On 10/7/2010 1:17 PM, Janet wrote:
> W. Baker wrote:
>
>> the Walmart Relion meter is a non-perscrition item adn I believe
>> there is just one meter, so no model number problems. ?Strips are
>> god only for oa given brand of meer, so you will have to buy the
>> Walmart,(I guess Relion) strips, but they are the cheapest around,
>> hence the recommenation for tht brand when you are not getting it
>> with a perscriion through MD adn insurance. The Relion are about
>> half the price of most other strips so a big savings. The meter,
>> itself, is, I believe, about $10 or so, so also no a big deal. There
>> may be other brands of meters in the store featuring coupons that
>> make them free, but then you have to use the more expensive strips so
>> resist those deals:-)
>>
>> Look at it as your body, your science experiment adn you might
>> actually enjoy finding out how food works for you.
>>
>> Good Luck and keep on reporting here and asking any queestions you
>> want. Yu may get several answers, but we are far from monolithic
>> around here. Yu have to find what works for YOU!
>>
>> Wendy
>
> Yes, that's the one I was thinking of. It may not be the greatest meter out
> there, but it would be fine for your purposes now and it isn't a big
> investment. You can pay for it in cash at the checkout: there will be no
> record at all for the insurance trolls to sieze upon!<G>
>
>
>
What area would I find this in? I know it is in the aspirin, eye drop
area, but just what section?

Thanks.

On 10/7/2010 4:24 PM, atec77 wrote:
> On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Kate wrote:
>> On 10/7/2010 4:24 AM, atec77 wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2010 2:58 PM, Kate wrote:
>>>> On 10/6/2010 6:29 AM, W. Baker wrote:
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> I can eat just about any fruit, but I put emphasis on berries and
>>>>> :> cantaloupe. I *never* drink *any* fruit juice. The whole fruit is
>>>>> much
>>>>> :> better for us, and you may find that it would also improve your
>>>>> BG if
>>>>> :> you eliminate that.
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> MaryL
>>>>>
>>>>> : My numbers are close to being a diabetic, or so my doc says.
>>>>>
>>>>> : I did post here a few days ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> : I have dropped five pounds, and am trying hard to get my glucose
>>>>> level
>>>>> : down, which is at 101.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good for you on the weight loss. Just one point, glocose readings are
>>>>> not
>>>>> stable and move about durig the daay depepnding on all kinds of things
>>>>> largely wht we et and how much we move. You had a single reding at the
>>>>> doctor's office of 101, but that is not wht you will have all day
>>>>> long.
>>>>> Different foods and the time of day , etc will all effet those
>>>>> numbers.
>>>>> Tht ws why several people suggested you get a cheap meter like the
>>>>> Walmart
>>>>> Relion and it's less expensive stirps to see just what your body is
>>>>> doing
>>>>> with the food you eat.
>>>>>
>>>>> : Can you please tell me if I can eat any and all the fruit I want,
>>>>> or is
>>>>> : this too much sugar? My doc did say to stay away from fruit juice.
>>>>> : I like Seltzer Water so this is not a problem for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good! Juice is like drining fast sugar. I use ( as I just wrote in a
>>>>> post) the Crystal Light Classic Orange jusice substitute. It tastes
>>>>> quite
>>>>> sweet, which might please your sweet tooth without sugar :-) :
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to have a sweet tooth, and just purchased a box of very thin :
>>>>>> cookies called "Ginger Thins", from COSTCO. I am not too savvy
>>>>>> about :
>>>>>> how to read the nutritional facts, but from what I can tell, if I
>>>>>> eat :
>>>>>> just three of these cookies, it would amount to 9g of carbohydrate
>>>>>> and :
>>>>>> .84g of sugar. The total calories is 74, and there is no cholesterol.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, can you limit yourself to just 3 without going crazy? you could
>>>>> have, for the same number of carbs, some strawberries, or othe
>>>>> rberries,
>>>>> a modest sized piece of stone fruit like peach, plums or 2 apricots, a
>>>>> clementine orange, a half an apple, 9 cherries etc.
>>>>> : If I am reading this right, then this would be a great snack if I
>>>>> get in
>>>>> : the mood for a light dessert.
>>>>>
>>>>> It may well work for you with your very close to normal reading, but
>>>>> don't
>>>>> get into the habit of having the cookies every day, etc. You really
>>>>> an't
>>>>> know if it is correct for YOU(we are all different, hence the use of
>>>>> YMMV-Your Mileage Might Vary) unless you test to find out what this
>>>>> particular food does to your body a different times of the day.
>>>>>
>>>>> : Is
>>>>> this correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> : Thanks, and sorry for the dumb question. I am trying to learn all I
>>>>> can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your question is NOT dumb. The only dumb question is the one you don't
>>>>> ask:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> : Kate
>>>>>
>>>>> Wendy
>>>>
>>>> Wow, by reading these posts I am finding out that what works for one
>>>> person, may not work for the other. Now I see why a BG meter is so
>>>> important.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the paragraph on the fruit. Very helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Wendy.
>>> I post this from time to time
>>> http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.html
>>> it worked for me and very well dropping the levels to near normal in a
>>> matter of a couple of months , it might not help but for most people the
>>> weight loss and other improvements are excellent
>>> use the meter everyday initially and keep asking
>>>
>> Thanks for the url. Very informative, and I printed it out.
>>
>>
> Now go get a machine ,I am resistant but with changes recovery time is
> much improved and don't miss most things at all ,I replace ketchup with
> caramelised oinions
>
I am going to get a machine. Thanks. Then, I will need to read up on
how to do it. From what I am reading, it sounds like I will need to
test myself after every meal.

