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Can Teflon make you sick?
KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon
www.katu.com Can Teflon make you sick? November 14, 2003 - Teflon, one of the most popular non-stick pan products, can emit fumes that make you sick if it is allowed to get hot enough. According to ABCNews, the makers of Teflon have known about the problems for years. To learn about the health problem, ABCNews went to the kitchen with members of the Environmental Working Group. They say that when a Teflon coated pan reaches 554-degrees, ultra-fine particles start coming off the pan. The particles can imbed in the lungs and lead to "Teflon Flu." The illness causes flu-like symptoms, including headache, backache, and a temperature between 100 and 104 degrees. The hotter a Teflon pan gets, the more chemicals are released and at 680 degrees, six toxic gases can begin to come off of heated Teflon. The Teflon flu is something DuPont has known about for years and with normal cooking, pans don't get hot enough to present a problem. In a test done by ABCNews, a piece of bacon was just beginning to get crisp when a Teflon pan went past the initial danger point of 500 degrees -- the temperature Dupont says is never exceeded under normal cooking conditions at home. The federal government is now conducting an urgent review of the chemical involved in making Teflon for possible long-term harm. ================================================== ======== |
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"dalton" > wrote in message > In a test done by ABCNews, a piece of bacon was just beginning to get > crisp when a Teflon pan went past the initial danger point of 500 > degrees -- the temperature Dupont says is never exceeded under normal > cooking conditions at home. My guess is the methodology is wrong. First off, how often do you fry only one piece of bacon? The more coverage of the pan, the less likely it is to overheat. Bacon is best done in a cast iron pan anyway. Or baked in the oven. They should have turned the heat down, but they just wanted to show a potential problem as this is ratings month. Teflon pans **properly used**, will not reach the 500 degree mark. Yes, I can make a pan reach danger levels, but in my ordinary cooking, it never happens. Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome |
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In article > ,
"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote: > "dalton" > wrote in message > > In a test done by ABCNews, a piece of bacon was just beginning to get > > crisp when a Teflon pan went past the initial danger point of 500 > > degrees -- the temperature Dupont says is never exceeded under normal > > cooking conditions at home. > > My guess is the methodology is wrong. First off, how often do you fry only > one piece of bacon? The more coverage of the pan, the less likely it is to > overheat. Bacon is best done in a cast iron pan anyway. Or baked in the > oven. They should have turned the heat down, but they just wanted to show a > potential problem as this is ratings month. > > Teflon pans **properly used**, will not reach the 500 degree mark. > > Yes, I can make a pan reach danger levels, but in my ordinary cooking, it > never happens. > Ed > > http://pages.cthome.net/edhome > > > The phenomenom is known in the lab and plant as "TFE flu" pronounced as 'teefee flu'. It can also happen when a dry lubricant (Vydax©, TFE Teflon© sprays, etc.) come in contact with a hot surface, or even a lit cigarette (common when non-flammable propellants were used.) Also, on the older Teflon© pans, the solvent for TFE(tetra-flouro-ethylene) coating is methyl methacrylate, or acrylic plastic (Plexiglass©, a Rohm and Haas product name). The pan was sprayed with a solvent based mixture of MM and TFE, the solvent flashed off, and into the paint oven - a convection oven with 1/2 degree control. The MM would melt, the resulting liquid would dissolve the TFE, and the stuff would coat the pan. Methyl Methacrylate is pretty nasty stuff, causing a migraine type headache if the fumes were inhaled. Normally, if the pan is used with a cooking oil, no problem is incurred if the oil is kept below the smoke point, since the temperature of TFE breakdown (sublimation) is above that point. With water type cooking, there is usually no problem at all. Dave Lawson |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote:
> My guess is the methodology is wrong. First off, how often do you fry only > one piece of bacon? Pretty frequently. |
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Would anyone know if the problem is in all nonsticks? There are so many other
