Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to take
the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability and
how I will be treated if it does break down.
Thanks

"Skeeter" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to
take
> the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability
and
> how I will be treated if it does break down.
> Thanks
==
I have had the SHU6800 series unit for about a year +. No problems yet. I
suggest you by
your dishwasher from Sears unless you have a trusted local dealer.
==
==
>
>

"Skeeter" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to
take
> the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability
and
> how I will be treated if it does break down.
> Thanks
>
>

We've had one for 5 years without a single problem. Nice and quiet, too.
Like any DW you need to learn its idiosyncracies - where to put what, how
much soap to put in, and so on. I'd buy one again.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

In article >,
"Skeeter" > wrote:

> Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support?

My mom was living in a place with a four-year-old Bosch d/w that had not
required any service at all. Worked just like day one.

sd

in article , Skeeter at
wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:

> Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to take
> the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability and
> how I will be treated if it does break down.
> Thanks
>
>

While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher owners
whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?

I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle grinder to get
rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned out from
time to time.

The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be so quiet,
no food grinder.

Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?

--

Thomas A. Bruno, Champaign, Illinois, USA
http://www.tombruno.com

Cleaning the strainer is no big deal at all. One of the things that I liked
about it was that at least I knew what size particles was going thru. With
other dishwasher with a grinder you don't get to see what is going thru
because it either gets ground up or gets the hold thing clogged!

One thing I didn't like was the inability to turn the dryer off. When I
moved and redid the kitchen I purchased a Kitchen Aid Superba. Not quite as
quiet but not noisy either. It seems to clean as well and did cost a bit
less.


I would not hesitate to recommend a Bosch Dishwasher I had mine for 2 years
before I moved!

I have had the Kitchen Aid for about 1 1/2 years

Wayne

"Thomas A Bruno" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Skeeter at

> wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
>
> > Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to
take
> > the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability
and
> > how I will be treated if it does break down.
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
> While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher owners
> whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
>
> I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle grinder to
get
> rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned out
from
> time to time.
>
> The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be so
quiet,
> no food grinder.
>
> Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?
>
> --
>
> Thomas A. Bruno, Champaign, Illinois, USA
> http://www.tombruno.com
>

Thomas A Bruno > wrote:

>in article , Skeeter at
>wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
>
>> Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to take
>> the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability and
>> how I will be treated if it does break down.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher owners
>whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
>
>I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle grinder to get
>rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned out from
>time to time.
>
>The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be so quiet,
>no food grinder.
>
>Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?


Since I only do it about 3 or 4 times a year I do not consider it a
major hassle. I guess if I put in dishes with more large chunks of
food on them I might have to do it more often.


--
Susan N.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

Older KitchenAid DWs didn't have a grinder .... they had a
rather large screen/filter and it had to be cleaned. Again,
it was no big deal, although we usually get rid of big food
chunks. We used to clean it when it looked bad, maybe once
every few months. I think eventually some of the larger
particles would soften from the hot water and soaps and then
pass through. I now have a KitchenAide with a grinder and I
really don't notice any difference, except that there is no
filter/screen in the new one. I think the Kitchenaid DWs have
gotten just average in quality. The older ones were great; I've
had Kitchenaids since 1971. I think if I ever have to replace
one, I might try Bosch or one of the other high end brands.

Thomas A Bruno wrote:
> in article , Skeeter at
> wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
>
>
>>Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to take
>>the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability and
>>how I will be treated if it does break down.
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>
>
> While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher owners
> whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
>
> I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle grinder to get
> rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned out from
> time to time.
>
> The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be so quiet,
> no food grinder.
>
> Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?
>