"atec77" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/10/2010 4:10 AM, Kate wrote:
>> On 10/7/2010 4:24 AM, atec77 wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2010 2:58 PM, Kate wrote:
>>>> On 10/6/2010 6:29 AM, W. Baker wrote:
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> I can eat just about any fruit, but I put emphasis on berries and
>>>>> :> cantaloupe. I *never* drink *any* fruit juice. The whole fruit is
>>>>> much
>>>>> :> better for us, and you may find that it would also improve your
>>>>> BG if
>>>>> :> you eliminate that.
>>>>> :>
>>>>> :> MaryL
>>>>>
>>>>> : My numbers are close to being a diabetic, or so my doc says.
>>>>>
>>>>> : I did post here a few days ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> : I have dropped five pounds, and am trying hard to get my glucose
>>>>> level
>>>>> : down, which is at 101.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good for you on the weight loss. Just one point, glocose readings are
>>>>> not
>>>>> stable and move about durig the daay depepnding on all kinds of things
>>>>> largely wht we et and how much we move. You had a single reding at the
>>>>> doctor's office of 101, but that is not wht you will have all day
>>>>> long.
>>>>> Different foods and the time of day , etc will all effet those
>>>>> numbers.
>>>>> Tht ws why several people suggested you get a cheap meter like the
>>>>> Walmart
>>>>> Relion and it's less expensive stirps to see just what your body is
>>>>> doing
>>>>> with the food you eat.
>>>>>
>>>>> : Can you please tell me if I can eat any and all the fruit I want,
>>>>> or is
>>>>> : this too much sugar? My doc did say to stay away from fruit juice.
>>>>> : I like Seltzer Water so this is not a problem for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good! Juice is like drining fast sugar. I use ( as I just wrote in a
>>>>> post) the Crystal Light Classic Orange jusice substitute. It tastes
>>>>> quite
>>>>> sweet, which might please your sweet tooth without sugar :-) :
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to have a sweet tooth, and just purchased a box of very thin :
>>>>>> cookies called "Ginger Thins", from COSTCO. I am not too savvy about
>>>>>> :
>>>>>> how to read the nutritional facts, but from what I can tell, if I
>>>>>> eat :
>>>>>> just three of these cookies, it would amount to 9g of carbohydrate
>>>>>> and :
>>>>>> .84g of sugar. The total calories is 74, and there is no cholesterol.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, can you limit yourself to just 3 without going crazy? you could
>>>>> have, for the same number of carbs, some strawberries, or othe
>>>>> rberries,
>>>>> a modest sized piece of stone fruit like peach, plums or 2 apricots, a
>>>>> clementine orange, a half an apple, 9 cherries etc.
>>>>> : If I am reading this right, then this would be a great snack if I
>>>>> get in
>>>>> : the mood for a light dessert.
>>>>>
>>>>> It may well work for you with your very close to normal reading, but
>>>>> don't
>>>>> get into the habit of having the cookies every day, etc. You really
>>>>> an't
>>>>> know if it is correct for YOU(we are all different, hence the use of
>>>>> YMMV-Your Mileage Might Vary) unless you test to find out what this
>>>>> particular food does to your body a different times of the day.
>>>>>
>>>>> : Is
>>>>> this correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> : Thanks, and sorry for the dumb question. I am trying to learn all I
>>>>> can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your question is NOT dumb. The only dumb question is the one you don't
>>>>> ask:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> : Kate
>>>>>
>>>>> Wendy
>>>>
>>>> Wow, by reading these posts I am finding out that what works for one
>>>> person, may not work for the other. Now I see why a BG meter is so
>>>> important.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the paragraph on the fruit. Very helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Wendy.
>>> I post this from time to time
>>> http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.html
>>> it worked for me and very well dropping the levels to near normal in a
>>> matter of a couple of months , it might not help but for most people the
>>> weight loss and other improvements are excellent
>>> use the meter everyday initially and keep asking
>>>
>> Thanks for the url. Very informative, and I printed it out.
>>
>>
> Now go get a machine ,I am resistant but with changes recovery time is
> much improved and don't miss most things at all ,I replace ketchup with
> caramelised oinions

Heinz low carb or one carb or whatever it's called ketchup is really good.
But I found I can eat regular ketchup. I only eat it on fries and some in
meatloaf and I have neither one very often.

