Alan S > wrote:
> > wrote:
> [ . . . ]
> My next A1c should be fascinating after all those different
> cuisines (at least I'll have an excuse if it's back over 6.
>
> But looking at that dinner of yours - you won't, if you keep
> doing that:-)

<Snapping to attention> "No excuse, Sir!"

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On 17 May 2008 10:48:05 GMT, Nick Cramer
> wrote:

>Alan S > wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >So, you don't think I have to worry about an FBG of 60? I had a 46 one
>> >morning. I think I ate a bagel to bring it up. Don't remember the PP BG,
>> >as that was before I started keeping notes with
>> >
>> >http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/
>
>> I would only worry if I had hypo symptoms.
>
>What are the symptoms? I've never noticed anything unusual.

For me it was usually (but not always) shakes, an inability
to properly control my limbs, a feeling of
vertigo/nausea/dizziness.

I only went unconscious once, and that was before diagnosis.
The best post-diagnosis was when I was in the middle of the
pool and suddenly couldn't swim. But I made it to the side
somehow.

I can't recall having one in the past couple of years; in
fact they've been rare since I added metformin three years
back.


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Alan S > wrote:
> > wrote:
> >Alan S > wrote:
> >> > wrote:
[]
> >> I would only worry if I had hypo symptoms.
> >
> >What are the symptoms? I've never noticed anything unusual.
>
> For me it was usually (but not always) shakes, an inability
> to properly control my limbs, a feeling of
> vertigo/nausea/dizziness. [ . . . ]

Well, I haven't had any of those symptoms, yet, but I'll watch out for
them. I've never passed out, but have had to crawl or be dragged to bed a
few times! LOL

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Nick Cramer wrote:

>
> My daughter sometimes makes turkey or chicken fajitas. She only gives me
> one or two. I eat them with lots of real hot salsa colorado. Yep. I eat the
> tortillas, too. Don't remember the numbers, as that was before I started
> keeping records (started 5/4/08). I'll report next time, so Ozgirl and
> Susan can hit me over the head. ;-D Just kidding girls. I really appreciate
> the advice, and that you haven't given up on me.
>

I won't hit you over the head <vbg>

We use La Tortilla Factory brand "Smart & Delicious" tortillas. The
"original" whole wheat ones. each small tortilla contains 10 grams of
carbs and 7g of dietary fiber. That leaves 3 grams to count. You could
eat 5 of these and they would count as one "carb count" of 15g.

www.latortillafactory.com They are made in California, but I believe
they are sold all over the US. Mission makes low carb tortillas, too,
but I like the La Tortilla Factory ones better for sandwich wraps. The
Mission white flour ones work a little better for enchiladas.

I use the tortillas as wraps for eggs and heat & eat turkey sausage for
breakfast. I like tuna salad or chicken salad wrapped in one of them
with some lettuce and a little tomato for lunch. (I can't eat bread so
tortillas are the only way I can make a sandwich.)

They make wonderful soft tacos and enchilladas.

Get the smaller ones, not the giant ones as the larger ones have more carbs.

You can eat well as a Diabetic. You just have to eat differently.

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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
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Nick Cramer wrote:
> Janet Wilder > wrote:
>> Nick Cramer wrote:
>>> So, you don't think I have to worry about an FBG of 60? I had a 46 one
>>> morning. I think I ate a bagel to bring it up. Don't remember the PP
>>> BG, as that was before I started keeping notes with
>> DH sometimes has numbers in the high 60's. He uses the 15-15 method to
>> bring up his BG. 15 grams of quick acting carbs. Wait 15 minutes and
>> test again. If not back up to "normal" try another 15 grams of
>> fast-acting carbs and another 15 minute wait.
>>
>> Fast acting carbs are glucose tablets, fruit juice, skim milk, regular
>> soda and other high sucrose things. A bagel is not a fast acting carb
>> and might just leave you a lot higher than you want to be.
>
> Thanks, Janet. We have skim milk (ugh), regular soda and some sweet fruit
> juices (argh), occasionally, real orange juice (Screwdriver for breakfast -
> Doctor's orders). I'll try that 15-15 method next time. But bagels with
> cream cheese sure are good! ;-)
>

Even 1 Sara Lee mini bagel is 21 grams of carbs!

