http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06...ter_than_wine/

--> At the Institute of Food Technologists annual meeting on
--> Tuesday, Professor Charles Bamforth said: "Beer, if you
--> looked at it holistically, is healthier than wine. But it is
--> not perceived that way."
-->
--> He cited the soluble fibre, vitamin B12, folic acid, niacin
--> and antioxidants present in The Drink That Built An Empire.
--> He said the hard liquor component of beer has the same magic
--> artery-unblocking prowess as in wine, too.
-->
--> Bamforth conducted a study of 325 visitors to breweries in
--> the States. When asked which is the healthiest alcoholic
--> beverage, naïve tipplers put red and white wine at the top
--> of the list. Then came something called light beer
--> (apparently popular in the New World), then normal lager,
--> and finally dark beer.
-->
--> A paltry 39 per cent of those polled were aware of the
--> miraculous nutritional fortitude of the glorious loopy
--> juice.
-->
--> Even more chillingly, Bamforth says the custodians of our
--> health are among those peddling misinformation about beer.
--> He said: "I have a friend who is a doctor who says, 'don't
--> drink beer because it has fat'. There's no fat in it at
--> all."
-->
--> Bamforth is Anheuser-Busch endowed Professor of Brewing
--> Science at the University of California. Funnily enough,
--> Anheuser-Busch is responsible for rubbish rice-based brew
--> Budweiser.

--
Vielen Dank

Adam Funk wrote:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06...ter_than_wine/
>
> --> At the Institute of Food Technologists annual meeting on
> --> Tuesday, Professor Charles Bamforth said: "Beer, if you
> --> looked at it holistically, is healthier than wine. But it is
> --> not perceived that way."

Wine has flavonoids which prevent macular degeneration.
Beer doesn't.
Macular degeneration is bad.

> --> Even more chillingly, Bamforth says the custodians of our
> --> health are among those peddling misinformation about beer.
> --> He said: "I have a friend who is a doctor who says, 'don't
> --> drink beer because it has fat'. There's no fat in it at
> --> all."

There's no cancer in cigarettes either.

--
pete

I guess I can expect to live forever ...
I like both wine and beer! :-)

pete wrote:
> Adam Funk wrote:
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06...ter_than_wine/
> >
> > --> At the Institute of Food Technologists annual meeting on
> > --> Tuesday, Professor Charles Bamforth said: "Beer, if you
> > --> looked at it holistically, is healthier than wine. But it is
> > --> not perceived that way."
>
> Wine has flavonoids which prevent macular degeneration.
> Beer doesn't.
> Macular degeneration is bad.
>
> > --> Even more chillingly, Bamforth says the custodians of our
> > --> health are among those peddling misinformation about beer.
> > --> He said: "I have a friend who is a doctor who says, 'don't
> > --> drink beer because it has fat'. There's no fat in it at
> > --> all."
>
> There's no cancer in cigarettes either.
>
> --
> pete

pete wrote:
> Adam Funk wrote:
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06...ter_than_wine/
> >
> > --> At the Institute of Food Technologists annual meeting on
> > --> Tuesday, Professor Charles Bamforth said: "Beer, if you
> > --> looked at it holistically, is healthier than wine. But it is
> > --> not perceived that way."
>
> Wine has flavonoids which prevent macular degeneration.
> Beer doesn't.
> Macular degeneration is bad.
>
> > --> Even more chillingly, Bamforth says the custodians of our
> > --> health are among those peddling misinformation about beer.
> > --> He said: "I have a friend who is a doctor who says, 'don't
> > --> drink beer because it has fat'. There's no fat in it at
> > --> all."
>
> There's no cancer in cigarettes either.
>
> --
> pete

Dark beer has flavonoids. Beer has no fat in it. Drink enough of it and
it can *make* you fat; however, so will wine or even carrot sticks if
taken in large enough amounts. The culprit is CALORIES.

'Nuff said.

Summer Storms wrote:


>
>
> Dark beer has flavonoids. Beer has no fat in it. Drink enough of it and
> it can *make* you fat; however, so will wine or even carrot sticks if
> taken in large enough amounts. The culprit is CALORIES.


IIRC, celery is a dead loss. It take more energy to chew and digest than
it provides in calories.

