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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:12:09 +0000 (UTC), Priscilla H Ballou
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>But it was 30 points higher the next morning, not in the post-prandial
>reading. It might well have been "over the moon" at 1 and 2 hours.



But wouldn't he have shown some symptoms during that 1 or 2 hour time
that would have alerted him that something was up and he should check
his bg levels?

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On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:35:59 GMT, Siobhan Perricone
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>I don't know all the medical details, but when you're hungry and your tummy
>is empty, your liver releases sugars into your blood stream. That's on of
>the potential causes of the "dawn phenonmenon" (where you have higher BG
>readings in the morning when you wake up because you haven't eaten anything
>at all for 8 or so hours).


Is that why MD's use a fasting bg level done in the AM to determine
if/when a person is diabetic?

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:46:46 -0500, Walter Luffman
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>Not that anyone asked, but my current favorite diet cola is Pepsi One;
>it really does taste "more like a regular cola", to me at least.
>(Pre-diagnosis, I almost always chose Coke Classic over Pepsi.) Among
>non-cola carbonated soft drinks, my usual choice is Diet Sprite.


That is my mom's favorite drink now also. She's the reason I'm in
this group. She is a type 2 diabetic, and I've been trying to find
some support groups for families of diabetics, but this is one of the
few things I have found.

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>I've been trying to find
>some support groups for families of diabetics, but this is one of the
>few things I have found.


Check with your local hospital. They may have some lines on support
groups. You could probably join an actual diabetes support group. I
know that family involvement makes managing the disease much, much
easier.
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:46:46 -0500, Walter Luffman
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>Not that anyone asked, but my current favorite diet cola is Pepsi One;
>it really does taste "more like a regular cola", to me at least.
>(Pre-diagnosis, I almost always chose Coke Classic over Pepsi.) Among
>non-cola carbonated soft drinks, my usual choice is Diet Sprite.


That is my mom's favorite cola now also. She's the reason I'm in
here. She's been a type 2 diabetic for about 5 years now, and I've
been trying to find a support group for families of daibetics.

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:15:22 -0400, Siobhan Perricone
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>>But wouldn't he have shown some symptoms during that 1 or 2 hour time
>>that would have alerted him that something was up and he should check
>>his bg levels?

>
>I never have any symptoms of note when I'm having a spike. The only way I
>can tell is when I test.


I only get symptoms (tight feeling in the forehead and scalp, flushed
face) when it is excessively high, over 9 (160) or 10 (180). Only the
meter can tell me if it's between 7 and 9.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz
dx May 2002, diet and exercise.
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:58:28 +1100, Alan > wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:15:22 -0400, Siobhan Perricone
> wrote:
>
>>>But wouldn't he have shown some symptoms during that 1 or 2 hour time
>>>that would have alerted him that something was up and he should check
>>>his bg levels?

>>
>>I never have any symptoms of note when I'm having a spike. The only way I
>>can tell is when I test.

>
>I only get symptoms (tight feeling in the forehead and scalp, flushed
>face) when it is excessively high, over 9 (160) or 10 (180). Only the
>meter can tell me if it's between 7 and 9.


Don't think I've ever had a spike higher than 163. I was diagnosed early
and I've been successfully controlling it with diet and exercise, and the
only times I've had such high spikes are after celebratory meals where I
eat whatever I want, including the special dessert, without counting the
carbs. Or when I eat too much sushi. Usually after such high carb
consumption I"ll take an extra long, more energetic walk, to lower my BG.
Usually that works. I've only had a very few really bad spikes in the last
ten months since diagnosis.

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In article >,
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>On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:35:59 GMT, Siobhan Perricone
> wrote:
>>I don't know all the medical details, but when you're hungry and your tummy
>>is empty, your liver releases sugars into your blood stream. That's on of
>>the potential causes of the "dawn phenonmenon" (where you have higher BG
>>readings in the morning when you wake up because you haven't eaten anything
>>at all for 8 or so hours).


>Is that why MD's use a fasting bg level done in the AM to determine
>if/when a person is diabetic?


This is why a fasting bg test is not always valid. The
dawn phenomenon is present in non-diabetics as well.