"Thomas A Bruno" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Skeeter at

> wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
>
> > Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to
take
> > the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability
and
> > how I will be treated if it does break down.
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
> While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher owners
> whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
>
> I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle grinder to
get
> rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned out
from
> time to time.
>
> The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be so
quiet,
> no food grinder.
>
> Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?
==
Not at all--takes a few seconds a couple times a month. Salesmen seem to use
this as
"negative" but in fact, it is preferable to a grinder. The grinder is loud
and eventually
clogs with particles and is hard, if not impossible to clean. I had a
Kenmore with a grinder
and will never have another DW with one. With the Kenmore, there was no way
to clean
the grinder after it began depositing food particles back on my dishes.
==
>
> --
>
> Thomas A. Bruno, Champaign, Illinois, USA
> http://www.tombruno.com
>

"Thomas A Bruno" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Skeeter at

> wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
>
> > Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to
take
> > the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability
and
> > how I will be treated if it does break down.
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
> While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher owners
> whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
>
> I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle grinder to
get
> rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned out
from
> time to time.
>
> The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be so
quiet,
> no food grinder.
>
> Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?

We have had their middle of the line model for 5 years without a single
problem. It cleans very well and is super-quiet. The strainer is not a
hassle at all. Once every week or 2 take it out and tap the contents into
the garbage - elapsed time 15 seconds.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

Our Bosch Model SHU4008 has heat dry, but no way
to turn it off. My wife doesn't like to use heat dry, so
we have to remember to stop the dishwasher after the
rinse cycle every time. I wonder if it would be very
difficult to get inside and disconnect the heater.
Dick

In article >,
said...
> in article , Skeeter at
> wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
>
> > Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to take
> > the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability and
> > how I will be treated if it does break down.
>
> While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher owners
> whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
>
> I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle grinder to get
> rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned out from
> time to time.
>
> The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be so quiet,
> no food grinder.
>
> Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?

Not in the least. In fact, since I read your post I realized that I
hadn't checked it in a few months so I did. There was a small piece of
foil in there and nothing else. It's definitely the nicest appliance I
own.

"Dick M." > wrote in message
news:HFIEb.31017$pY.30643@fed1read04...
> Our Bosch Model SHU4008 has heat dry, but no way
> to turn it off. My wife doesn't like to use heat dry, so
> we have to remember to stop the dishwasher after the
> rinse cycle every time. I wonder if it would be very
> difficult to get inside and disconnect the heater.
> Dick
>
>

Are you sure? My understanding is that no Bosch has a heated dry - it is the
residual heat of the dishes that dries them. THis is one reason why they are
so energy efficient.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

In article >,
Thomas A Bruno > wrote:

> Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?

Nope. Ours most typically caught labels from jars we were washing.
Apparently the glue on the jar is water-soluble, but the paper is not.
We probably cleaned the filter every 6-8 weeks. No biggie.

sd

One of the things I like about our Bosch is the fact that it has a strainer
instead of a food grinder. Think about it -- what would happen to your
grinder if a piece of plate or a glass broke and fell into your grinder?
You probably would have a big repair bill on your hands. We always scrape
our plates off before putting them into the dishwasher.
My 2 cents worth.


"sd" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Thomas A Bruno > wrote:
>
> > Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?
>
> Nope. Ours most typically caught labels from jars we were washing.
> Apparently the glue on the jar is water-soluble, but the paper is not.
> We probably cleaned the filter every 6-8 weeks. No biggie.
>
> sd

"Thomas A Bruno" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Skeeter at

> wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
>
> > Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about to
take
> > the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their reliability
and
> > how I will be treated if it does break down.
> > Thanks
> >
>

Everyone in this thread seems to have had good experiences with the Bosch
DW. Mine is 7yrs old and does a good job but has been noisy since the
warranty expired! It might be a simple repair but one has to take out a
second mortgage just for the service call nowadays.
Graham

In article >,
said...
> "Dick M." > wrote in message
> news:HFIEb.31017$pY.30643@fed1read04...
> > Our Bosch Model SHU4008 has heat dry, but no way
> > to turn it off. My wife doesn't like to use heat dry, so
> > we have to remember to stop the dishwasher after the
> > rinse cycle every time. I wonder if it would be very
> > difficult to get inside and disconnect the heater.
>
> Are you sure? My understanding is that no Bosch has a heated dry - it is the
> residual heat of the dishes that dries them. THis is one reason why they are
> so energy efficient.