> 'Nuff said.
>

If you say so.

Matthew

--
You can bet that a week after Daguerre took the first photograph,
vendors were selling feelthy pictures on the streets of Paris.

Thomas A. Horsley on alt.tv.tech.hdtv

pete > wrote:
>Adam Funk wrote:
>> --> At the Institute of Food Technologists annual meeting on
>> --> Tuesday, Professor Charles Bamforth said: "Beer, if you
>> --> looked at it holistically, is healthier than wine. But it is
>> --> not perceived that way."
>
>Wine has flavonoids which prevent macular degeneration.
>Beer doesn't.
>Macular degeneration is bad.

Those are all facts. They say nothing whatsoever about
whether wine or beer is more healthy.

>> --> Even more chillingly, Bamforth says the custodians of our
>> --> health are among those peddling misinformation about beer.
>> --> He said: "I have a friend who is a doctor who says, 'don't
>> --> drink beer because it has fat'. There's no fat in it at
>> --> all."
>
>There's no cancer in cigarettes either.

Wow, you're just the font of illogic, aren't you?
--
Joel Plutchak "Never argue with a fool; people watching might not
plutchak at [...] be able to tell the difference." (author unknown)

Joel wrote:

> pete > wrote:
>
>>Adam Funk wrote:
>>
>>>--> At the Institute of Food Technologists annual meeting on
>>>--> Tuesday, Professor Charles Bamforth said: "Beer, if you
>>>--> looked at it holistically, is healthier than wine. But it is
>>>--> not perceived that way."
>>
>>Wine has flavonoids which prevent macular degeneration.
>>Beer doesn't.
>>Macular degeneration is bad.
>
>
> Those are all facts. They say nothing whatsoever about
> whether wine or beer is more healthy.
>
>
>>>--> Even more chillingly, Bamforth says the custodians of our
>>>--> health are among those peddling misinformation about beer.
>>>--> He said: "I have a friend who is a doctor who says, 'don't
>>>--> drink beer because it has fat'. There's no fat in it at
>>>--> all."
>>
>>There's no cancer in cigarettes either.
>
>
> Wow, you're just the font of illogic, aren't you?

I believe that pete is completely correct on this point. I very much
doubt that the stewards of the cigarette industry would allow any
cancerous tobacco or other cancerous tissues to be present in their very
fine, safe and therapeutic product.

Matthew

--
You can bet that a week after Daguerre took the first photograph,
vendors were selling feelthy pictures on the streets of Paris.

Thomas A. Horsley on alt.tv.tech.hdtv

wrote:
> I guess I can expect to live forever ...
> I like both wine and beer! :-)

They are both inneficient. Wild Turkey (tm) is faster and you wind up
in the same jail.

Will in New Haven

--



>
> pete wrote:
> > Adam Funk wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06...ter_than_wine/
> > >
> > > --> At the Institute of Food Technologists annual meeting on
> > > --> Tuesday, Professor Charles Bamforth said: "Beer, if you
> > > --> looked at it holistically, is healthier than wine. But it is
> > > --> not perceived that way."
> >
> > Wine has flavonoids which prevent macular degeneration.
> > Beer doesn't.
> > Macular degeneration is bad.
> >
> > > --> Even more chillingly, Bamforth says the custodians of our
> > > --> health are among those peddling misinformation about beer.
> > > --> He said: "I have a friend who is a doctor who says, 'don't
> > > --> drink beer because it has fat'. There's no fat in it at
> > > --> all."
> >
> > There's no cancer in cigarettes either.
> >
> > --
> > pete

Joel wrote:

> the font of illogic

That's a good name for the boldface version of
the font of misinformation.

--
pete

"Will in New Haven" > wrote

>> I guess I can expect to live forever ...
>> I like both wine and beer! :-)
>
> They are both inneficient. Wild Turkey (tm) is faster and you wind up
> in the same jail.

Will Bill spill why he's such a dill?

--oTTo--

Will in New Haven wrote:
> wrote:
> > I guess I can expect to live forever ...
> > I like both wine and beer! :-)
>
> They are both inneficient. Wild Turkey (tm) is faster and you wind up
> in the same jail.

But the important thing is the journey,
not the destination.