"Kate" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/7/2010 1:17 PM, Janet wrote:
>> W. Baker wrote:
>>
>>> the Walmart Relion meter is a non-perscrition item adn I believe
>>> there is just one meter, so no model number problems. ?Strips are
>>> god only for oa given brand of meer, so you will have to buy the
>>> Walmart,(I guess Relion) strips, but they are the cheapest around,
>>> hence the recommenation for tht brand when you are not getting it
>>> with a perscriion through MD adn insurance. The Relion are about
>>> half the price of most other strips so a big savings. The meter,
>>> itself, is, I believe, about $10 or so, so also no a big deal. There
>>> may be other brands of meters in the store featuring coupons that
>>> make them free, but then you have to use the more expensive strips so
>>> resist those deals:-)
>>>
>>> Look at it as your body, your science experiment adn you might
>>> actually enjoy finding out how food works for you.
>>>
>>> Good Luck and keep on reporting here and asking any queestions you
>>> want. Yu may get several answers, but we are far from monolithic
>>> around here. Yu have to find what works for YOU!
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>
>> Yes, that's the one I was thinking of. It may not be the greatest meter
>> out
>> there, but it would be fine for your purposes now and it isn't a big
>> investment. You can pay for it in cash at the checkout: there will be no
>> record at all for the insurance trolls to sieze upon!<G>
>>
>>
>>
> What area would I find this in? I know it is in the aspirin, eye drop
> area, but just what section?

There is a special section for diabetes products. Often they are in a
locked case. Sometimes they are behind the counter. So if you don't see
them, ask.

"atec77" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/10/2010 2:15 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>
>>>>>> Thanks Wendy.
>>>>> I post this from time to time
>>>>> http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.html
>>>>> it worked for me and very well dropping the levels to near normal in a
>>>>> matter of a couple of months , it might not help but for most people
>>>>> the
>>>>> weight loss and other improvements are excellent
>>>>> use the meter everyday initially and keep asking
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the url. Very informative, and I printed it out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Now go get a machine ,I am resistant but with changes recovery time is
>>> much improved and don't miss most things at all ,I replace ketchup with
>>> caramelised oinions
>>
>> Heinz low carb or one carb or whatever it's called ketchup is really
>> good.
>> But I found I can eat regular ketchup. I only eat it on fries and some
>> in
>> meatloaf and I have neither one very often.
>>
>>
> Our local BBQ sauce is 60% sugar
> I wont use it these days

I've never liked BBQ sauce. I just assumed my husband did because when we
first got married, my MIL came to help us move in. Husband was away at
school somewhere and flying home. We didn't have the Internet in those days
so I grabbed the first cookbook out of the box and looked up a recipe that
would work with the few ingredients I had onhand. My nephew and I had gone
to the grocery store and bought a few things. We were only planning on
staying there long enough to get everything unpacked and put away and then
take MIL and nephew home.

I decided to make a Shepard's pie using ground beef. This is not something
we ever had at home but a friend made it once when I was in high school. My
friends and I took over a room that was called the Foreign Language Lounge.
The intent was to go there and study foreign languages, but nobody ever did.
My parents contributed some excess furniture to the room. We went there at
lunch time and since there was a full kitchen adjoining the room, we took
turns making lunch, often making it at home and reheating it there.

Anyway... MIL asked me if my husband even LIKED Shepard's pie? I didn't
know. She then told me I should have made a BBQ. To this day I have no
clue what she meant by that. We didn't own a BBQ grill so I could only
assume it was something make with BBQ sauce. We did have something when I
was in elementary school from the cafeteria that was called barbecued beef
on buttered bun. If I recall, it was ground beef in some kind of nasty
sauce and the bun was not buttered. I know this because I worked in the
cafeteria in 5th grade. We kids called it barbecued barf on buttered bean.
For some reason they always served green beans with this meal.

Somewhat recently I have tried a few recipes for things with prepared BBQ
sauce, using sauce that came highly recommended by various people. Neither
daughter nor husband liked these things at all. I have also bought some of
those tubs of shredded meat in BBQ sauce. I used to get some kind of
chicken that daughter wasn't allergic to. She liked it but ate it as is.
No bun. Husband hated the stuff. I can't get that any more. It was a
store brand and I think they quit making it. More recently I found some
pork that she wasn't allergic to. She liked it as well, but he hated it
too.

I do remember him begging to go to a BBQ restaurant at Foxwood's casino when
we went there. They didn't have a menu. You just got a set plate of food.
I believe there was some kind of meat in sauce, corn on the cob, maybe a
potato and probably coleslaw. Maybe BBQ beans. Knowing how much I dislike
BBQ sauce, I refused to eat there because I knew I wouldn't eat anything
except for maybe one thing they put on that plate. So apparently he does
like some kind of BBQ.

