ALL It makes you bloat and your liver swells.
>> -- Only two cups of caffeinated beverage daily, and they are separate
>> from the 64 oz. of water. (they have a diuretic effect)
>>
>> -- Take only 1 teaspoon size bites or even less, while eating.
>> -- Eat as slowly as possible.
>> -- Chew each bite as long and thoroughly as possible and swallow it
>> all before taking another bite.
>> -- You must eat all the protein on your plate before anything else.
>> -- Only 3, one half cup servings of any carb product per day.
>> -- Lots of vegetables.... almost unlimited with these three exceptions
>> which count as a carb serving; Peas, Corn or Lima beans.
>> -- No more than three tablespoons of fat per day.
>> -- Four small servings of fruit daily. ( for example; half an apple,
>> half a peach, half a banana, ½ cup of blueberries or
>> strawberries)
>> -- One meal per day must be a protein shake. You can add some fruit
>> to it or mix your liquid calcium into it or even some tofu.
>> -- you can have a salad with your shake if you wish.
>>
>> **************
>> -- Shakes can be made with Almond or Soy milk or Skim milk.
>> --Take a Biotin supplement to hopefully prevent hair loss due to
>> malnutrition after the surgery, but start now.
>> -- I get GNC hair skin and nails supplement.
>> -- I will also need to make sure I get 100% of my zinc requirement.
>>
>> Veggies can be fresh or frozen, not canned.
>> Fruits can be fresh or frozen, canned must be water pack only.
>>
>> No sugars including sugar alcohols. - Splenda is OK.
>>
>>

what time of protien powder did you use> Lee
"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:35:24 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> > wrote:
>
>>Evelyn, that is very similar to the original Weight Watchers diet on
>>which I lost 90 pounds. That had only two slices of bread a day though
>>and 3 pieces of fruit. Also 600ml of skimmed milk per day. Are you
>>saying its actually two meals a day plus a protein shake meal?
>
> Yes. And I lost 60 lbs years ago on that same original weight
> watchers diet, and I love the similarity.
>
> The shake is made with 1% milk so you are getting your protein in
> powder form, and fat in that. You can also have a salad with it if
> you want.
>
> I lost some weight with that easily before the surgery and I could've
> continued because it was so easy to follow.
>
> But don't underestimate the tricks, like no water with a meal and
> chewing every bite till it is GONE, before taking another bite. It
> delays the amount of food you eat, and allows you to feel satisfied
> sooner with less food.
>
> Evelyn
>
>
>
>
>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:34 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:50:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news6n857h4h07oglvqbed0cunqjm56q2h83q@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Ozgirl.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are you taking pics of your "journey"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did take a "before" pic. As of this morning I am down 30 lbs
>>>>> from
>>>>> my highest weight. 12 lbs I lost on their diet, which was the
>>>>> easiest diet I ever went on, before surgery. The rest I lost in the
>>>>> two and a half weeks since.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evelyn
>>>>
>>>>What was their diet?
>>>
>>>
>>> I do have it written down .... let me see if I can find it. Aha...
>>> here it is. This diet REALLY WORKS. I was not hungry and it is the
>>> tricks in it that make it work. I had a hard time finishing my meals
>>> in fact.
>>>
>>>
>>> Diet
>>>
>>> -- 6 oz. protein in each meal (weight after cooking) - A MUST
>>> (can be eggs, meat, tofu,fish)
>>> -- vegetables are almost unlimited
>>> --½ cup only of carbs or 1 slice bread at each meal
>>>
>>> -- You cannot drink anything during meals (it makes you eat less and
>>> shrinks your stomach) This is for life.
>>> -- You can drink water 1/2 hour before and 1/2 hour afterwards.
>>> -- You must drink 64 ounces of water daily.
>>> -- Pace it around your meals.
>>> -- There is a specific list of supplements you must take daily.
>>> -- No alcohol..... AT ALL It makes you bloat and your liver swells.
>>> -- Only two cups of caffeinated beverage daily, and they are separate
>>> from the 64 oz. of water. (they have a diuretic effect)
>>>
>>> -- Take only 1 teaspoon size bites or even less, while eating.
>>> -- Eat as slowly as possible.
>>> -- Chew each bite as long and thoroughly as possible and swallow it
>>> all before taking another bite.
>>> -- You must eat all the protein on your plate before anything else.
>>> -- Only 3, one half cup servings of any carb product per day.
>>> -- Lots of vegetables.... almost unlimited with these three exceptions
>>> which count as a carb serving; Peas, Corn or Lima beans.
>>> -- No more than three tablespoons of fat per day.
>>> -- Four small servings of fruit daily. ( for example; half an apple,
>>> half a peach, half a banana, ½ cup of blueberries or
>>> strawberries)
>>> -- One meal per day must be a protein shake. You can add some fruit
>>> to it or mix your liquid calcium into it or even some tofu.
>>> -- you can have a salad with your shake if you wish.
>>>
>>> **************
>>> -- Shakes can be made with Almond or Soy milk or Skim milk.
>>> --Take a Biotin supplement to hopefully prevent hair loss due to
>>> malnutrition after the surgery, but start now.
>>> -- I get GNC hair skin and nails supplement.
>>> -- I will also need to make sure I get 100% of my zinc requirement.
>>>
>>> Veggies can be fresh or frozen, not canned.
>>> Fruits can be fresh or frozen, canned must be water pack only.
>>>
>>> No sugars including sugar alcohols. - Splenda is OK.
>>>
>>>

On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:43:15 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

>what time of protien powder did you use> Lee


Bariatric Advantage. It's the best and really satisfies the appetite.
I tried a few, but that is the best one.