It is not that uncommon for my bg to rise by 30 points
or more between 4 AM and 7 AM. Which is the fasting
reading? The testing facilities here open at 7.


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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:14:46 -0400, Siobhan Perricone
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>>Is that why MD's use a fasting bg level done in the AM to determine
>>if/when a person is diabetic?

>
>Yup.


Thanks a lot, sweetie!

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:57:24 GMT, Lori
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>Check with your local hospital. They may have some lines on support
>groups. You could probably join an actual diabetes support group. I
>know that family involvement makes managing the disease much, much
>easier.
>
>Lori


Thanks, Lori. I have just now found out that our 81 year old roommate
is also diabetic. I think she is type two, as it has just started in
the past few days, from all the medicine that she takes for her
emphyzema.

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:15:22 -0400, Siobhan Perricone
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>I never have any symptoms of note when I'm having a spike. The only way I
>can tell is when I test.


It wouldn't make a person jumpy or jittery or hyper like kids who eat
too much sugar do sometimes? Or is the only incidence that would
cause symptoms having too low of bg levels?

Cindi


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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:58:28 +1100, Alan >
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>I only get symptoms (tight feeling in the forehead and scalp, flushed
>face) when it is excessively high, over 9 (160) or 10 (180). Only the
>meter can tell me if it's between 7 and 9.
>
>Cheers Alan, T2, Oz
>dx May 2002, diet and exercise.


That sounds like the symptoms that I show when my blood pressure is
wwwaaayyyy over the limit. But, I am learning more every day. Which
is why I am in this group in the first place.

Cindi
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In article >,
Bay Area Dave > wrote:

> funny. when my bg's get low, I get sleepy.


Well, that too, but it's a different kind of sleepy. ;-)

Too Low Sleepy = shaky, confused, sleepy
Too High Sleepy = crashing fatigue sleepy

Hard to describe the difference, but I can discern it.

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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 04:29:33 GMT, Bay Area Dave
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>I get sleepy when I read in the evening.
>My wife gets sleepy when we watch TV...
>dave


And mine when we go to bed :-((

Pete

[snip]


Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved.
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:44:08 GMT, Priscilla Ballou
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>When my BG goes too high, I get sleepy.
>Priscilla


Hmmm... I've never heard of anyone getting sleepy when thir bg goes
high - when it goes low, most definitely, but not when it goes high.

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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:16:12 GMT, Priscilla Ballou
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>Too Low Sleepy = shaky, confused, sleepy


kind of like the feeling when you get hungry and can't really
concentrate on anything until you eat something?

>Too High Sleepy = crashing fatigue sleepy


the type of sleepy like you've been up for 3 days straight with no
sleep?

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> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:44:08 GMT, Priscilla Ballou
> > wrote:
>
> >When my BG goes too high, I get sleepy.
> >Priscilla

>
> Hmmm... I've never heard of anyone getting sleepy when thir bg goes
> high - when it goes low, most definitely, but not when it goes high.


I get sleepy. In fact, I was so sleepy prior to diagnosis that people were
joking about it. Now when I get really sleepy like that, I test my BG.
I've had highs and lows with exactly the same symptoms.

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I get sleepy when I read in the evening. My wife gets sleepy when we
watch TV...

dave

Julie Bove wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:44:08 GMT, Priscilla Ballou
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>When my BG goes too high, I get sleepy.
>>>Priscilla

>>
>>Hmmm... I've never heard of anyone getting sleepy when thir bg goes
>>high - when it goes low, most definitely, but not when it goes high.

>
>
> I get sleepy. In fact, I was so sleepy prior to diagnosis that people were
> joking about it. Now when I get really sleepy like that, I test my BG.
> I've had highs and lows with exactly the same symptoms.
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"Bay Area Dave" > wrote in message
m...
> I get sleepy when I read in the evening. My wife gets sleepy when we
> watch TV...


That's one reason why I don't like TV or movies very much. Both put me to
sleep very quickly. I can only manage to stay awake if it is something I
really want to watch. But I must also be doing something else at the same
time to keep my mind active. Like a craft project, reading or sketching.
I've never understood those people who get engrossed in TV shows. I'd fall
asleep before I could!