He is from PA. I don't know if that kind of food is popular there or not.
It isn't very popular here. There are a few BBQ places around. But not
many. And of the two I am aware of, one is a little shack where you get
takeout and the other is in an industrial park where presumably you also get
takeout.

this is excellent advice, a food diary with bg is really helpful, as you
will se on this group if you read archives, some can tolerate small amounts
of potato while not tolerating bananas at all, and so on, Lee
"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> Kate wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> What a neat group of educated folks here.
>>
>> I spoke with my doc's nurse yesterday, and I will be going
>> back to see the doc the first week in January. I need to get all the
>> blood workup done again, and I am happy to do this.
>>
>> For now, she does not recommend that I get a machine to test my BG
>> levels.
>> The worst part of all of this is that the tests will be performed
>> right after the holidays. Oh well, I am determined to eat better.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Kate- Who is now down 6 lbs.
>
> Kate, if you can afford to buy a WalMart meter and strips, I would
> *consider* setting aside the nurse's advice, which is probably predicated
> on the idea that "if the doctor didn't prescribe it, you don't need it."
> It sounds like you may not in fact absolutely need it, but IMHO if you are
> going to go through the trouble to seriously revamp your eating habits you
> might as well really know what ou are dealing with--assuming that the cost
> of a cheap WalMart meter and strips is not a problem for you. I also think
> that meter results might help you get through the holidays eating
> realistically. You would know what you really can eat, rather than feeling
> helplessly that you "ought" to cut out this or that.
>
> I can also contrast the feeling I had when first DXed of feeling helpless:
> all food seemed like poison. What could I eat? What couldn't I eat? It was
> so overwhelming. After I got my meter and started testing, I at least
> could feel that I was proceding under my own control, no longer powerless.
> There is a lot to be said for that.
>
> I think it's great that your doctor is sufficiently proactive to give you
> good advice about taking measures to stave off T2 before--hopefully--you
> have a full-blown condition. As I and many others can testify, this
> happens all-too infrequently.
>
> In my small sample of one, I have found that those involved with diabetes
> treatment and education seem to regard those of us who take our condition
> into our own hands as almost unique. They seem to be accustomed to dealing
> with those who are barely compliant, and often seem to tailor their advice
> to that which they think the barely compliant may actually be willing to
> do, which is understandable.
>
> Ironically, in the middle of typing this post, the diabetes case manager
> called to check in with me. She is very supportive, and made some good
> suggestions about strategies for managing my desired increased carb
> intake, addressing specific weightloss goals, etc. I asked her if, as I
> have gotten the feeling, I am the exception amongst those she deals with,
> and whether advice was often tailored to those who are, shall we say, less
> compliant. She--very diplomatically--confirmed my impression. She said
> that many people are simply overwhelmed, and seem to remain so even in the
> longer term. It seems to be a combination of factors: some are of the
> mindset that the doctor will fix any illness with a pill. Some don't seem
> to take seriously the idea that uncontrolled BGs can result in blindness
> and other complications. Many don't seem to believe that they can really
> significantly control their own BGs and really can avoid complications if
> they are willing to work on their eating and exercise habits.
>
> It sounds as if you are planning to continue this course of action for
> several months. I would suggest that if you are going to devote the effort
> to changing your eating patterns--in a way that is, let's face it, not
> convenient or particularly pleasant--and losing weight that you might as
> well do it right: keep a detailed food diary accompanied by a record of BG
> testing. If nothing else, after that time you will know what is really
> happening with your body. I think it is always better to be armed with
> knowledge.
>
> BTW, what are you doing to lose weight? Have you adopted a particular
> calorie target, have you upped your exercise, are you keeping a food
> diary, etc? Do you have a rough weekly goal?
>
>

Kate > wrote:
: > Now go get a machine ,I am resistant but with changes recovery time is
: > much improved and don't miss most things at all ,I replace ketchup with
: > caramelised oinions
: >
: I am going to get a machine. Thanks. Then, I will need to read up on
: how to do it. From what I am reading, it sounds like I will need to
: test myself after every meal.

At first it is a good idea. Ultimaely you find, say what breakfasts are
good FOR YOU and need't test everytime you eat ne of them, but sould you
want to try something new, you might well want to test to see if it works.
Same for other meals. after a while you will have a fine stable of food
you can eat at luch or dinner and may well not need to test much.

God luck nd keep on trying and asking. don't b frad of it all. a few
mistakes will do you no long term harm.