That is true with mine. The only problem is that the plastic stuff is
usually still a little wet when it comes out. It's not a big deal. I
usually just put the stuff on the counter for 30 minutes or so and it's
dry. I'm not a big fan of electric heat anyway.

"Joe" > wrote in message
news:uOLEb.594249$HS4.4358987@attbi_s01...
> One of the things I like about our Bosch is the fact that it has a
strainer
> instead of a food grinder. Think about it -- what would happen to your
> grinder if a piece of plate or a glass broke and fell into your grinder?
> You probably would have a big repair bill on your hands.
==
Exactly--This is my pet peeve with dealers who claim that the lack of a
grinder and having to
empty a filter is a negative for the Bosch dishwasher. However, units with
grinders are
not only noisey, they eventually clog and re-deposit particles on the
dishes. Having a filter
that can be manually emptied is good design for utility and noise reduction.
==
We always scrape
> our plates off before putting them into the dishwasher.
> My 2 cents worth.
>
>
> "sd" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Thomas A Bruno > wrote:
> >
> > > Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?
> >
> > Nope. Ours most typically caught labels from jars we were washing.
> > Apparently the glue on the jar is water-soluble, but the paper is not.
> > We probably cleaned the filter every 6-8 weeks. No biggie.
> >
> > sd
>
>

>Joe wrote in message ...
>
>Think about it -- what would happen to your
>grinder if a piece of plate or a glass broke
>and fell into your grinder? You probably would
>have a big repair bill on your hands.

So it's better to allow it to get to the plastic pump impeller so it
can get damaged?

BTW. It happens all the time, pieces of broken glass gets into the
pump and create a horrendous noise until cleaned. Damage usually only
occurs when the obvious signs of a problem are ignored and the
dishwasher is continued to be used in that condition.

JFYI. The "food grinders" used in most dishwasher are nothing like
what you might imagine is in a real food waster disposal. One model
just used a wire spinning around on the end of the pump impeller,
another used a flat metal disk thinner than a dime. Both are more a
"chopper" than a "grinder" and on some models are called a
"macerator".

You can see the one used on GE dishwasher models at the following
link. The macerator is the small "S" shaped thingy. The large, white,
solid disk is the pump impeller.

GE Dishwasher Pump Seal and Impeller Kit
http://ng.appliance411.com/data.php?rc=966683

JFYI

Dan O.
-
Appliance411.com
http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=+dishwashers

=Ð~~~~~~

"Gini" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Thomas A Bruno" > wrote in message
> ...
> > in article , Skeeter at
>
> > wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
> >
> > > Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about
to
> take
> > > the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their
reliability
> and
> > > how I will be treated if it does break down.
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> >
> > While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher owners
> > whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
> >
> > I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle grinder to
> get
> > rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned out
> from
> > time to time.
> >
> > The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be so
> quiet,
> > no food grinder.
> >
> > Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?
> ==
> Not at all--takes a few seconds a couple times a month. Salesmen seem to
use
> this as
> "negative" but in fact, it is preferable to a grinder. The grinder is loud
> and eventually
> clogs with particles and is hard, if not impossible to clean. I had a
> Kenmore with a grinder
> and will never have another DW with one. With the Kenmore, there was no
way
> to clean
> the grinder after it began depositing food particles back on my dishes.
> ==
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thomas A. Bruno, Champaign, Illinois, USA
> > http://www.tombruno.com

I hate my Kitchenaid dishwasher - it deposits all those particles that the
grinder doesn't dispose of, right back inside all the glassware on the upper
rack. I will never own another one with a grinder. Next DW will be a
Bosch.

Jon E

I don't think it is the issue of grinder versus filter that causes the
re-deposit of particles. Newer dishwasher stop for a while mid cycle
to let particles settle and pump them out. Then they continue in the
cycle.