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:34:01 -0500, "Julie Bove" >
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>That's one reason why I don't like TV or movies very much. Both put me to
>sleep very quickly. I can only manage to stay awake if it is something I
>really want to watch.


This is why you need a TiVo! There's always something I want to watch
on it because I've asked mine to go out and find me things I like to watch!
Though, I will grant, I consider movie watching one of my hobbies, so I
do watch a lot of movies on TV. The great thing about TiVo is that there's
always a movie I want to see, and I don't end up wandering around the
channels on a lazy Sunday afternoon looking for something to watch when
there isn't anything that interests me.

I'm also able to compress my watching time because I can skip the
commercials easily (or hop back to see them if I want), which is faster
than just fast forwarding through them. Though most of the movies I watch
don't have commercials, we are watching, uhm, five broadcast shows.
*counts* Alias, 24, Malcolm in the Middle, ER, nope, looks like four
broadcast shows. The other series we watch is Jeremiah, but that's on
Showtime. Anyway, the great thing is we can watch these any time and the
quality is much better than on a tape.

Anyway, I guess my point is just if you had a TiVo, you'd probably be
surprised at how much stuff there is out that that's actually interesting.
I get lots of interesting documentaries that I never had time to search for
in the listings before.

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about the only things we watch are news, DVD movies, and Dr. Phil. I'm
always rooting for him. I loved it the other night when he gave some
lady hell for cheating repeatedly on her husband. He was so mad his
voice was cracking!


dave

Julie Bove wrote:

> "Bay Area Dave" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>I get sleepy when I read in the evening. My wife gets sleepy when we
>>watch TV...

>
>
> That's one reason why I don't like TV or movies very much. Both put me to
> sleep very quickly. I can only manage to stay awake if it is something I
> really want to watch. But I must also be doing something else at the same
> time to keep my mind active. Like a craft project, reading or sketching.
> I've never understood those people who get engrossed in TV shows. I'd fall
> asleep before I could!
>


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bummer!

dave

Pete wrote:

> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 04:29:33 GMT, Bay Area Dave
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I get sleepy when I read in the evening.
>>My wife gets sleepy when we watch TV...
>>dave

>
>
> And mine when we go to bed :-((
>
> Pete
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
> + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved.
> To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com




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>On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:44:08 GMT, Priscilla Ballou
> wrote:
>
>>When my BG goes too high, I get sleepy.
>>Priscilla


I'm looking at my chart regarding Hyperglycemia (high blood glucose)
Drowsiness is definately a symptom.

regards
bill
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"Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:34:01 -0500, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
> >That's one reason why I don't like TV or movies very much. Both put me

to
> >sleep very quickly. I can only manage to stay awake if it is something I
> >really want to watch.

>
> This is why you need a TiVo! There's always something I want to watch
> on it because I've asked mine to go out and find me things I like to

watch!
> Though, I will grant, I consider movie watching one of my hobbies, so

I
> do watch a lot of movies on TV. The great thing about TiVo is that there's
> always a movie I want to see, and I don't end up wandering around the
> channels on a lazy Sunday afternoon looking for something to watch when
> there isn't anything that interests me.


TiVo wouldn't help me one bit. First, there has to be a good movie for me
to want to watch. I haven't been to a movie in a theater in about 6 years.
And in all my adult life (am 44 now), I can only think of maybe 3 or 4
movies that I really wanted to see, enough to where I went to the theater.
I have digital cable. I have a ton of channels and there is a wide variety
of stuff to watch. I just don't care for any of it.
>
> I'm also able to compress my watching time because I can skip the
> commercials easily (or hop back to see them if I want), which is faster
> than just fast forwarding through them. Though most of the movies I watch
> don't have commercials, we are watching, uhm, five broadcast shows.
> *counts* Alias, 24, Malcolm in the Middle, ER, nope, looks like four
> broadcast shows. The other series we watch is Jeremiah, but that's on
> Showtime. Anyway, the great thing is we can watch these any time and the
> quality is much better than on a tape.