Wendy

W. Baker wrote:
> Kate > wrote:
>>> Now go get a machine ,I am resistant but with changes recovery time
>>> is much improved and don't miss most things at all ,I replace
>>> ketchup with caramelised oinions
>>>
>> I am going to get a machine. Thanks. Then, I will need to read up
>> on how to do it. From what I am reading, it sounds like I will need
>> to test myself after every meal.
>
> At first it is a good idea. Ultimaely you find, say what breakfasts
> are good FOR YOU and need't test everytime you eat ne of them, but
> sould you want to try something new, you might well want to test to
> see if it works. Same for other meals. after a while you will have a
> fine stable of food you can eat at luch or dinner and may well not
> need to test much.
>
> God luck nd keep on trying and asking. don't b frad of it all. a few
> mistakes will do you no long term harm.
>
> Wendy

People have all different schedules, but to get started you might consider
something like this:

When you get up in the morning before you eat or drink anything
One hour afer breakfast
Two hours after breakfast
Immediately before lunch
One hour after lunch
Two hours after lunch
Immediately before dinner
One hour after dinner
Two hours after dinner

If you do that for a few days it will give you a pretty good idea of what is
going with what you currently eat, your current BMI, etc. If it is difficult
for you to schedule all those tests in one day, do the lunch ones one day
and the dinner ones the next. I always have a problem because I tend to eat
dinner late and can't fit in two tests afterwards. <G>

If you then want to get scientific about it, you can start by establishing
readings for a lunch you often have, then add different foods. For example,
if you often eat 4 oz of grilled chicken and an apple and have tested that,
have canteloupe instead of the apple and see how you do. Next day try
carrots and low carb salad dressing as a dip with the chicken. And so forth.
If you do fine with the 15 gms of carb in the apple, add some carrots and
see how you do with 20 or 25 gms of carb with the chicken. Add some fat in
the form of mayo and make a chicken salad with apple, celery, and toasted
walnuts. And so forth.

It's enlessly amusing! (Yeah, right <eyeroll>) As they say, your body, your
science experiment. <G>

On 10/8/2010 12:37 PM, Janet wrote:
> W. Baker wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>>> Now go get a machine ,I am resistant but with changes recovery time
>>>> is much improved and don't miss most things at all ,I replace
>>>> ketchup with caramelised oinions
>>>>
>>> I am going to get a machine. Thanks. Then, I will need to read up
>>> on how to do it. From what I am reading, it sounds like I will need
>>> to test myself after every meal.
>>
>> At first it is a good idea. Ultimaely you find, say what breakfasts
>> are good FOR YOU and need't test everytime you eat ne of them, but
>> sould you want to try something new, you might well want to test to
>> see if it works. Same for other meals. after a while you will have a
>> fine stable of food you can eat at luch or dinner and may well not
>> need to test much.
>>
>> God luck nd keep on trying and asking. don't b frad of it all. a few
>> mistakes will do you no long term harm.
>>
>> Wendy
>
> People have all different schedules, but to get started you might consider
> something like this:
>
> When you get up in the morning before you eat or drink anything
> One hour afer breakfast
> Two hours after breakfast
> Immediately before lunch
> One hour after lunch
> Two hours after lunch
> Immediately before dinner
> One hour after dinner
> Two hours after dinner
>
> If you do that for a few days it will give you a pretty good idea of what is
> going with what you currently eat, your current BMI, etc. If it is difficult
> for you to schedule all those tests in one day, do the lunch ones one day
> and the dinner ones the next. I always have a problem because I tend to eat
> dinner late and can't fit in two tests afterwards.<G>
>
> If you then want to get scientific about it, you can start by establishing
> readings for a lunch you often have, then add different foods. For example,
> if you often eat 4 oz of grilled chicken and an apple and have tested that,
> have canteloupe instead of the apple and see how you do. Next day try
> carrots and low carb salad dressing as a dip with the chicken. And so forth.
> If you do fine with the 15 gms of carb in the apple, add some carrots and
> see how you do with 20 or 25 gms of carb with the chicken. Add some fat in
> the form of mayo and make a chicken salad with apple, celery, and toasted
> walnuts. And so forth.
>
> It's enlessly amusing! (Yeah, right<eyeroll>) As they say, your body, your
> science experiment.<G>
>
>
>
Yikes, that is a lot of testing. Do you draw blood from different
fingers each time? This, I think, will take some getting used to.

Thanks.