Evelyn




>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:35:24 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Evelyn, that is very similar to the original Weight Watchers diet on
>>>which I lost 90 pounds. That had only two slices of bread a day though
>>>and 3 pieces of fruit. Also 600ml of skimmed milk per day. Are you
>>>saying its actually two meals a day plus a protein shake meal?
>>
>> Yes. And I lost 60 lbs years ago on that same original weight
>> watchers diet, and I love the similarity.
>>
>> The shake is made with 1% milk so you are getting your protein in
>> powder form, and fat in that. You can also have a salad with it if
>> you want.
>>
>> I lost some weight with that easily before the surgery and I could've
>> continued because it was so easy to follow.
>>
>> But don't underestimate the tricks, like no water with a meal and
>> chewing every bite till it is GONE, before taking another bite. It
>> delays the amount of food you eat, and allows you to feel satisfied
>> sooner with less food.
>>
>> Evelyn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:34 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:50:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>news6n857h4h07oglvqbed0cunqjm56q2h83q@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Ozgirl.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Are you taking pics of your "journey"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did take a "before" pic. As of this morning I am down 30 lbs
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> my highest weight. 12 lbs I lost on their diet, which was the
>>>>>> easiest diet I ever went on, before surgery. The rest I lost in the
>>>>>> two and a half weeks since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evelyn
>>>>>
>>>>>What was their diet?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do have it written down .... let me see if I can find it. Aha...
>>>> here it is. This diet REALLY WORKS. I was not hungry and it is the
>>>> tricks in it that make it work. I had a hard time finishing my meals
>>>> in fact.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Diet
>>>>
>>>> -- 6 oz. protein in each meal (weight after cooking) - A MUST
>>>> (can be eggs, meat, tofu,fish)
>>>> -- vegetables are almost unlimited
>>>> --½ cup only of carbs or 1 slice bread at each meal
>>>>
>>>> -- You cannot drink anything during meals (it makes you eat less and
>>>> shrinks your stomach) This is for life.
>>>> -- You can drink water 1/2 hour before and 1/2 hour afterwards.
>>>> -- You must drink 64 ounces of water daily.
>>>> -- Pace it around your meals.
>>>> -- There is a specific list of supplements you must take daily.
>>>> -- No alcohol..... AT ALL It makes you bloat and your liver swells.
>>>> -- Only two cups of caffeinated beverage daily, and they are separate
>>>> from the 64 oz. of water. (they have a diuretic effect)
>>>>
>>>> -- Take only 1 teaspoon size bites or even less, while eating.
>>>> -- Eat as slowly as possible.
>>>> -- Chew each bite as long and thoroughly as possible and swallow it
>>>> all before taking another bite.
>>>> -- You must eat all the protein on your plate before anything else.
>>>> -- Only 3, one half cup servings of any carb product per day.
>>>> -- Lots of vegetables.... almost unlimited with these three exceptions
>>>> which count as a carb serving; Peas, Corn or Lima beans.
>>>> -- No more than three tablespoons of fat per day.
>>>> -- Four small servings of fruit daily. ( for example; half an apple,
>>>> half a peach, half a banana, ½ cup of blueberries or
>>>> strawberries)
>>>> -- One meal per day must be a protein shake. You can add some fruit
>>>> to it or mix your liquid calcium into it or even some tofu.
>>>> -- you can have a salad with your shake if you wish.
>>>>
>>>> **************
>>>> -- Shakes can be made with Almond or Soy milk or Skim milk.
>>>> --Take a Biotin supplement to hopefully prevent hair loss due to
>>>> malnutrition after the surgery, but start now.
>>>> -- I get GNC hair skin and nails supplement.
>>>> -- I will also need to make sure I get 100% of my zinc requirement.
>>>>
>>>> Veggies can be fresh or frozen, not canned.
>>>> Fruits can be fresh or frozen, canned must be water pack only.
>>>>
>>>> No sugars including sugar alcohols. - Splenda is OK.
>>>>
>>>>
>