I can't be bothered to watch a tape of anything. I don't own a DVD player,
but will probably eventually have to get one simply because I have a kid.
People have given me movies as gifts. I've loaned them out, but have never
watched them and probably ever will. I could really care less about
quality. Some of my favorite movies were really low budget independent
flims. To me, plot is almost everything. Acting is second in line. I
don't give a fig about special effects or any of those other things. I did
see Malcolm in the Middle a few times. At least a few minutes of it.
Didn't care for it. Honestly, I could live without a TV. There are a few
shows I like, mainly on BBC America, but if I couldn't watch them, it
wouldn't bother me in the least.

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>
> Anyway, I guess my point is just if you had a TiVo, you'd probably be
> surprised at how much stuff there is out that that's actually interesting.
> I get lots of interesting documentaries that I never had time to search

for
> in the listings before.
>
> --
> Siobhan Perricone
> "Who would have thought that a bad Austrian artist who's obsessed with the

human physical ideal could assemble such a rabid political following?"
> - www.theonion.com



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I've coveted Tivo for years because I thought I could live without it. Now
that I have it, I LOVE my Tivo. (I also have DirecTV, which is also very
cool.)

If you have a particular show that you watch, you can program it to tape the
whole season, so you don't have to keep setting the VCR every week. Also,
you can set it to record all episodes, or just the first runs.

I have mine set to watch for key words like "diabetes" and it finds shows
that are about diabetes and records them. So far it's found a couple of
shows that were interesting which I never would have known about to watch
otherwise.

So back to your original dilemma, Tivo will help you find things you really
want to watch so maybe you'll have a better chance of staying interested and
staying awake.

BTW, it's all menu driven and easy to set up and use. I'm hoping my mom
will get one to help her record shows, which she probably wouldn't take the
time to do on a VCR because it's so tedious. With the Tivo, she could
actually enjoy TV when she wants to.

(That's another thing, you don't have to wait for it to stop recording
before you watch that recording. So, for example, if you are wanting to
watch a particular show, but want to fast forward through the commercials,
wait until it has recorded about 15-30 minutes and then you can fast forward
through the commercials.)

In case this hasn't been discussed, it also allows you to pause and rewind
live TV that you are watching. So, if you missed the last phrase someone
said, and you want to know what it was, you can go back and pick it up.

I knjow this is WAY OT, but I hope it's helpful.

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Age 37, Type 1 for 10 years
Paradigm 512
"Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:34:01 -0500, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
> >That's one reason why I don't like TV or movies very much. Both put me

to
> >sleep very quickly. I can only manage to stay awake if it is something I
> >really want to watch.

>
> This is why you need a TiVo! There's always something I want to watch
> on it because I've asked mine to go out and find me things I like to

watch!
> Though, I will grant, I consider movie watching one of my hobbies, so

I
> do watch a lot of movies on TV. The great thing about TiVo is that there's
> always a movie I want to see, and I don't end up wandering around the
> channels on a lazy Sunday afternoon looking for something to watch when
> there isn't anything that interests me.
>
> I'm also able to compress my watching time because I can skip the
> commercials easily (or hop back to see them if I want), which is faster
> than just fast forwarding through them. Though most of the movies I watch
> don't have commercials, we are watching, uhm, five broadcast shows.
> *counts* Alias, 24, Malcolm in the Middle, ER, nope, looks like four
> broadcast shows. The other series we watch is Jeremiah, but that's on
> Showtime. Anyway, the great thing is we can watch these any time and the
> quality is much better than on a tape.
>
> Anyway, I guess my point is just if you had a TiVo, you'd probably be
> surprised at how much stuff there is out that that's actually interesting.
> I get lots of interesting documentaries that I never had time to search

for
> in the listings before.
>
> --
> Siobhan Perricone
> "Who would have thought that a bad Austrian artist who's obsessed with the

human physical ideal could assemble such a rabid political following?"
> - www.theonion.com



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Had Type 2 for 10 or 12 years. I get sleepy when BG is too high and shaky when
it's too low. Internal warning system seems to be working well.
Nan, Type 2
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There's a lot of cool stuff on cable tv for any interest. Hmm - maybe
I'll get Tivo for my satellite syste,.