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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
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On May 17, 5:09*am, Nick Cramer > wrote:
> Cindy! If you're even _thinking_ about getting a smoker, go to
> alt.food.barbecue, tell them what you're thinking of doing, ask what else
> you can do and ask what they're thoughts are regarding various smokers and
> where to buy. If this will be your fist time with a smoker, tell them that,
> too. Also, what area you're in. There are folks there from around the
> world, so you'll get some local info, too. Mostly a nice bunch of folks
> with a few loons. Just like around here! ;-D

LOL!! Thanks for the tip, Nick! I think my husband would love to have
one for his birthday and I sure can use the advice!

Cindy

On May 16, 6:05*pm, Nicky > wrote:

> Sounds yummy! And what is it with the man/BBQ thing? I like a spot of
> pyromania too, but I only ever get near the thing if he's away...

I think, as Wendy mentioned in her post, that it has something to do
with caves and sticks and hunting. At least for my husband. Nick is
obviously happy to allow Jun to use his fire, and Alan S makes it
sound romantic.

I have to admit, though, Rob's a good grill cook. Back before I was
diabetic, he decided to make a burrito on the grill. Wrapped the
ingredients in a tortilla and put it on the fire. I thought he was
nuts, but it was the best burrito I ever had!

Cindy

Janet Wilder > wrote:
: Nick Cramer wrote:

: >
: > My daughter sometimes makes turkey or chicken fajitas. She only gives me
: > one or two. I eat them with lots of real hot salsa colorado. Yep. I eat the
: > tortillas, too. Don't remember the numbers, as that was before I started
: > keeping records (started 5/4/08). I'll report next time, so Ozgirl and
: > Susan can hit me over the head. ;-D Just kidding girls. I really appreciate
: > the advice, and that you haven't given up on me.
: >

: I won't hit you over the head <vbg>

: We use La Tortilla Factory brand "Smart & Delicious" tortillas. The
: "original" whole wheat ones. each small tortilla contains 10 grams of
: carbs and 7g of dietary fiber. That leaves 3 grams to count. You could
: eat 5 of these and they would count as one "carb count" of 15g.

: www.latortillafactory.com They are made in California, but I believe
: they are sold all over the US. Mission makes low carb tortillas, too,
: but I like the La Tortilla Factory ones better for sandwich wraps. The
: Mission white flour ones work a little better for enchiladas.

: I use the tortillas as wraps for eggs and heat & eat turkey sausage for
: breakfast. I like tuna salad or chicken salad wrapped in one of them
: with some lettuce and a little tomato for lunch. (I can't eat bread so
: tortillas are the only way I can make a sandwich.)

: They make wonderful soft tacos and enchilladas.

: Get the smaller ones, not the giant ones as the larger ones have more carbs.

: You can eat well as a Diabetic. You just have to eat differently.

: --
: Janet Wilder
: Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
: Good Friends. Good Life

I only find the Mission large low car tortillas which have 10 grs
effective carbs(net fiber). they are very big, so one does just fine for
a sanadwich or a faux pizza.

Wendy

Nick Cramer > wrote:
: "W. Baker" > wrote:
: > Nicky > wrote:
: > : On Fri, 16 May 2008 05:39:46 -0700 (PDT), ankalime

: > : >Served 1 chicken breast per adult cut into strips with veg and a tbsp
: > : >of sour cream on top, 1/3 c vegetarian refried beans on the side with
: > : >a sprinkle of shredded cheese, and jalapenos on the side. 2 hour pp =
: > : >105. And the kids liked it!
: >
: > : Sounds yummy! And what is it with the man/BBQ thing? I like a spot of
: > : pyromania too, but I only ever get near the thing if he's away...