Also make sure you are using a powered (not gel or liquid) detergent
with enzymes.



"Jon Endres, PE" t>
wrote in message
news
>
> "Gini" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Thomas A Bruno" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > in article , Skeeter at
> >
> > > wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
> > >
> > > > Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am
about
> to
> > take
> > > > the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their
> reliability
> > and
> > > > how I will be treated if it does break down.
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher
owners
> > > whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
> > >
> > > I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle
grinder to
> > get
> > > rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be
cleaned out
> > from
> > > time to time.
> > >
> > > The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can
be so
> > quiet,
> > > no food grinder.
> > >
> > > Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?
> > ==
> > Not at all--takes a few seconds a couple times a month. Salesmen
seem to
> use
> > this as
> > "negative" but in fact, it is preferable to a grinder. The grinder
is loud
> > and eventually
> > clogs with particles and is hard, if not impossible to clean. I
had a
> > Kenmore with a grinder
> > and will never have another DW with one. With the Kenmore, there
was no
> way
> > to clean
> > the grinder after it began depositing food particles back on my
dishes.
> > ==
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Thomas A. Bruno, Champaign, Illinois, USA
> > > http://www.tombruno.com
>
> I hate my Kitchenaid dishwasher - it deposits all those particles
that the
> grinder doesn't dispose of, right back inside all the glassware on
the upper
> rack. I will never own another one with a grinder. Next DW will be
a
> Bosch.
>
> Jon E
>
>

What brands would be like that?
Dick



"Art Begun"wrote
> Also make sure you are using a powered (not gel or liquid) detergent
> with enzymes.

Cascade Complete powder has enzymes and was top rated. Consumer
Reports also said Walmart powder was good and rated a best buy because
it was cheap.



"Dick M." > wrote in message
news:TesFb.34739$pY.25856@fed1read04...
> What brands would be like that?
> Dick
>
>
>
> "Art Begun"wrote
> > Also make sure you are using a powered (not gel or liquid)
detergent
> > with enzymes.
>
>

I should have mentioned that we have a water softener and
need a low phosphate detergent. I wonder if either of these
brands are low phosphate?
Dick

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Art Begun" wrote
> Cascade Complete powder has enzymes and was top rated. Consumer
> Reports also said Walmart powder was good and rated a best buy because
> it was cheap.
>
>
>
> "Dick M." wrote
> > What brands would be like that?
> > Dick
> >
> >
> >
> > "Art Begun"wrote
> > > Also make sure you are using a powered (not gel or liquid)
> >>detergent with enzymes.
> >
> >
>
>

We have had a Bosch for the past 8 years. We have not had any problems with
it. So as far as service customer service, I can't answer that question.

Suprisingly enough, one of the biggest problems I have with it, is that it
is so darn quiet. There have been a couple of times, when I open the door to
put in a dirty glass, only to have water and steam spew out at me because it
was running! Really! Maybe a big flashing red light or something...

As far as the food particle basket, in 8 years, we may have had to empty it
once or twice, but on a whole, it stays clean. Now we do a brief rinse of
the plates before we put them in the dishwasher, nothing major, just to
knock off the big chunks.

I would definately get another one if this one ever wears out.
--
Shalom!
Mike -n- Sue Clymer