is it over the counter or does it need a script? Lee
"Evelyn" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:43:15 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>>what time of protien powder did you use> Lee
>
>
> Bariatric Advantage. It's the best and really satisfies the appetite.
> I tried a few, but that is the best one.
>
> Evelyn
>
>
>
>
>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:35:24 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Evelyn, that is very similar to the original Weight Watchers diet on
>>>>which I lost 90 pounds. That had only two slices of bread a day though
>>>>and 3 pieces of fruit. Also 600ml of skimmed milk per day. Are you
>>>>saying its actually two meals a day plus a protein shake meal?
>>>
>>> Yes. And I lost 60 lbs years ago on that same original weight
>>> watchers diet, and I love the similarity.
>>>
>>> The shake is made with 1% milk so you are getting your protein in
>>> powder form, and fat in that. You can also have a salad with it if
>>> you want.
>>>
>>> I lost some weight with that easily before the surgery and I could've
>>> continued because it was so easy to follow.
>>>
>>> But don't underestimate the tricks, like no water with a meal and
>>> chewing every bite till it is GONE, before taking another bite. It
>>> delays the amount of food you eat, and allows you to feel satisfied
>>> sooner with less food.
>>>
>>> Evelyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:34 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:92m957lhb9t0puc7hlpfiel8u1n350seqv@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:50:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news6n857h4h07oglvqbed0cunqjm56q2h83q@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Ozgirl.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Are you taking pics of your "journey"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did take a "before" pic. As of this morning I am down 30 lbs
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> my highest weight. 12 lbs I lost on their diet, which was the
>>>>>>> easiest diet I ever went on, before surgery. The rest I lost in the
>>>>>>> two and a half weeks since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Evelyn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What was their diet?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do have it written down .... let me see if I can find it. Aha...
>>>>> here it is. This diet REALLY WORKS. I was not hungry and it is the
>>>>> tricks in it that make it work. I had a hard time finishing my meals
>>>>> in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Diet
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 6 oz. protein in each meal (weight after cooking) - A MUST
>>>>> (can be eggs, meat, tofu,fish)
>>>>> -- vegetables are almost unlimited
>>>>> --½ cup only of carbs or 1 slice bread at each meal
>>>>>
>>>>> -- You cannot drink anything during meals (it makes you eat less and
>>>>> shrinks your stomach) This is for life.
>>>>> -- You can drink water 1/2 hour before and 1/2 hour afterwards.
>>>>> -- You must drink 64 ounces of water daily.
>>>>> -- Pace it around your meals.
>>>>> -- There is a specific list of supplements you must take daily.
>>>>> -- No alcohol..... AT ALL It makes you bloat and your liver swells.
>>>>> -- Only two cups of caffeinated beverage daily, and they are separate
>>>>> from the 64 oz. of water. (they have a diuretic effect)
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Take only 1 teaspoon size bites or even less, while eating.
>>>>> -- Eat as slowly as possible.
>>>>> -- Chew each bite as long and thoroughly as possible and swallow it
>>>>> all before taking another bite.
>>>>> -- You must eat all the protein on your plate before anything else.
>>>>> -- Only 3, one half cup servings of any carb product per day.
>>>>> -- Lots of vegetables.... almost unlimited with these three exceptions
>>>>> which count as a carb serving; Peas, Corn or Lima beans.
>>>>> -- No more than three tablespoons of fat per day.
>>>>> -- Four small servings of fruit daily. ( for example; half an apple,
>>>>> half a peach, half a banana, ½ cup of blueberries or
>>>>> strawberries)
>>>>> -- One meal per day must be a protein shake. You can add some fruit
>>>>> to it or mix your liquid calcium into it or even some tofu.
>>>>> -- you can have a salad with your shake if you wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> **************
>>>>> -- Shakes can be made with Almond or Soy milk or Skim milk.
>>>>> --Take a Biotin supplement to hopefully prevent hair loss due to
>>>>> malnutrition after the surgery, but start now.
>>>>> -- I get GNC hair skin and nails supplement.
>>>>> -- I will also need to make sure I get 100% of my zinc requirement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Veggies can be fresh or frozen, not canned.
>>>>> Fruits can be fresh or frozen, canned must be water pack only.
>>>>>
>>>>> No sugars including sugar alcohols. - Splenda is OK.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:43:15 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>>what time of protien powder did you use> Lee
>
>
> Bariatric Advantage. It's the best and really satisfies the appetite.
> I tried a few, but that is the best one.
>
> Evelyn
>
>
>
>
>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:35:24 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Evelyn, that is very similar to the original Weight Watchers diet on
>>>>which I lost 90 pounds. That had only two slices of bread a day though
>>>>and 3 pieces of fruit. Also 600ml of skimmed milk per day. Are you
>>>>saying its actually two meals a day plus a protein shake meal?
>>>
>>> Yes. And I lost 60 lbs years ago on that same original weight
>>> watchers diet, and I love the similarity.
>>>
>>> The shake is made with 1% milk so you are getting your protein in
>>> powder form, and fat in that. You can also have a salad with it if
>>> you want.
>>>
>>> I lost some weight with that easily before the surgery and I could've
>>> continued because it was so easy to follow.
>>>
>>> But don't underestimate the tricks, like no water with a meal and
>>> chewing every bite till it is GONE, before taking another bite. It
>>> delays the amount of food you eat, and allows you to feel satisfied
>>> sooner with less food.
>>>
>>> Evelyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:24:34 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:92m957lhb9t0puc7hlpfiel8u1n350seqv@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:50:25 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news6n857h4h07oglvqbed0cunqjm56q2h83q@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:22:12 +1000, "Ozgirl"
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Ozgirl.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Are you taking pics of your "journey"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did take a "before" pic. As of this morning I am down 30 lbs
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> my highest weight. 12 lbs I lost on their diet, which was the
>>>>>>> easiest diet I ever went on, before surgery. The rest I lost in the
>>>>>>> two and a half weeks since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Evelyn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What was their diet?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do have it written down .... let me see if I can find it. Aha...
>>>>> here it is. This diet REALLY WORKS. I was not hungry and it is the
>>>>> tricks in it that make it work. I had a hard time finishing my meals
>>>>> in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Diet
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 6 oz. protein in each meal (weight after cooking) - A MUST
>>>>> (can be eggs, meat, tofu,fish)
>>>>> -- vegetables are almost unlimited
>>>>> --½ cup only of carbs or 1 slice bread at each meal
>>>>>
>>>>> -- You cannot drink anything during meals (it makes you eat less and
>>>>> shrinks your stomach) This is for life.
>>>>> -- You can drink water 1/2 hour before and 1/2 hour afterwards.
>>>>> -- You must drink 64 ounces of water daily.
>>>>> -- Pace it around your meals.
>>>>> -- There is a specific list of supplements you must take daily.
>>>>> -- No alcohol..... AT ALL It makes you bloat and your liver swells.
>>>>> -- Only two cups of caffeinated beverage daily, and they are separate
>>>>> from the 64 oz. of water. (they have a diuretic effect)
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Take only 1 teaspoon size bites or even less, while eating.
>>>>> -- Eat as slowly as possible.
>>>>> -- Chew each bite as long and thoroughly as possible and swallow it
>>>>> all before taking another bite.
>>>>> -- You must eat all the protein on your plate before anything else.
>>>>> -- Only 3, one half cup servings of any carb product per day.
>>>>> -- Lots of vegetables.... almost unlimited with these three exceptions
>>>>> which count as a carb serving; Peas, Corn or Lima beans.
>>>>> -- No more than three tablespoons of fat per day.
>>>>> -- Four small servings of fruit daily. ( for example; half an apple,
>>>>> half a peach, half a banana, ½ cup of blueberries or
>>>>> strawberries)
>>>>> -- One meal per day must be a protein shake. You can add some fruit
>>>>> to it or mix your liquid calcium into it or even some tofu.
>>>>> -- you can have a salad with your shake if you wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> **************
>>>>> -- Shakes can be made with Almond or Soy milk or Skim milk.
>>>>> --Take a Biotin supplement to hopefully prevent hair loss due to
>>>>> malnutrition after the surgery, but start now.
>>>>> -- I get GNC hair skin and nails supplement.
>>>>> -- I will also need to make sure I get 100% of my zinc requirement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Veggies can be fresh or frozen, not canned.
>>>>> Fruits can be fresh or frozen, canned must be water pack only.
>>>>>
>>>>> No sugars including sugar alcohols. - Splenda is OK.

Wow. I wouldn't make it a week on that diet! Once in a while I can eat
that much protein but normally it makes me feel unwell to eat that much. I
have never been able to get any kind of shake down and keep it down. If I
try to swallow it, it comes right back up. 4 pieces of fruit would be
difficult for me to eat too. I probably eat that much in 6 months or a
year. And the veggies would be too hard for me to digest.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:13:49 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

>is it over the counter or does it need a script?