: > I think it makes them think that they are a cave man rubbing sticks
: > together to warm and feed their women and children. Like going hunting
: > so they can stay with their buddies and not shave or bathe for several
: > days. that seems to be the pattern near my summer home. You can smell
: > those hunters from a mile away as they come to the supermarket to clean
: > out all the beer.

: That's a lot of cheap shots in one post, Wendy. Doncha love it when we
: bring home that venison and rabbit? Sorry, we drink the Wild Turkey before
: we get home!

: PS You forgot the Smiley face!

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But can't eat that venison and rabbit, so what's the point:-)

We had a friend on our road who used to get a bow and arrow permit, a doe
ermit and a regular huting liscense so he could get 3 deer, have a friend
butcher them neatly and fill his freezer for the winter. He didn't even
hang around with the guys for that, just went out locally(Catskill Park
area) and took his deer.

Wendy

"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> Alan S > wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >So, you don't think I have to worry about an FBG of 60? I had a 46 one
>> >morning. I think I ate a bagel to bring it up. Don't remember the PP BG,
>> >as that was before I started keeping notes with
>> >
>> >http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/
>
>> I would only worry if I had hypo symptoms.
>
> What are the symptoms? I've never noticed anything unusual.

They can vary and like I said in my other reply, sometimes there are none.
This can be scary because you don't always think clearly when you have a
hypo. I've had one, gone into the kitchen for candy or other food, then
spaced out and forgotten why I went in there. Sometimes I wind up crying as
I'm putting away dishes, or washing dishes or whatever else I can see that
needs done, never realizing I need food until I see it. One I passed out on
the fridge. Literally in the fridge. I opened it up, then tried to crawl
inside. That's how bad the brain can get when you're having one.

For me, if I do get symptoms they can really vary. Might get light headed,
see spots or bright colors swirling around overhead. I might start laughing
or saying silly things. Acting drunk. If I am typing, I make a ton of
typos and don't realize it. Or I realize it but am unable to do anything
about it. My legs can turn to rubber. I can feel sick to my stomach, or
get a headache. Get really dizzy. Sometimes pass out. Get all hot and
cold at the same time, breaking out in a sweat. I might feel super hungry,
and or crave sweet foods. Or worse yet, I will refuse food when someone
else attempts to give it to me. I will know I am hungry but will get
adamant and say it is not time for me to eat. Sometimes I can get really
snappish and surly to those around me. Might have one or more of those
symptoms or none at all.

ankalime wrote:
> On May 16, 6:05 pm, Nicky > wrote:
>
>> Sounds yummy! And what is it with the man/BBQ thing? I like a spot of
>> pyromania too, but I only ever get near the thing if he's away...
>
> I think, as Wendy mentioned in her post, that it has something to do
> with caves and sticks and hunting. At least for my husband. Nick is
> obviously happy to allow Jun to use his fire, and Alan S makes it
> sound romantic.
>
> I have to admit, though, Rob's a good grill cook. Back before I was
> diabetic, he decided to make a burrito on the grill. Wrapped the
> ingredients in a tortilla and put it on the fire. I thought he was
> nuts, but it was the best burrito I ever had!
>
> Cindy

I describe my DH's activity at the grill as "sending up burnt offerings
to the great god Barbecue"

I prepare the foods to be grilled and he cooks them. Our gas grill is
huge, a six burner stainless steel monster with a side burner on one end
and an ice well on the other. I have named it "Grillzilla" Since I have
the ability to light only one side, I have been using it as a smoker,
too. I got some great advice at alt.food.barbecue, too. Most of the
folks there are nice. There are always Usenet exceptions.

--
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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:55:13 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>I describe my DH's activity at the grill as "sending up burnt offerings
>to the great god Barbecue"
>
>I prepare the foods to be grilled and he cooks them. Our gas grill is
>huge, a six burner stainless steel monster with a side burner on one end
>and an ice well on the other. I have named it "Grillzilla" Since I have
>the ability to light only one side,

Your grill has a distaff side and refuses to be lit on the
other side by you? You really do have sophisticated BBQ's
over the-)

Or being Canadian, does it come in Le BBQ and La BBQ types?

