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"Stormmee" > wrote in message ...
| LOL, seems to have gone away, Lee
| "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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| > "Stormmee" > wrote in message
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| >> could be he might not like the name julie , Lee
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| > Ohhhh... Well then he can call me Julia. That's my given name.
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No, just disinterested.

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I hate to be wrong, Lee
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> "Stormmee" > wrote in message
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> | > "Stormmee" > wrote in message
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> | >> could be he might not like the name julie , Lee
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> | > Ohhhh... Well then he can call me Julia. That's my given name.
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> No, just disinterested.
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On Jun 26, 8:27*am, Bill who putters > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> *Ricavito > wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 2:50*am, Nick Cramer > wrote:
> > > "Julie Bove" > wrote:

>
> > > > > Julie. Don't tell anyone, but I was a vegetarian in the late 60's and
> > > > > early
> > > > > 70's.

>
> > > > I went mostly vegetarian at about age 12. *We did eat some meat at home,
> > > > but we had meatless Mondays, perhaps in an effort to save money and also
> > > > had meatless meals other times of the week. *I didn't really think about
> > > > it much.
> > > > [ . . . ]

>
> > > I became a vegetarian out of compassion for other living creatures. I
> > > stopped after about ten years. Having a steak, charred blood rare,
> > > tomorrow.

>
> > > --
> > > Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
> > > families: *https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/**Thank a Veteran!
> > > Support Our Troops: *http://anymarine.com/*You are not forgotten.
> > > Thanks ! ! * * * * * * * * ~Semper Fi~ * * * * * * * *USMC 1365061- Hide
> > > quoted text -

>
> > > - Show quoted text -

>
> > This is precisely the problem I have with eating meat, which I have
> > never fully given up. *I like a steak cooked just as you described.
> > If I had to kill an animal to eat, I don't know if I could do it. I
> > can't even fish anymore. *I ran over a small bird that the wind blew
> > into my path a few weeks ago, I saw it turn to face me and square its
> > little birdy shoulders the instant before I hit it and then I burst
> > into tears and had to pull over. *It has gotten so bad that last week
> > I got teary eyed and morose after I drowned an ant's nest -- they were
> > marching out of the flood carrying the larva on their backs -- they
> > want to live too! * I realize this is not a healthy reaction, and
> > maybe a little neurotic, but if I have to feel this way, where do I
> > draw the line? *Stop eating meat? *Stop driving? *Stop gardening?
> > Practically, no. *So I brake for animals and garden without pesticides
> > and put up bird feeders and set out food for stray cats and volunteer
> > at the animal shelter and give money to the Humane Society and try to
> > eat only meat (or eggs, dairy, etc.) from animals that have been
> > treated humanely. *That's hard to do sometimes because either you
> > don't know for sure or it can be so damn expensive. We're fortunate in
> > that we can afford to eat those foods for the most part, but as a
> > consequence we do eat less meat and more vegetables -- can't be a bad
> > thing ;-) * Of course, lately I've noticed tender feelings toward my
> > garden plants.

>
> > Gosh, I don't know where that came from, but I feel better now :-)

>
> *Gary Snyder said life requires breaking of the body.
>
> http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps...nyder/life.htm
>
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His poetry also makes me cry :-)
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On Jun 26, 9:50*am, "Stormmee" > wrote:
> remember that many of the animals you eat from the store would have never
> been created if not for humans consuming them... so one place you can be
> positive is eat farm raised fish... the DH is a carnavore but he hates
> killing anything... he draws the line at bugs this way: *if they invade my
> space they want to go for the next step... if they stay "out there" its good
> to me... i love plants also, its why i don't try and grow them, for me
> taking in a plant is true creulty and certain death for the plant, Lee"Ricavito" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jun 26, 2:50 am, Nick Cramer > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:

>
> > > > Julie. Don't tell anyone, but I was a vegetarian in the late 60's and
> > > > early
> > > > 70's.

>
> > > I went mostly vegetarian at about age 12. We did eat some meat at home,
> > > but we had meatless Mondays, perhaps in an effort to save money and also
> > > had meatless meals other times of the week. I didn't really think about
> > > it much.
> > > [ . . . ]

>
> > I became a vegetarian out of compassion for other living creatures. I
> > stopped after about ten years. Having a steak, charred blood rare,
> > tomorrow.

>
> > --
> > Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
> > families:https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/Thank a Veteran!
> > Support Our Troops:http://anymarine.com/You are not forgotten.
> > Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ USMC 1365061- Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -

>
> This is precisely the problem I have with eating meat, which I have
> never fully given up. *I like a steak cooked just as you described.
> If I had to kill an animal to eat, I don't know if I could do it. I
> can't even fish anymore. *I ran over a small bird that the wind blew
> into my path a few weeks ago, I saw it turn to face me and square its
> little birdy shoulders the instant before I hit it and then I burst
> into tears and had to pull over. *It has gotten so bad that last week
> I got teary eyed and morose after I drowned an ant's nest -- they were
> marching out of the flood carrying the larva on their backs -- they
> want to live too! * I realize this is not a healthy reaction, and
> maybe a little neurotic, but if I have to feel this way, where do I
> draw the line? *Stop eating meat? *Stop driving? *Stop gardening?
> Practically, no. *So I brake for animals and garden without pesticides
> and put up bird feeders and set out food for stray cats and volunteer
> at the animal shelter and give money to the Humane Society and try to
> eat only meat (or eggs, dairy, etc.) from animals that have been
> treated humanely. *That's hard to do sometimes because either you
> don't know for sure or it can be so damn expensive. We're fortunate in
> that we can afford to eat those foods for the most part, but as a
> consequence we do eat less meat and more vegetables -- can't be a bad
> thing ;-) * Of course, lately I've noticed tender feelings toward my
> garden plants.
>
> Gosh, I don't know where that came from, but I feel better now :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I was ruthless today to some aphids!
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Ricavito > wrote:
> On Jun 26, 2:50=A0am, Nick Cramer > wrote:
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:

>
> >
> > > > Julie. Don't tell anyone, but I was a vegetarian in the late 60's
> > > > and early
> > > > 70's.