Online at Amazon. No scrip

interesting, protien powder is something i have never looked into, i only
started just looking at it in relation to using it as a binder for
sausage/meatloaf, Lee
"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:13:49 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>>is it over the counter or does it need a script?
>
> Online at Amazon. No scrip

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:53:34 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

>interesting, protien powder is something i have never looked into, i only
>started just looking at it in relation to using it as a binder for
>sausage/meatloaf, Lee


It is protein from whey. They do have an unflavored, but it is
mostly sold as vanilla and chocolate flavored.


>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:13:49 -0500, "Storrmmee"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>is it over the counter or does it need a script?
>>
>> Online at Amazon. No scrip
>

i am thinkin chocolate meatloaf might not do, lol, Lee
"Evelyn" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:53:34 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>>interesting, protien powder is something i have never looked into, i only
>>started just looking at it in relation to using it as a binder for
>>sausage/meatloaf, Lee
>
>
> It is protein from whey. They do have an unflavored, but it is
> mostly sold as vanilla and chocolate flavored.
>
>
>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:13:49 -0500, "Storrmmee"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>is it over the counter or does it need a script?
>>>
>>> Online at Amazon. No scrip
>>

"Alan S" > wrote in message
...

> Some may recall Patti from a.s.d.uk; she started that forum. I
> recommend it to UK people or any other mmolers. I was a bit sad to get
> chased out of a.s.d, but that's life I suppose. Actually, I was very
> sad.

You were chased out? That really doesn't fit your posting history through
the years Alan. I can't imagine anyone chasing you out of anyplace that you
*wanted* to be. Good to hear that it goes well with you though.

Cheri

"Alan S" > wrote in message
news
>>Cheri
>
> I won't dwell on it Cheri. Partly because it hurts too much.
>
> It wasn't Kurt or Bob who chased me out. I could always handle them.
> Barbs from known enemies don't puncture the skin. But wounds from
> friends go deep.
>
> In December I reported the publication of my book.
> >
>
> As a brand new nervous author I was naively hoping for a little bit of
> praise, or at least a cyber-pat on the head. A few people did respond
> that way. But I was very hurt and shocked when some I had thought were
> friends treated me like a spammer. I thought I had earned the right
> with a presence helping newbies over the years to treatment a little
> kinder than that.
>
> I received a very different response on other forums. I'm human. I
> stayed where I felt I was appreciated. I departed a place where I
> obviously wasn't.
>
> I had been there since 2002. And I still feel I learned more on asd
> and mhd than any of the many other sources of diabetes information I
> have read over that period. I praise you all in other places.
>
> Anyway, I don't want to dwell on it or hijack Evelyn's good news. I'll
> drop in here once in a blue moon, but on asd never again.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d & e; metformin 2000mg

I do understand Alan, and I do believe that I've always said what a great
help you have been to me personally, but...I still don't believe *you*
should have advertised your book with a link there. You could easily have
emailed just about anybody to mention it for you, I know I would have, just
like we did for Quentin's book, but...it's an old story now and your
feelings are certainly valid. Take care.

Cheri

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> i am thinkin chocolate meatloaf might not do, lol, Lee

You never know lee, sausages come in so many flavours now

> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:53:34 -0500, "Storrmmee"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>interesting, protien powder is something i have never looked into, i
>>>only
>>>started just looking at it in relation to using it as a binder for
>>>sausage/meatloaf, Lee
>>
>>
>> It is protein from whey. They do have an unflavored, but it is
>> mostly sold as vanilla and chocolate flavored.

"atec77" > wrote in message
...
> On 26/08/2011 2:19 PM, Alan S wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:57:46 -0400, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:39:32 +1000, Alan S
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 06:52:00 -0400, >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to let my friends on this newsgroup know that I had gastric
>>>>> surgery a couple of weeks ago. I have already lost almost 30 lbs
>>>> >from my highest weight. I lost twelve lbs before going into the
>>>>> hospital and the rest since the surgery. The surgery my doctor
>>>>> chose
>>>>> was the gastric sleeve, which is less invasive than the bypass.
>>>>>
>>>>> The good news is that I have great energy, and am not using ANY
>>>>> diabetes meds or insulin at this time. My numbers are great, but
>>>>> then I am not eating hardly anything at all. Last night I had my
>>>>> first soft boiled egg. Till now it has only been protein shakes
>>>>> for
>>>>> all my meals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am glad I did it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evelyn
>>>>
>>>> Hello Evelyn
>>>>
>>>> I rarely post on usenet these days, but I cannot let your post pass
>>>> unnoticed.
>>>>
>>>> Wishing you the very best for rapid healing. I hope the surgery
>>>> achieves your aims and wish you the very best of good health for
>>>> the
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> Lovely to see you again.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>>>> d& e; metformin 2000mg
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan, thank you so much for the good wishes. Your posts were always
>>> among my favorites! How are you doing these days?
>>>
>>> Evelyn
>>
>> I'm fine. I spend most of my time, when I'm not wandering the far
>> side
>> of the world or writing blogs and books, on the ADA, dLIfe and DSF.UK
>> forums these days. With occasional drop-ins on TuDiabetes and a few
>> others.
>>
>> I went to the UK and Europe (France, Switzerland, Italy, Croatia,
>> Bosnia and Herzegovina, Russia) via Malaysia and India over May/June.
>> A highlight for me was a get-together with the DSF.UK group near
>> Birmingham.
>>
>> Pics here, msg 321 and onwards:
>> http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/f...5726751/s-315/
>>
>> Some may recall Patti from a.s.d.uk; she started that forum. I
>> recommend it to UK people or any other mmolers. I was a bit sad to
>> get
>> chased out of a.s.d, but that's life I suppose. Actually, I was very
>> sad.
>>
>> Good to see you are doing well and I sincerely hope this procedure
>> helps you achieve your goals.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> d& e; metformin 2000mg
>

GiDay Al
> Just for an update I have just finished a drug trial on a once a week
> pill , seemed to work and now the same company here in Brisbane is
> testing a new form of spray injected insulin thingy , I know little
> about that as I am not participating however it looks like with the
> current speed of advancements a couple of years will certainly see
> much easier treatment and with the advances from New Zealand a viable
> solution is near

What drug? Or aren't you allowed to say.