Mine is an equal opportunity BBQ which will light up with a
happy whoosh either way...


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

Janet Wilder > wrote:
> Nick Cramer wrote:
> >
> > My daughter sometimes makes turkey or chicken fajitas. She only gives
> > me one or two. I eat them with lots of real hot salsa colorado. Yep. I
> > eat the tortillas, too. Don't remember the numbers, as that was before
> > I started keeping records (started 5/4/08). I'll report next time, so
> > Ozgirl and Susan can hit me over the head. ;-D Just kidding girls. I
> > really appreciate the advice, and that you haven't given up on me.
> >
>
> I won't hit you over the head <vbg>

I know that you know that I really was kidding, Jaye. A good swift kick in
the butt is good for me when I'm slacking!

I'll hafta ask my daughter to look for those La Tortilla Factory brand
"Smart & Delicious" tortillas. The "original" whole wheat ones. Thanks for
the tip.

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"W. Baker" > wrote:
> Nick Cramer > wrote:
> : "W. Baker" > wrote:
> : > Nicky > wrote:
> : > : On Fri, 16 May 2008 05:39:46 -0700 (PDT), ankalime
> [ . . . ]
> But can't eat that venison and rabbit, so what's the point:-)

http://www.koshervenison.com/

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Janet Wilder > wrote:
> ankalime wrote:
> > On May 16, 6:05 pm, Nicky > wrote:
> > [ . . . ]
> I prepare the foods to be grilled and he cooks them. Our gas grill is
> huge, a six burner stainless steel monster with a side burner on one end
> and an ice well on the other. I have named it "Grillzilla" Since I have
> the ability to light only one side, I have been using it as a smoker,
> too. I got some great advice at alt.food.barbecue, too. Most of the
> folks there are nice. There are always Usenet exceptions.

Yes. I've seen you on a.f.b of late. That made me happy. Some of those
folks have bee BBQing (smoking) since before the flood! Glad ya like it.

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Janet Wilder > wrote:
> ankalime wrote:
> > On May 16, 6:05 pm, Nicky > wrote:
> > [ . . . ]
> I prepare the foods to be grilled and he cooks them. Our gas grill is
> huge, a six burner stainless steel monster with a side burner on one end
> and an ice well on the other. I have named it "Grillzilla" Since I have
> the ability to light only one side, I have been using it as a smoker,
> too. I got some great advice at alt.food.barbecue, too. Most of the
> folks there are nice. There are always Usenet exceptions.

Yes. I've seen you on a.f.b of late. That made me happy. Some of those
folks have been BBQing (smoking) since before the flood! Glad ya like it.

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For me it can different symptons..somtimes its the shakes..othertimes its a
headache..othertimes i fell buzzed or get really chatty..othertimes i get
grouchy as hell.

when im online people can tell cause my typing goes to crap and i invert
letters etc.

KROM



"Alan S" > wrote in message
...
> On 17 May 2008 10:48:05 GMT, Nick Cramer
> > wrote:
>
>>Alan S > wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >So, you don't think I have to worry about an FBG of 60? I had a 46 one
>>> >morning. I think I ate a bagel to bring it up. Don't remember the PP
>>> >BG,
>>> >as that was before I started keeping notes with
>>> >
>>> >http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/
>>
>>> I would only worry if I had hypo symptoms.
>>
>>What are the symptoms? I've never noticed anything unusual.
>
> For me it was usually (but not always) shakes, an inability
> to properly control my limbs, a feeling of
> vertigo/nausea/dizziness.
>
> I only went unconscious once, and that was before diagnosis.
> The best post-diagnosis was when I was in the middle of the
> pool and suddenly couldn't swim. But I made it to the side
> somehow.
>
> I can't recall having one in the past couple of years; in
> fact they've been rare since I added metformin three years
> back.
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
>
> Angkor Wat
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