"Jon Endres, PE" t> wrote in
message news
>
> "Gini" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Thomas A Bruno" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > in article , Skeeter at
> >
> > > wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
> > >
> > > > Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am about
> to
> > take
> > > > the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their
> reliability
> > and
> > > > how I will be treated if it does break down.
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher owners
> > > whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
> > >
> > > I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle grinder
to
> > get
> > > rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned out
> > from
> > > time to time.
> > >
> > > The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be so
> > quiet,
> > > no food grinder.
> > >
> > > Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?
> > ==
> > Not at all--takes a few seconds a couple times a month. Salesmen seem to
> use
> > this as
> > "negative" but in fact, it is preferable to a grinder. The grinder is
loud
> > and eventually
> > clogs with particles and is hard, if not impossible to clean. I had a
> > Kenmore with a grinder
> > and will never have another DW with one. With the Kenmore, there was no
> way
> > to clean
> > the grinder after it began depositing food particles back on my dishes.
> > ==
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Thomas A. Bruno, Champaign, Illinois, USA
> > > http://www.tombruno.com
>
> I hate my Kitchenaid dishwasher - it deposits all those particles that the
> grinder doesn't dispose of, right back inside all the glassware on the
upper
> rack. I will never own another one with a grinder. Next DW will be a
> Bosch.
>
> Jon E
>
>

"Michael Lee" > wrote in message
...
> We have had a Bosch for the past 8 years. We have not had any problems
with
> it. So as far as service customer service, I can't answer that question.
>
> Suprisingly enough, one of the biggest problems I have with it, is that it
> is so darn quiet. There have been a couple of times, when I open the door
to
> put in a dirty glass, only to have water and steam spew out at me because
it
> was running! Really! Maybe a big flashing red light or something...
==
This is why I got the unit with the outside panel/display rather than the
one hidden on top of the door. Mine does have an in use display. Is doesn't
flash but it is red
==
>
> As far as the food particle basket, in 8 years, we may have had to empty
it
> once or twice, but on a whole, it stays clean. Now we do a brief rinse of
> the plates before we put them in the dishwasher, nothing major, just to
> knock off the big chunks.
>
> I would definately get another one if this one ever wears out.
> --
> Shalom!
> Mike -n- Sue Clymer
>
>
> "Jon Endres, PE" t> wrote
in
> message news
> >
> > "Gini" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Thomas A Bruno" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > in article , Skeeter at
> > >
> > > > wrote on 12/6/03 6:33 PM:
> > > >
> > > > > Anyone have any comments on repair historys and support? I am
about
> > to
> > > take
> > > > > the plunge and want to get any last minute thoughts on their
> > reliability
> > > and
> > > > > how I will be treated if it does break down.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > While you are at it, I would love to hear from Bosch dishwasher
owners
> > > > whether the strainer-basket is a nuisance?
> > > >
> > > > I understand that Kitchen-Aid has a traditional food particle
grinder
> to
> > > get
> > > > rid of chunks but the Bosch has a basket which needs to be cleaned
out
> > > from
> > > > time to time.
> > > >
> > > > The salesman I was speaking with said that is why the Bosch can be
so
> > > quiet,
> > > > no food grinder.
> > > >
> > > > Is the basket-strainer cleaning a hassle?
> > > ==
> > > Not at all--takes a few seconds a couple times a month. Salesmen seem
to
> > use
> > > this as
> > > "negative" but in fact, it is preferable to a grinder. The grinder is
> loud
> > > and eventually
> > > clogs with particles and is hard, if not impossible to clean. I had a
> > > Kenmore with a grinder
> > > and will never have another DW with one. With the Kenmore, there was
no
> > way
> > > to clean
> > > the grinder after it began depositing food particles back on my
dishes.
> > > ==
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Thomas A. Bruno, Champaign, Illinois, USA
> > > > http://www.tombruno.com
> >
> > I hate my Kitchenaid dishwasher - it deposits all those particles that
the
> > grinder doesn't dispose of, right back inside all the glassware on the
> upper
> > rack. I will never own another one with a grinder. Next DW will be a
> > Bosch.
> >
> > Jon E
> >
> >
>
>

In article >,
says...
> We have had a Bosch for the past 8 years. We have not had any problems with
> it. So as far as service customer service, I can't answer that question.
>
> Suprisingly enough, one of the biggest problems I have with it, is that it
> is so darn quiet. There have been a couple of times, when I open the door to
> put in a dirty glass, only to have water and steam spew out at me because it
> was running! Really! Maybe a big flashing red light or something...
>
> As far as the food particle basket, in 8 years, we may have had to empty it
> once or twice, but on a whole, it stays clean. Now we do a brief rinse of
> the plates before we put them in the dishwasher, nothing major, just to
> knock off the big chunks.
>
Note that the Bosch service people told us NOT to rinse the dishes
before loading, but only SCRAPE with a spatula. They claim that
leaving food residue on the dishes helps because without something
else to work on, the detergent will attack the finish on dishes.
They claim scraping rather than rinsing prolongs the life of glasses
and china.