"Juan Antonio" > wrote in message om>...
> I've coveted Tivo for years because I thought I could live without it. Now
> that I have it, I LOVE my Tivo. (I also have DirecTV, which is also very
> cool.)
>
> If you have a particular show that you watch, you can program it to tape the
> whole season, so you don't have to keep setting the VCR every week. Also,
> you can set it to record all episodes, or just the first runs.
>
> I have mine set to watch for key words like "diabetes" and it finds shows
> that are about diabetes and records them. So far it's found a couple of
> shows that were interesting which I never would have known about to watch
> otherwise.
>
> So back to your original dilemma, Tivo will help you find things you really
> want to watch so maybe you'll have a better chance of staying interested and
> staying awake.
>
> BTW, it's all menu driven and easy to set up and use. I'm hoping my mom
> will get one to help her record shows, which she probably wouldn't take the
> time to do on a VCR because it's so tedious. With the Tivo, she could
> actually enjoy TV when she wants to.
>
> (That's another thing, you don't have to wait for it to stop recording
> before you watch that recording. So, for example, if you are wanting to
> watch a particular show, but want to fast forward through the commercials,
> wait until it has recorded about 15-30 minutes and then you can fast forward
> through the commercials.)
>
> In case this hasn't been discussed, it also allows you to pause and rewind
> live TV that you are watching. So, if you missed the last phrase someone
> said, and you want to know what it was, you can go back and pick it up.
>
> I knjow this is WAY OT, but I hope it's helpful.
>
> --
> Antonio in Los Angeles
> Age 37, Type 1 for 10 years
> Paradigm 512
> "Siobhan Perricone" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:34:01 -0500, "Julie Bove" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >That's one reason why I don't like TV or movies very much. Both put me

> to
> > >sleep very quickly. I can only manage to stay awake if it is something I
> > >really want to watch.

> >
> > This is why you need a TiVo! There's always something I want to watch
> > on it because I've asked mine to go out and find me things I like to

> watch!
> > Though, I will grant, I consider movie watching one of my hobbies, so

> I
> > do watch a lot of movies on TV. The great thing about TiVo is that there's
> > always a movie I want to see, and I don't end up wandering around the
> > channels on a lazy Sunday afternoon looking for something to watch when
> > there isn't anything that interests me.
> >
> > I'm also able to compress my watching time because I can skip the
> > commercials easily (or hop back to see them if I want), which is faster
> > than just fast forwarding through them. Though most of the movies I watch
> > don't have commercials, we are watching, uhm, five broadcast shows.
> > *counts* Alias, 24, Malcolm in the Middle, ER, nope, looks like four
> > broadcast shows. The other series we watch is Jeremiah, but that's on
> > Showtime. Anyway, the great thing is we can watch these any time and the
> > quality is much better than on a tape.
> >
> > Anyway, I guess my point is just if you had a TiVo, you'd probably be
> > surprised at how much stuff there is out that that's actually interesting.
> > I get lots of interesting documentaries that I never had time to search

> for
> > in the listings before.
> >
> > --
> > Siobhan Perricone
> > "Who would have thought that a bad Austrian artist who's obsessed with the

> human physical ideal could assemble such a rabid political following?"
> > - www.theonion.com



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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:58:51 -0500, Mack >
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>really? It's a very common symptom.


I'm beginning to see that - and I'm learning more and more about
diabetes every day, thanks to everyone in the diabetic ng's.

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:16:49 -0500, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I get sleepy. In fact, I was so sleepy prior to diagnosis that people were
>joking about it. Now when I get really sleepy like that, I test my BG.
>I've had highs and lows with exactly the same symptoms.


I was talking to one of my uncles on Sunday, and he told me that when
my cousin (who is a T1 ever since he was about 10) was first DXd, all
he wanted to do was sleep all the time. I don't remember it.

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> I get sleepy. In fact, I was so sleepy prior to diagnosis that
> people were joking about it. Now when I get really sleepy like
> that, I test my BG. I've had highs and lows with exactly the
> same symptoms.
>


My wife is the diabetic in the family. Her experience was the
same as yours. Before diagnosis she was tired all the time. Her
fasting blood glucose was 450, A1C was 15.1. Ever since she got
better control, she not tired like that. Often the symptoms of
hyper and hypo conditions are the same. You have to test to be
sure.

Larry
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