Although when I want to get "there" fast,
I prefer a little Lagavulin single malt scotch. :-)

cheers,
John

Summer Storms wrote:

> Dark beer has flavonoids. Beer has no fat in it. Drink enough of it and
> it can *make* you fat; however, so will wine or even carrot sticks if
> taken in large enough amounts. The culprit is CALORIES.

Hello Summer, and welcome to the internet. Please check your facts
before posting nonsense to the newsgroup.

--k

kerri9494 wrote:
> Summer Storms wrote:
>
> > Dark beer has flavonoids. Beer has no fat in it. Drink enough of it and
> > it can *make* you fat; however, so will wine or even carrot sticks if
> > taken in large enough amounts. The culprit is CALORIES.
>
> Hello Summer, and welcome to the internet. Please check your facts
> before posting nonsense to the newsgroup.


If ever decide to post nonesense, I'll take your advice.

"kerri9494" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Summer Storms wrote:
>
>> Dark beer has flavonoids. Beer has no fat in it. Drink enough of it and
>> it can *make* you fat; however, so will wine or even carrot sticks if
>> taken in large enough amounts. The culprit is CALORIES.
>
> Hello Summer, and welcome to the internet. Please check your facts
> before posting nonsense to the newsgroup.

<blinks twice.>

Well it would take a _lot_ of carrot sticks to make up for a carton of beer,
but me and my baby buddah beer gut thinks that the facts could be right in
this case.

Dammit I remember when I used to tell other people about body shaping
exercise not need it myself.

wrote:

> Although when I want to get "there" fast,
> I prefer a little XXXXXXXXXX single malt scotch. :-)

Shhh, you're driving the price up!

Adults who are old enough to refer to other adults as "kids",
drink whiskey and smoke cigars.
Kids drink beer and smoke cigarettes.

--
pete

pete a écrit :

>Wine has flavonoids which prevent macular degeneration.
>Beer doesn't.
>
>
Beer does, at least when it contains enough hops or darker malts. Your
usual six-pack of Bud Lite may not be of much help here, but a porter or
an IPA from your local micro may darn well be !

--
Warning : you may encounter French language beyond this point.

- C'est étranche, che ne reconnais plus rien...
- Vous ne m'étonnez pas, ici, vous êtes sur le Mont Blanc ! 4807 m. Et tout ça, c'est de la faute à Gilette !! ... Cette idiote a coincé son canard en celluloïd dans l'écoulement de la baignoire... ça a débordé. Et surtout que le robinet est bloqué...
- MAIS CHLAI PAS FAIT EXPREEEES !
(F'murrr)

Laurent Mousson, Berne, Switzerland

Summer Storms wrote:
> kerri9494 wrote:
>>
> > Hello Summer, and welcome to the internet. Please check your facts
> > before posting nonsense to the newsgroup.
>
> If ever decide to post nonesense, I'll take your advice.

NONSENSE. Who would take that piece of advice, which is clearly the
biggest load of crap I've seen except for that one time the flushing
of my colon went a bit awry? And your reply, like my newly unfurled
sphincter, refuses to stop the flow and instead continues to trickle
out foecal sweat after the fact, leaving a sticky stain on the pants
of the newsgroup. And it's not the sticky stain on the front, which
is the GOOD kind of sticky, so don't think you've contributed a meal
full of delicious protein and benefited anyone. Sicko.

Taking that advice is like taking arsenic, although agreeing to take
it is wonderfully Shakespearian, so don't let me stop you. I may've
meant 'Darwinian', but I will be pimp-spanked if I 'check' my 'facts'
for you.

--
i You no take candle!
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V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_ V_/_

On 30 Jun 2006 03:06:37 -0700, wrote:

>Summer Storms wrote:
>> kerri9494 wrote:
>>>
>> > Hello Summer, and welcome to the internet. Please check your facts
>> > before posting nonsense to the newsgroup.
>>
>> If ever decide to post nonesense, I'll take your advice.
>
>NONSENSE. Who would take that piece of advice, which is clearly the
>biggest load of crap I've seen except for that one time the flushing
>of my colon went a bit awry? And your reply, like my newly unfurled
>sphincter, refuses to stop the flow and instead continues to trickle
>out foecal sweat after the fact, leaving a sticky stain on the pants
>of the newsgroup. And it's not the sticky stain on the front, which
>is the GOOD kind of sticky, so don't think you've contributed a meal
>full of delicious protein and benefited anyone. Sicko.