I haven't been doing it long enough to know whether this is true.

Rick

You would probably just fill the detergent holder half way or less.
Today's dishwasher need much less detergent then they used to.


"Dick M." > wrote in message
news:ySxFb.37051$pY.472@fed1read04...
> I should have mentioned that we have a water softener and
> need a low phosphate detergent. I wonder if either of these
> brands are low phosphate?
> Dick
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Art Begun" wrote
> > Cascade Complete powder has enzymes and was top rated. Consumer
> > Reports also said Walmart powder was good and rated a best buy
because
> > it was cheap.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dick M." wrote
> > > What brands would be like that?
> > > Dick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Art Begun"wrote
> > > > Also make sure you are using a powered (not gel or liquid)
> > >>detergent with enzymes.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Maytag says the same thing about the need to leave dishes dirty.

My parents just got a Bosch. The only thing I don't like about it is
the top rack doesn't have many "stuck up" wires to hold dishes in
place like other brands.


"Java Man (Espressopithecus)" > wrote in message
ble.net...
> In article >,
> says...
> > We have had a Bosch for the past 8 years. We have not had any
problems with
> > it. So as far as service customer service, I can't answer that
question.
> >
> > Suprisingly enough, one of the biggest problems I have with it, is
that it
> > is so darn quiet. There have been a couple of times, when I open
the door to
> > put in a dirty glass, only to have water and steam spew out at me
because it
> > was running! Really! Maybe a big flashing red light or
something...
> >
> > As far as the food particle basket, in 8 years, we may have had to
empty it
> > once or twice, but on a whole, it stays clean. Now we do a brief
rinse of
> > the plates before we put them in the dishwasher, nothing major,
just to
> > knock off the big chunks.
> >
> Note that the Bosch service people told us NOT to rinse the dishes
> before loading, but only SCRAPE with a spatula. They claim that
> leaving food residue on the dishes helps because without something
> else to work on, the detergent will attack the finish on dishes.
> They claim scraping rather than rinsing prolongs the life of glasses
> and china.
>
> I haven't been doing it long enough to know whether this is true.
>
> Rick

>Jon Endres, PE wrote in message ...
>

>I hate my Kitchenaid dishwasher - it deposits all
>those particles that the grinder doesn't dispose
>of, right back inside all the glassware on the upper
>rack. I will never own another one with a grinder.

Sounds more like you have a problem with yours that needs looking
into. Possible causes are an improperly installed drain hose or a
problem in the pump's "check valve".

I would suggest you put $100 into having a *professional* look into it
for you rather than spending $800+ on a new dishwasher.

JMO

Dan O.
-
Appliance411.com
http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=K...Aid+dishwasher

=Ð~~~~~~

>> "Java Man (Espressopithecus)" wrote
>>
>> Note that the Bosch service people told us NOT
>> to rinse the dishes before loading, but only
>> SCRAPE with a spatula. They claim that
>> leaving food residue on the dishes helps
>> because without something else to work on, the
>> detergent will attack the finish on dishes. They
>> claim scraping rather than rinsing prolongs the
>> life of glasses and china.

>Art Begun wrote in message ...
>
>Maytag says the same thing about the need
>to leave dishes dirty.

If the dishwasher detergent doesn't have material to act upon, it will
cause 'etching' of glasses and other material. Always *scrape* large
food particles into the garbage or food waste disposal but don't
*rinse* them under a tap.