> >
> > > I went mostly vegetarian at about age 12. =A0We did eat some meat at
> > > ho=

> me,
> > > but we had meatless Mondays, perhaps in an effort to save money and
> > > als=

> o
> > > had meatless meals other times of the week. =A0I didn't really think
> > > ab=

> out
> > > it much.
> > > [ . . . ]

> >
> > I became a vegetarian out of compassion for other living creatures. I
> > stopped after about ten years. Having a steak, charred blood rare,
> > tomorrow.


> This is precisely the problem I have with eating meat, which I have
> never fully given up. I like a steak cooked just as you described.
> If I had to kill an animal to eat, I don't know if I could do it. I
> can't even fish anymore.


I started killing chickens when I was seven. I was probably younger when I
started fishing. I started hunting when I was in my late teens. They all
tasted good.

> I ran over a small bird that the wind blew into my path a few weeks ago,
> I saw it turn to face me and square its little birdy shoulders the
> instant before I hit it and then I burst into tears and had to pull
> over.


I was tooling down the Interstate on my motorcycle, when a pigeon flew into
my chest. I had to pull over, too.

> It has gotten so bad that last week I got teary eyed and morose
> after I drowned an ant's nest -- they were marching out of the flood
> carrying the larva on their backs -- they want to live too!


Don't drown them! Go to a swimming pool supply store and get the finest
grind diatomaceous earth you can. Pour a ring of it around (not over) the
entrance to their nest. It's not toxic and works for fleas, too. I use
boric (boraxic) acid, which is toxic, for cockroaches. We have no
cockroaches. Noo ants or fleas, either. ;-)

> I realize this is not a healthy reaction, and maybe a little neurotic,
> but if I have to feel this way, where do I draw the line? Stop eating
> meat? Stop driving? Stop gardening? Practically, no. So I brake for
> animals and garden without pesticides . . .


We don't use pesticides because we (including preteen kids) eat the
produce.

> . . . and put up bird feeders and set out food for stray cats and
> volunteer at the animal shelter . . .


Are the bird feeders squirrel-safe? I don't think feeding stray cats is a
good idea. It encourages bad behavior.

> . . . and give money to the Humane Society


I hope you carefully researched the agenda of whichever group you're
supporting.

> . . . and try to eat only meat (or eggs, dairy, etc.) from
> animals that have been treated humanely. That's hard to do sometimes
> because either you don't know for sure or it can be so damn expensive.
> We're fortunate in that we can afford to eat those foods for the most
> part, but as a consequence we do eat less meat and more vegetables --
> can't be a bad thing ;-) Of course, lately I've noticed tender feelings
> toward my garden plants.


Kosher meat comes from animals that have been raised and killed humanely.

> Gosh, I don't know where that came from, but I feel better now :-)


Good. Keep in touch with your feelings, but thimk!

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Ricavito > wrote:
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> > =A0Gary Snyder said life requires breaking of the body.
> >
> > http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps...nyder/life.htm


> His poetry also makes me cry :-)


Paisana!

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Nick Cramer > wrote:

> > . . . and put up bird feeders and set out food for stray cats and
> > volunteer at the animal shelter . . .

>
> Are the bird feeders squirrel-safe? I don't think feeding stray cats is a
> good idea. It encourages bad behavior.


My neighbor and I practice TNR -- trap, neuter, release. We currently
have two elderly sister feral cats who live in our back yards and whom
we care for. They stopped having litters when we got them (and a lot of
other local ferals) spay/neutered about 6-8 years ago.

Caring for ferals is a special kind of calling, and I laud anyone who
does it responsibly.

PP
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feeding can be part of the solution for cats but it can also cause
problems... asto the feeders, someone els e siaid they grease the bird
feeder pole, keeps the squirrels off and safe, and calories for the
squirrels when he washes his belly and paws, Lee
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> Nick Cramer > wrote:
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>> > . . . and put up bird feeders and set out food for stray cats and
>> > volunteer at the animal shelter . . .

>>
>> Are the bird feeders squirrel-safe? I don't think feeding stray cats is a
>> good idea. It encourages bad behavior.

>
> My neighbor and I practice TNR -- trap, neuter, release. We currently
> have two elderly sister feral cats who live in our back yards and whom
> we care for. They stopped having litters when we got them (and a lot of
> other local ferals) spay/neutered about 6-8 years ago.
>
> Caring for ferals is a special kind of calling, and I laud anyone who
> does it responsibly.
>
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Peppermint Patootie > wrote:
> Nick Cramer > wrote:
>
> > > . . . and put up bird feeders and set out food for stray cats and
> > > volunteer at the animal shelter . . .

> >
> > Are the bird feeders squirrel-safe? I don't think feeding stray cats is
> > a good idea. It encourages bad behavior.

>
> My neighbor and I practice TNR -- trap, neuter, release. We currently
> have two elderly sister feral cats who live in our back yards and whom
> we care for. They stopped having litters when we got them (and a lot of
> other local ferals) spay/neutered about 6-8 years ago.
>
> Caring for ferals is a special kind of calling, and I laud anyone who
> does it responsibly.


TNR sounds like a very responsible and kind way of dealing with ferals. I
commend you and your neighbor for that.

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