brands such as Quantanium, Excaliber, Quantum and Quantum II. I'm just wondering if they all use the same chemicals to make them nonstick, and if the differences between brands is mostly in the substrate preparation, and application. |
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Sheellah wrote:
>Would anyone know if the problem is in all nonsticks? There are so many = other >brands such as Quantanium, Excaliber, Quantum and Quantum II. > They *ALL* have to buy the TEFLON=AE From DuPont. > I'm just >wondering if they all use the same chemicals to make them nonstick, and = if the >differences between brands is mostly in the substrate preparation, and >application. > =20 > You got it. --=20 Sincerly, C=3D=A6-)=A7 H. W. Hans Kuntze, CMC, S.g.K. (_o_) http://www.cmcchef.com , chef<AT>cmcchef.com "Don't cry because it's over, Smile because it Happened" _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/=20 |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message . com... > > "dalton" > wrote in message > > In a test done by ABCNews, a piece of bacon was just beginning to get > > crisp when a Teflon pan went past the initial danger point of 500 > > degrees -- the temperature Dupont says is never exceeded under normal > > cooking conditions at home. > > My guess is the methodology is wrong. First off, how often do you fry only > one piece of bacon? The more coverage of the pan, the less likely it is to > overheat. Bacon is best done in a cast iron pan anyway. Or baked in the > oven. They should have turned the heat down, but they just wanted to show a > potential problem as this is ratings month. > > Teflon pans **properly used**, will not reach the 500 degree mark. > > Yes, I can make a pan reach danger levels, but in my ordinary cooking, it > never happens. > Ed Really? you've never stuck a 'stove top' pan in the oven? I know I have- incl teflon ones. |
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"Marke DB Johnston" > wrote in
: >> >> Teflon pans **properly used**, will not reach the 500 degree mark. >> >> Yes, I can make a pan reach danger levels, but in my ordinary >> cooking, it never happens. >> Ed > > Really? you've never stuck a 'stove top' pan in the oven? > > I know I have- incl teflon ones. > > > Sheesh, unless you are broiling, your oven temperature is almost always well below 500F. For me the only exception is when I am baking pizza. Then I crank the tempreature up to 500 and let the stone heat for an hour or so. What other recipes call for oven temperatures of 500F or higher? Debbie -- Anti-spam advisory: The email address used to post this article is a throw- away address. It will be invalidated and replaced with another if and when it is found by spammers. |
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"dalton" > wrote in message ... > KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon > www.katu.com > > Can Teflon make you sick? > > November 14, 2003 - Teflon, one of the most popular non-stick pan > products, can emit fumes that make you sick if it is allowed to get > hot enough. According to ABCNews, the makers of Teflon have known > about the problems for years. > > To learn about the health problem, ABCNews went to the kitchen with > members of the Environmental Working Group. > > They say that when a Teflon coated pan reaches 554-degrees, ultra-fine > particles start coming off the pan. The particles can imbed in the > lungs and lead to "Teflon Flu." > > The illness causes flu-like symptoms, including headache, backache, > and a temperature between 100 and 104 degrees. > > The hotter a Teflon pan gets, the more chemicals are released and at > 680 degrees, six toxic gases can begin to come off of heated Teflon. > > The Teflon flu is something DuPont has known about for years and with > normal cooking, pans don't get hot enough to present a problem. > > In a test done by ABCNews, a piece of bacon was just beginning to get > crisp when a Teflon pan went past the initial danger point of 500 > degrees -- the temperature Dupont says is never exceeded under normal > cooking conditions at home. > > The federal government is now conducting an urgent review of the > chemical involved in making Teflon for possible long-term harm. > > ================================================== ======== > > As far as I know, nobody has ever gotten sick from teflon "fumes." I think you can go to the media and find examples of studies that show that eating, breathing or drinking anything is unhealthy. Life's too short. Fred Knife Outlet http://www.knifeoutlet.com |
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Blanche Nonken > wrote in message >. ..