Kate > wrote:
: On 10/8/2010 12:37 PM, Janet wrote:
: > W. Baker wrote:
: >> > wrote:
: >>>> Now go get a machine ,I am resistant but with changes recovery time
: >>>> is much improved and don't miss most things at all ,I replace
: >>>> ketchup with caramelised oinions
: >>>>
: >>> I am going to get a machine. Thanks. Then, I will need to read up
: >>> on how to do it. From what I am reading, it sounds like I will need
: >>> to test myself after every meal.
: >>
: >> At first it is a good idea. Ultimaely you find, say what breakfasts
: >> are good FOR YOU and need't test everytime you eat ne of them, but
: >> sould you want to try something new, you might well want to test to
: >> see if it works. Same for other meals. after a while you will have a
: >> fine stable of food you can eat at luch or dinner and may well not
: >> need to test much.
: >>
: >> God luck nd keep on trying and asking. don't b frad of it all. a few
: >> mistakes will do you no long term harm.
: >>
: >> Wendy
: >
: > People have all different schedules, but to get started you might consider
: > something like this:
: >
: > When you get up in the morning before you eat or drink anything
: > One hour afer breakfast
: > Two hours after breakfast
: > Immediately before lunch
: > One hour after lunch
: > Two hours after lunch
: > Immediately before dinner
: > One hour after dinner
: > Two hours after dinner
: >
: > If you do that for a few days it will give you a pretty good idea of what is
: > going with what you currently eat, your current BMI, etc. If it is difficult
: > for you to schedule all those tests in one day, do the lunch ones one day
: > and the dinner ones the next. I always have a problem because I tend to eat
: > dinner late and can't fit in two tests afterwards.<G>
: >
: > If you then want to get scientific about it, you can start by establishing
: > readings for a lunch you often have, then add different foods. For example,
: > if you often eat 4 oz of grilled chicken and an apple and have tested that,
: > have canteloupe instead of the apple and see how you do. Next day try
: > carrots and low carb salad dressing as a dip with the chicken. And so forth.
: > If you do fine with the 15 gms of carb in the apple, add some carrots and
: > see how you do with 20 or 25 gms of carb with the chicken. Add some fat in
: > the form of mayo and make a chicken salad with apple, celery, and toasted
: > walnuts. And so forth.
: >
: > It's enlessly amusing! (Yeah, right<eyeroll>) As they say, your body, your
: > science experiment.<G>
: >
: >
: >
: Yikes, that is a lot of testing. Do you draw blood from different
: fingers each time? This, I think, will take some getting used to.

: Thanks.

Yes it wll, but it eventually becomes kind of second nature. Don't use
alcohol swabs to clean your fingers, just wash your hands well in warm
soapy water. Easier on the fingertips and the warm water makes the blood
come out easier. It will be tricky at first, but you will find the best
fingers for you to use. Personally, I find that ring man and middle man
work best, with pinky easy to get blood form, but painful(for me) and
pointer kind of hard to puncture easily. Your fingers might well be
different. The best lane r that I know of is the sooftclix by AccuChek.
Yu o NOT have t change the lancet for each test, but do change it if it
seems to get dull enough to hurt too much. some in here jokingly say that
they change theirs every year on St. Swithins Day, but just do what makes
you feel comfortalbe. Only if you let someone else use your lancer do you
have to change the lance right away, both before and after they use it.

I believe tht Alan has a piece on one of his blogs about good lancing and
testing technique. I have been teting for some 14 years now and have
never had a really sore finger or an infection(knock on wood:-) I have
changed the lancet qite a few times in that period:-)

Wendy

"Kate" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/8/2010 12:37 PM, Janet wrote:
>> W. Baker wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Now go get a machine ,I am resistant but with changes recovery time
>>>>> is much improved and don't miss most things at all ,I replace
>>>>> ketchup with caramelised oinions
>>>>>
>>>> I am going to get a machine. Thanks. Then, I will need to read up
>>>> on how to do it. From what I am reading, it sounds like I will need
>>>> to test myself after every meal.
>>>
>>> At first it is a good idea. Ultimaely you find, say what breakfasts
>>> are good FOR YOU and need't test everytime you eat ne of them, but
>>> sould you want to try something new, you might well want to test to
>>> see if it works. Same for other meals. after a while you will have a
>>> fine stable of food you can eat at luch or dinner and may well not
>>> need to test much.
>>>
>>> God luck nd keep on trying and asking. don't b frad of it all. a few
>>> mistakes will do you no long term harm.
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>
>> People have all different schedules, but to get started you might
>> consider
>> something like this:
>>
>> When you get up in the morning before you eat or drink anything
>> One hour afer breakfast
>> Two hours after breakfast
>> Immediately before lunch
>> One hour after lunch
>> Two hours after lunch
>> Immediately before dinner
>> One hour after dinner
>> Two hours after dinner
>>
>> If you do that for a few days it will give you a pretty good idea of what
>> is
>> going with what you currently eat, your current BMI, etc. If it is
>> difficult
>> for you to schedule all those tests in one day, do the lunch ones one day
>> and the dinner ones the next. I always have a problem because I tend to
>> eat
>> dinner late and can't fit in two tests afterwards.<G>
>>
>> If you then want to get scientific about it, you can start by
>> establishing
>> readings for a lunch you often have, then add different foods. For
>> example,
>> if you often eat 4 oz of grilled chicken and an apple and have tested
>> that,
>> have canteloupe instead of the apple and see how you do. Next day try
>> carrots and low carb salad dressing as a dip with the chicken. And so
>> forth.
>> If you do fine with the 15 gms of carb in the apple, add some carrots and
>> see how you do with 20 or 25 gms of carb with the chicken. Add some fat
>> in
>> the form of mayo and make a chicken salad with apple, celery, and toasted
>> walnuts. And so forth.
>>
>> It's enlessly amusing! (Yeah, right<eyeroll>) As they say, your body,
>> your
>> science experiment.<G>
>>
>>
>>
> Yikes, that is a lot of testing. Do you draw blood from different fingers
> each time? This, I think, will take some getting used to.
>
> Thanks.