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:51:00 +1000, Alan S
> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:23:36 -0700, "Cheri" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Alan S" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>> Some may recall Patti from a.s.d.uk; she started that forum. I
>>> recommend it to UK people or any other mmolers. I was a bit sad to get
>>> chased out of a.s.d, but that's life I suppose. Actually, I was very
>>> sad.
>>
>>You were chased out? That really doesn't fit your posting history through
>>the years Alan. I can't imagine anyone chasing you out of anyplace that you
>>*wanted* to be. Good to hear that it goes well with you though.
>>
>>Cheri
>
>I won't dwell on it Cheri. Partly because it hurts too much.
>
>It wasn't Kurt or Bob who chased me out. I could always handle them.
>Barbs from known enemies don't puncture the skin. But wounds from
>friends go deep.
>
>In December I reported the publication of my book.
>
>
>As a brand new nervous author I was naively hoping for a little bit of
>praise, or at least a cyber-pat on the head. A few people did respond
>that way. But I was very hurt and shocked when some I had thought were
>friends treated me like a spammer. I thought I had earned the right
>with a presence helping newbies over the years to treatment a little
>kinder than that.
>
>I received a very different response on other forums. I'm human. I
>stayed where I felt I was appreciated. I departed a place where I
>obviously wasn't.
>
>I had been there since 2002. And I still feel I learned more on asd
>and mhd than any of the many other sources of diabetes information I
>have read over that period. I praise you all in other places.
>
>Anyway, I don't want to dwell on it or hijack Evelyn's good news. I'll
>drop in here once in a blue moon, but on asd never again.
>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>d & e; metformin 2000mg


Alan I am astonished that you left there. I left too, but it was for
time constraints, not due to anyone harassing me. I still come in
here though, because I still do love to cook, and enjoy those who post
here.

Evelyn

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...

> I personally think that Alan was always one of the best posters there,
> and along with Quentin, always gave good information. It is a shame
> he was attacked for doing what the group's purpose is..... purportedly
> to support people with diabetes.

He was not "attacked," and selling ones own book outright is the not the
*purpose* of the group either. None of that has a thing to do with whether
Alan was a great poster or not, I think pretty much everybody thinks he was.
EOD on my part, since we've already been there done that, and as you
say..."But that is just my opinion, and frankly I don't give a hoot if
anyone disagrees with it." Ditto that.

Cheri

good point, a friend just got some chicken sausage with artichokes and mozz
cheese, she liked them, but they didn't return the favor, Lee
"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> i am thinkin chocolate meatloaf might not do, lol, Lee
>
> You never know lee, sausages come in so many flavours now
>
>> "Evelyn" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:53:34 -0500, "Storrmmee"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>interesting, protien powder is something i have never looked into, i
>>>>only
>>>>started just looking at it in relation to using it as a binder for
>>>>sausage/meatloaf, Lee
>>>
>>>
>>> It is protein from whey. They do have an unflavored, but it is
>>> mostly sold as vanilla and chocolate flavored.
>
>

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...

> IMO ASD lost a lot because of the pettiness of a very small few, who
> appear to agree with each other on a lot of different issues.

Then maybe we can agree to leave this *old news* and pettiness behind in the
diabetic FOOD group and take it back to ASD if you're wanting to carry it
on.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> IMO ASD lost a lot because of the pettiness of a very small few, who
>> appear to agree with each other on a lot of different issues.
>
> Then maybe we can agree to leave this *old news* and pettiness behind
> in the diabetic FOOD group and take it back to ASD if you're wanting
> to carry it on.
>
> Cheri

Umm, who made the first response to Alan about this issue in this
thread? Who was the second to comment from the Three Musketeers? Who
also said EOD? Enuf said.

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> IMO ASD lost a lot because of the pettiness of a very small few, who
>>> appear to agree with each other on a lot of different issues.
>>
>> Then maybe we can agree to leave this *old news* and pettiness behind in
>> the diabetic FOOD group and take it back to ASD if you're wanting to
>> carry it on.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Umm, who made the first response to Alan about this issue in this thread?
> Who was the second to comment from the Three Musketeers? Who also said
> EOD? Enuf said.

Yes, Alan specifically responded to *me.* I was not the person who brought
it up, he did. I believe I said that I didn't believe anyone could run him
off if he didn't want to go. You're like a little yapping dog nipping at
peoples heels while trying to stir stuff up that's long dead...so bite me
Jan.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> IMO ASD lost a lot because of the pettiness of a very small few,
>>>> who appear to agree with each other on a lot of different issues.
>>>
>>> Then maybe we can agree to leave this *old news* and pettiness
>>> behind in the diabetic FOOD group and take it back to ASD if you're
>>> wanting to carry it on.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Umm, who made the first response to Alan about this issue in this
>> thread? Who was the second to comment from the Three Musketeers? Who
>> also said EOD? Enuf said.
>
> Yes, Alan specifically responded to *me.* I was not the person who
> brought it up, he did. I believe I said that I didn't believe anyone
> could run him off if he didn't want to go. You're like a little
> yapping dog nipping at peoples heels while trying to stir stuff up
> that's long dead...so bite me Jan.

He said he was chased out, no names mentioned, you picked up and ran
with the ball after that. I also said you "responded" to him over the
old news, not that you initiated it. If you didn't want to rehash old
news you could have ignored his post to Evelyn. If you sincerely wanted
to keep stuff dead then you would have said nothing. I am not interested
in biting people, just setting things straight.

My message to you still stands. You "did" make the first response about
the issue to Alan, seconded by Susan. The same two people in the
original 136 post thread that criticised him for being blatantly
commercial. So in your own words, if you didn't want stuff stirred up
why the hack did you respond to him in the first place. You knew it was
provocative as it elicited so many responses in ASD. And that's all I am
saying about it. Sorry Evelyn.