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote: > > > My guess is the methodology is wrong. First off, how often do you fry only > > one piece of bacon? > > Pretty frequently. I fried one egg (or 2 sometimes). |
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(dalton) wrote:
>KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon >www.katu.com > >Can Teflon make you sick? > >November 14, 2003 - Teflon, one of the most popular non-stick pan >products, can emit fumes that make you sick if it is allowed to get >hot enough. According to ABCNews, the makers of Teflon have known >about the problems for years. Yeah, and so has just about everyone else except, apparently, for the dipshits at ABCNews. Anything for a "story." Steve Turner Real address contains worldnet instead of spamnet |
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"Amanda" > wrote in message > > I fried one egg (or 2 sometimes). So do I. But the temperature is no where near the 500 mark. Bet yours is not either. Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome |
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"Marke DB Johnston" > wrote in message > > Really? you've never stuck a 'stove top' pan in the oven? > > I know I have- incl teflon ones. I do it all the time. Usually the cast iron or SS pans. But the oven temperature is not 500 degrees. I generally do that at 350, max 400. Well below the "danger point" Even if the oven was 500, it would take some time for the surface of the pan to reach that temperature. Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome |
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<< They *ALL* have to buy the TEFLON=AE From DuPont. >>
I thought that different companies developed their own nonstick solutions, exclusive from Dupont. Companies such as Whitford, which makes Excaliber and Quantum, license their coatings to cookware manufacturers. Their coatings are in competition with Duponts. I was also under the impression Calphalon developed their own propietary nonstick coatings. At least that's what they inferred when I asked them. << That report on ABC last night was enough for the wife and I! We went right out and bought us a new set of Calphalon pots and pans, came back home and got all our old teflon coated pots and pans out of the cabinet and through them right in the trash can. >> Wait! Next month they will do a story of the dangers of anodized cookware, and the chemicals used in the anodizing process ;-(. Even stainless leaches nickel into food. The safest cookware is glass, and vitreous enamel such as Le Creuset. |
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"Sheellah" > wrote in message > The safest cookware is glass, and vitreous enamel such as Le > Creuset. No, Le Creuset is very dangerous. Dateline had a segment about how a lady dropped a pan on her toe and fractured it. She is suing because no one told her that dropping heavy things can break a toe. Her lawyers are fighting to have the release of the movie about it held until the case is settled. Ed |
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>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:56:12 GMT, (dalton) wrote:
>KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon >www.katu.com > >Can Teflon make you sick? > > Probably when used in certain ways. I really don't think if used like most people it will do much harm in the "short" run but as to long term effects that could be another story as I can't say. It is my believe only (based on my knowledge of other things) that teflon will come off in some chemical state if subjected to too much heat or if you recycle the hot/cold temperatures beyond a certain number of times. I don't know how many times but I think that will depend on other things to determine. Now with all this debate I had to replace a teflon fry pan today and I debated whether to go with teflon again. I decided to go with teflon again because I reasoned that based on the way we've used it, it hasn't caused any short term effect. I can't say if the long term is a problem tho. But since I've already used the stuff before I'm not sure stopping the use of a teflon pot for me now will make a big difference in my longevity. Again this is just my believe.... agree or disagree as you please. |
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In article >, dalton wrote:
>KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon >www.katu.com > >Can Teflon make you sick? > >November 14, 2003 - Teflon, one of the most popular non-stick pan >products, can emit fumes that make you sick if it is allowed to get >hot enough. According to ABCNews, the makers of Teflon have known >about the problems for years. > >To learn about the health problem, ABCNews went to the kitchen with >members of the Environmental Working Group. > >They say that when a Teflon coated pan reaches 554-degrees, ultra-fine >particles start coming off the pan. The particles can imbed in the >lungs and lead to "Teflon Flu." > >The illness causes flu-like symptoms, including headache, backache, >and a temperature between 100 and 104 degrees. > >The hotter a Teflon pan gets, the more chemicals are released and at >680 degrees, six toxic gases can begin to come off of heated Teflon. So you need 680 degrees F to begin making anything bad happen? That's not any normal cooking temperature! - Don Klipstein ) |
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In article >, Marke DB Johnston wrote:
> >"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message .com... >> >> "dalton" > wrote in message >> > In a test done by ABCNews, a piece of bacon was just beginning to get >> > crisp when a Teflon pan went past the initial danger point of 500 >> > degrees -- the temperature Dupont says is never exceeded under normal >> > cooking conditions at home. >> >> My guess is the methodology is wrong. First off, how often do you fry >only >> one piece of bacon? The more coverage of the pan, the less likely it is >to >> overheat. Bacon is best done in a cast iron pan anyway. Or baked in the >> oven. They should have turned the heat down, but they just wanted to show >a >> potential problem as this is ratings month. >> >> Teflon pans **properly used**, will not reach the 500 degree mark. >> >> Yes, I can make a pan reach danger levels, but in my ordinary cooking, it >> never happens. >> Ed > >Really? you've never stuck a 'stove top' pan in the oven? Who sticks stove top pans into ovens set to 500 F and hotter, how often and why? How often does anyone bake anything at 500F or more, let alone a stovetop pan? - Don Klipstein ) |