Dan O.
-
Appliance411.com
http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=+dishwashers

=Ð~~~~~~

"Dan O." > wrote in message
...
>
> >> "Java Man (Espressopithecus)" wrote
> >>
> >> Note that the Bosch service people told us NOT
> >> to rinse the dishes before loading, but only
> >> SCRAPE with a spatula. They claim that
> >> leaving food residue on the dishes helps
> >> because without something else to work on, the
> >> detergent will attack the finish on dishes. They
> >> claim scraping rather than rinsing prolongs the
> >> life of glasses and china.
>
> >Art Begun wrote in message ...
> >
> >Maytag says the same thing about the need
> >to leave dishes dirty.
>
> If the dishwasher detergent doesn't have material to act upon, it will
> cause 'etching' of glasses and other material. Always *scrape* large
> food particles into the garbage or food waste disposal but don't
> *rinse* them under a tap.
>
> Dan O.
==
So we should not use the "Rinse and Hold" feature, either? I don't use it
often
but have on occasion.
==
> -
> Appliance411.com
> http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=+dishwashers
>
> =Ð~~~~~~
>
>
>

I find the comments about glass etching, etc. strange. I have been
using dishwashers for about 40 years. I have owned GE, KitchenAid and
Bosch. I have almost always used Cascade detergent. I have never had
any glass or china etch. I put most of my pot and pans in too. I do
not put crystal in the dishwasher. Pyrex no longer makes the painted
bowls and have not for many years. I believe that when dishwashers
became prevalent in the kitchen, they realized that their paints would
not stand up to the detergents and quit using them.

I rinse the dishes before they go in and my husband still thinks that
they have to be almost washed beforehand. And as I said, no etching.

And as far as wet plastic, it beats the hell out of melted plastic.

--
Susan N.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

Better if you don't but if the dishwasher smells like a garbage can
you don't have much choice. Rinse and hold is better choice than
rinsing dishes under the sink according to Consumer Reports.



"Gini" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dan O." > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > >> "Java Man (Espressopithecus)" wrote
> > >>
> > >> Note that the Bosch service people told us NOT
> > >> to rinse the dishes before loading, but only
> > >> SCRAPE with a spatula. They claim that
> > >> leaving food residue on the dishes helps
> > >> because without something else to work on, the
> > >> detergent will attack the finish on dishes. They
> > >> claim scraping rather than rinsing prolongs the
> > >> life of glasses and china.
> >
> > >Art Begun wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >Maytag says the same thing about the need
> > >to leave dishes dirty.
> >
> > If the dishwasher detergent doesn't have material to act upon, it
will
> > cause 'etching' of glasses and other material. Always *scrape*
large
> > food particles into the garbage or food waste disposal but don't
> > *rinse* them under a tap.
> >
> > Dan O.
> ==
> So we should not use the "Rinse and Hold" feature, either? I don't
use it
> often
> but have on occasion.
> ==
> > -
> > Appliance411.com
> > http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=+dishwashers
> >
> > =Ð~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
>
>

in article , Java Man
(Espressopithecus) at wrote on 12/22/03 8:33 AM:

> In article >,
> says...

>> As far as the food particle basket, in 8 years, we may have had to empty it
>> once or twice, but on a whole, it stays clean. Now we do a brief rinse of
>> the plates before we put them in the dishwasher, nothing major, just to
>> knock off the big chunks.
>>
> Note that the Bosch service people told us NOT to rinse the dishes
> before loading, but only SCRAPE with a spatula. They claim that
> leaving food residue on the dishes helps because without something
> else to work on, the detergent will attack the finish on dishes.
> They claim scraping rather than rinsing prolongs the life of glasses
> and china.
>
> I haven't been doing it long enough to know whether this is true.
>
> Rick

Oh, this is hard to accept.

If you use a spatula only, doesn't the plate get "rinsed" in the first 15
seconds of the dishwasher cycle, and then the detergent is "eating away at
the the finish" from then on?