On 27/08/2011 10:44 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> IMO ASD lost a lot because of the pettiness of a very small few, who
>>>> appear to agree with each other on a lot of different issues.
>>>
>>> Then maybe we can agree to leave this *old news* and pettiness behind
>>> in the diabetic FOOD group and take it back to ASD if you're wanting
>>> to carry it on.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Umm, who made the first response to Alan about this issue in this
>> thread? Who was the second to comment from the Three Musketeers? Who
>> also said EOD? Enuf said.
>
> Yes, Alan specifically responded to *me.* I was not the person who
> brought it up, he did. I believe I said that I didn't believe anyone
> could run him off if he didn't want to go. You're like a little yapping
> dog nipping at peoples heels while trying to stir stuff up that's long
> dead...so bite me Jan.
>
> Cheri

Please don't Jan not without getting all the required shots, I would
hate to see you catch something nasty :-)

I guess we are using 2 different dictionaries the one I use criticise
and attacked are the right words to describe what happened.

YMMV

(- -)
=m=(_)=m=
RodS T2
Australia

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...

> I am only just starting to eat real food again. It is great! I get
> "full" on just a couple of tablespoons of anything.
>
> Evelyn

Are you still interested in cooking for others?

Cheri

On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:19:23 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>> I am only just starting to eat real food again. It is great! I get
>> "full" on just a couple of tablespoons of anything.
>>
>> Evelyn
>
>Are you still interested in cooking for others?
>
>Cheri


Hi Cheri,

Yes, in fact it is easier, since I don't eat much now, I can focus on
getting the meal together for others. Just now I am only feeding
hubby, so it is even easier.

Yesterday I got a very good deal when I shopped for my cottage cheese
and yogurt and such. I noticed that a local market had huge bags of
chicken legs (grade a) for sale very cheap. For about $3.40 I got 8
very fresh chicken legs with thighs. (Wendy will know about ADAMS
market).

I went home and made an awesome chicken-vegetable soup. I made 8
quarts of really delicious soup out of it. It helped me get rid of a
lot of soup veggies that were laying around a while. Still good, but
not for much longer if I didn't use them up.

At the store, I noticed there was also for sale, some chicken feet. I
have heard that they are good in soup, so I bought one package and
tossed them in with the chicken legs when I made the soup. It was
wonderful!!! It jelled up when cold very nicely. Very rich.

I also put in that soup, two cans of diced tomatoes, 1 cup marsala
wine, salt, pepper, dried thyme, red pepper flakes, a bunch of fresh
basil my neighbor gave me, a sprinkle of dried oregano. Chopped
onion, celery (with the tops), carrots, one parsnip, a couple of
smallish potatoes.

First I cooked the legs and feet in the water along with the wine,
herbs and canned tomatoes. When they were cooking, I chopped all
the vegetables, and added them as I went along. Because I need
everything chopped very small, I used my food processor to chop the
vegetables, by pulsing it. Ordinarily I would use about a half inch
or less, dice.

When the legs seemed to be separating from the bone a bit, I removed
them to a platter, let them cool down, and removed the meat from the
bones and chopped it in nice bite size pieces, to add back to the pot.
(Tossed away all the skin and bones).

I removed the chicken feet and put them aside also, but there didn't
seem to be much I could do with them, so I tossed them too. But it
did make an incredibly rich broth. I can see why people use them for
broth!

I added some cooked barley and a can of kidney beans to the pot and
let it all cool down till I could put it away in the freezer. Good
lunches for the future!

Today we had some for lunch and it was absolutely AWESOME. Because
it is mostly liquid I was able to eat about 1 cup of it. I have to
chew the meat and barley and veggie bits very thoroughly. But it was
really good!!!

I make incredibly delicious soups, if I do say so myself.

We share a quart of soup every day at lunch, sometimes also splitting
a sandwich or a buttered roll. I can't eat that now, so hubby ate a
whole roll himself with it.

Evelyn

I love good sales..especially these days.

my local store had a 98 cent a pound pork pack sale which had a roast and
chops and country ribs..so got a huge pack yesterday and grilled it all on
the grill and now will have yummy food all week...in salads and with lo carb
bbq sauce and even pulled and used in a omelet..yum!

oh and I even make pseudo Asian pork wraps using Asian sauce and
lettuce..soooo good!

KROM


"Evelyn" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:19:23 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>> I am only just starting to eat real food again. It is great! I get
>> "full" on just a couple of tablespoons of anything.
>>
>> Evelyn
>
>Are you still interested in cooking for others?
>
>Cheri


Hi Cheri,

Yes, in fact it is easier, since I don't eat much now, I can focus on
getting the meal together for others. Just now I am only feeding
hubby, so it is even easier.

Yesterday I got a very good deal when I shopped for my cottage cheese
and yogurt and such. I noticed that a local market had huge bags of
chicken legs (grade a) for sale very cheap. For about $3.40 I got 8
very fresh chicken legs with thighs. (Wendy will know about ADAMS
market).

I went home and made an awesome chicken-vegetable soup. I made 8
quarts of really delicious soup out of it. It helped me get rid of a
lot of soup veggies that were laying around a while. Still good, but
not for much longer if I didn't use them up.

At the store, I noticed there was also for sale, some chicken feet. I
have heard that they are good in soup, so I bought one package and
tossed them in with the chicken legs when I made the soup. It was
wonderful!!! It jelled up when cold very nicely. Very rich.

I also put in that soup, two cans of diced tomatoes, 1 cup marsala
wine, salt, pepper, dried thyme, red pepper flakes, a bunch of fresh
basil my neighbor gave me, a sprinkle of dried oregano. Chopped
onion, celery (with the tops), carrots, one parsnip, a couple of
smallish potatoes.

First I cooked the legs and feet in the water along with the wine,
herbs and canned tomatoes. When they were cooking, I chopped all
the vegetables, and added them as I went along. Because I need
everything chopped very small, I used my food processor to chop the
vegetables, by pulsing it. Ordinarily I would use about a half inch
or less, dice.