I used to alternate fingers. Both sides of the finger on both hands. Never
the thumbs. My thumbs hurt too much to test there, but some people only use
their thumbs. These days I pretty much just use the pointers and sometimes
the pinkies. For some reason these bleed better for me.

W. Baker wrote:
> I believe tht Alan has a piece on one of his blogs about good lancing
> and testing technique. I have been teting for some 14 years now and
> have never had a really sore finger or an infection(knock on wood:-)
> I have changed the lancet qite a few times in that period:-)
>
> Wendy

When I started testing, I actually stabbed myself a few times quite
painfully in bad places--when changing the lancet! I yanked off the little
cap too abruptly and the rebound got me in a finger joint. I have learned
that easy does it. (I confess that when those little cups of coffee creamer
with tear off tops first appeared, I managed to spray myself with creamer
while trying to open them! Despite being such a klutz at times, I actually
do have quite good facility for detailed hand work, believe it or not. <G>)

On 10/9/2010 2:40 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/8/2010 12:37 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> W. Baker wrote:
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> Now go get a machine ,I am resistant but with changes recovery time
>>>>>> is much improved and don't miss most things at all ,I replace
>>>>>> ketchup with caramelised oinions
>>>>>>
>>>>> I am going to get a machine. Thanks. Then, I will need to read up
>>>>> on how to do it. From what I am reading, it sounds like I will need
>>>>> to test myself after every meal.
>>>>
>>>> At first it is a good idea. Ultimaely you find, say what breakfasts
>>>> are good FOR YOU and need't test everytime you eat ne of them, but
>>>> sould you want to try something new, you might well want to test to
>>>> see if it works. Same for other meals. after a while you will have a
>>>> fine stable of food you can eat at luch or dinner and may well not
>>>> need to test much.
>>>>
>>>> God luck nd keep on trying and asking. don't b frad of it all. a few
>>>> mistakes will do you no long term harm.
>>>>
>>>> Wendy
>>>
>>> People have all different schedules, but to get started you might
>>> consider
>>> something like this:
>>>
>>> When you get up in the morning before you eat or drink anything
>>> One hour afer breakfast
>>> Two hours after breakfast
>>> Immediately before lunch
>>> One hour after lunch
>>> Two hours after lunch
>>> Immediately before dinner
>>> One hour after dinner
>>> Two hours after dinner
>>>
>>> If you do that for a few days it will give you a pretty good idea of what
>>> is
>>> going with what you currently eat, your current BMI, etc. If it is
>>> difficult
>>> for you to schedule all those tests in one day, do the lunch ones one day
>>> and the dinner ones the next. I always have a problem because I tend to
>>> eat
>>> dinner late and can't fit in two tests afterwards.<G>
>>>
>>> If you then want to get scientific about it, you can start by
>>> establishing
>>> readings for a lunch you often have, then add different foods. For
>>> example,
>>> if you often eat 4 oz of grilled chicken and an apple and have tested
>>> that,
>>> have canteloupe instead of the apple and see how you do. Next day try
>>> carrots and low carb salad dressing as a dip with the chicken. And so
>>> forth.
>>> If you do fine with the 15 gms of carb in the apple, add some carrots and
>>> see how you do with 20 or 25 gms of carb with the chicken. Add some fat
>>> in
>>> the form of mayo and make a chicken salad with apple, celery, and toasted
>>> walnuts. And so forth.
>>>
>>> It's enlessly amusing! (Yeah, right<eyeroll>) As they say, your body,
>>> your
>>> science experiment.<G>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yikes, that is a lot of testing. Do you draw blood from different fingers
>> each time? This, I think, will take some getting used to.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> I used to alternate fingers. Both sides of the finger on both hands. Never
> the thumbs. My thumbs hurt too much to test there, but some people only use
> their thumbs. These days I pretty much just use the pointers and sometimes
> the pinkies. For some reason these bleed better for me.
>
>
More good info. It will be interesting as this is totally new to me.

Thank you.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> W. Baker wrote:
>> I believe tht Alan has a piece on one of his blogs about good lancing
>> and testing technique. I have been teting for some 14 years now and
>> have never had a really sore finger or an infection(knock on wood:-)
>> I have changed the lancet qite a few times in that period:-)
>>
>> Wendy
>
> When I started testing, I actually stabbed myself a few times quite
> painfully in bad places--when changing the lancet! I yanked off the
> little cap too abruptly and the rebound got me in a finger joint. I have
> learned that easy does it. (I confess that when those little cups of
> coffee creamer with tear off tops first appeared, I managed to spray
> myself with creamer while trying to open them! Despite being such a klutz
> at times, I actually do have quite good facility for detailed hand work,
> believe it or not. <G>)

I HATE changing the lancet. I constantly stab myself when doing it and
often more than once.