Yay, Lots42's evil twin has decided to join us!

BW

Cameron wrote:

> <blinks twice.>

Lou Montulli does this better than you.

--k

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:45:49 -0400, barbara wrote:

<Rant snipped>

>Yay, Lots42's evil twin has decided to join us!

I, for one, welcome Lots42's evil twin: especially if he decides to
burn flea markets and has cats named Thelma and Louise.

--
Chris McG.
Harming humanity since 1951.
"What do you expect from a bunch of kiwi smoking sheep herders?" --
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pete wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > Although when I want to get "there" fast,
> > I prefer a little XXXXXXXXXX single malt scotch. :-)
>
> Shhh, you're driving the price up!
>
> Adults who are old enough to refer to other adults as "kids",
> drink whiskey and smoke cigars.
> Kids drink beer and smoke cigarettes.


Nah... kids drink Budweiser and smoke cigarettes. Real adults drink
real beer and leave the smoking to others. ;-)

Summer Storms wrote:
> pete wrote:
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Although when I want to get "there" fast,
> > > I prefer a little XXXXXXXXXX single malt scotch. :-)
> >
> > Shhh, you're driving the price up!
> >
> > Adults who are old enough to refer to other adults as "kids",
> > drink whiskey and smoke cigars.
> > Kids drink beer and smoke cigarettes.
>
>
> Nah... kids drink Budweiser and smoke cigarettes. Real adults drink
> real beer and leave the smoking to others. ;-)

This adult drinks bourbon (Wild Turkey by choice) and smokes dope.

Will in New Haven

Will in New Haven wrote:
> Summer Storms wrote:
> > pete wrote:
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Although when I want to get "there" fast,
> > > > I prefer a little XXXXXXXXXX single malt scotch. :-)
> > >
> > > Shhh, you're driving the price up!
> > >
> > > Adults who are old enough to refer to other adults as "kids",
> > > drink whiskey and smoke cigars.
> > > Kids drink beer and smoke cigarettes.
> >
> >
> > Nah... kids drink Budweiser and smoke cigarettes. Real adults drink
> > real beer and leave the smoking to others. ;-)
>
> This adult drinks bourbon (Wild Turkey by choice) and smokes dope.

I prefer Maker's Mark, and only smoke dope on occasion....

Summer Storms wrote:

> Will in New Haven wrote:
>
>>Summer Storms wrote:
>>
>>>pete wrote:
>>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Although when I want to get "there" fast,
>>>>>I prefer a little XXXXXXXXXX single malt scotch. :-)
>>>>
>>>>Shhh, you're driving the price up!
>>>>
>>>>Adults who are old enough to refer to other adults as "kids",
>>>>drink whiskey and smoke cigars.
>>>>Kids drink beer and smoke cigarettes.
>>>
>>>
>>>Nah... kids drink Budweiser and smoke cigarettes. Real adults drink
>>>real beer and leave the smoking to others. ;-)
>>
>>This adult drinks bourbon (Wild Turkey by choice) and smokes dope.
>
>
> I prefer Maker's Mark, and only smoke dope on occasion....
>


In actuality "Real Adults" drink beer and eat Hufu. But that's another
story.

Although it does lead to the next obvious question: What beer goes best
with Hufu?

soluble fibre? Nonsense.