When the legs seemed to be separating from the bone a bit, I removed
them to a platter, let them cool down, and removed the meat from the
bones and chopped it in nice bite size pieces, to add back to the pot.
(Tossed away all the skin and bones).

I removed the chicken feet and put them aside also, but there didn't
seem to be much I could do with them, so I tossed them too. But it
did make an incredibly rich broth. I can see why people use them for
broth!

I added some cooked barley and a can of kidney beans to the pot and
let it all cool down till I could put it away in the freezer. Good
lunches for the future!

Today we had some for lunch and it was absolutely AWESOME. Because
it is mostly liquid I was able to eat about 1 cup of it. I have to
chew the meat and barley and veggie bits very thoroughly. But it was
really good!!!

I make incredibly delicious soups, if I do say so myself.

We share a quart of soup every day at lunch, sometimes also splitting
a sandwich or a buttered roll. I can't eat that now, so hubby ate a
whole roll himself with it.

Evelyn

there are several recipes for chicken feet, and if cooked enough make
wonderful pet snacks, you will have to google for them, and i know it has
been discussed on rfc but its not something that ever attracted me, Lee
"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:19:23 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Evelyn" > wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>> I am only just starting to eat real food again. It is great! I get
>>> "full" on just a couple of tablespoons of anything.
>>>
>>> Evelyn
>>
>>Are you still interested in cooking for others?
>>
>>Cheri
>
>
> Hi Cheri,
>
> Yes, in fact it is easier, since I don't eat much now, I can focus on
> getting the meal together for others. Just now I am only feeding
> hubby, so it is even easier.
>
> Yesterday I got a very good deal when I shopped for my cottage cheese
> and yogurt and such. I noticed that a local market had huge bags of
> chicken legs (grade a) for sale very cheap. For about $3.40 I got 8
> very fresh chicken legs with thighs. (Wendy will know about ADAMS
> market).
>
> I went home and made an awesome chicken-vegetable soup. I made 8
> quarts of really delicious soup out of it. It helped me get rid of a
> lot of soup veggies that were laying around a while. Still good, but
> not for much longer if I didn't use them up.
>
> At the store, I noticed there was also for sale, some chicken feet. I
> have heard that they are good in soup, so I bought one package and
> tossed them in with the chicken legs when I made the soup. It was
> wonderful!!! It jelled up when cold very nicely. Very rich.
>
> I also put in that soup, two cans of diced tomatoes, 1 cup marsala
> wine, salt, pepper, dried thyme, red pepper flakes, a bunch of fresh
> basil my neighbor gave me, a sprinkle of dried oregano. Chopped
> onion, celery (with the tops), carrots, one parsnip, a couple of
> smallish potatoes.
>
> First I cooked the legs and feet in the water along with the wine,
> herbs and canned tomatoes. When they were cooking, I chopped all
> the vegetables, and added them as I went along. Because I need
> everything chopped very small, I used my food processor to chop the
> vegetables, by pulsing it. Ordinarily I would use about a half inch
> or less, dice.
>
> When the legs seemed to be separating from the bone a bit, I removed
> them to a platter, let them cool down, and removed the meat from the
> bones and chopped it in nice bite size pieces, to add back to the pot.
> (Tossed away all the skin and bones).
>
> I removed the chicken feet and put them aside also, but there didn't
> seem to be much I could do with them, so I tossed them too. But it
> did make an incredibly rich broth. I can see why people use them for
> broth!
>
> I added some cooked barley and a can of kidney beans to the pot and
> let it all cool down till I could put it away in the freezer. Good
> lunches for the future!
>
> Today we had some for lunch and it was absolutely AWESOME. Because
> it is mostly liquid I was able to eat about 1 cup of it. I have to
> chew the meat and barley and veggie bits very thoroughly. But it was
> really good!!!
>
> I make incredibly delicious soups, if I do say so myself.
>
> We share a quart of soup every day at lunch, sometimes also splitting
> a sandwich or a buttered roll. I can't eat that now, so hubby ate a
> whole roll himself with it.
>
> Evelyn
>

"Evelyn" > wrote in message
...
> We share a quart of soup every day at lunch, sometimes also splitting
> a sandwich or a buttered roll. I can't eat that now, so hubby ate a
> whole roll himself with it.
>
> Evelyn

Wow, that sounds good. I was wondering because sometimes in the early years,
I didn't really like to cook sometimes due to not eating a lot of it, but
I'm over that now, and dh is doing mostly LC now so that helps. I'm really
glad it's going so well for you. :-)

Cheri

Evelyn > wrote:
: On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:19:23 -0700, "Cheri" >
: wrote:

: >"Evelyn" > wrote in message
: .. .
: >
: >> I am only just starting to eat real food again. It is great! I get
: >> "full" on just a couple of tablespoons of anything.
: >>
: >> Evelyn
: >
: >Are you still interested in cooking for others?
: >
: >Cheri


: Hi Cheri,

: Yes, in fact it is easier, since I don't eat much now, I can focus on
: getting the meal together for others. Just now I am only feeding
: hubby, so it is even easier.

: Yesterday I got a very good deal when I shopped for my cottage cheese
: and yogurt and such. I noticed that a local market had huge bags of
: chicken legs (grade a) for sale very cheap. For about $3.40 I got 8
: very fresh chicken legs with thighs. (Wendy will know about ADAMS
: market).

: I went home and made an awesome chicken-vegetable soup. I made 8
: quarts of really delicious soup out of it. It helped me get rid of a
: lot of soup veggies that were laying around a while. Still good, but
: not for much longer if I didn't use them up.

: At the store, I noticed there was also for sale, some chicken feet. I
: have heard that they are good in soup, so I bought one package and
: tossed them in with the chicken legs when I made the soup. It was
: wonderful!!! It jelled up when cold very nicely. Very rich.

: I also put in that soup, two cans of diced tomatoes, 1 cup marsala
: wine, salt, pepper, dried thyme, red pepper flakes, a bunch of fresh
: basil my neighbor gave me, a sprinkle of dried oregano. Chopped
: onion, celery (with the tops), carrots, one parsnip, a couple of
: smallish potatoes.