What kind of dishes have such a delicate finish that dishwasher detergent
will erode them?
--

Thomas A. Bruno, Champaign, Illinois, USA
http://www.tombruno.com

"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> I find the comments about glass etching, etc. strange. I have been
> using dishwashers for about 40 years. I have owned GE, KitchenAid and
> Bosch. I have almost always used Cascade detergent. I have never had
> any glass or china etch. I put most of my pot and pans in too. I do
> not put crystal in the dishwasher. Pyrex no longer makes the painted
> bowls and have not for many years. I believe that when dishwashers
> became prevalent in the kitchen, they realized that their paints would
> not stand up to the detergents and quit using them.
>
> I rinse the dishes before they go in and my husband still thinks that
> they have to be almost washed beforehand. And as I said, no etching.
>
> And as far as wet plastic, it beats the hell out of melted plastic.

I have experienced etching in all my dishwashers. From what I have read, it
is caused by using too much detergent. I have a water softener, and I have
to remember not to fill the cups all the way full.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:19:28 -0500, in a clarity of expression
resembling Cicero, The Cook > wrote:

>I rinse the dishes before they go in and my husband still thinks that
>they have to be almost washed beforehand. And as I said, no etching.

Check your manual: you may not need to do any rinsing at all (beyond a
good scrape of the leftovers into the trash). Our GE's manual says the
only time we need to rinse beforehand is when it's a cereal on
stoneware, everything else will come off.

Frank Lynch
The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at:
http://www.samueljohnson.com/

"Thomas A Bruno" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Java Man
> (Espressopithecus) at wrote on 12/22/03 8:33 AM:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > > They claim scraping rather than rinsing prolongs the life of glasses
> > and china.
> >
> > I haven't been doing it long enough to know whether this is true.
> >
> > Rick
>
> Oh, this is hard to accept.
>
> If you use a spatula only, doesn't the plate get "rinsed" in the first 15
> seconds of the dishwasher cycle, and then the detergent is "eating away at
> the the finish" from then on?
>
> What kind of dishes have such a delicate finish that dishwasher detergent
> will erode them?
> --

I started this etching thread and for me the only glassware items that have
been seriously etched have been the "pyrex" type, thick measuring jugs that
are commonly available in kitchen and hardware stores. They have become
completely frosted so that the measuring lines and numbers are no longer
visible.

Graham

Frank Lynch > wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:19:28 -0500, in a clarity of expression
>resembling Cicero, The Cook > wrote:
>
>>I rinse the dishes before they go in and my husband still thinks that
>>they have to be almost washed beforehand. And as I said, no etching.
>
>Check your manual: you may not need to do any rinsing at all (beyond a
>good scrape of the leftovers into the trash). Our GE's manual says the
>only time we need to rinse beforehand is when it's a cereal on
>stoneware, everything else will come off.
>
>Frank Lynch
>The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at:
>http://www.samueljohnson.com/


Since I have never had any problems with my dishwashers I see no need
to change my system. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

--
Susan N.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> Frank Lynch > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:19:28 -0500, in a clarity of expression
> >resembling Cicero, The Cook > wrote:
> >
> >>I rinse the dishes before they go in and my husband still thinks that
> >>they have to be almost washed beforehand. And as I said, no etching.
> >
> >Check your manual: you may not need to do any rinsing at all (beyond a
> >good scrape of the leftovers into the trash). Our GE's manual says the
> >only time we need to rinse beforehand is when it's a cereal on
> >stoneware, everything else will come off.
> >
> >Frank Lynch
> >The Samuel Johnson Sound Bite Page is at:
> >http://www.samueljohnson.com/
>
>
> Since I have never had any problems with my dishwashers I see no need
> to change my system. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>

You are obviously not a modern-day capitalist/MBA;-)
Graham

There are three types of people in the world: those who can count and those
who can't.


> --
> Susan N.
>
> There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary
and those who do not.