Alan S wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:55:13 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>> I describe my DH's activity at the grill as "sending up burnt offerings
>> to the great god Barbecue"
>>
>> I prepare the foods to be grilled and he cooks them. Our gas grill is
>> huge, a six burner stainless steel monster with a side burner on one end
>> and an ice well on the other. I have named it "Grillzilla" Since I have
>> the ability to light only one side,
>
> Your grill has a distaff side and refuses to be lit on the
> other side by you? You really do have sophisticated BBQ's
> over the-)
>
> Or being Canadian, does it come in Le BBQ and La BBQ types?
>
> Mine is an equal opportunity BBQ which will light up with a
> happy whoosh either way...
>

I think you whooshed me, Alan.

Our grill has 6 burners and each one lights individually. If I light two
or three burners on the right side of the grill, I can cook food over
indirect heat on the left side.


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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
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Nick Cramer > wrote:
: "W. Baker" > wrote:
: > Nick Cramer > wrote:
: > : "W. Baker" > wrote:
: > : > Nicky > wrote:
: > : > : On Fri, 16 May 2008 05:39:46 -0700 (PDT), ankalime
: > [ . . . ]
: > But can't eat that venison and rabbit, so what's the point:-)

: http://www.koshervenison.com/

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But it can't be hunted, only carefully and kosherly slaughtered!

Wendy

I usually get the shakes and have a problem keeping focus, sometimes get
pretty grouchy...walked out in front of a car once...thank goodness it was
in a parking lot and the guy was driving slow, he probably thought I was
nuts. I am on Metformin so don't go hypo often , but that day I had fasting
blood tests, and had errands to run while in town and forgot to eat, so by 4
in the afternoon I was feeling pretty lousy Never did that again.
Jacquie
"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> Alan S > wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >So, you don't think I have to worry about an FBG of 60? I had a 46 one
>> >morning. I think I ate a bagel to bring it up. Don't remember the PP BG,
>> >as that was before I started keeping notes with
>> >
>> >http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/
>
>> I would only worry if I had hypo symptoms.
>
> What are the symptoms? I've never noticed anything unusual.
>
> --
> Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
> I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
> They
> are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
> forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

On Mon, 19 May 2008 12:01:50 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>I think you whooshed me, Alan.

Like most jests that fail, too much is lost in the
explanation.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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"jacquie" > wrote:
> I usually get the shakes and have a problem keeping focus, sometimes get
> pretty grouchy...walked out in front of a car once...thank goodness it
> was in a parking lot and the guy was driving slow, he probably thought I
> was nuts. I am on Metformin so don't go hypo often , but that day I had
> fasting blood tests, and had errands to run while in town and forgot to
> eat, so by 4 in the afternoon I was feeling pretty lousy Never did that
> again. Jacquie
> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
> > Alan S > wrote:
> >> > wrote:
[ . . . ]

That had ta be scary. I used to walk in front of cars, going to mine,
parked across the street, when I was drunk. A long time ago.

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Alan S > wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 12:01:50 -0500, Janet Wilder

> >I think you whooshed me, Alan.
>
> Like most jests that fail, too much is lost in the
> explanation.

Agreed. If you have to explain a joke, it wasn't funny!

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It was...took a few minutes for my heart to slow down


"Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
...
> "jacquie" > wrote:
>> I usually get the shakes and have a problem keeping focus, sometimes get
>> pretty grouchy...walked out in front of a car once...thank goodness it
>> was in a parking lot and the guy was driving slow, he probably thought I
>> was nuts. I am on Metformin so don't go hypo often , but that day I had
>> fasting blood tests, and had errands to run while in town and forgot to
>> eat, so by 4 in the afternoon I was feeling pretty lousy Never did that
>> again. Jacquie
>> "Nick Cramer" > wrote in message
>> > Alan S > wrote:
>> >> > wrote:
> [ . . . ]
>
> That had ta be scary. I used to walk in front of cars, going to mine,
> parked across the street, when I was drunk. A long time ago.
>
> --
> Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
> I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
> They
> are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
> forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~