: First I cooked the legs and feet in the water along with the wine,
: herbs and canned tomatoes. When they were cooking, I chopped all
: the vegetables, and added them as I went along. Because I need
: everything chopped very small, I used my food processor to chop the
: vegetables, by pulsing it. Ordinarily I would use about a half inch
: or less, dice.

: When the legs seemed to be separating from the bone a bit, I removed
: them to a platter, let them cool down, and removed the meat from the
: bones and chopped it in nice bite size pieces, to add back to the pot.
: (Tossed away all the skin and bones).

: I removed the chicken feet and put them aside also, but there didn't
: seem to be much I could do with them, so I tossed them too. But it
: did make an incredibly rich broth. I can see why people use them for
: broth!

: I added some cooked barley and a can of kidney beans to the pot and
: let it all cool down till I could put it away in the freezer. Good
: lunches for the future!

: Today we had some for lunch and it was absolutely AWESOME. Because
: it is mostly liquid I was able to eat about 1 cup of it. I have to
: chew the meat and barley and veggie bits very thoroughly. But it was
: really good!!!

: I make incredibly delicious soups, if I do say so myself.

: We share a quart of soup every day at lunch, sometimes also splitting
: a sandwich or a buttered roll. I can't eat that now, so hubby ate a
: whole roll himself with it.

: Evelyn

That soup sounds lively. I wish Adams had kosher mea:-( I pay tht much
fo a pound of chicken these days!

Question aboaut the chicken feet. had hey been cleaned(skinned, etc) I
remember my mother singing the feet over the gas burner to get the sin
and hairy stuff off. Just wondering.

Wendy

On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 15:03:44 -0500, "KROM" > wrote:

>I love good sales..especially these days.
>
>my local store had a 98 cent a pound pork pack sale which had a roast and
>chops and country ribs..so got a huge pack yesterday and grilled it all on
>the grill and now will have yummy food all week...in salads and with lo carb
>bbq sauce and even pulled and used in a omelet..yum!
>
>oh and I even make pseudo Asian pork wraps using Asian sauce and
>lettuce..soooo good!
>
>KROM


There are all kinds of good deals on meats these days! I am only
allowed to eat fish or chicken at this time.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:52:57 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
> wrote:

>Evelyn > wrote:
>: On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:19:23 -0700, "Cheri" >
>: wrote:
>
>: >"Evelyn" > wrote in message
>: .. .
>: >
>: >> I am only just starting to eat real food again. It is great! I get
>: >> "full" on just a couple of tablespoons of anything.
>: >>
>: >> Evelyn
>: >
>: >Are you still interested in cooking for others?
>: >
>: >Cheri
>
>
>: Hi Cheri,
>
>: Yes, in fact it is easier, since I don't eat much now, I can focus on
>: getting the meal together for others. Just now I am only feeding
>: hubby, so it is even easier.
>
>: Yesterday I got a very good deal when I shopped for my cottage cheese
>: and yogurt and such. I noticed that a local market had huge bags of
>: chicken legs (grade a) for sale very cheap. For about $3.40 I got 8
>: very fresh chicken legs with thighs. (Wendy will know about ADAMS
>: market).
>
>: I went home and made an awesome chicken-vegetable soup. I made 8
>: quarts of really delicious soup out of it. It helped me get rid of a
>: lot of soup veggies that were laying around a while. Still good, but
>: not for much longer if I didn't use them up.
>
>: At the store, I noticed there was also for sale, some chicken feet. I
>: have heard that they are good in soup, so I bought one package and
>: tossed them in with the chicken legs when I made the soup. It was
>: wonderful!!! It jelled up when cold very nicely. Very rich.
>
>: I also put in that soup, two cans of diced tomatoes, 1 cup marsala
>: wine, salt, pepper, dried thyme, red pepper flakes, a bunch of fresh
>: basil my neighbor gave me, a sprinkle of dried oregano. Chopped
>: onion, celery (with the tops), carrots, one parsnip, a couple of
>: smallish potatoes.
>
>: First I cooked the legs and feet in the water along with the wine,
>: herbs and canned tomatoes. When they were cooking, I chopped all
>: the vegetables, and added them as I went along. Because I need
>: everything chopped very small, I used my food processor to chop the
>: vegetables, by pulsing it. Ordinarily I would use about a half inch
>: or less, dice.
>
>: When the legs seemed to be separating from the bone a bit, I removed
>: them to a platter, let them cool down, and removed the meat from the
>: bones and chopped it in nice bite size pieces, to add back to the pot.
>: (Tossed away all the skin and bones).
>
>: I removed the chicken feet and put them aside also, but there didn't
>: seem to be much I could do with them, so I tossed them too. But it
>: did make an incredibly rich broth. I can see why people use them for
>: broth!
>
>: I added some cooked barley and a can of kidney beans to the pot and
>: let it all cool down till I could put it away in the freezer. Good
>: lunches for the future!
>
>: Today we had some for lunch and it was absolutely AWESOME. Because
>: it is mostly liquid I was able to eat about 1 cup of it. I have to
>: chew the meat and barley and veggie bits very thoroughly. But it was
>: really good!!!
>
>: I make incredibly delicious soups, if I do say so myself.
>
>: We share a quart of soup every day at lunch, sometimes also splitting
>: a sandwich or a buttered roll. I can't eat that now, so hubby ate a
>: whole roll himself with it.
>
>: Evelyn
>
>That soup sounds lively. I wish Adams had kosher mea:-( I pay tht much
>fo a pound of chicken these days!
>
>Question aboaut the chicken feet. had hey been cleaned(skinned, etc) I
>remember my mother singing the feet over the gas burner to get the sin
>and hairy stuff off. Just wondering.
>
>Wendy



They were not hairy, all perfectly cleaned, ready to use.

> On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:52:57 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
> > wrote:
>>Question aboaut the chicken feet. had hey been cleaned(skinned, etc) I
>>remember my mother singing the feet over the gas burner to get the sin
>>and hairy stuff off. Just wondering.
>>
>>Wendy

Apparently chicken feet are very popular with the Hispanics so there are
cleaned chicken feet in just about every store where I am.

Cheri