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Teflon can make you terminally sick: the Teflon-sprayed bullets were
used by hitmen to pierce the Kevlar body armor more efficiently. I bet that the those fine Teflon particles imbedded together with your bains all over the wall must be unhealthy. Now, seriously - if you are a smoker, avoid getting a fluorinated lab grease Krytox on your fingers. I heard that the teflon flu actualy works quite nicely if you happen to contaminate your cigarets with the stuff and it gets pyrolysed as you smoke it. In case that your boss is a smoker, it was not me who gave you the idea. |
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"dalton" > wrote in message ... > KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon > www.katu.com > > Can Teflon make you sick? The answer is yes but the rest of the article is BS. Polymer fume fever is well documented. Pyrolysis products hexafluoropropylene and perfluoroisobutylene are main cause and effect is reversible. Birds are particularly susceptible because of their high respiration rate - note that canaries were used to detect gas problems in mines. If you were to burn bacon in an iron pan in the kitchen without exhaust, the fumes could kill your pet bird. One time, DuPont published warnings in pet shops but main problem is to birds outside plants that make Teflon coated fry pans. Teflon is the only houseware product I know of that has FDA food contact approval. DuPont is extremely carefull in what it puts in their coating compositons. Frank |
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" The safest cookware is glass, and vitreous enamel such as Le > Creuset. Back in the early 60's, the Sunday Times of London did a test on Le Creuset and found alarming levels of molybdenum and/or cadmium (if memory serves me correctly) used in the enameling process. Le Creuset changed their process immediately and it is completely safe. However, I would not buy any of the cheap, far eastern knock-offs one sees these days; I don't trust those factories. Graham |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:56:19 GMT, "Frank Logullo"
> wrote: > >"dalton" > wrote in message ... >> KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon >> www.katu.com >> >> Can Teflon make you sick? > >The answer is yes but the rest of the article is BS. Polymer fume fever is >well documented. >Pyrolysis products hexafluoropropylene and perfluoroisobutylene are main >cause and effect is reversible. >Birds are particularly susceptible because of their high respiration rate - >note that canaries were used to detect gas problems in mines. If you were >to burn bacon in an iron pan in the kitchen without exhaust, the fumes could >kill your pet bird. I have certainly seen this often enough in articles that reference birds, but I have to say that I have a lot of Teflon coated pans, my 4 birds are in 2 cages in the kitchen for many, many years. Though I consider myself a decent cook, I have also had my share of cooking "whoopsies," but still never managed to kill any budgies or lovebirds. I think it must have to be extreme to harm the birdies. By the time it gets to the point that the birds are being done in, I think you'd darn near be on the phone calling the fire department or the EMTs. Boron |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message .com>...
> "Amanda" > wrote in message > > > > I fried one egg (or 2 sometimes). > > So do I. But the temperature is no where near the 500 mark. Bet yours is > not either. I hope not. There were a few times when I put the oil (like the way we did back home; don't use butter) and wait till there is a bit of smoke (to make sure that the oil is completely cooked and fry Asian style, i.e had to hear that frying sound), I would do something else and forget till I smell the oil burning. I stopped buying those Teflon thing and got "Calphalon Professional Non-Stick Omelette Pan". It's hard-anodized aluminum thing. If I do forget and leave till the oil burning to the point that I had to trhrow it away, does it damage the coating? Oops..it says on the website (http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Cookwar...ay_~full_specs) that it is oven safe to 4500. It sure does stick when I use very little oil. I was supposed to be able to cook without oil but it sticks too badly and I lose the food. May be I have damaged it. > Ed > > http://pages.cthome.net/edhome |
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Here is a link to a synopsis of the 20/20 show on Teflon.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/..._031114-1.html It says that pans reach harmful levels of heat with this coating in just a few minutes! << DuPont says that fumes are released from the pan when it is overheated, which they say occurs at temperatures that are not reached during normal cooking. As the Environmental Working Group showed 20/20 in a kitchen demonstration, however, a pan can reach that temperature in just a few minutes. >> |
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"Sheellah" > wrote in message ... > Here is a link to a synopsis of the 20/20 show on Teflon. > > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/...n_031114-1.htm l > > It says that pans reach harmful levels of heat with this coating in just a few > minutes! > > << DuPont says that fumes are released from the pan when it is overheated, > which they say occurs at temperatures that are not reached during normal > cooking. > > As the Environmental Working Group showed 20/20 in a kitchen demonstration, > however, a pan can reach that temperature in just a few minutes. >> Thanks for the link. The article is interesting in that it shows some serious effects of Teflon in the production stages. I'm not doubting that one bit. Chemicals can do things like that. The raw state and the finished product are not necessarily of the same volitility or hazard. A birth defect in a person that is handling thousands of pounds of an ingredient is not necessarily going to occur in someone that uses the finished product. We're comparing things like dried paint and wet paint. Latex paint in a can is considered hazardous material, however, the dried paint on your walls is perfectly safe. Sodium hypochlorite is very caustic, will burn your skin, corrode metal parts and kill you if you drink it. All sorts of precautions must be taken when handling it. In proper dilution, we use it to sanitize our kitchens and whiten our clothes. We know it as chlorine bleach. |