"Adam Funk" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06...ter_than_wine/
>
> --> At the Institute of Food Technologists annual meeting on
> --> Tuesday, Professor Charles Bamforth said: "Beer, if you
> --> looked at it holistically, is healthier than wine. But it is
> --> not perceived that way."
> -->
> --> He cited the soluble fibre, vitamin B12, folic acid, niacin
> --> and antioxidants present in The Drink That Built An Empire.
> --> He said the hard liquor component of beer has the same magic
> --> artery-unblocking prowess as in wine, too.
> -->
> --> Bamforth conducted a study of 325 visitors to breweries in
> --> the States. When asked which is the healthiest alcoholic
> --> beverage, naïve tipplers put red and white wine at the top
> --> of the list. Then came something called light beer
> --> (apparently popular in the New World), then normal lager,
> --> and finally dark beer.
> -->
> --> A paltry 39 per cent of those polled were aware of the
> --> miraculous nutritional fortitude of the glorious loopy
> --> juice.
> -->
> --> Even more chillingly, Bamforth says the custodians of our
> --> health are among those peddling misinformation about beer.
> --> He said: "I have a friend who is a doctor who says, 'don't
> --> drink beer because it has fat'. There's no fat in it at
> --> all."
> -->
> --> Bamforth is Anheuser-Busch endowed Professor of Brewing
> --> Science at the University of California. Funnily enough,
> --> Anheuser-Busch is responsible for rubbish rice-based brew
> --> Budweiser.
>
> --
> Vielen Dank

pete wrote:
> Adam Funk wrote:
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06...ter_than_wine/
>>
>> --> At the Institute of Food Technologists annual meeting on
>> --> Tuesday, Professor Charles Bamforth said: "Beer, if you
>> --> looked at it holistically, is healthier than wine. But it is
>> --> not perceived that way."
>
> Wine has flavonoids which prevent macular degeneration.
> Beer doesn't.
> Macular degeneration is bad.

I drink 7-35 drinks per week because it lowers my chance of heart
disease by 75%, then have 4 large coffees every day to lower the risk of
cirrhosis of the liver by 80%.

To me, it's no worse than people who take one medication for a problem,
then 3 other medications to take care of the side effects of the first one.

On 2006-07-02, Polarhound > wrote:

> I drink 7-35 drinks per week because it lowers my chance of heart
> disease by 75%, then have 4 large coffees every day to lower the
> risk of cirrhosis of the liver by 80%.

Is it the caffeine, or something else in coffee, that has that
benefit?


> To me, it's no worse than people who take one medication for a
> problem, then 3 other medications to take care of the side effects
> of the first one.

True.

--
Vielen Dank

"Adam Funk" > wrote

>> I drink 7-35 drinks per week because it lowers my chance of heart
>> disease by 75%, then have 4 large coffees every day to lower the
>> risk of cirrhosis of the liver by 80%.
>
> Is it the caffeine, or something else in coffee, that has that
> benefit?

Probably anti-oxydents and flavoroils. My health care provider
(doctor-like person) was concerned because I was on a potential
liver damaging drug while reporting 2 drinks day -- I knew should
would double the dose I reported, so I divided it by four --
and I passed my liver function test with flying colors.

>> To me, it's no worse than people who take one medication for a
>> problem, then 3 other medications to take care of the side effects
>> of the first one.
>
> True.

I also recommend lecithin, milk thistle, and eggs. I'd recommend
liver if it didn't taste like liver.

--oTTo--

On 2006-07-05, Otto Bahn > wrote:

>> Is it the caffeine, or something else in coffee, that has that
>> benefit?
>
> Probably anti-oxydents and flavoroils.

Just wondering whether some of it can be decaf or half-caf.

> My health care provider (doctor-like person) was concerned because I
> was on a potential liver damaging drug while reporting 2 drinks day
> -- I knew should would double the dose I reported, so I divided it
> by four --

I didn't quite parse that last bit...

> and I passed my liver function test with flying colors.

....but congratulations, and best wishes for your liver in the future.


> I also recommend lecithin, milk thistle, and eggs. I'd recommend
> liver if it didn't taste like liver.

and if it weren't full of drugs.

Lecithin? Are we going to troll up the man-boob topic again?

--
Vielen Dank

"Adam Funk" > wrote

>>> Is it the caffeine, or something else in coffee, that has that
>>> benefit?
>>
>> Probably anti-oxydents and flavoroils.
>
> Just wondering whether some of it can be decaf or half-caf.

The process that removes the caffeine could well remove some other
chemicals, but I'd be surprised if it got all or most of the good
stuff. I'd expect freeze dried coffee to have less because most
industrial processes generally degrade nutrients, tomatos and
lycopene notwithstanding.