After testing for a few weeks I realized that an old lancet was far less
painful than a new one. I used to change them daily as I was instructed to
do. My dad changes his each time. I just can't imagine how painful that
would be.

Now I keep using the same one until it starts to hurt again or until I can't
get a good drop of blood. This usually takes many months.

On 10/9/2010 10:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> W. Baker wrote:
>>> I believe tht Alan has a piece on one of his blogs about good lancing
>>> and testing technique. I have been teting for some 14 years now and
>>> have never had a really sore finger or an infection(knock on wood:-)
>>> I have changed the lancet qite a few times in that period:-)
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>
>> When I started testing, I actually stabbed myself a few times quite
>> painfully in bad places--when changing the lancet! I yanked off the
>> little cap too abruptly and the rebound got me in a finger joint. I have
>> learned that easy does it. (I confess that when those little cups of
>> coffee creamer with tear off tops first appeared, I managed to spray
>> myself with creamer while trying to open them! Despite being such a klutz
>> at times, I actually do have quite good facility for detailed hand work,
>> believe it or not.<G>)
>
> I HATE changing the lancet. I constantly stab myself when doing it and
> often more than once.
>
> After testing for a few weeks I realized that an old lancet was far less
> painful than a new one. I used to change them daily as I was instructed to
> do. My dad changes his each time. I just can't imagine how painful that
> would be.
>
> Now I keep using the same one until it starts to hurt again or until I can't
> get a good drop of blood. This usually takes many months.
>
>

Julie, when i insert the new lancet into the lancing device, i leave the
security cap on

once the lancet is in position, i hold the base of the lancet and twist
of the cap

before i remove the OLD lancet, i recap it with the twist off cap that i
saved from when i last changed it

yes, i change my lancet once a year whether or not it needs to be

hope this helps!
kate

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/9/2010 10:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> W. Baker wrote:
>>>> I believe tht Alan has a piece on one of his blogs about good lancing
>>>> and testing technique. I have been teting for some 14 years now and
>>>> have never had a really sore finger or an infection(knock on wood:-)
>>>> I have changed the lancet qite a few times in that period:-)
>>>>
>>>> Wendy
>>>
>>> When I started testing, I actually stabbed myself a few times quite
>>> painfully in bad places--when changing the lancet! I yanked off the
>>> little cap too abruptly and the rebound got me in a finger joint. I have
>>> learned that easy does it. (I confess that when those little cups of
>>> coffee creamer with tear off tops first appeared, I managed to spray
>>> myself with creamer while trying to open them! Despite being such a
>>> klutz
>>> at times, I actually do have quite good facility for detailed hand work,
>>> believe it or not.<G>)
>>
>> I HATE changing the lancet. I constantly stab myself when doing it and
>> often more than once.
>>
>> After testing for a few weeks I realized that an old lancet was far less
>> painful than a new one. I used to change them daily as I was instructed
>> to
>> do. My dad changes his each time. I just can't imagine how painful that
>> would be.
>>
>> Now I keep using the same one until it starts to hurt again or until I
>> can't
>> get a good drop of blood. This usually takes many months.
>>
>>
>
> Julie, when i insert the new lancet into the lancing device, i leave the
> security cap on
>
> once the lancet is in position, i hold the base of the lancet and twist of
> the cap
>
> before i remove the OLD lancet, i recap it with the twist off cap that i
> saved from when i last changed it
>
> yes, i change my lancet once a year whether or not it needs to be
>
> hope this helps!

When I try to recap is when I stick myself. I use the Bayer Contour meter.
The way they used to make the lancet caps made them easy to recap. The way
they make them now makes it easy to stick yourself.

Tiger Lily wrote:
> Julie, when i insert the new lancet into the lancing device, i leave
> the security cap on
>
> once the lancet is in position, i hold the base of the lancet and
> twist of the cap

So do I--but I still managed to stab myself. Unbeleivable klutz, I know. But
I haven't done it for months, so apparently my technique has improved. <G>

"M@©k®" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:20:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>When I try to recap is when I stick myself. I use the Bayer Contour
>>meter.
>>The way they used to make the lancet caps made them easy to recap. The
>>way
>>they make them now makes it easy to stick yourself.
>>
>
>
> with the lancet still in the lancet device, grasp the lancet as close
> to the base as possible, with the old cap lying on the table press the
> point of the lancet into the plastic of the cap, forget trying to hit
> the original hole.
>
> Then just pull the old lancet out of the device.

Okay. Thanks!

"atec77" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/10/2010 5:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Tiger > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/9/2010 10:52 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> W. Baker wrote:
>
>> When I try to recap is when I stick myself. I use the Bayer Contour
>> meter.
>> The way they used to make the lancet caps made them easy to recap. The
>> way
>> they make them now makes it easy to stick yourself.
>>
>>
> I suspect you are plain inept

Nope.