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> Oops..it says on the website
> (http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Cookwar...nal_Non_Stick_ II_Omelette_Pans/display_~full_specs) > that it is oven safe to 4500. That's obviously a typo. 4500 degrees would be enough to not only melt the pan, but the stove too. |
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I don't know much about whether teflon will make you sick,
but as for cooking temperatures reaching 500 degrees I ran a little experiment. First, I turned my electric stove burner to high and measured how hot it got how fast with an infrared remote thermometer. The thermometer reads up to 518 degrees F. It hit that within one minute and the burner hadn't reached the red hot state. It didn't reach full red for several minutes. Next, I put a wok with about a tablespoon of oil in it on the red hot burner. The oil began smoking at about 480F - which took about 30 seconds to reach. About 10 seconds after that the thermometer went off scale. My conclusion is that it's pretty easy to exceed 500 degrees on an electric stove. It happens pretty fast, too. Now, it's true that adding food to that hot wok would bring the temperature down, but any hesitation or lack of attention on the cook's part and the surface of the wok will go past 500 degrees pretty easily. Since that's the temperature this thread seems concerned about, and the teflon is bonded to that pan's surface, then if you're concerned about teflon giving off toxic fumes or substances you should never use that teflon coated pan when cooking on high heat with the chance of the pan being essentially empty. In the case of wok cooking it's usual practice to put the empty wok on high heat to heat it up before adding the oil. I'd think it would routinely heat up over 500 degrees using it that way. And yes, we just switched back to a carbon steel wok and tossed the non-stick one :-( It was the only non-stick stove top pan we owned anyway. Everything else is stainless or cast iron. Jim Wagner |
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"Jim Wagner" > wrote in message > > Next, I put a wok with about a tablespoon of oil in it > on the red hot burner. The oil began smoking at about > 480F - which took about 30 seconds to reach. About > 10 seconds after that the thermometer went off scale. > > My conclusion is that it's pretty easy to exceed 500 degrees > on an electric stove. It happens pretty fast, too. Your conclusion is good for woks with a tablespoon of oil. Something that people using them should be aware of. How about repeating the test using a normal frying pan and temperatures used for frying eggs, or hamburgers, etc. Wok cooking, expecially Teflon coated ones are a tiny minority of the real life cooking done every day. > > if you're concerned about teflon giving > off toxic fumes or substances you should never use > that teflon coated pan when cooking on high heat with > the chance of the pan being essentially empty. Sensible. > > And yes, we just switched back to a carbon steel wok > and tossed the non-stick one :-( It was the only > non-stick stove top pan we owned anyway. Everything > else is stainless or cast iron. > > Jim Wagner Traditionally, the hand hammered wok is used over very hot coals. The design is efficient and the wok system of cooking means foods should be moved to certain areas as they are cooked to reduce the heat. Seems to me a Teflon wok defeats the purpose of doing so. You will be a happier cook now. Ed |
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"Don Klipstein" > wrote:
> Who sticks stove top pans into ovens set to 500 F and hotter, how often > and why? I broil food in stovetop pans all the time. Most oven pans have very low walls and therefore can't be used if you are broiling with sauce or oil. Stovetop pans are also much easier to clean if the aluminum foil leaks. -Mike |
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(Don Klipstein) wrote: >In article >, dalton wrote: >>KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon >>www.katu.com >> >>Can Teflon make you sick? >> >>November 14, 2003 - Teflon, one of the most popular non-stick pan >>products, can emit fumes that make you sick if it is allowed to get >>hot enough. According to ABCNews, the makers of Teflon have known >>about the problems for years. >> >>To learn about the health problem, ABCNews went to the kitchen with >>members of the Environmental Working Group. >> >>They say that when a Teflon coated pan reaches 554-degrees, ultra-fine >>particles start coming off the pan. The particles can imbed in the >>lungs and lead to "Teflon Flu." >> >>The illness causes flu-like symptoms, including headache, backache, >>and a temperature between 100 and 104 degrees. >> >>The hotter a Teflon pan gets, the more chemicals are released and at >>680 degrees, six toxic gases can begin to come off of heated Teflon. > > So you need 680 degrees F to begin making anything bad happen? That's >not any normal cooking temperature! > > - Don Klipstein ) Nobody ever said it was. This happens when, among other things, you let a pot boil dry. |
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On 11/15/2003 10:56 AM, dalton wrote: > Can Teflon make you sick? The EPA is looking into it: http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/pfoa/index.htm -- jmk in NC |
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Bill > wrote in message >. ..