>> My health care provider (doctor-like person) was concerned because I
>> was on a potential liver damaging drug while reporting 2 drinks day
>> -- I knew should would double the dose I reported, so I divided it
>> by four --
>
> I didn't quite parse that last bit...

My speelchekker has noticed most of my lysdexia lately, but "should
would" should have been "she would". Doctors typically double the
amount of alcohol consumption reported -- if you say two beers a day,
they assume you have four. Therefore I joke that I divide by four,
though I more or less tell the truth depending on how I percieve my
self interest.

Kroger and Food Lion know about half of what I drink.

>> and I passed my liver function test with flying colors.
>
> ...but congratulations, and best wishes for your liver in the future.
>
>
>> I also recommend lecithin, milk thistle, and eggs. I'd recommend
>> liver if it didn't taste like liver.
>
> and if it weren't full of drugs.
>
> Lecithin? Are we going to troll up the man-boob topic again?

I didn't realize lecithin had any connective tissue to man-boobs.
It is an essential liver nutrient that helps it detox stuff, sorta
like whatever is in coffee. The eggs are for choline. I got lucky
on the coffee thang. I have wine with dinner, and beer for dessert.

--oTTo--

On 2006-07-05, Otto Bahn > wrote:

> I'd expect freeze dried coffee to have less because most industrial
> processes generally degrade nutrients, tomatos and lycopene
> notwithstanding.

How do freeze-dried tomatoes compare to sun-dried ones,
gastronomically speaking?

> Doctors typically double the amount of alcohol consumption reported
> -- if you say two beers a day, they assume you have four.

After I threw a parse error at you, I thought you might have been
alluding to that.


>> Lecithin? Are we going to troll up the man-boob topic again?
>
> I didn't realize lecithin had any connective tissue to man-boobs.
> It is an essential liver nutrient that helps it detox stuff, sorta
> like whatever is in coffee. The eggs are for choline. I got lucky
> on the coffee thang. I have wine with dinner, and beer for dessert.

I was thinking of soya lecithin. (Personally, I think the soya /
man-boobs connection is tenuous.)

Mmm, dessert.

--
Vielen Dank

"Adam Funk" > wrote in message
...
> On 2006-07-05, Otto Bahn > wrote:
>
>> I'd expect freeze dried coffee to have less because most industrial
>> processes generally degrade nutrients, tomatos and lycopene
>> notwithstanding.
>
> How do freeze-dried tomatoes compare to sun-dried ones,
> gastronomically speaking?
>
>> Doctors typically double the amount of alcohol consumption reported
>> -- if you say two beers a day, they assume you have four.
>
> After I threw a parse error at you, I thought you might have been
> alluding to that.
>
>
>>> Lecithin? Are we going to troll up the man-boob topic again?
>>
>> I didn't realize lecithin had any connective tissue to man-boobs.
>> It is an essential liver nutrient that helps it detox stuff, sorta
>> like whatever is in coffee. The eggs are for choline. I got lucky
>> on the coffee thang. I have wine with dinner, and beer for dessert.
>
> I was thinking of soya lecithin. (Personally, I think the soya /
> man-boobs connection is tenuous.)
>

Soya contains a vegetable form of estroegen - that's why it's
recommended to women going through menopause. Like
beer, it *can* cause "man-boobs".


--
Jette Goldie

http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
("reply to" is spamblocked)

"Jette Goldie" > wrote

>>>> Lecithin? Are we going to troll up the man-boob topic again?
>>>
>>> I didn't realize lecithin had any connective tissue to man-boobs.
>>> It is an essential liver nutrient that helps it detox stuff, sorta
>>> like whatever is in coffee. The eggs are for choline. I got lucky
>>> on the coffee thang. I have wine with dinner, and beer for dessert.
>>
>> I was thinking of soya lecithin. (Personally, I think the soya /
>> man-boobs connection is tenuous.)
>>
> Soya contains a vegetable form of estroegen - that's why it's
> recommended to women going through menopause.

Please post how much soy isoflavonoids are present in a typical
1200 mg soya lecithin capsule right he ________.

Soy oil is also devoid of them, but if you're egregiously paranoid
about your masculinity, you can find non-soy sources (expensive)
or eat eggs every day. And even if trace amounts are present,
the amount of soy product you are eating is miniscule.

--oTTo--