> That report on ABC last night was enough for the wife and I! We went > right out and bought us a new set of Calphalon pots and pans, came > back home and got all our old teflon coated pots and pans out of the > cabinet and through them right in the trash can. > Damn, I wonder if the ABC Executives own stock in Calphalon? Calphalon uses PTFE which is the about same substance as Teflon. Safe cookware would include ceramic, stainless steel, and titanium. -- Ron |
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"Frank Logullo" > wrote in message >...
> Birds are particularly susceptible because of their high respiration rate - > note that canaries were used to detect gas problems in mines. If you were > to burn bacon in an iron pan in the kitchen without exhaust, the fumes could > kill your pet bird. Parrots have a lower metabolism than other more active birds but are still susceptible. It may be matter of blood volume being lower or the difference in breathing mechanism. -- Ron |
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"Ron Peterson" > wrote in message om...
> "Frank Logullo" > wrote in message >... > > > > Birds are particularly susceptible because of their high respiration rate - > > note that canaries were used to detect gas problems in mines. If you were > > to burn bacon in an iron pan in the kitchen without exhaust, the fumes could > > kill your pet bird. > > Parrots have a lower metabolism than other more active birds but are > still susceptible. It may be matter of blood volume being lower or the > difference in breathing mechanism. Yes, birds have respitory systems that are very, very different than humans. Inhaled toxins are spread almost instantly throughout their bodies. The old cliche about canaries in coal mines is not just a myth. Rick |
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"Ron Peterson" > wrote in message om... > "Frank Logullo" > wrote in message >... > > > > Birds are particularly susceptible because of their high respiration rate - > > note that canaries were used to detect gas problems in mines. If you were > > to burn bacon in an iron pan in the kitchen without exhaust, the fumes could > > kill your pet bird. > > Parrots have a lower metabolism than other more active birds but are > still susceptible. This parrot is dead; it has ceased to be; it's a stiff; it's bereft of life; it has left this mortal coil; it has gone to meet its maker; if you hadn't sold me that teflon coated cookware, it wouldn't be pushing up the daisies! Monty ;-) |
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Can Teflon make you sick?
Dupont has recognized the hazards of teflon cooking pans publicly.
The Texas Zoo lost 18 large birds to an overheated teflon pan. "Fred" > wrote in message et... > > "dalton" > wrote in message > ... > > KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon > > www.katu.com > > > > Can Teflon make you sick? > > > > November 14, 2003 - Teflon, one of the most popular non-stick pan > > products, can emit fumes that make you sick if it is allowed to get > > hot enough. According to ABCNews, the makers of Teflon have known > > about the problems for years. > > > > To learn about the health problem, ABCNews went to the kitchen with > > members of the Environmental Working Group. > > > > They say that when a Teflon coated pan reaches 554-degrees, ultra-fine > > particles start coming off the pan. The particles can imbed in the > > lungs and lead to "Teflon Flu." > > > > The illness causes flu-like symptoms, including headache, backache, > > and a temperature between 100 and 104 degrees. > > > > The hotter a Teflon pan gets, the more chemicals are released and at > > 680 degrees, six toxic gases can begin to come off of heated Teflon. > > > > The Teflon flu is something DuPont has known about for years and with > > normal cooking, pans don't get hot enough to present a problem. > > > > In a test done by ABCNews, a piece of bacon was just beginning to get > > crisp when a Teflon pan went past the initial danger point of 500 > > degrees -- the temperature Dupont says is never exceeded under normal > > cooking conditions at home. > > > > The federal government is now conducting an urgent review of the > > chemical involved in making Teflon for possible long-term harm. > > > > ================================================== ======== > > > > > > As far as I know, nobody has ever gotten sick from teflon "fumes." I think > you can go to the media and find examples of studies that show that eating, > breathing or drinking anything is unhealthy. Life's too short. > > Fred > Knife Outlet > http://www.knifeoutlet.com > > |
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Can Teflon make you sick?
> Can Teflon make you sick?
Sure it can! See how you feel after a Teflon-coated bullet rips through your ribcage... ;^] -- _o Kristofer Dale, _ \<,_ ragged individualist, _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large... p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org |
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